Walk This Way: Warriors 85 Hawks 82

Two Warriors games, one a 24 point blowout loss to the Pacers, the other a gritty 3 point win against the Hawks.  Notice anything similar about these two games?

How about the Warriors offensive output?  An average of 81.5 points a game.

Yes, the Warriors are without Stephen Curry.  But you know, in the last game he played in, he got a total of 6 shots. Zero in the second half. So it’s not really about that, is it?

Yes, the Warriors shot miserably from three in the last two games: an amazing 4-34.  But as much as that might look to be the reason for the Warriors low scoring, it’s not.

The Warriors low scoring has been the result of a conscious coaching decision.  To slow the pace, and walk the ball up the court.  The Warriors are literally never looking to run.  Even when, as in this Hawks game, they have the much faster lineup and actually are out-rebounding their opponent.  As for pushing the tempo after a made basket?  Never.  That’s something other teams do.

Mark Jackson took his slow-it-down philosophy a step further in this game, starting a non-shooter in Dominic McGuire at the shooting guard. I’ll have more to say about this below, but for now, let me just point out that the Warriors’ three point drought in the last two games was not simply an Act of God.

It is hard to shoot three point shots when you are playing 3 on 5, and all of your shots are closely guarded.  It is hard to get an open three point shot when you are walking the ball up the court, and your half-court offense is mired in mud.

What happened to the Mark Jackson who stated before the season that the Warriors were going to run?  That is quite clearly not the case any more. Lately Jackson has taken to stating that it is better for the Warriors’ future that they learn to “grind out” close games as opposed to “running away” with games.  I had been finding that statement somewhat cryptic, but I think it’s meaning is becoming clearer with every passing game.

The “culture” is changing.  Running is out.  Even with a team that is built to run, and can only win consistently with running.  From here on out, winning is going to be subservient to playing “the right way.”  The way the Warriors are going to play in the future, when Joe Lacob finally finds his “big deal.”

And trades Monta Ellis.

Welcome to Joe Lacob basketball. The future is now.

Hope you like it.

The Dominator at Two:  The most interesting thing about this Hawks game was of course Jackson’s decision to start Dom at the two.  It worked, right?

No, it didn’t work, and it was an absolutely wretched decision.  The pairing of McGuire with Andris Biedrins to start the game got the Hawks off to a 10-2 start to the game.  At the start of the third quarter, the pairing was -4, and absolutely killed the Warriors momentum coming out of halftime.  -12 for the game.  It is simply too easy to guard a team that has two total non-shooters on the floor, particularly when that team is committed to walking the ball up the court.

Perhaps the failure of the lineup has to do with Andris Biedrins?  No, Biedrins’ production is predictable, and even the eye-gouging 9 minutes he gave tonight are valuable to the Warriors against a monster like Pachulia. To keep Ekpe Udoh from fouling out of the game,  for instance.

No, the failure of the lineup was pre-ordained, and rests with Mark Jackson.

Which is not to say I didn’t love Dom’s effort and impact in this game.  I did love it.  And I’m not saying he shouldn’t have gotten as many minutes as he did.  I’m saying he should never, ever be on the court together with Andris Biedrins.  Which means he should not have started.  And in fact, his minutes at  power forward (his best position) against Josh Smith were by far his most effective for the team as a whole.

Jackson stated post-game that after he decided to start Monta at the one, he stayed up all night thinking about who to start at the two.  He finally settled on Dom, he said, because Dom “deserves” it, exemplifies everything Jackson has been preaching, etc., etc., and that he wanted to reward him.

My guess is he’s talking about defense.  But what about Brandon Rush?  To my eye, he has played exemplary defense this season.  Wasn’t he the natural choice to start against Joe Johnson?  Particularly in a lineup suffering from #OsteitisPubis, err… Andris Biedrins?

And what about Klay Thompson?  Can’t he guard Joe Johnson?

Don’t bother answering that. If it’s not already obvious to you that he can’t, trust Mark Jackson and Mike Malone to tell you.  Not in the press — never that. With their actions.

Monta at the One:  Finally, Jackson made the decision to play Ellis at the point.  Don’t you think this might have been a wise decision against the Pacers as well, with the 6-8″ Paul George at two, and 6-9″ Danny Granger at the three?

Mark Jackson went on one of his patented rants after the Pacers game, telling us that “you can’t gameplan for lack of effort, you can’t gameplan for turning the ball over, you can’t gameplan for second chance points.”

No, but you can gameplan.

Look, you can play two-point-guard backcourts against bigger teams and win.  Don Nelson did it all the time.  Greg Popovich does it.  George Karl does it.  The worst team in the league did it to Mark Jackson this season.

But you can’t do it while walking the ball up the court.  Any NBA coach could tell you that.

Don’t you think it’s time the Warriors got one?

David Lee: Hey, Lee put a 5-20 on Josh Smith on his home floor.  Does that mean he suddenly got better defensively?  Maybe it had something to do with the players he had on the court with him. (Don’t tell the stat phreaks!)

The Warriors ran the identical crunchtime out-of-bounds play for Lee that failed so spectacularly in Memphis.  This time it succeeded spectacularly.

Or was it the identical play?  Checking the tape, I noticed two differences, one a subtle coaching tweak, and the other a subtle improvement in execution.

Against Memphis, Curry executed the pin-down to free Lee for the pass, and it was Curry’s man, the nimble Mike Conley, waiting under the basket to pick up the charge.  Against the Hawks, it was the player being guarded by the center Pachulia, Brandon Rush, who executed the pin-down, and Lee was able to waltz right around Pachulia for the layup.  That’s the coaching tweak.

The execution tweak:  In this game, after inbounding to Lee, Monta broke around Lee towards the key as if to take the handoff, pulling Josh Smith away so that Lee could drive.  Against Memphis, Monta broke the wrong way, resulting in Marc Gasol sticking to Lee (and steamrolling him like a rhinoceros).

Nice adjustments.  And proof that when judging a player’s performance in crunch time, coaching matters.

Ekpe Udoh:  That 15 footer is actually starting to look — dare I say it? — sweet.

12 pts, 6-10, 8 rbs, 1 ast, 3 stls, 3 blks.  If nothing else, those are numbers that can win you a fantasy league.

Goose Eggs: #OsteitisPubis.  Lacob knew.


How running after made baskets helps equalize the free-throw disparity:  8:50 3Q [Edit: 4Q]:  After a nice Klay Thompson drive, Willie Green beats Thompson downcourt, drawing the shooting foul on his drive.

You didn’t think I was going to mention a Warriors play, did you?

47 Responses to Walk This Way: Warriors 85 Hawks 82

  1. In 9 of the last 13 games the Warriors have scored 100+ points, with 2 of the 4 games where they scored under coming directly out of the AS break.

    Guess what, when you shut down play and practice for the better part of a week your timing and rythmn on offense figures to suffer. This was Atlanta’s first game back and they hardly lit it up offensively themselves.

    Odds are, with Curry likely back on Friday, and 2 games under their belts to knock off the offensive cobwebs, the Warriors will be back around the century mark vs Philly and beyond. This is not a case of walk-up-BB mode being implemented by MJ and staff.

    Nice to see Dom McGuire, unquestionably the toughest and most physical player on this team, get more minutes to help rebound.

    Not as nice watching Klay Thompson (3-5) only take 5 shots on a night when the Warriors were still in their post-AS shooting deep freeze. When you’re one of the two best shooters on your team you need to play (shoot) like it.

  2. “But Coach Drew, we only had nine turnovers, how did we lose? Mark Jackson said…”

    – Anonymous Hawks player after their game with Golden State…

  3. So in your opinion the player scoring on a driving layup should be the “first” guy back on D…gotit

    You’re slipping a little ol’ Mighty felt…thought you’d have a ‘Ragdoll’ like name for Klay by now & making pronouncement’s like he’ll be out of the league playing in Europe next year…just like your BW campaign of yore!

    • BTW…Barnett was also very critical of the play you described…except not of Klay, but of the rest of the Warriors for not getting back on D before Klay.

      But we know you don’t respect what others say or write, it’s all the felbot eyeballs…(Unless you’re quoting a Pruiti type piece that happened to agree with you?)

      • The point I was making had nothing to do with Klay Thompson’s defense. Try to keep up.

        • felt says it has “…nothing to do with Klay Thompsons defense”

          “After a nice Klay Thompson drive, Willie Green beats Thompson downcourt…”

          “…Klay Thompson? Can’t he guard Joe Johnson?”

          “Don’t bother answering that.”


  4. Even with the Warriors not running, they are still in the top four teams in the NBA in adjusted FG%-near 51%. I agree they would even have a higher FG% if they ran.

    Last night’s slow start showed, once again, that Udoh.

    It will be difficult for team’s to score 25 points in a quarter, when both Udoh and McGuire are on the court.

    The Warriors now have a solid nine-man rotation, without throwing Biedrins into the mix. And he is in the mix. The team has the potential to do quite well. It’s to bad that it’s taken so long for the Warriors to get the right players on the court. And even now, playing time is not being allocated properly.

    Given how Malone directs the team during timeouts, it seems obvious that Malone is the Warriors primary coach.

    Do you think that Lacob has hopes that Lin wants to return be near his family and will resign with the Warriors?

    • Frank – Isn’t Udoh’s a much better offensive player than Biedrins? Net positive. If McGuire gets 15 boards per game, limits his offense to offensive boards/stickbacks, and makes the opponents best offensive player work hard for their points, sign me up coach. Curry, Ellis, Lee, and Udoh should be good enough offensively. If the offense suffers with McGuire in the game, shooters Rush or D. Wright or Klay should be put in.

      • Sure Lacob must have hope that Lin will want to sign locally down the road – but Lin’s marketability is soaring in New York now – and no way the Knicks, while they have lightning in a bottle, will ever let Lin walk – especially while D’Antoni’s still coaching there.

  5. Oh joy, another windy post from white hat:

    Questions for Jackson:


    Yr. Avg. Score Pace
    08-09 108.2 1st
    09-10 108.8 1st
    10-11 103.4 4th
    11-12 98.1 8th

    In the last 2 seasons the only change to the starting 5 has been to add David Lee and Dorell Wright. How is it possible to add two great scorers and average 10 pts/game less than 2 years ago?

    Is there a reason why the Warriors should play at a slower pace? What are the advantages? Is less scoring better?

    All the current Warriors starters came here to play for Don Nelson. In what way do you think this team would do better by playing a more conventional style of game rather than Nellieball? Do you think your results support that?

    When “the shots aren’t falling,” is it possible that the other team has a good defensive plan for your offense? What do you think “the defensive book” is on the Warriors? What could you do about it?

    In hindsight, would you have done anything differently in Indiana, or is an occasional blowout simply the Warriors destiny?

    We’ve suffered 3 blowouts so far this season. Should fans expect 3 more before the end of the season?

    3rd quarters have often been weak for the Warriors this year. We saw that again most recently in Indiana, though it also happened in Memphis and many other games. Some people say that it’s due to your opponents’ halftime coaching adjustments. What do you think?

    When you say “lack of effort” after a loss, are you accusing any specific player of slacking, or is the whole team down? If it’s the whole team, would that be on the coaching staff?

    Do you personally ever have bad games? Have you ever apologized to your players? How about after Orlando?

  6. Nobody does ambush journalism anymore, it’s only done in blogs. I miss it.

  7. A longer highlight package from last night.

  8. @#8

    Howdy, I’m Mark Jackson, and ready for your interview. These better be good.

    “In the last 2 seasons the only change to the starting 5 has been to add David Lee and Dorell Wright. How is it possible to add two great scorers and average 10 pts/game less than 2 years ago?”

    Well, first of all, you should get all your numbers and stats correct before we start here, and looking at this sheet of paper you handed me you have us listed as the 8th highest scoring team in the league when we are in fact number 6.

    Now, as far as Lee and Wright, they weren’t added 2 years ago, they were added last year, and last year the Warriors ranking dropped to 4th in scoring. This year compared to 2 yrs ago? Give me Morrow, Tolliver and Watson to use off my bench and we’d easily be over 100 per game right now, and if your so-called great scorer Dorell Wright was shooting as well as last year and Curry wasn’t always limping around and missing games……you get my drift? Lots of reasons, beyond my control, for the dropoff in points.

    Having said that, according to your basketball reference numbers, notice our “pace” ranking? That’s possessions per 48 minutes. Well, we rank 8th of 30, with the highest scoring team in the league, Miami, just ahead of us at number 7. Slow down? LOL

    “Is there a reason why the Warriors should play at a slower pace? What are the advantages? Is less scoring better?”

    I just finished explaining our numbers and scoring. It’s hard to run when you have rebounding problems, yet we’re running whenever the opportunity presents itself. And only 5 teams are scoring more per game than we are. Less scoring, more scoring, just give me more points than the team we’re playing on any given night and I’ll be one happy preacher…er… I mean, coach.

    “All the current Warriors starters came here to play for Don Nelson. In what way do you think this team would do better by playing a more conventional style of game rather than Nellieball? Do you think your results support that?”

    I think all the current starters and everyone else came here to win regardless of who’s coaching, and that’s what we’re trying to achieve, a winning atmosphere and mentality. Your offense doesn’t always show up but your defense should be there every night. That’s what we want, tough defense that leads to offensive opportunities, and ultimately, wins. Our record will eventually reflect our efforts.

    “When “the shots aren’t falling,” is it possible that the other team has a good defensive plan for your offense? What do you think “the defensive book” is on the Warriors? What could you do about it?”

    How about some better questions, man? Look, you get open, you shoot, and the ball goes in or it doesn’t. Teams are always going to try and contain the other teams most prolific players, in any sport. When teams play the Lakers do you think they key on stopping Derek Fisher? LOL Other teams definitely try and be physical with us since the perception around the league seems to be that we’re a finesse team. That’s my concern, our toughness.

    “In hindsight, would you have done anything differently in Indiana, or is an occasional blowout simply the Warriors destiny?

    We’ve suffered 3 blowouts so far this season. Should fans expect 3 more before the end of the season?”

    It didn’t matter what we as a coaching staff did in Indiana, the players, mentally, were still on their AS break for those 48 minutes. Have I mentioned mental toughness yet?

    So, what’s a “blowout”? A double-digit loss? Yeah, we’ve had whatever you say, 3 blowouts. Hell, Miami lost twice by 13, and twice by like 9. For that team that’s definitely being “blown out”, and just shows that’s life in the NBA. Next question?

    “3rd quarters have often been weak for the Warriors this year. We saw that again most recently in Indiana, though it also happened in Memphis and many other games. Some people say that it’s due to your opponents’ halftime coaching adjustments. What do you think?”

    Didn’t I already address this? Who do you work for? C’mon, man. Yeah, we’re getting our butts out-coached every freakin’ game. And did I mention we let all our players tweet and play video games at halftime? Next!!!

    “When you say “lack of effort” after a loss, are you accusing any specific player of slacking, or is the whole team down? If it’s the whole team, would that be on the coaching staff?

    Do you personally ever have bad games? Have you ever apologized to your players? How about after Orlando?”

    The coaches don’t run, pass, shoot, defend or rebound. If the players aren’t executing plays and schemes what do you want us to do? Say “pretty please, with maple syrup on it” to them? We do our best to get everyone ready and be in the best possible position to succeed on the court. The rest is up to them.

    The only person I apologized to after the Orlando game was D Howard for all those hack-a-Howards. As brilliant as the strategy was I just wanted to make sure there were no hard feelings in case….you know….just in case there’s a trade some day. You know what I mean?

    Have I ever had a bad game? Are you kidding?? LMAO That’s it, I’m outta here. See you in Philly. On second thought, if your questions aren’t any better than these, don’t even bother. Ciao

    • Steve,

      You do a great Mark Jackson! Thanks for clearing everything up! Just a few points:

      Give you Morrow, Tolliver and Watson? Really? I’ll take Lee, DWright and Robinson/Thompson/Jenkins, thanks. Your 3 are all little-used reserves where they’re playing now, as they should be. Didn’t you know that?

      “…yet we’re running whenever the opportunity presents itself…” Pants on fire, coach, that’s completely untrue. We’re talking about offensive pace here. Your offense never even attempts to beat the D downcourt after a made basket. Just wonderin’ why, coach. Got an answer, or you just want to evade the question some more?

      Re coaching adjustments, Wright for one doesn’t get the open looks he got last year. This year he’s usually wearing a defender like a hat. Curry disappears on offense sometimes too, for the same reason: the book on the Warriors clearly says the priority is to stop the outside shooting. Do that, prevent the inlet pass to Lee, and it’s game/set/match. I mean really, if you were an opposing coach would you let Dorell @#$% Wright beat you?

      When Wright and Rush don’t get simple spot up shots, “the shots aren’t falling.” In response, most teams would adjust by going inside or running actual offensive plays to get the ball in the right hands at the right spot. The Warriors bring in Nate Robinson.

      “Say “pretty please, with maple syrup on it” to them?” Oh, please. If you don’t know how to get what you want from your team, turn in your whistle, coach. The question about slackers was a serious one. If a single player doesn’t work hard, he sits, correct? Yes or no. If a whole team checks out, start packing your things, you’re going to have a short stay. Ask Paul Westphal.

      No apologies, huh? You have 15 players who think they could have beaten Orlando, if only they’d been allowed to. Their coach told them not to compete. I wonder if that’s when you lost them, coach. What do you think?

    • Very nice! Regarding the slowing down point: It’s interesting that the Warriors are showing up well in the pace statistic — I’m not sure how to interpret that, given that they’ve dropped off so severely in the fastbreak points statistic:


      18.8 fastbreak points/game last season. 12.8 this season. 10.3 in the last three games.

      No, my eyes weren’t deceiving me.

      And now, if you really want to scare yourself, check out the Warriors’ ranking in fastbreak efficiency. I can’t help but feel that this is a direct result of the emphasis the fast break is given by this coaching staff.


      • It’s kind of a tradition for Warriors fans to turn bitter and cynical at this point in the season. I worry about that. I’m usually more positive. Really.

        “I have the heart of a child. I keep it in a jar on my shelf.”
        – Robert Bloch

      • Re pace, correct me if I’m wrong, but that’s based on the number of FG attempts, right? If so, having fewer turnovers would boost pace despite whatever other factors – like fewer fast breaks – might depress it.

        The Warriors average turnover numbers are identical to last season (14.4), but that number gets them ranked at 9th this season as opposed to 22nd last season. The league as a whole has had more turnovers so far this year. No surprise, the effects of the lockout are showing.

        It really is a credit to the team – and their coaching staff – that in many measures, like turnovers, the Warriors didn’t experience the same dropoff as much of the rest of the league in the first half of the season.

        That begs the question of how long the lockout effects can be expected to last. As other teams round into shape with more playing time, it seems reasonable to expect their numbers to close in on last year’s. In that case, the Warriors rankings will drop throughout the rest of the season, ending up near last year’s – unless they too start playing better. Defend better, rebound better, and/or score more. What we KNOW this lineup can do is score more.


  9. Although loved by his coach and NY fans, I still think there’s a remote possibility that Lin returns to the Warriors, as they gave him his first chance in the NBA ,and his family resides here. If Lacob senses or has inside information that might be true, he may well be making trade decisions with that in mind.

    The one big thing that Udoh lacks offensively is knowing how to get himself free under the basket to receive passes from the perimeter or when our guards are taking it to the hoop. Seems there is always a player between him and the ball or he fails to move to the open spot inside. Rarely, do we see plays that allow him to dunk the ball at the rim. But, given his deadly picks and his activity on offense, in my opinion, tbe teams works better offensively when he is on the court.

    With Udoh having earned playing time, and given his ability to defend the rim, the Warriors now have to alter their defense and concentrate on forcing teams to take two point shots, not threes. They need to extend their defense, and McGuire is a perfect fit to defend both inside and the perimeter, as he has the quickness to do both. Our opponents FG% should continue to decline with Udoh, D.Lee, and McGuire being our frontcourt defensively.

    The Warriors should continue to be effective scoring given their potent offense.

    Hopefully, both Jackson and Malone make the necessary adjustments defensely and not allow uncontested threes, or have defensive players always running to the stop perimeter shots.

    • As much as I love Udoh and McGuire’s D, they’re liabilities on offense. As an opposing coach I’d be happy to give them both as many shots as the Warriors would have them take. Neither will beat you.

      That leaves opposing defense free to focus on Lee and only two other players. Lee gets pounded and pushed, Wright gets blanketed and Monta gets doubled. Curry changes the equation, but playing McGuire + Udoh still leaves the dubs with effectively a 3-on-5 offensive game.

      I’d send Biedrins to Latvia, start Udoh and play McGuire as his backup. Not the ideal solution, but McGuire delivers more than Biedrins, CWright and Tyler combined. Even if you call him a center.

  10. White Hat: Udoh’s offensive play has steadily improved his shooting with getting more time on the court and not being limited to taking only 4 shots per game. He’s not a offensive liability. But, he does need to show a consistency.

    McGuire should be limited to put-backs off of offensive rebounds.

    If Udoh and McGuire can help limit opposing teams to shooting less 43% or less from the field, the Warriors should wim more games than they lose.

    The Warriors really need to get a decent SF as D.Wright is just to inconsistent. For the time being, I don’t mind D.Lee playing SF at times as he can really take it to the hoop.Just wish he could shoot threes.

    With Udoh in the starting line-up we should hold our own in the first quarter, and not fall behind, as we do with Biedrins starting. It’s a toss up on whether we should start McGuire or D. Wright.

    Our best line-up may well be Udoh, McGuire, D. Lee. Curry and Ellis. This line-up would give us 3 1/2 good shooters.

    We would have some depth with D. Wright, Rush, Robinson, Thompson, Tyler (he should be recalled), and Biedrins, coming off the bench.

    • “This line-up would give us 3 1/2 good shooters.”

      And opposing defenses would do their damnedest to force the ball into the hands of the remaining 1-1/2. I see where you’re going, Frank, but offenses take what defenses give them. In your lineup, that means Udoh and McGuire end up shooting too often to give you a win.

      One offensive no-show is manageable. The Warriors have done that for years, and come up with some pretty high scoring offenses. Two no-shows? A huge handicap, more than twice as difficult.

  11. Here’s a good read if you’re enjoying all the trade speculations going on. Lots of Warriors talk as well.


  12. @13

    white hat, I tried to be as evasive as possible with my answers. :)

    Here’s, btw, their definition of “pace”:

    Pace Factor (available since the 1973-74 season in the NBA); the formula is 48 * ((Tm Poss + Opp Poss) / (2 * (Tm MP / 5))). Pace factor is an estimate of the number of possessions per 48 minutes by a team. (Note: 40 minutes is used in the calculation for the WNBA.)

    • Thanks for this, Steve, I was planning on looking it up myself. Now that I see it, I can see that it is a highly imperfect measurement of the actual pace at which a team plays. Can you see why?

      Just as an example, a team with terrible defense will have a higher pace factor. Right?

      And its unclear whether offensive rebounds count as a “new possession.” I’m guessing they don’t, because if they did, Kevin Love would add an enormous amount of pace to a team. Does that make any kind of sense?

      But if they don’t, then it would be poor offensive rebounding that would add pace to a team, right? Change of possession would occur on every shot. Does that ring a bell?

      I’m beginning to see why the Warriors pace factor is so high, and it’s clearly not all about the actual pace at which they run their offense.

      It is clear to me that the best stat for judging a team’s running game is fast-break points — the correlation is pure. It also accords well with what I am seeing with my own eyes. I’m sure some here will call that “cherry-picking,” but I don’t think it is. It’s reasoning.

      • Felt, I say drats to stats, but I agree that fast-break points should be the best indicator of a team’s running prowess.

    • Steve, you were an excellent MJ! I could almost hear his dulcet tones. Thanks!

  13. On the one hand, I’m impressed with this blog’s astute analysis, engendered no doubt by our fearless leader, Mr. FB. On the other hand, the deep stat drilling is creating a glaze over my eyes.

    Having said that, I’d much prefer to be here than on the idiotic Kawakami and Lauridsen blogs and their ilk, which I stopped reading 18 months ago and counting.

    Keep up the thoughtful comments, guys and gals.

  14. Philadelphia:

    I was kind of hoping Biedrins would go for a 100 points tonight.

    Hard to watch a game with a plan you knew couldn’t work–and you’ll only have to change a few words of the post above, FB. I don’t understand why they aren’t working more options in offense, and if Wright isn’t going to drive, see what Rush can do. I recall about two semi-fast breaks, one to Rush.

    • Aargh.

    • How much is the coaches that affect pace, and how much of it is Ellis? I posit that it is always been Curry that has pushed the pace, and that when he has to bring the ball up, Ellis has typically been a walker.

      That said, coaches can stress running or they can not. Jackson seems to think that it will come naturally, and so he doesn’t have to emphasize it at all. In some of the huddles that have been mic’d on TV, Jackson talks about grabbing the rebound, and then “off to the races” –> his words. But the Warriors execution on fast breaks has been pitiful this year on the few occasions when they do get one, so obviously it hasn’t been a point of emphasis.