Out Paced: Pacers 94 Warriors 91

If you don’t have a size advantage, where can you exploit them?  That’s in the running game. — Jim Barnett

I’ve always been an advocate of the running game.  Particularly when you’ve got this kind of club. — Jim Barnett

Don’t walk it up! — Bob Fitzgerald

Early offense! — Bob Fitzgerald

Jim Barnett has been subtly hinting all season long about the Warriors need to get out and run.  Subtlety went out the window at the start of this game.  Barnett hit it hard.  And in this game, for the first time all season, Bob Fitzgerald kicked in on the chorus. I’m not sure where the Warriors announcers got their talking points for tonight’s game.  Did it come from Joe Lacob or from Mark Jackson himself?  I’m curious, because whomever it came from, Mark Jackson didn’t listen.  The Warriors were facing a great team tonight, the Indiana Pacers, an extremely big team with a dominant half-court defense.  And they let this team out-run them on their own court.                        

The Pacers outscored the Warriors 17-10 in fastbreak points.  This was not due entirely to the 18-12 turnover disparity that favored the Pacers.  The Warriors outscored the Pacers 22-14 on points on turnovers.  What it had to do with is that the Pacers pushed the tempo.  Not just after every turnover and rebound, but also when taking the ball out of bounds.

The kinds of things the Warriors should be doing all game long, but simply aren’t.  Do you realize that the Warriors did not beat the 7-2″ Roy Hibbert down court even one time in this game?

And that disparity in free throws that plagued the Warriors in this game, just as it has plagued them all of this season and last?  Believe me when I tell you that it had less to do with the Pacers size and inside play, than it did with the Warriors being forced to foul to defend the Pacers’ early offense drives to the basket.

Under Keith Smart last year, the Warriors were dead last in the league in free throws attempted.  Under Mark Jackson so far this year, the Warriors are 18th in the league.

Under Don Nelson two years ago, playing with a short-handed midget roster of D-Leaguers, the Warriors were 11th.

It has to do with PACE.

To win basketball games, this Warriors team must do what it was designed by Don Nelson to do.  They must do what the Denver Nuggets are designed to do, and are doing. They must out-run every single team in the league.  After turnovers, after rebounds, run.  And if you can’t get the rebound, run after made baskets.

The Warriors must run from the opening tip. They must run in the fourth quarter. And they must run every single moment in between.

Or they will lose.

Mark Jackson

I’m not all that inclined to diss Jackson after this game.  The Pacers are a great team.  And it was Curry’s first game back, and he was winded and tentative.  And the second unit is pushing the pace a bit.

But it’s not enough.  The Warriors are not pushing the pace enough, and if Jackson doesn’t wake up to that fact soon, it’s going to be another very long season.

He’s also going to have to wake up to the fact that to win basketball games with this roster, he needs to get creative.  Do you happen to remember how Don Nelson guarded David West?  I know, those tapes have all been burned. But we still have our memories, even if Joe Lacob’s staff doesn’t. Don Nelson guarded David West with Andris Biedrins, and used his power forward to guard the center.

Crazy Nellie, right? Except it worked.

I also happened to watch the fantastic Clippers-Timberwolves game tonight, because the Timberwolves are my new favorite team in the league to watch.  Guess what that wily veteran coach Rick Adelman did in this game? He used Darko Milicic to guard Blake Griffin, moving Love over to guard the center Jordan.  The result: Darko 22 points, 7 rbs; Griffin 21 points on 7-17, 10 rbs.

Adelman also played small the final three minutes of the game, with Love at Spread-Five. He played a two point guard backcourt of Ridnour and Rubio. Completely opening the court for the Timberwolves’ offense, which overcame a 7 point deficit to tie the game with less than a minute left.

And with 1.9 seconds left, Adelman designed an absolutely beautiful double-guard screen that got Kevin Love a wide open three to win.

In the post-game interview, Love made a point of congratulating his coach for his brilliant substitutions and play-calling.  Ever seen that before?

That coach is Rick Adelman, the guy that Joe Lacob didn’t even deign to interview. Not a defense-first coach. Not the right guy to coach this team.

I’m just saying.

Monta Ellis:  Of course, all the discussion will be about that last play.  I’m not even sure what the right call should be.  Hill definitely made a kicking motion as the ball contacted his foot, but I think it’s obvious that Monta would have dribbled off his planted foot regardless.  Monta made a careless play.

Or maybe Hill and the Pacers read his mail?  It is his pet game-ending move, isn’t it?  The cross-over, dribble left and pull up from 18?

Maybe Jackson should have called a timeout, gotten his non-shooters Biedrins and McGuire off the floor, and designed a play.

I’m just saying.

Up until that point, Monta’s game was absolutely brilliant.  Particularly in the fourth quarter, when Jackson had the wrong lineup on the floor, and the Warriors had no offense but Monta going one-on-one.

And also on defense, against the 6-8″ Paul George, who has been lighting it up this season.

Monta is a fabulous all-around player.  I absolutely love his game.  One day he’ll get his due.

When he’s on the right team, with the right coach.

David Lee:  The Warriors post-game crew stated that Lee got outplayed by David West in this game.  I think that’s bogus.

Lee simply didn’t have his shot going.  He got away from West with ease, got himself wide-open all game long. He simply missed every jumper and virtually every layup as well.

But that didn’t stop him from working.  He doubled West’s rebound total 14-7.  And I think his team defense was superb, particularly in crunch time, when West went 1-4 with Lee guarding him.

Andris Biedrins:  How many good games did we get out of Biedrins this season?  He’s already weakened, as I predicted he would.

0-1 and 4 rebounds in 24 minutes.

It certainly doesn’t help that he’s playing in the wrong system.  Beans could beat Hibbert down court all game long.  If he were only allowed.

But the best thing to do is to simply get him off the court.

The Ballerina:  My new nickname for Dorell Wright.  I was planning to praise Wright in this game.  He had a beautiful floor game, going against one of the NBA’s premier players, Danny Granger.  And since my rant, he has shown an occasional propensity to drive the lane and take the foul.

But there was that godawful play at 3:20 2nd Q, that brought to mind his nearly identical play at the end of the Lakers game.  Wright drove the lane, but when confronted by Hibbert under the basket, jumped straight up into a 360 piroutte to avoid contact, and turned the ball over.

The ballerina.

The great Jim Barnett: “Go right into him and get to the line!”

The Spread Four:  The Pacers don’t really need one, because both West and Hibbert are scorers that must be guarded.  But they have one anyway, 6-9″ 228 lb. Danny Granger.

The Warriors still have none.  Unless you want to count Dorell Wright, who took an absolutely punishing turn on West in the fourth quarter.  Which led Mark Jackson to bring Biedrins back.

Stephen Curry:  A long way from himself, but still great to see on the court. I have been praying to Buddha regularly about his ankle.

Just to make sure that base is covered too.

The Dominator: People, by which I mean Bob Fitzgerald, need to recognize that Dom is not a small forward. He is playing power forward for the Warriors virtually every minute he’s on the floor.  Even when guarding Melo, he was playing four.  Because that’s what Melo was playing.

8 rbs in 13 minutes.  Mark Jackson, please take note.  There are other options to putting the ghost of Andris Biedrins back in the game in the fourth quarter.

Running options.

Nate Robinson:  Love his energy. He’s just not a thinker. Nor a passer.  In a backup point guard, that will wind up killing you on a lot of nights in the NBA.

Like this night.

The Nightmare: Apart from the 2 rebounds, a signature defensive performance against the Pacers weak second line. (Lou Amundson!)

I really wish his two pick and rolls with Nate had been completed. You know, the  two that Nate threw out of bounds.

Klay Thompson:  The kid can really shoot.

But they play a lot of zone when he’s in, don’t they?

0 rebounds.

Authentic Fan Friday:  Anyone else struck by the name of this promotion? Like, you have to have a ticket to the game to be an authentic fan?

It kind of reminds me of Joe Lacob’s comment that bloggers weren’t true fans, because they weren’t season ticket holders.

Bob Fitzgerald: If every authentic fan had a ticket to the game, why would we need to be blessed by the golden tones of this man?

Come to think of it, why do we need to be blessed by the golden tones of this man? Isn’t that the great Greg Papa I now see gracing the Warriors’ studio broadcast? Anyone else reading something into this? Why would Papa take this job?

One can only hope. I am having serious difficulty keeping the sound turned up on the Warriors games. The only reason I still do is in the hopes of catching a perfect moment like occurred tonight, after Fitz started shrieking about the officials not hearing the shot clock go off.

Jim Barnett: “Hold on. It’s going to be fine.”

One can only hope.

35 Responses to Out Paced: Pacers 94 Warriors 91

  1. thanks again, felt maestro. you surely noticed the break when Wright was the initial handler, kept looking at Ellis indecisively before passing it off, Ellis then getting it to Curry in poor position and the possession completely squandered. and there was that pass to Biedrins headed to the rim, five feet away, but he takes it away from the hoop and attempts a bad pass, turnover. Jackson improving the defense will be irrelevant if they continue to waste possessions and turn it over on offense.

  2. Thanks for your take Feltbot!

    So true, Nellie would have run Hibbert off the court. Or at least tried.

    Someone needs to explain to me how David Lee’s and Monta Ellis’ +/- can be so bad game after game if they’re playing so well???

    Hibbert and West killed us. Lee’s shot was off but it was predictable – West is much better than stat stuffing PFs Ryan Anderson, Jerebko, and Tristan Thompson. Next up? M. Speights/M. Gasol.

    I’d love to have Granger on our side…

    I wish M. Jackson would limit Curry’s minutes – 29 seems too much coming off his long break – 10-20 sounds better at least until he’s in game shape again. Curry seemed winded at times – and that’s when injuries are more likely to occur – when an athlete is tired.

    McGwire and Rush – I’d like them to get a few more significant minutes… Monsters on defense and rebounding – plus Rush is a great spot up shooter, but needs to be set up.

  3. Thanks for the recap Feltbot.

    If Indiana is a great team, so are the Warriors as the game was very very winnable. The half court offense is clearly not smooth. Biedrins man does not really guard AB, just sits in the middle of the key. I question Brandon Rush and McGuires minutes. And how many times do we a Warrior drive and pitch…three feet from the cup instead of shooting the ball. Monta and Steph have been doing this all year. Robinson has it down, he does not pass at the end, its going up. While last night was not good, he has been fun to watch and it is always a hopeful moment when he runs off the bench into the game. Energy on an othewise listless offense.

    Brandon Rush didnt miss a shot but hey, he only took two! It is his former team for god’s sake. Let him play. Also, as you say Mcguire should have been in if not just to have the Warriors run more. I would feel sorry for AB and his sorry play, but I am always reminded by the 9$ mil per year the sunny Latvian makes. Gawd, we could have traded him for Jordan Hill last year. Why oh why… Is AB the worse 5 in the NBA? Who would be close?

    We can only hope our “messianic” and inexperienced coach will eventually have his dim night light switch on…maybe by the end of this month when the Dubs are 7-17 and Lacob stops smiling and chest thumping after the Warriors manage to beat…Sacramento…

  4. WarriorHopeful

    Hibbert had 16 rebounds. Even though the Warriors outrebounded Pacers 45-43. Could it be he didnt have to guard anybody? This is a noticeable pattern, the opposing center dominates the boards. Can Jackson and his alter ego Malone notice this and just remain in denial? Is Chris Hunter available? Anybody 7-footer in Croatia? Yao out of retirement?

    Or maybe just maybe … run and run?

  5. Lots of good points here Felt. I agree with most of them.

    Here’s what I don’t agree with: Lee was physically dominated by David West in this game and has been dominated in the past few games. He gets dominated by nearly 1/2 of the 4s or 5s against which he is paired. His double-digit rebound games like last nights (and the Lakers game, for instance) are the softest, most meaningless stat among almost any player in the League. West was salivating last night every time he got the ball with Lee on him. So, if Lee’s not having a particularly hot shooting night, he’s really hurting you against almost any team. And, as you point out, Biedrins can’t guard most 5s and none have to guard him at all. So, without Kwame (I know, your personal favorite) and with Udoh having a 2d year super-slump season, our front court is a disaster.

    I agree that the first team should run more but, as you point out, the second team runs quite a bit. Without Curry in there, though, I think Jack doesn’t trust Monta’s ball handling/decision-making to fast-break. We’re already getting killed in TO’s playing slower–think how many we’d have going fast? With Curry back, and once his mobility returns, we’ll see the return of the fast break.

    Btw, there was only a short time with both Curry and Thompson on the court together (1st half) but did you see the chemistry between them? Thompson drove the key and dished to Curry on the left extended elbow for an open deuce. Those two have high BBall IQs and know exactly where to look for each other and where to be on the court. They are going to be very good together. I am much higher on Thompson than you are.

    What is your bet on the 49ers? I’m very worried about the Giants D line vs our front line. I’m holding out hope that our coaching staff is so good and so well-prepared that we can overcome what I see as an overall player talent deficit. I really hate Coughlin’s personality and how he handles his players.

    I agree about DWright’s ballerina move. What was he thinking? Super-soft. Rush is a better player.

    Granger plays mostly spread 3, not spread 4, right? They like the unit with Granger, West and Hibbert in there.

  6. The Warriors should be running in order to increase the and percentage of FG they make, and thus increase their scoring.

    The Warriors have fewer possessions this year, in part, because they are committing more turnovers than our opponents,which is a reversal of last year. An indication our opponents are playing better defense this year. This virtually negates our opponents shooting a lower FG% this year.

    The Warriors being killed in FTA’s is related to the players we have. Running would only marginally improve that stat.

    Udoh had a good game last night. In the second quarter, with Udoh on the court, the Pacer went almost five minutes without scoring a basket, and the Warriors took the lead. He had a postive seven rating for the game.

    Jackson played Biedrins at the end of the game because he obviously wanted rebounds, not defense. Dumb.Game over. His decision was especially perplexing since Biedrins had a minus seven rating last night. But, hey such is immaterial to our coach.

    Jackson does not control the distribution of shots on the floor. How he Rush be on the court 20 minutes and only take two shots (he made both) defies explanation.

    The few times the Warriors fastbreak, all to often, we see Rush or D. Wright leading the break and turning the ball over. Please, Mr. Lacob, swallow your pride and bring back Nellie so that we can make the playoffs.Not going to happen.

  7. They will still have to play half court even when they try to run. Not having a center that poses any kind of offensive threat makes doing so harder. Several times in the last games the guards penetrate only finding Biedrins open, who chucks up it, or more often passes it off anywhere or turns the ball over.

    They win last night with a healthy Chris Hunter, an undersized but intelligent center with at least average skills whom Nelson pulled up from the D-league a few years ago. He can and will drive when he gets the ball, hit free throws if he draws a foul, or take a shot from 10 feet in and hit with decent percentage. The gains here outweigh what might given up on defense, though I don’t think there would be any loss at all.

    Isn’t defensive center a contradiction in terms?

  8. Boy, am I sick of that Monta-against-the-universe play.

    A tip for coach J: Curry had just hit three clutch shots to bring the team back into the game.

    Tip #2: Real teams have real plays for end-of-game situations.

    Tip #3: when you’re only going to run one offensive play, you get to fill the floor with offensive players and sit the guy whose free throw shooting percentage is .000000012.

    What ever became of… Charles Jenkins, Earl Barron, and Jeremy Tyler? Charles runs the offense far better than Robinson, screws up less, and plays D besides – better D than Curry too, for that matter. Barron was supposed to be Kwame’s big-body replacement. And just how bad is Jeremy Tyler? Is it even possible for him to play worse than a our starting panicky girlyman?

    OT, you’re right, West pretty much had his way with Lee, but that’s to be expected given West’s size and power. Unfortunately, Mark Jackson’s “no excuses” defensive philosophy seems to mean that double teams and defensive trapping are verboten. A coach more interested in winning than in making philosophical points would have given Lee some help. It’s one of those little things a real coach does for his salary.

    What’s up with Dorell, aka Twirlyman? He seemed more confident last year.

  9. Seriously, where is Chris Hunter? He was in Knick training camp, and I assume waived when the season started. I don’t see em on the injury laden Knick bench anyway. Maybe Franco Finn could drop Hunter’s card on Lacob’s rolledex on Monday. Our 5 position is maddening indeed.

    • Hunter went down to the D-League, Frank, Fort Wayne, and they released him a week or so or ago because of a groin injury. I think he’s been battling injuries since he left us.

  10. Seriously, where is Chris Hunter? He was in Knick training camp, and I assume waived when the season started. I don’t see em on the injury laden Knick bench anyway. Maybe Franco Finn could drop Hunter’s card on Lacob’s rolledex on Monday. Our 5 position is maddening indeed.

    Could it be as simple that Feltbot has seen more Warriors ball than the Pro Celtic Lacob and the East Coast biased Jackson? What on earth is the Logo’s role with team personnel?

  11. Here’s a box score worth studying. We beat New Orleans two years back 131-121. That’s NO with D. West and Okafor in the front court (both Curry and Paul were out with injuries; Collison ran point and did very well). Tolliver started at center, played most of the game–and scored 30 points. Hunter played 28 minutes and scored 17. Hunter and Tolliver combined were 7-7 from the free throw line and pulled down 14 rebounds. I assume they ran all the way, and had plenty of energy for the fourth quarter where they scored 43 points.

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/boxscore;_ylt=AolVRZsdpbzwqFjcMBIFnVukvLYF?gid=2010031709

    Now imagine if they had David Lee instead of Maggette in that game.

    Now imagine if Nelson had coached the game against Indiana the other night.

    Both Tolliver and Hunter were overlooked by all the other teams because they didn’t fit conventional molds of C and PF. It’s hard to believe there aren’t other similar players out there who could give the Warriors a lift. By committing to “defensive” centers and forwards, we’re not only hobbling the offense, but I’m not sure how much we’re gaining on defense.

    • Both were nice finds by Nellie. Tolliver especially is a very handy guy for any team. But Hunter has struggled with injuries throughout his career, and Tolliver is not a starter with Minnesota despite averaging 22 min/game this season with Adelman. Nice players, but not the cure for the Warriors ills.

      I think you put your finger on it with “imagine if Don Nelson…” Instead, we’ve got to watch Mark Jackson’s on-the-job training.

      • My point is that there are probably similar sizable, well rounded (and affordable) players out there with offensive potential who would serve the team well now and in the future–if used correctly. Rush, I suspect, is the only player on the roster who fits that bill now. The team would be better now if they had given Biedrins amnesty and had two such players now. Hard to believe the $7 million for Kwame Brown couldn’t have been better spent. We don’t have a bench that gives many options.

        Can anyone calculate how many points we give up a game with our “defensive centers”? Count the free throws missed or not taken because they do not drive, shots missed, plus the drag they put on the rest of the offense when they’re on the floor. And how much do they add to the defense, anyway?

        Lacob & Co have committed themselves not just to one more player, but one particular type of player–that defensive center. They are rare and don’t come cheap. We couldn’t get one this year, and the odds can’t be great in the next. In fact they have almost put themselves in the position that the ONLY way the team can compete is get Howard–a limiting and self-defeating plan. And they’d have to gut the team to get him.

  12. I don’t believe the Warriors’ problem(s) is Lacob, Mark Jackson, or their style of play. What the Warriors need is one more player…..one more really good player.

    What GSW has now is good enough to surprise teams like the Bulls and Heat on occasion but their frustrating losses to the Bobcats, Nets and Pacers show they still lack the consistency needed to win regardless of the opponent. To do that they need one more really good player.

    How good do the Warriors suddenly become if you could replace Biedrins with Kevin Love, PGasol or DHoward, just to name three? Presto pronto, all those “frustrating losses” turn into wins and the Dubs are on their way. See how easy it is? LOL

    Unfortunately, that one more really good player the Warriors need isn’t likely to appear on the scene anytime soon making the Warriors’ current plight far more maddening than their aforementioned losses. This is a talent issue. The Warriors are more talented than in recent years but still not quite talented enough. “So close yet so far” is the ultimate in frustrations and the name of this tune.

  13. That’s all true enough, Steve, but talent alone doesn’t win. Examples abound, starting with last year’s Miami, Knicks or even Minnesota.

    On any given night, any team can beat any other – for example, the stinky Wizards beat awesome Miami the other night. The winning edge in the NBA is tiny, and the little advantages that give a good team a margin of victory certainly do include talent, sure. But that’s not all there is to it.

    Also, since the league’s salary cap is specifically designed to spread high-priced talent across the league, no team will ever be so talented that it can be sure of a winning record without good coaching, team chemistry and all the other intangibles that give a team an edge.

    There is no perfect roster. A coach has to make the best use of what he has, to exploit whatever advantages his team might have and lessen the impact of its weaknesses. A bad coach will lose with any amount of talent at his disposal. A good coach makes a team perform better than its collection of individual player stats. If he doesn’t accomplish that, he’s average at best.

    Are there some things Jackson could have done against Indiana that would have given the Warriors the win? Certainly. Why didn’t he? I think it’s because he’s a so-so coach right now. It’s not surprising, and he’s not a bad person or a proven incompetent. Lots of things have combined to make his NBA coaching debut double-extra difficult. But Nelson, Adelman, Popovich, or yes, maybe even Phil Jackson would have pocketed that Indiana game long before sticking Monta out there all alone for some last-second heroics. And that last play itself was some damn lame coaching.

  14. Brytex, On the Bridge...

    I’m not jumping…yet. Just pukin’ over the rail after every loss.

    33-33

  15. Steve@13

    Certainly the “one more player” philosophy will eventually get you a better team. Look at how Mark Cuban bought himself a championship, with two of his highest paid guys Butler and Haywood not even contributing. But I happen to think that that championship Mavs team still wouldn’t have happened if they didn’t have a genius coach, who played them in the right (running, spread floor, high pick and create) system. Would the Mavs have won the championship with Phil Jackson coaching them in the triangle and walking the ball up the court? Ugh.

    And is Joe Lacob Mark Cuban? He certainly didn’t look like it this offseason. I think it’s more likely that Monta Ellis or Stephen Curry will be going than another player coming.

    But regardless, what do you do until you get that “one more player”? Do you play in the style you hope to play when that one more player arrives? Or do you play to win with what you have? I think that’s the problem the Warriors are experiencing. And I think what George Karl did with the Nuggets last year was instructive: played one style before the Carmelo trade, and radically differently after.

  16. Why, for example, did the team pass on Markieff Morris, 6′ 10″, 240 lbs., who went 13th in the draft:

    “Nearly 41.2% of Morris’s shots came at the rim, and he converted a terrific 69% (3rd) of them. With roughly 40% of his touches coming from roll man situations, cuts to the basket, and offensive rebounds, Morris’s aggressiveness at the point of attack is just one bright spot for him here.

    “On top of his ability to catch and finish, he also showed marked development with his back to the basket and away from the rim. With some 34% of his possessions coming in the post, Morris scored on 51% (5th) of them. Though he’s not as prolific or versatile as his brother, Morris was able to score one-on-one down low at a fairly consistent level.

    “Anyone who watched Kansas this season knows that Morris emerged as a competent jump shooter. Nearly 20% of his total shot attempts were jumpers, and he hit them at a second ranked 43% rate. Though he was attempted just 1.5 per-game, the development of his scoring range has Markieff a situational versatility moving to the next level that he simply did not have as an underclassman.”

    From DraftExpress.com http://www.draftexpress.com#ixzz1kDaxoqYw
    http://www.draftexpress.com

    But I guess I answered my own question.

  17. rgg: My guess is that the W’s FO thinks Thompson ultimately will fill Ellis’ spot at the 2, and is big for that position and so a good fit next to Curry. Morris is a spread 4. I think the W’s view Lee as their “semi-spread” 4 already. I haven’t seen Morris enough to evaluate him, though his numbers so far look very good.

    I do think Thompson will be a very good player–a starter at the 2–and I think there is real chemistry when he is paired with Curry in the backcourt–two high BBall IQ guys who can hit from anywhere and have good court vision. They seem to have a feel where the other is going on the court. I know my view isn’t shared by many bloggers at this point, including feltbot, but I see a very nice future for Thompson.

  18. Steve,

    Yes, the Warriors need a real big man. They don’t have one with Kwame out. Biedrins and Lee get manhandled inside repeatedly and you can’t win consistently like that. You could win with Lee if a big body like Kwame were available when needed to clear out space around the basket defensively and grab rebounds when the other team has big bigs like Howard, Hibbert, Boozer, etc.

    I attended the Bulls game and you could really see the difference once Kwame came into the game. Boozer was just starting to do his usual Warrior-killing thing–pound the ball in the low block then hit the short turnaround jumper from 7 feet out–when Kwame came in and Boozer was literally bouncing off Kwame. Kwame is huge and tall. You need someone like that for a lot of the matchups in the NBA. The Warriors haven’t had someone like that since–who–Chris Webber (Clifford Ray? Nate Thurmond?)?

  19. Worth reading, Matt Steinmetz’s recent interview of Mark Jackson:

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/warriors-talk/post/Mark-Jackson-still-has-no-doubt-about-Wa?blockID=635946&feedID=5882

    What is striking to me is that both Mark Jackson and Joe Lacob apparently never watched the Warriors under Don Nelson hold the #1 seeded Mavs 10 points below their season scoring average.

    And that they both appear to hold it as gospel that “being an offensive juggernaut” is not only an invalid way to win basketball games, but completely at odds with valuing defense.

    Something that not just We Believe completely disproved, but also Don Nelson’s entire career.

    Not to mention this season’s Miami Heat and Denver Nuggets.

  20. I’m curious whether those who saw David West’s performance tonight against Andrew Bynum and Pau Gasol are still of a mind to call David Lee soft.

  21. “The Growing Importance of Stretching the Four”

    http://hoopspeak.com/2012/01/the-growing-importance-of-stretching-the-four/

    Could someone please forward this article to Joe Lacob?

  22. Feltbot@20,

    As the season has wore on, it is CLEAR both Lacob and Jackson have watch (scouted) the Warriors before they became involved with the team (owning or coaching). They must have been on the East Coast, watching the likes of the Celtics and Knicks respectively.

    Both (Lacob as a venture capitalist, Jackson as a preacher) would seem not t0 like underlings who contradict their own narrative. Jackson has called watching film “false effort”. Lacob is too busy claiming credit for the acqusition of the Celtic’s “Big 3″.

    The upside at this point, is for them to “learn” that the three quality wins (yes, Im still counting the Knicks win as quality) were games a small lineup predominated. The under achieving losses generally occurred when the opponent outran the Dubs. Maybe the light will go on?

    Downside is the Warriors lurch into a losing season and teh 8th worse record, leaving them without a draft pick in a great draft year. In this case, Lacob will blame the season on “defense” and will focus on overpaying an old veteran center (e.g., Garnett, Blache?) to join him at the Oracle. And the transformation will be complete. Daniel Snyder do you hear us?

  23. Felticon,

    I think Lacob wants to win in a certain way. Simply getting wins by any means possible with the talent available doesn’t achieve the larger goal of validating his basketball philosophy. He does want to win, sure, but getting Ws with cheap tricks doesn’t make the statement he wants.

    Under that scenario, even if Lacob thought Nelson was the best coach ever, he was too darn shifty. Shucks, how could you boil Nelson’s approach down to a process list? No potential for a book deal there.

  24. The Warriors are paying $15 million this year for the two headed Beidrins/Brown beast. Lacob clearly will let both of them off the books next year to sign the marquee center. Who’s going to tell him that center doesn’t want to come to GS?

    • even if they buy out Biedrins’ deal, the $$ still count as ‘on the books.’ we can spend hours speculated what they should or could do for the roster but Lacob is following his own muse and counsel, picking and choosing which bits his brain trust throw out resonate with him. he’s also likely to keep shuffling the components of that brain trust.

  25. The Steinmetz interview with Jackson has been linked, right?

    “Jackson: The reality is I’ve got a bunch of guys that have never won that are playing winning basketball that have changed their ways from an offensive juggernaut to defensive principles where we battle, compete and give ourselves a chance. Winning in this league is a process and in that process you’ve got to be extremely patient to see the other side. It gets tough being that salmon swimming upstream. But as long as you’re persistent and don’t quit, you will get to the other side.”

    To which I say why swim upstream? Why not go with the flow? As I recall, salmon are near the end of their journey (their life) once they make it upstream:

    “She will then lay her eggs in this redd and the male adult salmon will fertilize and protect them until both salmon die within a couple of weeks and leave the embryos to fend for themselves.”

    http://www.fishex.com/seafood/salmon/salmon-life-cycles.html

    Which kind of sounds like what the guys are doing. The team is suffering from bad metaphors.

    The Steinmetz link again:

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/warriors-talk/post/Mark-Jackson-still-has-no-doubt-about-Wa?blockID=635946&feedID=5882

  26. man – mjackson taking credit for the boys playin hard…. Guess he never saw the 6 man roster that Nelson used to beat Dallas at Dallas…. I am finding it tough to watch, have taped some games and never watched them….. Hopefully the fast pace returns when Curry is healthy. Nice take on the pace, FB….

    I liked the Tyler interview, thanks for the link, Steve. This begs the question why is he on the team if he only plays 6 minutes in 15 games and now Brown is gone and Biedrins is gone….