Burn the Memo: Celtics 105 Warriors 103

The scrap-end of this Warriors team has apparently not gotten the memo. Don’t they know how badly Joe Lacob wants his lottery pick back?        

I shouldn’t be recapping this game.  I’m in the middle of my long and tortured analysis of the trade for Andrew Bogut.  But I’ve enjoyed the last two games so much — as much as any games this season — that I’ve just got to say a few words.  Plus, the comments on the last thread were getting a little long, and I’ve got a few valued blog members whose web pages are slow to load. So let’s start a new thread with a few brief observations:

The fast break.  The running after made baskets (8:30 1Q — FIRST TIME ALL SEASON — Thank you Beans, you remembered how). The early offense. The spread floor.  The trust in Dorell Wright (another first). Dominic McGuire where he belongs, at the four.  And five.

The spread floor.

The Nellie Ball.

Why in the world did it take until now — until the plug had been pulled on the season — for Mark Jackson to start playing winning basketball?  The style of basketball this roster was designed for?

It makes me want to look up the word “irony” in the dictionary again. I’ve never quite gotten the proper usage of that word.

Klay Thompson:  The man of the hour.  Stepping into the big shoes, on the big stage.  He’s a fabulous offensive player.  The whole package, shooting, handling, passing.  Huge IQ.

That won’t be the issue. Mark Jackson said he “took the challenge” against Ray Allen tonight.  My eyes told me something different: I saw the Warriors giving a lot of help, and Bass and Garnett getting easy buckets as a result.  And I saw Pietrus slipping open for threes.  But that’s quibbling after a game like this. Let’s see what happens.

And I will say this about Thompson’s defense, without reservation: He’s conscientious, and smart. That’s got 75% of the NBA’s two-guards beat right there. Which is why Marco Belinelli got the job in NOLA, and Marcus Thornton got shipped out.

Nate Robinson: Absolutely fabulous game as a point-guard, right up until that final non-fundamental, unnecessarily off-balance three-ball for the win.  Another thing that reminded me of Marco Belinelli.

Am I mistaken, or has the undeniably talented Nate been all business in the last two games? He is in the process of earning his next contract.

It won’t be from Joe Lacob.  He’s tapped capped out.

Brandon Rush: The development in his game this season has been incredible.  The handle.  The aggressive drives.  Those slams in traffic.  The rebounding. Most impressive to me: that crunch time defense on Paul Pierce. Wowza.  You can count the number of players who can do that on the fingers of one hand.

The man has a huge court presence. I’m thinking now that he could not only be a starter in this league, but he could be a starter on a playoff team. What was Larry Bird thinking?  He must be sick right now.  If the Pacers still had Rush, I’d make them a favorite to beat the Bulls in the playoffs. No, I wouldn’t. Yes, I would.

He’s a restricted free agent this summer. Will Joe Lacob re-sign him? Stay tuned for my next post.

Dorell Wright:  Huge defensively and on the boards in this game, as well as his formerly efficient self offensively.  The man can play basketball. When given the chance.

It was good to see him in the fourth quarter, finally. Where has he been? More on that in my next post, as well.

Goose Eggs:  I don’t think he’s a dog.  I think he’s got Osteitis Pubis, and has had since 2009.  I think he wishes he could play better, or that Joe Lacob had bought him out. One of the two.

Sue me.

David Lee:  41 minutes. 22 points, 8 rebounds. 6 stitches.


I wonder how long it would take Adam Lauridsen to get back to his keyboard after he got 6 stitches?

Jim Barnett: “[David Lee] has been much more effective against Kevin Garnett than he has against Brandon Bass.”

One of the many, many reasons I love Jim Barnett.

Bob Fitzgerald: Now that the tank is on, Fitz is ten times more relaxed.

And ten times better.

Mark Jackson:  Didn’t throw his team under the bus.  In fact, he seemed downright human.  I think I’m going to enjoy the post-game pressers a lot more from now on.

At least until next season, when once again the Warriors will be a no excuses basketball team.

93 Responses to Burn the Memo: Celtics 105 Warriors 103

  1. [Side note]
    Not meaning to derail the comments of this recap, but everyone should read this aritcle on Monta. Really good stuff.


    • “For last week’s MIT Sloan Sports Analytics Conference, Rafe Bartholomew — a fellow editor here at Grantland — and I began preparing a paper called “Montametrics.” We wanted to create a system that could properly quantify pretty much every cool thing that happened on a basketball court. We came up with stats like “Impossible Shotability” and tweaked “True Shooting Percentage” to count the number of times a given player could make you say, “He’s the truth.” Our muse, of course, was Monta, who does at least three or four Montametric things a game. Our paper, which we never wrote or presented, was mostly an attempt at humor, but the underlying impulse came from our general frustration with the myopia of efficiency ratings that bury valuable scorers who might be stuck in bad situations. Again, Monta provided the perfect model.”

      That particular paragraph reveals without doubt that this piece was written by (1) someone who writes for a national media outlet that actually watches (other than the Lakers) left coast basketball (2) someone who has done much more than read a next-morning box score to critique the all around play and ability of Monta Ellis (3) someone who has watched a lot of Warriors games over the years (4) someone who is a big fan of Monta.

      Not a bad piece but there were some things to quibble about……

      “The Warriors had just shipped a petulant Baron Davis off to the Clippers…”

      The Warriors never “shipped” Baron anywhere. He opted out of the final year of his contract and wound up signing as a free agent with the Clippers.

      And this…….

      “Next year, the Warriors will presumably start the season with some mix of Bogut, Curry, Lee, Klay Thompson, Stephen Jackson (nobody else is going to take on that contract), Biedrins, and their selection from this year’s stacked draft class. Who “scores the basketball” on that team? And if the idea is to build a team that can grind out 88-84 wins, how are the Warriors going to do that with defensive liabilities like Stephen Curry, Klay Thompson, and David Lee playing big minutes?”

      Who “scores the basketball”? How about everybody. Not to mention that without over half of those players available the Warriors just finished scoring 218 pts in 2 games.

      Or, how about……”when your Tyson Chandler dreams devolve into an injured Andrew Bogut, maybe it’s better to be patient and make sure that you’ve properly assessed your best assets” and…….”he just needs to be put in the right situation. Milwaukee might not be the best fit, but it’s better than always being the odd man out in Golden State’s blind charge toward a new identity”?

      Bogut is younger than Chandler, and everything else being equal I’ll take Bogut over Chandler. And to categorize what new ownership has been doing as “blind charge” is way off base, IMO.

      Again, some good points and stats, but in the end winds up being nothing more than a good PR-piece for a very good player.

    • +10 Wow. Thanks, berko. Great, great piece. I’m amazed that an outside writer could have gotten so much right about Monta and the Joe Lacob Warriors. I could be fast friends with this guy.

      • Felt, my reply here says “your comment is awaiting moderation”. You’re not going Kawakami on me, are you? :)

        • Fixed. No idea why that reply was moderated. Length, perhaps? Perspicacity? Usually it’s because of multiple links.

    • Easily the best piece I’ve ever seen about how special Monta is — so good it overcomes the errors that Steve pointed out. Thanks for posting, berko.

      What does it say about our mediocre local media that we don’t get this kind of analysis? And what does it say about the national media, who are so caught up in their “storyline” about Monta being a gunner that they can’t see beyond that?

  2. Felt, looking forward to reading your analysis of the trade. I, like yourself, have really enjoyed watching these last 2 games. The Warriors have averaged well over 100 pts (109) and have been playing with great energy and unselfishness. Team basketball can be so invigorating to watch when it is indeed TEAM basketball. Everyone is involved offensively which also seems to be a product of the coaches mixing and matching much more than pre-trade. And their defense, including rebounding, has been pretty good. Small sample size, but a good start to the post-Monta era.

    I’ll be watching all of the Bucks games the rest of the season and pulling (save for Friday night) for Monta to do well, but having already said how great it’s been to watch ME play throughout his career with GSW, I must confess I haven’t missed him one bit these last 2 nights.

  3. Thanks Feltbot!
    Moving Monta presented an opportunity for the rookie Klay Thompson – and he’s taking full advantage of the opportunity! What a player this kid is going to be! Klay is everything Jerry West promised he would be. Even when his shot is off, I think he can impact the game in other ways. He’d have scored 30 points on 16 shots had he not missed two open dunks.

    Rush and D. Wright – must be playing scared with Stephen Jackson coming to town because they are taking the ball and attacking the rim the last 2 games! This was my perceived weakness in their games – handling, passing, and/or finishing with aggression.

    I was WAY WRONG on Nate Robinson – who I wanted no part of prior to him signing… Now I don’t know what we’d do without him! Great penetrator and finisher. Wish Nate had Curry’s shot. Hey – I wish Curry had Nate’s “toughness.”

    • Kudos for recognizing and publicly admitting your mis-assessment of Nate. It would be nice if others who were wrong not only admitted it, but used it as a learning experience to not be so damned arrogant next time. This would mean, though, that AL and TK would have to spend inordinate amounts of text cleaning up their garbage.

  4. From MT:

    “Warriors forward Dorell Wright did not hesitate one bit in denying reports he wants the Warriors to trade him.

    WRIGHT: “I never said anything about me wanting to go any where. I want to be here. I didn’t say none of that.”

    Wright pointed to the fact that he is buying a house in the Bay Area as evidenced he’s committed to the Warriors. He said he never expressed any desire to leave to management and has no idea where the rumors came from.”

    • Lacob & company did it – balsy, fan unfriendly, but necessary trade. No way the Warriors have the assets to trade for a healthy top 5 center. So you take an unhealthy one. And throw in a big expiring. And a rising big albeit more PF than C in Udoh. Players like Bogut aren’t easily available. Love the good passers in Lee, Bogut, Curry, and Klay. Acquire a good prospect in the draft – and continue to improve the bench – and I’m loving this team much more.

  5. From GSOM: Media reaction to trade. (Is John Hollinger the ultimate tool or what?)


    • Any bets on SJax? LOL! Buyout demand? Extension? Offseason trade? How many days before SJax throws MJax under the bus? I ASSume that SJax will be a disruptive force – and won’t let the Warriors even try to get value back. I only see a buyout (cap be damned) as a solution and the price to pay for Bogut – and one of the final remnants of Rowell’s stupidity.

  6. NBA Today: Mike Yam and Tim Legler break down the Warriors trade.


  7. bloodsweatndonuts

    “I wonder how long it would take Adam Lauridsen to get back to his keyboard after he got 6 stitches”?

    Funniest thing I’ve read all week. Say what you want about all of his misguided and misinformed analysis, but I don’t think you give his prose nearly enough credit for having the stylistic flare of a metronome.

  8. What is the lesson? The temptation is to draw a comparison with Lin and the Knicks a few weeks ago. A pressure and maybe directives have been removed, players put on the sidelines have a chance to step up, a team finally gets to play basketball. This unit will stumble, but I bet it gives teams fits the rest of the season.

    I had no confidence in Robinson as point guard starting Tuesday. Now I have great confidence. He made good decisions, in part because everyone else on the team was making good decisions. As with Lin, the movement and spread give him openings to drive. And of course, as with Lin, other teams don’t know him yet. They know how to prepare for Ellis.

    Jackson and Malone did coach these games, btw.

    And as with Tolliver and Hunter and Watson and Reggie, we’d better enjoy these guys while we can. We won’t see many of them next year as they don’t fit into the plan.

  9. Stephen Jackson for Richard Jefferson plus (late) first round pick, omg.

    • That sound you heard is a collective sigh of relief that Jackson will not be bringing his I’m-a-team-player-but-me-first attitude to the Warriors.

      • Yes, instead he’s going to play for the best front office and the best coach in professional basketball. For a championship.

        Greg Popovich, like Tim Duncan and Don Nelson, completely understands the difference between Stephen Jackson and Richard Jefferson.

        And it seems that Jackson’s tactics, that have always been about getting himself onto a contender, paid off after all. Just like the same tactics paid off years before for his mentor, and equal in competitive fire, Kobe Bryant.

        • RE: Jackson’s tactics – The ends justify the means re: Stephen Jackson’s behavior? Really? When San Antonio refuses an SJax extension, we’ll see. Time will tell. And I loved SJax’s game. Hate the attitude.

          Popovich is a great coach/San Antonio is a great organization – as long as Duncan can still play. There was no genius in tanking after Robinson’s injury and receiving the #1 pick in Duncan’s draft. When Duncan’s done, then we’ll see just how great they truly are. My guess? Good. Hopefully, he’ll retire and not ruin his legacy.

        • Okay, let’s accept your assessment that Jackson’s competitive fire equals that of Kobe Bryant. But there’s another factor. They’re completely different in that Kobe knows how to manage the fire, and Jackson, who’ll turn 34 in three weeks, still does not. So let’s wait awhile, as they say, to evaluate this trade. I expect Jackson to explode again, and we’ll be very glad we have Richard Jefferson.

      • “And it seems that Jackson’s tactics, that have always been about getting himself onto a contender, paid off after all.”

        Hard to believe GSW would have fit the bill for Jax. SA should be interesting rest of the season. What do we have in Jefferson and will there be serious interest in keeping him?

        • Or will Jefferson be a more tradable piece and a way to free up cash next summer?

          • Jefferson — blecht. I had just begun to accept losing Udoh as well as Monta for Bogut, but getting Jefferson for another 2 1/2 years? That makes no sense. He makes $10 M next year, then $11M the year after. Nobody will want to trade for him at least until he is an expiring, and even then, I’m not sure he’ll get much. So GS is stuck with him for this year and next at least, a player who is much less productive than Jackson these days. If Jefferson couldn’t play (well) in SA, how well will he play in GS?

            Even if you don’t like Jackson, at least he would have been an expiring next year. Jefferson won’t be.

          • Jefferson and Jackson fit better on their respective teams – good trade. I can’t imagine the Warriors are done dealing this offseason. With an estimated (my fuzzy math) $56 million committed for 8 players in 2012-2013 and 2-5 2012 draft picks coming, more change is coming.

  10. In essence,
    1) Andrew Bogut + Richard Jefferson + SA’s first rounder

    2) Monta Ellis + Ekpe Udoh + Kwame Brown’s Expiring

    • I’m VERY pleased with the Warriors Front Office right now. The parts are fitting together now.
      Curry/Robinson/Jenkins PG
      Klay/Rush SG
      Jefferson/D. Wright SF
      Lee/McGuire/C. Wright PF

      Other NBA Trades.

      • Warriors purchase Atlanta’s 2012 2nd rounder for cash.

        • Andrew Bogut $13,000,000
          David Lee $12,744,000
          Richard Jefferson $10,164,000
          Andris Biedrins $9,000,000
          Dorell Wright $4,106,000
          Stephen Curry $3,958,742
          Klay Thompson $2,222,160
          Jeremy Tyler $762,195

          8 players $55,957,097 Estimated Committed 2012-2013

          Charles Jenkins – non-guaranteed.
          Brandon Rush
          Nate Robinson
          Dom McGuire
          C. Wright

          • In essence,
            1) Andrew Bogut + Richard Jefferson + SA’s first rounder + ATL’s 2nd rounder

            2) Monta Ellis + Ekpe Udoh + Kwame Brown’s Expiring + Cash

          • PeteyBrian

            In another six weeks, the roster looks like this:

            Curry/Robinson/Jenkins PG – Next year Curry (if healthy,
            Robinson will be gone, Dubs have no money to pay him)
            Klay/Rush SG – Rush Likely gone unless Dubs match other teams offer, especially when he will play behind Jefferson and DWright.

            Am I correct in that the Warriors will have no money for Free Agents? I would say our roster may not be playoff material even if healthy. Hope I’m wrong and gone LinSane.

          • The Warriors have $56M committed to 8 players. They’ll spend a minimum of another 1.5M or so on their 2 new draftees. The cap next year is $61M, so if they feel they have to stay under the cap, they’ll have only about $3.5M remaining to spend on filling out their roster. After signing their draftees, they’ll need to sign 3 more guys to meet the league minimum of 13.

            Rush makes approx. $4M this year. He’s gone. The dubs don’t have the money for Rush after essentially turning Kwame Brown’s expiring contract into Richard Jefferson’s 2-year deal.

            Nate and Dom both make about one mil, Jenkins slightly less. All of them can expect raises next year, either from the Warriors or from someone else. If the Warriors wanted all 3 back it might just be possible, depending. Even under the best (cheapest)-case scenario, though,the team couldn’t afford one more player that that, so even C. Wright is gone next year.

            One possible alternative to that scenario would be to turn one of their better-paid contracted players into 2-3 new lower-paid players via trade. If the team were concerned about injuries (shouldn’t they be?), they might feel they had to make a deal like that. Trading Jefferson for a few guys doesn’t seem far-fetched. Trades can’t be used to reduce the team’s salary against the cap, but at least the dubs could have an extra body or 2 around, just in case.

    • @Mackie and White Hat – Great posts and agreed.

      I’m hoping the Warriors extend the $4 million qualifying offer to Brandon Rush – and salary dump Dorell Wright next season. Similar salary – similar players IMHO – but Brandon Rush plays the near-elite defense needed for the playoffs. Notice how hard they are playing now that competition (Jackson, but now Jefferson) was coming to town?

      Love to see Nate and McGuire re-signed but Nate could be a starter on a bad team and McGuire a shutdown defensive role player – would command more $.

      • PB,

        I’m pretty sure there is no such a thing as salary dumping in the NBA. A guaranteed contract will be paid. The only way to get it off the books is to let it expire.

        The only way for the Ws to sign Rush would be to go over the salary cap and pay whatever the penalty is for that. They’d have to give him a raise + pay some additional amount in fees to the NBA. They won’t do that with Wright and Jefferson already on the books.

        Rush is gone.

  11. I’ll take Nate McMillan anyday.

    • TJ,

      Assume you mean Robinson. He’s great sometimes, and a liability sometimes. He’s on his 4th team in 4 years. His last team literally paid him to vacate the premises. The Warriors signed him to a 1 year minimum contract. It was his only offer.

      I like Nate too, and the Warriors definitely needed him this year. But all 29 other teams in the league passed on him. They all felt they could get a better backup PG even at the league minimum salary. What do they know? More than us, probably.

  12. The continuing jabs at Adam Lauridsen are uncalled-for and, frankly, come across as petty jealousy by you, felt, and a select few of your posters. Obviously, it’s a free world, but it detracts greatly from a serious discussion of basketball on this blog.

    • AL earned this one, OT. Amazing he could recap the Boston game and not credit Lee.

    • Mrs Lauridsen aka Out Team,

      This is a hoops blog, and not a knitting site. Your Son will be fine with the ‘friendly’ criticism.

    • Either a weak attempt at sarcasm, OT, or a pathetic attempt at criticism. What possible reason would Felty have to be jealous of AL when there isn’t one.

  13. Trade deadline winners, losers (for all you Fantasy Freaks).


  14. “There is no doubt in our mind that our roster has improved by leaps and bounds,” Riley said Thursday. “We had to change this thing. We’ve changed the Warriors organization in terms of the way we do business and our roster. I don’t want to sit in front of the media like I did last year and say I like our team and I don’t like our record.”


  15. This was written before SJ was traded to the Spurs. I’m sure he’ll do fine with SA. I actually thought he was going to help the Warriors win some games in the short term, but I’d rather have the Spurs #1 draft pick.


  16. Video of Riley’s press conference from last night.

    • “BlahBlahWoofDoReMiSchmoozDooDooDooNaNaYakYakLaLaLa – That’s enough sound product for you isn’t it?”

      “Yo, Larry, let’s talk again about that Biedrins amnesty thing, alright?”

      “Sorry, gotta go.”

  17. So, here’s my over/under number for Monta’s points scored vs the Warriors: 30. Who says over, who says under? Should be a fun game to watch.


    • Shine on offense, maybe. Shine on defense? Not in a good way. Monta always guarded the best of the league’s PGs because Curry simply can’t. Curry guarding Paul, Parker, Rose, Westbrook, etc., will expose this weakness even more. Stay warm, Nate.

  18. More deadline winners and losers from the blockheaded national media.


    Forget what category they put the Warriors in for a second, just please explain to me how you can evaluate a team without evidently ever watching more than 5-10 minutes of any one of their games on any given day?

    It continues to be so obvious as I scroll through all these articles. In this case the writer briefly (as was everything else he had to say about the Warriors) states that the arrival of Jefferson “complicates the situation between DWright and KThompson.” Say what? Didn’t the trade of Monta “uncomplicate” the situation with KT? Good grief and holy moley. LOL

    • Your thoroughness and dedication at wading through all these stories is to be admired, Steve. Re-posting of the blockheaded national stories, from which we learn nothing, is to be questioned. I vote for re-posting the quality stories while ignoring the garbage in the faint hope that ignoring the blockheads will ultimately cause them to go away. To survive, they need eyeballs (hits, in web parlance). Let’s deprive them of ours.

      • +1

      • “I vote for re-posting the quality stories while ignoring the garbage…”

        MWLX, you realize that if I did that I’d be posting here maybe only once or twice a week? Wait, is that applause I’m hearing off in the distance? :)

        • Actually, I was thinking it might be once a day, but don’t take that as a preference. If you provide a link and tell me it’s a poor story, I’ll just skip it. It’s the links with no “grade” that can be a time-waster. In other words, I respect your opinion and would like to hear it.

  19. Bogut likely out the rest of the season. Not so sure I like reading about any possible Olympics play although getting the rust off before next season has it’s merits if he’s completely healthy and in top shape.


    • Fact: the wonderful Bogut will not reappear this season. It takes more time than that to recover from ankle surgery.

      Fact: the wonderful Bogut may or may not reappear ever.

      An ankle is complicated. Any attempt to repair an ankle is complex, and results are iffy. Under most (not some) conditions, recovering full function is atypical. A 260 pound, 7-foot professional athlete faces worse odds than most.

      Fact: Monta is most likely to continue kicking ass wherever he plays.

      Fact: Signing Udoh, one of the most fundamentally sound big men in the game, was a brilliant move for Milwaukee. When the Bucks’ training staff adds 20 pounds to his lower body he will redefine the role of Center. OK, maybe that’s not quite a fact like the periodic table or whatever, but it seems darn likely.

      Fact: I have no clue whatsoever.

      • Fact: the wonderful Bogut may or may not reappear ever.

        I must admit an inability to challenge this statement.

        Fact: I have no clue whatsoever.

        Another statement that cannot be challenged. One wishes certain other posters would realize this also applies to them. Fortunately, it doesn’t apply to me or Felty.

    • There are only so many 7 footers. Of those, only a small percentage can play at the NBA level with any degree of skill. But of that small percentage, there is still a smaller percentage (how many? a handful in the history of the NBA?) who can play well and stay healthy for an extended period of time. As MWLX points out, being big puts a strain on the body. Wilt was a great athlete–and didn’t have to pound the bodies centers have to day in and day out today. Howard, hardly an exceptionally skilled player, has an extraordinary physique: he can carry his weight and endure.

  20. NY Times article on Lin, but also talks about Woodsen offense strategy of walking up versus D’Antoni up tempo offense.


  21. From the NYT article linked by Mackie@36:

    “Woodson, according to his former associate, will not tolerate many six-turnover games from his point guard.”

    Does this sound familiar? How about this:

    “This is where D’Antoni was so critical to Lin’s success. D’Antoni not only provided the platform, but he also gave Lin the freedom to explore, to create and to make mistakes, to make the aggressive pass and to take the open shot, without fear of reprisal.”

    Warriors followers and Stephen Curry watchers should be intimately familiar with these issues.

    As I believe I highlighted, in my comments on Linsanity — as it was unfolding — in this thread @24:


  22. New York City is in mourning. And especially the NYPost’s Marc Berman. Check out the back page:


    I guess I’m not the only one who could feel so strongly about a change in coaches.

  23. We’ll find out how well Woodson fares with his plan, but we’ll never know what D’Antoni might have done if he had been given free rein and had Melo not returned. I’m guessing the results would be ambiguous at best, but similar–early exits in the playoffs for both teams. But in Woodson’s case, that assumes great performances by Stoudemire and Melo, and I don’t think we’ll see it. The Woodson plan — defense, half-court offense, iso’s with Melo and Stoud — is based on superstars, and Stoudemire and Melo aren’t superstars.

    So where do you cast your odds, spreading them among many players with a flexible, open plan or banking on a pair of players you’ve cast in superstar mold? The latter sounds hit or miss to me, unless those guys are exceptional.

    Someone else will want to argue Woodson would have done better had he coached all year, but here is what I want to argue: D’Antoni would have fared better without Melo and maybe a better piece or two for his plan.

    The question is how this debate might apply to the Warriors. Jerry West gave his specific argument during the Boston game: shooting, quick offense, etc. might get you into the playoffs, but it won’t take you far (shooting tails off, etc.). Defense wins playoffs. But didn’t Dallas disprove that last year (not that their defense was slack)?

    I want to argue that if we had followed a Nelson scheme, with whatever players he might have been able to keep or pick up, we’d get the same ambiguous results we’ll get the next years with the Lacob plan at best: early exit in the playoffs. But the latter assumes, in fact absolutely depends upon, full health for Bogut and stellar performance (I’m assuming Lee will continue to be steady, that we can count on it in either scheme). The Lacob team will not be able to match the talents of the James and Wades and Durants, etc., nor contain the faster, more athletic teams. A Nelson team would stand a better chance of catching those teams off guard, and the odds would be spread among more players since more would be opened up in a fast paced offense. Neither team would have the talent to take them to the last rounds. There just aren’t enough of these guys and they are too hard to get.

    What about the next 2-3 years? Barring extraordinary luck in the draft, the Lacob team is set and won’t be able to change. The cap is maxed, and again, success absolutely depends on Bogut. This team could go south very quickly. A Neslon team, however, would have been more flexible in adapting and making use of available talent. And if it ever got a break in the draft. . . .

    If it were a matter of which teams I’d want to watch, I know where I’d vote, hands down. Dolan and Lacob teams are boring.

    • Postscript:

      I’d be curious to hear how Dolan defended his decision to fire/let go of D’Antoni. Somebody post if you see it?

      • the official version is that D’antoni resigned, so a rationalization might not appear until the summer, if ever. the franchise star simply did not accept how the coach wanted the offense run ; we’ve seen variations of the star vs. coach before, and the the guy with the cheaper, shorter contract who exits.

      • Here’s an unbiased view:

        “D’Antoni’s insatiable appetite for small ball was so addictive, he felt no compunction about minimizing the impact of two stars owed more than $168 million combined in favor of a point guard making less than $1 million. In favor of a system that allowed unknowns to jack up one 3-pointer after another, barely running an offense in the process.”