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		<title>By: optimus</title>
		<link>http://feltbot.com/2010/02/04/star-rising-mavericks-110-warriors-101/#comment-720</link>
		<dc:creator>optimus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 18:34:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What did Fitz quote from Feltbot.  I missed that</description>
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		<title>By: Nivrag</title>
		<link>http://feltbot.com/2010/02/04/star-rising-mavericks-110-warriors-101/#comment-719</link>
		<dc:creator>Nivrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feltbot,

When I subscribed to this blog, does that give you my email? I have a piece that might be of interest. If so and you&#039;re interested, send a note? I think I&#039;ve established I&#039;m safe. 

If not on either case, no sweat, just ignore.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feltbot,</p>
<p>When I subscribed to this blog, does that give you my email? I have a piece that might be of interest. If so and you&#8217;re interested, send a note? I think I&#8217;ve established I&#8217;m safe. </p>
<p>If not on either case, no sweat, just ignore.</p>
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		<title>By: feltbot</title>
		<link>http://feltbot.com/2010/02/04/star-rising-mavericks-110-warriors-101/#comment-718</link>
		<dc:creator>feltbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 02:01:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has Nelson split his kingdom?

I also feel bad for morrow. As much as I like curry, this is a shameless act of promotionalism from stern, and a slap in the face to knowledgeable fans.  Curry doesn&#039;t deserve it yet.</description>
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<p>I also feel bad for morrow. As much as I like curry, this is a shameless act of promotionalism from stern, and a slap in the face to knowledgeable fans.  Curry doesn&#8217;t deserve it yet.</p>
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		<title>By: Nivrag</title>
		<link>http://feltbot.com/2010/02/04/star-rising-mavericks-110-warriors-101/#comment-717</link>
		<dc:creator>Nivrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Feb 2010 00:31:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We could look at the Warriors purely from the point of view of pathology -- physical, psychological, social, entrepreneurial, you name it we got it -- as many now are doing and have been doing for some time. I have no argument against that: pathology can be entertaining. But thinking in pathological terms breeds pathology, as we have seen elsewhere. Also it doesn&#039;t give us much reason to actually watch the games themselves. Most, I&#039;m just not up to it now.


Northrop Frye, on tragedy:

&quot;Tragedy in the central or high mimetic sense, the fiction of the fall of a leader (he has to fall because that is the only way in which a leader can be isolated from his society), mingles the heroic with the ironic. In elegiac romance the hero&#039;s mortality is primarily a natural fact, the sign of his humanity; in high mimetic tragedy it is also a social and moral fact. The tragic hero has to be of a properly heroic size, but his fall is involved both with a sense of his relation to society and with a sense of the supremacy of natural law, both of which are ironic in reference.&quot;

So I&#039;d say that the Warriors&#039; situation is tragic at least in the elegiac sense, to an extent in the high mimetic.

Nelson = King Lear

My most sincere apologies to all who want them for the above. The last few weeks of play have worn me thin.

Curry got into the 3 point contest over Morrow. What a snub to Morrow. This is a spotlight he&#039;s earned and I heard he&#039;s been practicing 3&#039;s like crazy the last week.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We could look at the Warriors purely from the point of view of pathology &#8212; physical, psychological, social, entrepreneurial, you name it we got it &#8212; as many now are doing and have been doing for some time. I have no argument against that: pathology can be entertaining. But thinking in pathological terms breeds pathology, as we have seen elsewhere. Also it doesn&#8217;t give us much reason to actually watch the games themselves. Most, I&#8217;m just not up to it now.</p>
<p>Northrop Frye, on tragedy:</p>
<p>&#8220;Tragedy in the central or high mimetic sense, the fiction of the fall of a leader (he has to fall because that is the only way in which a leader can be isolated from his society), mingles the heroic with the ironic. In elegiac romance the hero&#8217;s mortality is primarily a natural fact, the sign of his humanity; in high mimetic tragedy it is also a social and moral fact. The tragic hero has to be of a properly heroic size, but his fall is involved both with a sense of his relation to society and with a sense of the supremacy of natural law, both of which are ironic in reference.&#8221;</p>
<p>So I&#8217;d say that the Warriors&#8217; situation is tragic at least in the elegiac sense, to an extent in the high mimetic.</p>
<p>Nelson = King Lear</p>
<p>My most sincere apologies to all who want them for the above. The last few weeks of play have worn me thin.</p>
<p>Curry got into the 3 point contest over Morrow. What a snub to Morrow. This is a spotlight he&#8217;s earned and I heard he&#8217;s been practicing 3&#8242;s like crazy the last week.</p>
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		<title>By: feltbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>feltbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:40:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>OK, you got me, on the tragic scale, this Warriors season ranks below Aeschylus :&gt;</description>
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		<title>By: moto</title>
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		<dc:creator>moto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 23:10:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sir feltbot, i appreciate your thoughtful response. one reason i had hopes for azubuike when he was first promoted to the nba was his family responsibilities due to his father&#039;s imprisonment for fraud.  i think the father is out of prison now, and the worst of that is behind the family thanks to azubuike&#039;s nba success.  now he simply has to face the realities of whether he has the musculoskeletal make up to endure the stress and trauma of the nba life, as do his injured teammates and indeed all the players.   all of them got to taste at least some of the dream that billions wish for and never come close.  it&#039;s why i appreciate citizens like foyle and mutumbo, who never lost touch of how most of their fellow beings live.

my old school education taught me that tragedy in the classic sense means a fall from greatness;  all humans are flawed, but only one of great (or in the modern egalitarian context, potentially great) status or worth could be said to have a &#039;tragic flaw.&#039;  nelson of course fits the classic model the best, with the classic tragic flaw of hubris.  i doubt he indulges much in self-pity though, because he knew what he could be dealt when he engineered his fat contract extension.  the media has exploited his &#039;tragic fall&#039; to the fullest, playing the equivalent role of the eumenides.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sir feltbot, i appreciate your thoughtful response. one reason i had hopes for azubuike when he was first promoted to the nba was his family responsibilities due to his father&#8217;s imprisonment for fraud.  i think the father is out of prison now, and the worst of that is behind the family thanks to azubuike&#8217;s nba success.  now he simply has to face the realities of whether he has the musculoskeletal make up to endure the stress and trauma of the nba life, as do his injured teammates and indeed all the players.   all of them got to taste at least some of the dream that billions wish for and never come close.  it&#8217;s why i appreciate citizens like foyle and mutumbo, who never lost touch of how most of their fellow beings live.</p>
<p>my old school education taught me that tragedy in the classic sense means a fall from greatness;  all humans are flawed, but only one of great (or in the modern egalitarian context, potentially great) status or worth could be said to have a &#8216;tragic flaw.&#8217;  nelson of course fits the classic model the best, with the classic tragic flaw of hubris.  i doubt he indulges much in self-pity though, because he knew what he could be dealt when he engineered his fat contract extension.  the media has exploited his &#8216;tragic fall&#8217; to the fullest, playing the equivalent role of the eumenides.</p>
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		<title>By: feltbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>feltbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:35:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Moto - literary criticism is always welcome, particularly from you.  

Tragic is of course a bit of hyperbole, but I take exception to characterizing it as hype. Contrary to the paranoid delusions of many, I have no interest in defending Cohan and Rowell, and feel no reason to hype this team. I am as optimistic of the talent of this team&#039;s full roster as I was before the season.  (Why should the team&#039;s injury woes change that?  If anything, seeing the development of Monta and Curry has made me &lt;strong&gt;more&lt;/strong&gt; optimistic.) It may seem ridiculous to you that I have an objective judgement of the full and healthy roster that runs counter to the teams&#039; current record.  But my objective judgement, not hype, is what I am expressing.

And I think I do have ample justification for using the word &quot;tragic&quot;:  I don&#039;t think players are as accepting of injury as you are.  Kelenna Azubuike was on the verge of becoming a starter, and perhaps a better than average starter.  His injury may wind up costing him quite a bit.  Will he be the same when he returns? The same thing might be said of Brandan Wright. Will Biedrins ever be the same player he was (from what I&#039;ve read about his specific injury, it&#039;s not unlikely he won&#039;t). What about Turiaf, after he gets the knee surgery he needs?  Players want to play, and to achieve, in addition to making money.  I think you underestimate the fear and devastation they go through when they are injured.  

Don Nelson: Will he still be around when this team gets healthy?  If he goes out like this, then I would view that as a somewhat tragic end to a great career.  And yes, I know I&#039;m one of the few who feel this way (cue vomiting sounds), but that doesn&#039;t make my word choice wrong.

And lastly myself: I had great expectations for this season that were tragically dashed.  The consequences to my wallet were tragic too!

Hyperbole with a wink yes, hype no.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Moto &#8211; literary criticism is always welcome, particularly from you.  </p>
<p>Tragic is of course a bit of hyperbole, but I take exception to characterizing it as hype. Contrary to the paranoid delusions of many, I have no interest in defending Cohan and Rowell, and feel no reason to hype this team. I am as optimistic of the talent of this team&#8217;s full roster as I was before the season.  (Why should the team&#8217;s injury woes change that?  If anything, seeing the development of Monta and Curry has made me <strong>more</strong> optimistic.) It may seem ridiculous to you that I have an objective judgement of the full and healthy roster that runs counter to the teams&#8217; current record.  But my objective judgement, not hype, is what I am expressing.</p>
<p>And I think I do have ample justification for using the word &#8220;tragic&#8221;:  I don&#8217;t think players are as accepting of injury as you are.  Kelenna Azubuike was on the verge of becoming a starter, and perhaps a better than average starter.  His injury may wind up costing him quite a bit.  Will he be the same when he returns? The same thing might be said of Brandan Wright. Will Biedrins ever be the same player he was (from what I&#8217;ve read about his specific injury, it&#8217;s not unlikely he won&#8217;t). What about Turiaf, after he gets the knee surgery he needs?  Players want to play, and to achieve, in addition to making money.  I think you underestimate the fear and devastation they go through when they are injured.  </p>
<p>Don Nelson: Will he still be around when this team gets healthy?  If he goes out like this, then I would view that as a somewhat tragic end to a great career.  And yes, I know I&#8217;m one of the few who feel this way (cue vomiting sounds), but that doesn&#8217;t make my word choice wrong.</p>
<p>And lastly myself: I had great expectations for this season that were tragically dashed.  The consequences to my wallet were tragic too!</p>
<p>Hyperbole with a wink yes, hype no.</p>
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		<title>By: moto</title>
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		<dc:creator>moto</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 21:15:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sir feltbot--you used the word &#039;tragic&#039; in describing this season.  did someone die or suffer a devastating disaster (meaning, like hurricane katrina or the haiti temblor, not jackson alienating himself and forcing his trade) ?  if this season ends up the turning point toward the end of the cohan ownership, wouldn&#039;t &#039;magic&#039; be more applicable than &#039;tragic&#039;?

are you referring to the injuries?  all of the players involved are getting very well compensated, there&#039;s no hardship imposed on them or their families.  

perhaps you&#039;ve lost the distinction between poetic license and propagandistic hype, so overused by mega-billion $$ professional spectator sports.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sir feltbot&#8211;you used the word &#8216;tragic&#8217; in describing this season.  did someone die or suffer a devastating disaster (meaning, like hurricane katrina or the haiti temblor, not jackson alienating himself and forcing his trade) ?  if this season ends up the turning point toward the end of the cohan ownership, wouldn&#8217;t &#8216;magic&#8217; be more applicable than &#8216;tragic&#8217;?</p>
<p>are you referring to the injuries?  all of the players involved are getting very well compensated, there&#8217;s no hardship imposed on them or their families.  </p>
<p>perhaps you&#8217;ve lost the distinction between poetic license and propagandistic hype, so overused by mega-billion $$ professional spectator sports.</p>
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		<title>By: Nivrag</title>
		<link>http://feltbot.com/2010/02/04/star-rising-mavericks-110-warriors-101/#comment-712</link>
		<dc:creator>Nivrag</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:51:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Feltbot,

I missed the game, but thanks for another shot in the arm of faith.

I mentioned my concerns about two man offense elsewhere, and when I saw the box score I wondered if Curry (only 6 shots) and overall team play was pushed aside once more.

Curry is tired.

I wonder if it might not be as simple as that. He has been pushing himself hard since last spring, really for the last two years, and maybe it has caught up with him.

We judge so quickly without knowing the facts:

Why does Nelson look so tired and uninvolved?
He has pneumonia.
His back is out.

Why isn&#039;t Mikki Moore hustling more?
He has a bone spur.

Morrow has lost his shooting touch?
He just came back from a family funeral.

Patience plus perspective equal sanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Feltbot,</p>
<p>I missed the game, but thanks for another shot in the arm of faith.</p>
<p>I mentioned my concerns about two man offense elsewhere, and when I saw the box score I wondered if Curry (only 6 shots) and overall team play was pushed aside once more.</p>
<p>Curry is tired.</p>
<p>I wonder if it might not be as simple as that. He has been pushing himself hard since last spring, really for the last two years, and maybe it has caught up with him.</p>
<p>We judge so quickly without knowing the facts:</p>
<p>Why does Nelson look so tired and uninvolved?<br />
He has pneumonia.<br />
His back is out.</p>
<p>Why isn&#8217;t Mikki Moore hustling more?<br />
He has a bone spur.</p>
<p>Morrow has lost his shooting touch?<br />
He just came back from a family funeral.</p>
<p>Patience plus perspective equal sanity.</p>
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		<title>By: feltbot</title>
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		<dc:creator>feltbot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2010 19:47:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That fifth foul call on Monta was shockingly bad.  Another in a series of horrible crunch time calls against him this season.

I am led to wonder whether, as Don Nelson suggests, its a matter of him not getting the star treatment because the Warriors are so terrible, and he is still unknown.

Or perhaps it is because he simply moves too quickly for the refs to fully pick up what is happening, and they haven&#039;t adjusted to his skill level yet. I&#039;m sure the refs don&#039;t like being embarrassed when reviewing the tape.

Whichever it is, I&#039;m looking forward to the day Monta gets some of the same deference from officials that Kobe Bryant gets.  But I&#039;m not holding my breath.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That fifth foul call on Monta was shockingly bad.  Another in a series of horrible crunch time calls against him this season.</p>
<p>I am led to wonder whether, as Don Nelson suggests, its a matter of him not getting the star treatment because the Warriors are so terrible, and he is still unknown.</p>
<p>Or perhaps it is because he simply moves too quickly for the refs to fully pick up what is happening, and they haven&#8217;t adjusted to his skill level yet. I&#8217;m sure the refs don&#8217;t like being embarrassed when reviewing the tape.</p>
<p>Whichever it is, I&#8217;m looking forward to the day Monta gets some of the same deference from officials that Kobe Bryant gets.  But I&#8217;m not holding my breath.</p>
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