Joe Lacob’s Big Deal: Monta Ellis and Ekpe Udoh for Andrew Bogut

Golden State grabs 2-guard Klay Thompson (son of Mychal), a pick that has “We’re trading Monta Ellis” written all over it. — Bill Simmons, 2011 Draft Diary, 6-23-2011.

Let’s be real: Klay Thompson has no chance of becoming rookie of the year. Zero. None. Unless of course, Joe Lacob trades Monta Ellis. Does Lacob know something we don’t? — Feltbot, The Klay Thompson Problem, 12-21-2011.

One thing this trade is not is shocking. It’s something we all knew was coming from day one, when Joe Lacob told us that running teams can’t win in the playoffs, that the “architecture” of the team needed fixing, and that the culture needed changing. And that Stephen Curry and David Lee were the core of the Warriors, and Monta Ellis something else.                                       

Over the course of the last two years, the message that Monta was on the way out was delivered continuously, in even the smallest of the Warriors’ decisions.  No effort was ever made to sign the kinds of veteran back-up players that would have given the Warriors core a chance to compete.  Just the opposite in fact: At last year’s trading deadline, the Warriors sole backup center was shipped out for a second round pick.  Lacob wasn’t interested in winning, he was interested in draft picks, the higher the better. And, as he told us, he wasn’t interested in the little deals that could be used to build around the Warriors core. He was hunting a “big deal.”

A big deal involving whom?  There could be only one answer.

When Klay Thompson was drafted — a player who could provide no immediate help to the Warriors as constructed, unlike Markieff Morris, Kawhi Leonard or Kenneth Faried – all pretence that Monta Ellis might remain a Warrior disappeared for good. You could practically hear the clanging of the prison doors opening. Monta Ellis the Warrior was a dead man walking.

Joe Lacob finally got his big deal. The deal that he joyously compared to Kevin Garnett going to the Celtics. “The transcendant deal that changes everything.”

Methodology:  This was one of the most difficult trades I have ever attempted to analyze. That has to do partly with the fact that it involves players of different positions.  Partly that the players involved have all shown signs of greatness, but have never played in ideal systems on good teams. Partly that all are so young, and can be viewed as still developing. Monta Ellis still just 26(!), Ekpe Udoh 24, Andrew Bogut 27.  Partly that Bogut’s injury problems are so concerning.

And a great deal of the difficulty has to do as well with basketball philosophy. If, along with Joe Lacob, you subscribe to the belief that running teams cannot win titles, you will view this trade in a very different light than someone who doesn’t hold that belief. I think everyone already knows what my own thoughts on the subject are. But if you don’t, you certainly will after reading this post.

What I’ve wound up doing is something similar to the way I wrote about the Mark Jackson hire.  Simply looked at the trade from the multitude of different angles that occurred to me. With apologies for the length, and my scattered thoughts, here we go:

The “You Have to Make This Trade” Angle:  We have been hearing a lot that when you have a chance to trade smalls for a legitimate big in the NBA, you absolutely have to do it. Good smalls can be replaced. But big players of Andrew Bogut’s quality are extraordinarily rare. The Warriors had no choice but to do this deal.

But they did have a choice, didn’t they? The Warriors have known since 2009 that Andris Biedrins has developed a chronic condition called Osteitis Pubis, and will never again resemble the player he once was. Joe Lacob had a choice at the beginning of this season. He could have amnestied Andris Biedrins and signed Tyson Chandler or DeAndre Jordan. Signed some veteran backup players. Signed a veteran coach like Rick Adelman — or Mike D’Antoni  – who not only believes in playing up-tempo, but knows how to coach it. And had the Warriors pointed at the top of the Western Conference standings. This season.

Lacob really didn’t want you to think about that, which is why he immediately wasted his amnesty on Charlie Bell, using the cover of his Kabuki Theatre attempt at DeAndre Jordan. And sent his mouthpieces out with a talking point he knew wasn’t true: the resurgence and return to glory of Andris Biedrins.

The outcome of this Warriors trade won’t be clear for some time. But one thing we can be clear on, right now, are the actual reasons that this trade was made. They are not the same reasons currently being spouted by the Warriors brass, and being dutifully regurgitated by the main-stream media.

The reasons are these:

1) Lacob was too cheap… errrr,  financially constrained by his outstanding loan to the league and his investment partners to have eaten Andris Biedrins’ contract;

2) Lacob doesn’t believe running teams can win in the playoffs;

3) Lacob believes in Stephen Curry as a core player, and wants Curry to be the face of the Warriors franchise (something I don’t happen to disagree with); and

4) As a result, Lacob wanted to trade Monta Ellis for a big man, from the very moment he took over the Warriors. And he finally got a taker.

The “The Warriors Finally Have a Legitimate Center!” Angle:  For the first time in 30 years! Since Nate Thurmond! We’ve been hearing a lot about this since the trade went down. The Warriors finally have something they’ve lacked for decades!

They also have something the 1975 World Champion Golden State Warriors lacked. And the Dave Cowens Celtics and Willis Reed Knicks that went through Kareem Abdul Jabbar and Wilt Chamberlain for titles. And the Ben Wallace Pistons that went through Shaq for a title.

Not to mention the 2012 Miami Heat (33-11) and OKC Thunder (34-11).

The “What the Milwaukee Bucks Get” Angle:

1) A playoff run.

Some people always come down on the side of tanking.  In fact, there are fans and members of the media in Milwaukee right now who don’t like this trade because it makes the Bucks better. They would much rather have the Bucks tank into the lottery, than actually watch them play in the playoffs. (These people would have loved the last two Warriors seasons.)

I’m not like that. I love playoff chases. Live for them. Regret every one that slips away, that isn’t chased with fervor, that’s actively tanked. Because you’ll never get that year back. That possibility of seeing individuals transformed by shared desire into teams. That possibility for magic.

I’m the kind of person who feels that when you have a team that is three games out of the eight seed at the trading deadline, there are alternatives to tanking. In the spring of 2007, Don Nelson stood before the media and stated “I have failed as a coach.” And thus was born We Believe.

I’m very glad that season wasn’t tanked.

I like teams that pursue greatness gradually and persistently, without ever blowing themselves up mid-season to get where they’re going. Like Don Nelson’s teams. And Greg Popovich’s teams. Teams that chase the dream, with a process that doesn’t disrespect the fans, who come into every season trying to believe the expectations that are being sold to them. And with a process that doesn’t disrespect the players, like the unnamed Warrior who was quoted in the locker room after the trade: “Does this mean we’re giving up on the season?”

Which team do you feel like watching for the rest of this season? The Milwaukee Bucks or the Golden State Warriors?  Maybe you’re a little bit like me. Maybe a part of you is interested in watching We Believe II, even if it has to be another team.

2) One year of Monta Ellis.

Let’s be clear. Monta Ellis is not going to remain a Buck, and the Bucks know that. Monta has an opt-out in 2013, which he is going to use — in all probability, if I’m reading the tea leaves correctly — to join Dwight Howard.

Which means that Monta Ellis will in all probability be traded by next year’s trading deadline.  For…

3) Draft picks and players.

Add what the Bucks get for Monta next year to this year’s playoff run when calculating the Bucks’ total return.

4) Ekpe Udoh (See The Worst Trade in Warriors History, below).

The “What the Warriors Get” Angle:

1) Another tanked season. (see What the Bucks Get, part one, above.)

2) A statistically significant shot at a lottery pick, in a good year.

3) Richard Jefferson. (More on him below.)

4) The Spurs first round draft pick. It should be noted that the mere act of trading Stephen Jackson to the Spurs should make this pick slightly less valuable, by improving the Spurs record.  Besides being a great player (assuming he’s still got gas in the tank), and a Popovich and Duncan favorite, Jack fills a real need for the Spurs at starting two-guard. His presence will allow Ginobili to come off the bench, and Kawhi Leonard to take Jefferson’s spot at the three.  Two big time stoppers on the wings.

Why do I find the under-the-radar Spurs so intriguing this season?

5) Andrew Bogut.

The Andrew Bogut Angle: I’ll say this in the way I know everyone is looking for from me:  Yes, Don Nelson would have loved having Andrew Bogut.  The 2007-8 version, at any rate. How could he not?  He loved the 2007 Andris Biedrins, didn’t he, called him the second best center he’d ever had after Bob Lanier.

Like the Biedrins of old, Bogut’s calling card has always been his defense. He’s an extraordinary defensive center, one of the very best in the league. Super high IQ. Not only positions himself well, but vocally captains the team, making sure his teammates are positioned correctly as well. Blocks shots. Takes charges. Protects the rim.  Good rebounder. All that good stuff. Just what the doctor ordered for the Warriors.

He’s not quite as good on offense, unfortunately. On the plus side, he’s completely unselfish and a very good passer for a big man.  He has good hands, and has shown some ability in the pick and roll.  Maybe that’s where the Warriors will use him.

But he’s just not very good at generating his own offense. Even in his prime he was not that good. Didn’t run the floor well. Didn’t shoot well. Didn’t play the low post well. Most years, he was barely over 50% shooting, which is very mediocre for a center. And 60% from the free throw line.

And he’s gotten significantly worse on offense as his injury problems have piled up in recent seasons.

Most of the current talk surrounding Bogut’s injuries have to do with the one that’s keeping him off the floor right now: his broken ankle. But that’s not the injury that concerns me.  I’m concerned about that right elbow he shattered in April of 2010.  The one that caused him great pain in 2011, leading to a second surgery. Is it fully healed?

I have my doubts. I have read rumors that he still can’t fully extend that arm. And I note that his shooting percentage dipped to 49.5 after his first surgery, but was all the way down to 44.9 after 12 games in this season, after the second surgery that was supposed to clear up the problem.

44.9% ??? That is an utterly godawful shooting percentage for a center. Some 2012 comparisons: Tyson Chandler 69.4; DeAndre Jordan 62.6; Andris Biedrins 61.4; Kwame Brown 52.5.

We have heard some noises from Gary St. Jean and the Warriors brass about what Bogut can do for the Warriors on offense.  I have some doubts, to put it mildly.  Shoot the 15 footer?  I don’t think so, not any more.  Play the high post?  Bogut is a very good passing big man, but the whole point of the high post is to pull the opposing big man out of the lane.  Can Bogut do that without being able to shoot?

What about the low post? This is where I believe Joe Lacob and Mark Jackson might wind up bitterly disappointed. I think I heard Lacob giving voice in an interview to his vision of Bogut forcing double teams in the low post, and passing out to the Warriors superb three point shooters.

Unfortunately, this vision could prove to be a fantasy. Because Bogut has never really perfected his post moves, which was a big source of frustration for Scott Skiles. And his desire to even play out of the low post waned considerably after his injury, which was another source of frustration. Was it a lack of effectiveness and confidence that kept Bogut out of the low post, or a desire to shield his injured arm? Whichever it was, Warriorsworld.net noted that Bogut was shooting a wretched 36.2% from the low post this season before his ankle injury. Is that kind of efficiency something you want to go to? Something likely to draw double teams?

I’m thinking pick and roll is the answer.  Bogut can catch the pass at the free throw line and thunder for the slam. Or pass to the slashing David Lee. Or feed Dorell Wright and Klay Thompson at the three point line.

That’s a summation of Andrew Bogut as a basketball player. Flawed, yes. But still an upper echelon defensive center who will fill a big need for the Warriors with respect to size, shot-blocking and rebounding.

But can he remain a basketball player?  Can he keep himself on the floor?

The word from the Warriors brass and Bogut himself is that his elbow and ankle injuries were the result of freak accidents, and not indications that he is chronically injury prone.

OK then, what about the stress fracture in his back that caused him to miss 40+ games in 2009? How about that? Caused by a freak accident?

The truth of the matter is that Andrew Bogut IS injury prone. He is susceptible to bone fractures. And those injuries have not only cost him serious time off the court, but have begun to severely limit his production while on the court. And they’ve begun to hurt not just his physical approach to the game, but also his mental approach.

Which brings me back to his relationship with Scott Skiles.  By all accounts, a serious rift opened up between Skiles and Bogut the year after Bogut came back from his first elbow surgery. Bucks’ GM John Hammonds and Skiles apparently felt that Bogut had returned to the team out of shape and was dogging it. Bogut’s version was that he was playing through great pain, and was, well, depressed.

“That was the most frustrating part,” he said. “Then it (affects) you mentally and you’re not as aggressive offensively and then I’d have games where I had three or four points. That was something I was trying to work through during the season that really frustrated me.”

Skiles’ version had a slightly different spin:

“He’s got to improve his post moves, his foot work and his speed up and down the floor,” said Skiles. “He’s got to get in better condition. This was a year that was obviously very difficult on him, trying to come back from that injury and hopefully he can put that all behind him and have a good summer working on his skill set and come back better.”

“He said early in the season that he didn’t think he was going to be 100% all year long and so hopefully this will be it. He’ll have a great summer and come back energized and ready to go.”

The acrimony between the two sides eventually grew so great that they apparently stopped communicating with each other completely. Except in the press, of course. After Bogut had his second elbow surgery, he showed up to a press conference with the removed bone chips in a medical jar, and said, “I wasn’t exaggerating when I said I was in pain.”

Hmmm. An old school coach and a chronically injured center who’s not playing up to expectations. A growing rift, gleefully chronicled in the press, that leads to a firing or a trade.

Does that remind you of anything?

Perhaps I’m being overly pessimistic.  Perhaps it’s not reasonable to look at Bogut’s injury plagued seasons between the ages of 21 and 27, and wonder whether his seasons between the ages of 28 and 34 will be any healthier. Perhaps my mind shouldn’t travel back to the Trailblazers’ purgatory of Walton, and Bowie, and Oden.  Or think about all the other big men in NBA history, who once started down the serious injury path, fell into irreversible decline. Like the one currently stinking up the Warriors’ roster.

Maybe I should tear my eyes away from Bogut’s stats from this season, at the start of which he pronounced himself to be in terrific shape.  44.9% from the field, 8.3 rebounds.

And I should definitely stop thinking about this next section that I’m about to write.

The Worst Warriors Trade in History Angle:  OK, take it easy, I’m just riffing. I am not saying that’s what this trade is. I’m not even going to say that this was a bad trade. It should certainly improve the Warriors in the short term, as it fills one gaping hole in their roster, without creating another. And I’m hopeful it will improve them in the long term, as well. Like every other Warriors fan, I have no real idea how this trade will work out, and I have my fingers crossed.

I do, however, think that there is a small, but nonetheless statistically significant possibility that this trade will turn out so horribly that it will be discussed forever.  Like Robert Parish and Kevin McHale for Joe Barry Carroll.

And because this possibility is on my mind, and for no other reason, I’m going to share my thoughts on it with you. Here are the 5 things that would have to happen for this trade to be viewed in future years as a disaster for the Warriors:

1) The tank doesn’t work, and the Warriors don’t get their lottery pick back.

2) Bogut electrifies next season, earning himself a nice big fat extension, after which his injury problems return, and he re-stiffafies.

3) Monta Ellis decides to become a superstar.

Say what?

Monta Ellis decides to become a superstar. I believe it is within his control. In my opinion, what he needs to do to become a superstar is: 1) Decide to play point guard 2) for a title contender.

Both of these options will be available to him when he opts out after next season. They’ll be made available by Dwight Howard.

When and if that happens, I think Monta will immediately become recognized as one of the top ten players in the league, at any position.

Preposterous? Can’t see it? Just as an exercise, imagine along with me what would happen if you took League MVP Derrick Rose off of the Bulls, and put Monta in his place.

What would happen? In my opinion, not much. I think Monta Ellis is a better shooter, better passer and better defender than Rose. What is Rose better at?  Better handle, perhaps. But then Monta Ellis has needed to force his offense through clogged lanes against triple teams these last few years. Better shot selection? Same answer:  the Warriors have needed Monta to force his offense. And then there’s this curious stat:  Career shooting percentage:  Rose 46.6.  Monta 46.5. Better at getting to the foul line? Yes, 6.3 FTA to Monta’s 5 this season. But does that stay the same when Monta’s playing on a strong 5-man team that must be guarded at every position? When he’s a recognized star on one of the NBA’s darlings?

4) Monta Ellis wins a championship.

Impossible? Don’t tell Dwight Howard, he might want to get some money down with you.

5) Ekpe Udoh becomes an All-NBA defensive player.

Impossible?

Readers of this blog already know what I’ve seen in Udoh.  The genius level hoops IQ, on both sides of the ball. It is clear to me that he’s studied tape of the best defensive centers in the league, as well as the footwork of Hakeem Olajuwon on the offensive end. If he takes to studying a little Dennis Rodman tape, and figures out that undersized rebounding thing, I think his upside is unlimited.

That could be a long shot.  But he is going to spend the next couple of years getting a masters class in rebounding from a couple of undersized studs: MBam and Ilyasova.

What if Ekpe Udoh turns into Ben Wallace on the defensive end? Just to mention one other 6-9″ (some say 6-7″) power forward whom no one believed was a center. Until it was too late.

Maybe I’m out of my head with my opinion of Ekpe Udoh.  But if so, at least I’m in good company. When Bucks GM John Hammond got on the phone with Monta Ellis the night of the trade, Ellis told him:

Ekpe Udoh is a very special player. He might be the steal of this trade.

OK, if you’re a stat phreak and so inclined, multiply the separate probabilities of each of these five things occurring, to reach the final probability that Warriors fans’ minds will be melted in the near future. Just as an intellectual exercise, of course.

The Stephen Jackson for Richard Jefferson Angle: I am a huge and unrepentant fan of Stephen Jackson, as my regular readers know. I won’t go into the reasons here — you can find them in the archives, if interested.

But after reflection, I don’t really mind the Jackson for Jefferson trade. It seems to fit both teams.  The Warriors have committed to Klay Thompson at the two.  There would be no starting role for Jackson here, which wouldn’t sit well with him.  But assuming he can still play, I think he will ultimately become the starting two for the Spurs, with no disruption to their chemistry. Ginobili is comfortable coming off the bench. And Jack will be playing for a title on the Spurs, which is what he lives for.

As for Richard Jefferson, it will be interesting to see who Mark Jackson chooses as his starting small forward.  I used to think Jefferson was a terrific player, back when he was on the Nets.  Ran the floor hard, finished thunderously, defensive stopper.

All of that has diminished considerably, to the point where Pop spent one first round draft pick on his replacement, and another in getting rid of him. But he’s still a pretty decent player. If grossly overpaid.

Weaknesses: Horrible mid-range game, doesn’t pass well, doesn’t rebound as well as DWright. For these reasons I give the starting nod to Wright.

Strengths: Three point shooting, over 40% the last two years. Good defender. Physical size and strength. Versatility.

By versatility, I mean that the Warriors have finally picked up a small-ball spread-four, which is where Pop frequently played him.  At 6-7″ 220+, Jefferson fills the bill.

And fills what has been a glaring need on this Warriors team. Watch what happens with the David Lee pick and roll if Curry returns, and Jefferson is at the four.

And then, of course, there is that second round, err… first round Spurs draft pick.  That will come in handy when filling out the Warriors bench next year.

The Warriors Bench Angle: As I’m sure you noticed, the Warriors have been quite intent on adding draft picks. In addition to the Spurs pick, I believe they outright purchased a low second rounder from the Hawks. And they’re really, really hoping to add one more, of a higher variety.

I’m guessing, that with all the salary they’ve just added, the Warriors plan to stuff their bench with cheap rookies.  Will Nate Robinson and Brandon Rush be re-signed?  I feel that’s highly unlikely at this point.

One of the talking points that Larry Riley has been hitting hard when discussing the trade, is that it proves that Joe Lacob is willing to spend money to win.

Oh really?  I’ll believe that, when and if Lacob goes over the cap to re-sign Rush, add a veteran point guard, and fill the hole left by Udoh’s departure.

The Curry/Ellis Backcourt.  In his post-trade interview, Lacob graciously pointed out that the Curry and Ellis backcourt had never been given a real chance. They had never gotten to play with a legitimate big man to protect them.

What he neglected to mention was that he didn’t believe in the backcourt from the get-go, and was instrumental in denying it the help it needed.

If nothing else, Joe Lacob is a master of the PR game.

The Norm Nixon Angle (aka The Giving the Keys to the Franchise to Stephen Curry Angle):

In his memoir, Jerry West wrote this of his decision to trade Norm Nixon from the Lakers:

We parted company with Norm Nixon, an extremely popular player whom I had coached for two years. (Jack Nicholson not only lobbied me not to trade Norm but wore black in mourning when we did.) …. [T]here was a conflict and it needed to be resolved. Norm wanted to handle the ball as much as possible, but we needed Magic to do that. Magic without the ball was merely Earvin, a Monet without his brush. When Magic was out for a period of time with an injury, it was difficult for Norm to give up the ball when Magic returned. And it was nearly impossible for Norm to prevent his unhappiness from becoming known.

Did Jerry West relate this anecdote to Joe Lacob, and compare the situation to that of Monta Ellis and Stephen Curry?  I think we can safely assume that he did.

And as much as I like to think that Curry and Ellis could have formed a great backcourt together in the mold of Frazier and Monroe, Nash and van Exel, Kidd and Barea and Terry, maybe there was some truth to this angle behind the scenes.

Who knows? Certainly not me, I’m not an insider. I just know that I saw no selfishness on the court between these two players in the last two years. Not a bit.

And no, I’m not wearing black.

The Kwame Brown Angle: One great upside to this trade is that I can finally let the 2-6 Kwame Brown Era go. There is absolutely no reason why those scorch marks on my soul should be permanent, right?

No way Lacob signs him back.  Right?

Right?

The No Excuses Basketball Team Angle:  Another great upside to this trade, at least from my perspective,  is that for the first time in Joe Lacob’s tenure as GM, the Warriors will truly have no excuses to fall back on. There will be no more saying, “Don’t blame me for the sins of the past.”

Starting next year, of course.

The Warriors Identity Angle:  Have the Warriors gone overnight from one of the fastest teams end to end in the NBA, to one of the slowest?  We know what Skiles thought about Bogut’s ability or willingness to run the court.  David Lee is a great running center, but at power forward he’s no barn burner.  Thompson and Curry in the backcourt — not fast.

OK, so they’re going to win games with their defense, right? Bogut in the middle — great. DWright and Jefferson at the three — good. What about the other three positions? What about that Curry — Thompson backcourt?

See, the thing about that Mark Jackson — Reggie Miller backcourt?  It was backed up by Rik Smits, the Davis brothers and Derrick McKey. Defensive monsters, all. Are David Lee and Dorell Wright/Richard Jefferson made in that same mold? Or are they a different kind of basketball player, requiring a different, more up-tempo kind of system in order to thrive?

What will the Warriors hang their hat on next season?  It won’t be the running game, certainly. I sincerely doubt it will be the low post game. And their defensive identity is far from certain — especially against the running teams like the Heat and Thunder, that currently rule the league.

I’m as curious as anyone to see what Mark Jackson cooks up for our no excuses basketball team. Because it’s a little hard to visualize at the moment.

The Mark Jackson Angle:  What do you do when you have a superb running team, and a coach who has no idea how to use it? Well, you can do what the TWolves and the Trailblazers did, and fire the coach.  Or you can do what Joe Lacob just did, and fire the team.

This trade just might have turned an incompetent NBA coach into a competent one, overnight.  Mark Jackson certainly knows everything in the world there is to know about walking the ball up the court and feeding Rik Smits and Patrick Ewing in the low post.

There’s only one problem with that:  Andrew Bogut in the low post is not the same thing as Rik Smits or Patrick Ewing. Not even close.

I hope Mike Malone can draw up something good for us.

Feltbot’s Angle: I simply don’t know how to pronounce a final judgement on this trade. I’ve layed out what I think are its basic themes. But it’s beyond my capacity to go much further than that. Maybe it will turn out great.

I can say with certainty, though, how this trade has affected me on a personal level: I once had a dream about this Warriors team, and that dream is now dead.

It lasted about a month. It began when Nellie drafted Ekpe Udoh, and traded for David Lee, and scooped up Dorell Wright for peanuts. And visions of the league’s next great running team started filling my mind. A team so fast end-to-end, so highly skilled, so beautiful to watch, that it would inspire a name. Showtime. RunTMC. 7 Seconds or Less. We Believe.

It ended when Joe Lacob bought the Warriors.

Since that moment, I guess I’ve been pretending that it was still alive. Or advocating for it, at any rate, while it still had a pulse. But it never had a pulse. And I knew that, in my heart.

Like Monta Ellis, my dream was a dead man walking.

This trade has brought me back to the real world. The world where Don Nelson and Mike D’Antoni are out of jobs.

And venture capitalists are the GMs.

203 Responses to Joe Lacob’s Big Deal: Monta Ellis and Ekpe Udoh for Andrew Bogut

  1. Wow…this one’s like the mother of all feltbot posts. Took me 30 minutes just to scroll to the bottom.

    Okay, guess I should actually read it. Back to the top I go!

  2. “I like teams that pursue greatness gradually and persistently, without ever blowing themselves up mid-season to get where they’re going. Like Greg Popovich’s teams.”

    FLAT OUT LIE.

    The Spurs tanked so they could Tim Duncan and Greg Popovich’s fires the coach and replaces him with himself. CLASSY

  3. Feltbot’s Angle: I simply don’t know how to pronounce a final judgement on this trade. I’ve layed out what I think are its basic themes. But it’s beyond my capacity to go much further than that. Maybe it will turn out great.

    I can say with certainty, though, how this trade has affected me personally: I once had a dream about this Warriors team, and that dream is now dead.”

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    Felt, I’m sorry your dream died. My dream? For the Warriors to become one of the powers of the NBA and win multiple NBA titles. As a Warriors fan of over 40 years, who’s watched far more ineptness than competence during that time, that’s what my dream is. And I don’t care about style points (although who doesn’t enjoy run-and-gun hoops) or schemes, just win, baby.

    It’s obvious that a sizeable number of regular Feltbot bloggers aren’t big fans of the new ownership group/team, or more specifically, Joe Lacob and Mark Jackson. And the A number one reason seems to be the fact that Nelli Ball was given it’s final and ultimate burial by the same person who hired Mark Jackson, Joe Lacob. End result = pox on both Lacob and Jackson.

    Forget the fact that Don Nelson is now 71, and frankly, looked much older than that when “TV’d” during games and postgame press conferences in his last year with the Warriors. It was time to make a change, yet the locals don’t seem obliged with the idea. Nelli Ball, forever! Unfortunately, nothing lasts forever, all good things must come to an end, here today gone tomorrow, etc etc. For better or worse, it’s time to turn the page and let these new guys do their thing. Sorry, as much as I loved watching the Warriors play under Nelli all those years, my desire as a fan to be optimistic and cheer on the new regime to better days and higher highs outweighs all the sentiment involved in seeing Nelli walk out the door for the final time.

    Back in 1989 Jerry Jones, who made all his money in oil, and whose only football background was as a nondescript college player, bought the Dallas Cowboys, fired icon and HOF coach Tom Landry, and replaced him with a college coach with zero NFL experience, Jimmy Johnson. And after Dallas went 1-15 in their first season with the new owner/coach, it would be safe to say that the pessimists and doomsayers were in full throat in Big D. Six years and many trades and draft picks later, the Cowboys finished a run that saw them win 3 Super Bowls in 4 years on their way to being Team of the 90′s in the NFL. While something like that rarely occurs, it wasn’t totally luck and happenstance. Jones surrounded himself with extremely intelligent football people, and the subsequent trades (Herchel Walker and Charles Haley) along with some great drafts (Aikman, Emmitt Smith) all helped build a great football team.

    I’m not saying the at-that-time neophyte Jerry Jones and his eventual success will mirror what happens here with Joe Lacob, but there are similarities, and as a fan of the Warriors, I’d much rather spend my time these days thinking those kinds of thoughts as opposed to subconsciously hoping for the worst in an almost masochistic desire to one day shout “I told you so!”.

    As I posted last night, despite the Warriors being without Curry for so many games, breaking in a rookie (KT) slowly but surely, having one of their better players from last season (DW) be in the “deep freeze” for most of the first half of the seaon, getting killed on the defensive boards (never a good thing for your offense and fast break) nightly, and playing in a new system for new coaches, GSW is leading their division in scoring. Yes, the Dubs, with all these negatives, are outscoring Kobe and the Lakers, Chris Paul and the Clippers, and Steve Nash and the Suns, not to mention 27 other teams in the league.

    For the life of me, other than it’s not “Nelli Ball”, I can’t grasp the thought of this offense being gummed up, boring and inefficient. Even with those dreadful few games after the AS break the Warriors are averaging just under 100 pts per game, and circa 2012, that’s pretty darn good.

    The reasons for the losing record are twofold, rebounding and health, which, if you’re optimistic, should be remedied by the recent trade and Father Time, as in the 2012-13 season. The only alternative I can think of is to start pulling for another team, and for me, that ain’t happening. Go Joe Lacob! Go Golden State Warriors!!

    • I completely agree with Steve. He is one of the few people who actually get it on here. The ultimate goal is to win an NBA Title. Nelly Ball was never going to get it done.

    • For better or worse, it’s time to turn the page and let these new guys do their thing. Sorry, as much as I loved watching the Warriors play under Nelli all those years, my desire as a fan to be optimistic and cheer on the new regime to better days and higher highs outweighs all the sentiment involved in seeing Nelli walk out the door for the final time.

      Thanks, Steve.

    • This is the same Jerry Jones who fired Jimmy Johnson, right? And since then, Dallas, in spite of all its money, in spite of all its organization and top down management, or more likely because of those, has done how well? The comparison, I fear, Steve, is apt.

      • rgg, if 6 years from now Joe Lacob fires Mark Jackson after the Warriors have won multiple NBA titles I sure as heck won’t be an unhappy fan or look back on new management as having failed. To say otherwise, for me, or from any other so-called Warriors fan, would be the height of lunacy and outright insanity given the history of the Warriors franchise here in the Bay Area.

        And only in my wildest dreams could I imagine Lacob being as successful as Jerry Jones. No, Dallas hasn’t won a Super Bowl since the 1995 season but the Pittsburgh Steelers, who lead the pack in Lombardi trophies won, went 26 years without winning another SB once their great teams of the 70′s faded away and never once over that period of time did I hear or read anyone suggest the Rooneys were no longer competent or incapable of producing a championship caliber product for their fans.

        Even without winning another SB since ’95 Jerry Jones did manage to get the most amazing edifice on the face of this planet built (Cowboys Stadium), and now owns an incredibly valuable asset:

        AP) – The Dallas Cowboys are the NFL’s most valuable franchise at $1.85 billion, according to Forbes magazine’s annual survey.

        That also gives the Cowboys the highest worth of any U.S. team, and makes them second only to Manchester United of the English Premier League, valued at $1.9 billion, among franchises worldwide.”

        To intimate that Jones hasn’t done well because he hasn’t won X-number of games or championships since the mid-90′s makes as much sense as dumping on the Rooneys for their SB drought of over a quarter of a century.

        If Joe Lacob ever turns the Warriors into a franchise that even remotely resembles the Dallas Cowboys in terms of overall success and value, Warriors fans should and I’m sure would be ecstatic.

  4. The Warriors purchased a 2nd Round Pick from the Atlanta Hawks not the Nets.

  5. White Hate – Like I said and Felty pointed out Monta will be a FREE AGENT after next season “Both of these options will be available to him when he opts out after next season.”

    • Oh yes. In the future, more than 100 games and one year away, Monta Ellis will be permitted to announce his intention to ask for a new contract.

      I bow to your perspicacity, my friend.

      • “I bow to your perspicacity, my friend.”

        white hat, feltbot already sent me running for my Merriam’s and now you. Yes, I already forgot what the damn word meant. Copycat! :)

  6. Great post, Feltbot.
    I think that one aspect people miss when they dismiss Nellie-ball as not a style that can win a championship is that there are (normally) 82 games in a season. As a fan, I’m not only watching that last championship game, I’m watching all of the games before that, and trying to figure out that “game within a game” that all successful coaches play, and that you on this blog describe so well.

    In this age of NBA online, you can realistically be a fan of any team you want. The thing that drew me to the Warriors was not location, but unorthodoxy. Watching a team playing fast is a lot more interesting than watching a team walk it up. Trying to win not just by brute force but by changing the rules of the game is a story that really appealed to me. It’s apparent that this story is over now for the Warriors.

  7. The thing I took away is Monta…Having watched him for seven years, and realizing he is better than many with better pub…namely Derrick Rose (make no mistake DRose is a stud too), that he go to a truly good team, and shine.

    Dang, I hope you are right, it will be wonderful to watch him florish with a big man. And show his superior distribution skills. Hopefully DeeWight will wait, and Monta will stay health.

    If only the Mercury News had a sports (hell even a political!) writer, with your analytical and writing skills, more people might enjoy basketball. Many fans don’t appreciate the NBA is much about personnel match ups (more than any other sport I can think of), and that coaching is not only about the “Xs and Os, Jimmy and Joes”, but puting your players in a position to succeed.

    While many of the managers of these players are playing checkers, others are playing chess to use an overused analogy…

    Thanks a bunch FB.

  8. I love your posts and this is one of the best. Awesome writing and well thought out. I’m a long time Warriors fan but the Lacob era is gradually pushing me away. The day the music died…

    • @Steve LOL! If only Curry’s health problem were this simple! I’ve rolled my ankle so many times playing it ain’t funny. Here’s to hoping Curry can get his ankle healthy for next season.

      Curry – like in the Nixon/Magic comparison – will likely take his game to the next level sans Ellis. People who didn’t see the friction between the two players – have blinders on and see what they want to see. Curry deferred and this wasn’t a good thing. This was Ellis’ team and now it’s Curry’s team. And Curry has amazing skills too… I’m waiting to be amazed!

  9. Last year Bill Simmons wrote an excellent piece about a fan’s perspective on the Celtics trading Perkins.

    http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/page2/story?page=simmons/110225/part2&sportCat=nba

    There are some parallels with the Warriors trading Monta.

  10. Awsome article Feltbot.

    Just found this site and very impressed by your writing, clarity of thought and thorough research. Wish I’d stumbled upon it earlier.a

    No matter how Bogut turns out, this cannot go down as one of the ‘worst’ trades for the following reasons.

    1) Monte is not highly thought of by GM’s around the league who spend 80 hrs per week watching film in some dark room and having huge highly experienced scouting staffs. The verdict on Ellis is that he’s a one-dimensional player who plays very poor D, doesn’t make players around him better, clogs the offense and isn’t the teamamte people think he is.

    Many Warriors fans when judging Monte have substituted emotion for logic and have a history of overrating their players. Once you get so used to hamburger its hard to recognize filet mignon.

    2) Udoh doesn’t have the ceiling people assume. If you follow Hollinger’s per ratings, players who are 24 usually are almost always what they are in terms of predicting future performance.

    3) If Bogut does get injured, it will put the Warriors in the position they should have been the last 20 years. So bad they will at some point get a franchise player (Durant, Paul, etc) as Golden State will not attract franchise players through free agency.

    The definition of insanity is doing something the same way over and over without different results. The Warriors main problem over the last 20 years isn’t that they were but they weren’t bad enough. They were stuck in the ‘not good enough to make the playoffs’ nor bad enough to get 1 through 4 lottery picks with the exception of 2 drafts. You usually get the Petruis’s and Beidrins of the draft with the 8 through 13 picks.

    I would much rather the Warriors truly suck for 3 or 4 years (a la Oklohoma City model) than exist in the current middle ground the team has been perpetually in for the last 20.

    A note on Lacob..

    Why does he continually make team forcasts tha are wrong……
    Saying you are going to make the playoffs when anyone who knows the game knows you won’t, saying you will attract frachise calliber free agents and then admitting you can’t and saying players who haven’t played a game yet will be great (Bogut) putting undo pressure on the player and the fanchise.

    Doing that has the following effect:
    1) fans distrust you
    2) puts undo expectations on players and franchise
    3) makes you look incompetent

    I like Lacob as he is a ‘big’ and I mean big upgrade over Cohan. He’s bright, motivated, hires smart people and is willing to spend money. But is it troubling that he has not learned from his mistakes. Talk to your PR people Joe.

    • A note on Lacob….fans distrust you…makes you look incompetent

      In light of last night’s boofest, it’s clear your statements are true for a large number of fans. To be fair, it was a minority of fans in the arena who were booing, but they’re paying customers and they were loud and angry.

      As a former PR-type person, I’m pleased to hear your suggest that Lacob listen to his PR people. CEOs often think they’re above that until the sand hits the fan. It’s hard to know whether Lacob ignored his PR people this time, or whether he listened and they gave him poor advice, but he needs to learn from this or else plan on creating two new staff positions: 1) Dentist, to periodically remove the foot lodged in his mouth; 2) Cosmetician, to remove the chronic egg on his face.

      • I think Lacob does listen to his PR people lately. Particularly after the boo-fest and blogger- gate. I reached that conclusion when I heard him include fans who pay their cable bill among those with a right to an opinion.

        Thanks Goose, and welcome to the blog.

        • I’ve seen reports that the Warriors staff was stunned by the boofest. This shouldn’t happen. Any PR person not living in a bubble should have foreseen that a public appearance by Lacob, especially after the Monta trade, could produce mixed reactions. As Simmons wrote, there are 60 historical reasons why fans might boo at the slightest opportunity.

          Lacob’s later appearances on talk shows and interviews suggests he’s open and receptive, which are qualities that any PR person would embrace. No doubt the PR people helped facilitate his appearances. But the PR mistake of not evaluating the organization’s vulnerabilities, and anticipating possible negative reactions, was substantial.

  11. Impressive feltbot…great read, very well thought out & heart felt, you’ve covered all the angles.

    Could nit-pic a couple thoughts like Lacob was hell bent on trading Monta from the gitgo…I’ve read he offered either Monta or Steph in the deal. And Nellie “loving” Andris (’07 or ever), think more like he tolerated him…we all know how Nellie liked to pull everyones chain with his comments & was proud of it.

    But as much as this was a balanced analysis of the trade, I took away from it that it was more of your treatise for your love of the game & how you feel it should be played. And now a key ingredient of that style is gone. I know I had similar feelings when Matt Williams was traded & the Giants headed in a new direction.

    When you say, “I simply don’t know how to pronounce a final judgement on this trade.” Who does, but I say there’s more hope now after the trade than the status quo to nowhere before the trade…I’m all in on the risk & reward.

    Again good job…

  12. Beautiful, Feltbot, and I hope this isn’t a swan song.

  13. Lacob has brought change, not hope; platitudes and simplistic thinking instead of vision. And he has not brought a defining player, but rather one that a lesser team found dispensable.

    Riley set the benchmark for evaluating the team the other day: do we want to keep being 3 games under at the All Star break?

    But this season was not a wash. There were many excellent wins and many very close games. Then factor in Curry’s health. Then factor in games lost because of coaching failures, certainly one or two. Then factor in a few simple and affordable moves at the outset that might have compensated for center and bench problems rather than banking on the two big ‘n talls.

    The benchmark should be set much higher.

    Landing a decent center (Chandler) would set it even higher, but maybe that was out of range. My point is that not much had to be done to give the team better results this year and offer a better chance for the future.

    I’m making excuses, you say. Wait until you hear Lacob’s excuses next year.

    • I say……..”I’d much rather spend my time these days thinking those kinds of thoughts as opposed to subconsciously hoping for the worst in an almost masochistic desire to one day shout “I told you so!”.”

      and you say…….”I’m making excuses, you say. Wait until you hear Lacob’s excuses next year.”

      And the beat goes on. LOL

  14. Waitl nexier. OK, alright, whatever. I’m a Warriors fan.

    What? You say that nexier we get a team with:

    • A part-time point guard playing horrible defense (a history of chronic injuries, no backups currently signed, no proven veteran backup possible under the salary cap)
    • The team’s leading big man playing extensive minutes (no backups currently on board, no proven veteran backups possible under the salary cap)
    • A center with an extensive injury history (2 backups; a cripple and a puppy)
    • A 2nd year 2 guard (no backups signed) with weaker defense than his predecessor (ask yourself if Thompson will shut down Paul, Rose, Wade and DWill, as Monta did this season.)
    • A finger-pointing dolt for a coach.

    I’m a fan, I’d like to be optimistic, but gee, I don’t know about this.

    Is nexier’s Bogut really going to be a better all-round defender than nexier’s Udoh? He might hold up better against the goliaths in the league (or not?). He’ll probably rebound better. But he’s not as mobile so he won’t play help D as well, and he blocks fewer shots/minute than Udoh. And Thompson will send more open scorers his way than Monta sent Udoh. Does that add up a net gain?

    How about team flexibility? As of last week the Warriors roster provided options to go big or small, fast or slow. They had two complete lineups which could each score and defend effectively, depending entirely on matchups. The combination of talent proved they could beat anybody when they approached the game with the right strategy. It depended entirely on getting the right matchups, the kind of thing a real coach could accomplish in his sleep – and even a Mark Jackson could occasionally stumble across.

    Unless the FO changes their stance on exceeding the salary cap, nexier the team is effectively salary-locked in to just one game plan. There will be no skill-and-speed driven smallball to attack big lumbering teams. There will be no high-quality 2nd quarter changeups. The 2nd team will necessarily consist entirely of rookies and low cost league leftovers. No Udoh, no Thompson-off-the-bench. Also no Rush, Nate or Dom.

    Can nexier’s team win more when they enter games with only one possible game plan? If the team is predicting victory based on size, at the moment we’re still below the league average even with Bogut on board. And if the team is predicting victory base on skill and speed, we just took a huge step backward.

    I still think the trade could be a winning move, but only if the team is prepared to bite the bullet and exceed the salary cap. If they don’t do that, they’re going to run with a very weak bench, made even weaker with the unavoidable inclusion of Biedrins. Extensive minutes for the starting 5, and no alternative game strategies for attacking teams whose bigs are bigger or better than ours.

    What does Big Chief Accountant have to say about all this? Not a damn thing. At the moment he seems to be hoping we’ll all simply buy into the notion that Bogut is the only answer this team needs. As fans we can only hope he doesn’t really believe that. In other words, our best hope is that he’s lying to us.

    Meet the new boss. Rah go team.

    • “Unless the FO changes their stance on exceeding the salary cap, nexier the team is effectively salary-locked in to just one game plan.”

      “What does Big Chief Accountant have to say about all this? Not a damn thing. At the moment he seems to be hoping we’ll all simply buy into the notion that Bogut is the only answer this team needs. As fans we can only hope he doesn’t really believe that. In other words, our best hope is that he’s lying to us.”

      white hat, I must have been out of town when “Big Chief Accountant” told Warriors fans that in trying to improve the team and turn them into long term winners his financial commitment would be limited to a certain figure or “monetary line in the sand”. When, exactly, did this occur?

      The huge misnomer concerning previous ownership (Chris Cohan) was his supposed reluctance to spend money. The Warriors threw obscene amounts of money, over and over again, at players that were never “difference makers”. From Adonal Foyle to Derek Fisher, Troy Murphy, Mike Dunleavy, Stephen Jackson, the list, unfortunately, is way too long. And that doesn’t even count the failed attempts at players such as Gilbert Arenas and Elton Brand, just to name two. Cohan’s problem was never his frugalness, it was the money he spent on the so-called “basketball minds” who recommended those buffonish $$ attempts to improve his team.

      Now, here we go again with the “money is a problem” theme. LOL If they had offered more money to players like Chandler and Jordan I’d be more worried than satisfied. Either player would have made this team better but to start throwing more and more money at either wouldn’t have made fiscal sense, especially considering that both are closer to being role players than stars. You can even make the argument that given this past offseason’s weak free agent class the Warriors went overboard in doing what they did in regards contract offers. Or would you prefer to see the “Adonal Foyle days” live on?

      What determines the eventual success or failure of new ownership won’t be how much they spend but instead whom and what they spend it on.

      BTW, I’ve never been more embarrassed for a large group of people than I was tonight for the crowd at Oracle once Lacob tried to conclude the Mullin ceremonies. That was classless and sad.

  15. Heartfelt piece Feltbot!
    Two significant, healthy, contributing starters for the injured and malcontent – is ancillary beauty of this trade is – IT’S IN THE TANK.

    Should the tank be successful – the best player in this deal – may not be Bogut/Ellis/Jackson/Ekpe – but a lottery draft pick – or whatever the W’s Front Office can parlay in barter (package or salary dump).

    The new regime has it’s opportunity to prove it’s case and I’m actually very excited.

    I listen for Jerry West – I think he provides the big picture for this franchise. When he says the Warriors need size on the front line and doesn’t know if the backcourt will work, it’s only a matter of time. When he openly questions Ellis’ size at the 2, then recommends to draft a large skilled 2, and the rookie can really play,… Lastly, West reiterated he’d like a lottery draft pick – to select or package for a veteran – then I’m fully expecting a tank.

    Tanks can and do work (see San Antonio Spurs – who are nearing the end of the Duncan/Robinson Era). Now Popovich is a good coach, but I assure you – not a lot of thinking was involved in the selection of consensus number 1′s – and a good CYO coach could get a frontcourt of Duncan/Robinson – to the NBA Semi’s. Even when tanks don’t work, they somehow do (Celtics recent championship season).

    RE: Bogut’s injury history – No, Bogut’s injuries are not chronic. Bucks fans are likely thinking the same thing about Ellis’ ankle and Ekpe’s broken wrist. Interestingly, for all the grief about Bogut’s injury history (missed games) – Ellis and Ekpe have missed an eerily similar percentage of NBA games as has Bogut… Do the math, I did!

    • The missing games comparison between Ellis and Bogut is not real and Im ready for Fitz/St Jean to repeat it. Deduct the 57 games Monta lost from moped, self induced. Bogut gets injured playing hoops. I assume Monta wont again crash a moped until his playing days are over. Apples and Oranges.

      • @Frank – Good to see you!

        Yes – No doubt, I was stretching my point! LOL!

        My point and undeniable fact: Monta and Ekpe have also missed plenty of games in their careers due to injury. That’s it.

        Bogut’s elbow injury was a freak accident as well. At least he defended the shot and finished the dunk! LOL! Here’s the link:

        • Hi PeteyBrian
          Yes, it was a cheap play by Stoudemire. A little push in the back as Bogut went up for a sure dunk. Tragic and worse than most flagrant fouls.

          that Amare would not like done to himself. Let’s hope the injuries come in bunches and Bogut is through until after he returns to Australia!

  16. Since the trade isn’t going to be undone, I hope simply that Jefferson is going to regain his past form, the rookies will flourish given all the extra available minutes and however this season turns out, Warriors fans care enough to keep blogging and exchanging ideas about the present and future. Feltbot’s website and the other Warriors sites prove we have an incredible fanbase. That alone makes it likely the finances will be there to fuel the future transactions.

    I love Purvis Short, Larry Smith and Sleepy Floyd as much in 2012 as I did in the mid-80s. I want the Warriors to become a dynasty as much as the next guy but for today, I can root for the current roster, root for Monta and Ekpe in the East and get on the ‘Net every morning to see what Feltbot’s take was.

    If dubious moves by Warriors management were enough to get me to stop watching and caring, I wouldn’t be composing this message.

    Go W’s! Shake off the doldrums Andris! Hit the boards Lee! Control the dribble Jenkins! Set the screens for Klay everybody else!

    And to Chris Mullin: bring us some luck and remind us that everybody can change and improve themselves if they want to bad enough.

  17. feltmeister, thanks for the (conditional) obituary. Karl’s Den team might give you the most satisfaction in continuing to appreciate the Nelson legacy. when they realized their recent re-signing of hilario set their future in the wrong direction, they made a decisive correction and capitalized on the desperate situation in DC.

    • You’ve read my mind, Moto. Check out my last tweet. Although I think letting Nene go had a lot to do with the their huge desire to get Wilson Chandler back under contract, I think JaVale McGee could be a very interesting piece in Karl-ball. What a fantastically deep and versatile running team they have. They have 20 games to get it together.

  18. JJ Hickson to sign with Warriors. The guy the cavs once refused to trade for Amare has been cut by the Kings after fielding no trade interest.

    Interesting development.

  19. Lacob booed off the court at Mullin’s jersey retirement. And here I was thinking there would be nothing left to write about this season.

  20. That’s it – Nellie blessed the trade on TV. He said 6’3″ SG’s don’t cut it – and questioned what was Milwaukee thinking? LOL!

    • PeteyB, at least that proves Nelli wasn’t one of the brainless boo-birds.

    • How ironic! Nelson’s most successful and longest coaching stint was Milwaukee. Milwaukee plays against the Dubs in Monta’s first game back. Bad timing for Lacob that is for sure.

      Feltbot, since Monta was sure to checkout of Milwaukee, wouldnt he have checkout of Golden State if he stayed? For this year anyway, the wheels have fallen off the cart.

    • He also agreed Monta too small as a 2 (he did say this while coaching monta and said he needs to be pt guard).

  21. Transcript of postgame interview with Lacob (from TK).

    ——————————————–

    Q: Were you surprised to get booed like that?

    -LACOB: Wouldn’t you be?

    -Q: Yes, I was surprised.

    -LACOB: Yeah.

    -Q: Did it make you mad?

    -LACOB: No. No. Look, fans are upset, I guess, that we traded one of their favorites and that’s all I can attribute that to.

    What I feel bad about is it kind of ruined a night that was very special, that the organization really tried to do the right thing for with Chris. And I feel good that we did that.

    I feel bad for Chris, more than anything else.

    -Q: What did you think of Mullin coming to stand up for you, and Rick Barry, too?

    -LACOB: I think he’s a helluva guy. And same thing with Rick Barry. I have tremendous respect for them for doing that. I think it was a really classy thing to do.

    -Q: Did you think about not speaking, or maybe not speaking after Mullin? Do you think the order was messed up and that helped lead to the response?

    -LACOB: No. I think we were just trying to do the right thing. I don’t think we anticipated that reaction, but it happened.

    When you buy an NBA team, stuff like this happens. You have to have a thick skin.

    -Q: Can you figure out why this happened?

    -LACOB: Your guess is as good as mine, I’ll let you guys comment on all that. Obviously, probably has something to do with the recent trade and some of the fans being upset with that.

    But I think that they will love us, the ownership group, that is, when we win. And we will win.

    -Q: You showed some strength going back out to your seat after halftime. Did you think about not going back?

    -LACOB: I’m not going to let a few boos get me down, and I don’t expect a few boos to get our team down.

    I think everybody has to stay tough, these are tough times, we’re going to go out there and we’re going to compete and we’re going to win.

    And that’s my job as an owner, too, we’re going to do everything we have to do. Not going to let a few boos stop us.

    I obviously think whoever was booing is incorrect in their assumptions, but we’ll just let time heal all wounds. Winning will solve all things.

    -Q: Were you reminded of Cohan getting booed at the All-Star Game?

    -LACOB: To be honest with you, I don’t think about the past. Think about the future. That’s all there is to it.

    -Q: When you’re standing there, what are you thinking?

    -LACOB: Hoping they would stop, so that I could get the nice words out that we had prepared for Chris. They didn’t want to stop. So I just waited.

    -Q: What did Mullin say to you before he told the crowd to have faith?

    -LACOB: Probably best not to be shared. He was upset. He was upset with the situation.

    -Q: Why are the fans incorrect about their assumption?

    -LACOB: I’m just saying that I think we did the right thing to prepare our team to win going forward and we have our resolve. We know it was the right thing to do.

    I think a lot of the fans will see that as time goes on–those that are upset.

  22. TK on tonight at The Oracle.

    ————————————–

    It started as a growl–probably a few dozen fans, intent on booing Warriors co-owner Joe Lacob as he finished off the ceremony to retire Chris Mullin’s jersey number.

    Just a growl. Loud, unruly, but not overwhelming.

    Then Lacob started to talk–and the boos got louder and angrier.

    Then Lacob stopped talking and frowned… and the boos built and built and kept going… Then he said “now that we’ve got that over with…” the boos cascaded on him and kept cascading…

    Until some kind of Warriors history was made.

    By the time Chris Mullin walked back to center court, hugged Lacob and urged the “best fans in the league” to channel their passion towards positivity–and to have faith in Lacob’s new regime–it turned into theater.

    When Rick Barry grabbed the mike to lecture the fans about “class,” that was the night venturing far into the greater reaches of infamy.

    It will never be forgotten–surely not by Lacob, not by Mark Jackson, not by the Warriors staffers who all seemed stunned, not by the handful of players who were on the court at the time.

    It will be filed away like the time Chris Cohan was mercilessly booed off the same court during the 2000 All-Star Game.

    And though it surely wasn’t the intent of the hundreds or thousands fans who were doing the booing, this night shapes up as a stand or fall moment for Lacob.

    Either he has the stuff to move past this sea of rage, and beat it back… or he doesn’t.

    Cohan didn’t have anything close to the stuff to survive that. The crowd decided that it’s time for Lacob to show it now.

    “Obviously, probably has something to do with the recent trade and some of the fans being upset with that,” Lacob said after the game.

    “But I think that they will love us, the ownership group, that is, when we win. And we will win.”

    The initial indication: Lacob did just fine. He didn’t quail. He got visibly mad, but he didn’t duck for cover. He went back out to his courtside seat in the second half. He kept clapping and cheering for all to see.

    He was joking about it not long after the game. Heroic? No. But stern and determined.

    OK, yes, Lacob probably shouldn’t have chosen that moment to speak; he was again grabbing center stage when it was better left to others, and I believe that led to some of the crowd’s anger.

    But Lacob didn’t deserve THAT treatment–he’s not Cohan, and if fans were torturing him for the Monta Ellis, he really didn’t deserve that, because it’s a good far-sighted trade.

    “I’m not going to let a few boos get me down, and I don’t expect a few boos to get our team down,” Lacob said.

    “I think everybody has to stay tough, these are tough times, we’re going to go out there and we’re going to compete and we’re going to win.

    “And that’s my job as an owner, too, we’re going to do everything we have to do. Not going to let a few boos stop us.

    “I obviously think whoever was booing is incorrect in their assumptions, but we’ll just let time heal all wounds. Winning will solve all things.”

    After the game, Mark Jackson gritted his teeth and said this will only make Lacob work harder to win, and make the Warriors organization more determined to back him up.

    “Can’t wait,” Jackson said when asked about his reaction to the booing of Lacob. “Knowing him, knowing his commitment, knowing his passion… the day is going to come where he’s truly appreciated around here.

    “I’ve been around a lot of owners and a lot of teams and the guy is all about winning and putting forth the best possible production…

    “I am totally convinced that he is committed to winning here. And the reaction will not deter him from doing what he’s promised and what he’s committed to.”

    As Lacob said, this was supposed to be night to celebrate Mullin, and it was, after all, Lacob who made it happen.

    He’s a better owner than Cohan. He’s out in front, he’s out in the spotlight. He loves the spotlight.

    So Lacob’s headline grabbing has gotten the attention of thousands of fans, that we know. They don’t like it, or didn’t respond positively tonight.

    He knows that now. His whole regime now rests on how he reacts–how steady he is, how resilient he is, how smart he is, and how quickly he makes fans regret this night.

    Or not.
    Some more reactions…

    -MARK JACKSON/

    “You know, pulling the trigger on a Monta Ellis trade is not an easy trigger to pull,” Jackson said. “But we understood that it was a play that put us in position where the future’s awfully bright…

    “We’re going to keep on battling. Knowing him and knowing everything he’s done since the first day I met him, I couldn’t boo him.”

    Was this the wrong time and place for such a response? “It was a great night,” Jackson said. “At the end of the day, this night would not have been possible if it wasn’t for Joe Lacob…

    “It was a lot of fun and a great experience for me to be out there and witness Chris Mullin and his jersey going up into the rafters.”

    More Jackson: “I understand the passion of the fans,” Jackson said. “I totally understand it. But there is a game plan. And if you sit back and look at it, you know that it’s a heckuva game plan. And you appreciate it.”

    –DAVID LEE: “It definitely showed our fans’ passion,” Lee said. “It’s frustrated for the players as well as the fans right now, and we made a trade which is, in my opinion, there was the reaction.

    “We made a trade that’s not going to help us this year. It’s going to help us next year when Andrew Bogut gets back and to a lot of people that’s frustrated–fans I’ve talked to. And you know what, it’s frustrating to the players. We’ve lost four in a row…

    “But that was the decision that was made and I think fans are going to think Andrew Bogut’s an unbelievable player next year and probably will be cheering at this point next year.”

    –Can Joe take this? “That’s part of being the man in charge,” Lee said. “Fans and players and coaches and whoever else are going to have their opinions–and media. And you’re in the public spotlight and have to face that criticism or praise depending on how things work out.

    “If Andrew Bogut comes back and plays like the Andrew Bogut I’ve played against in the Eastern Conference for years, we’re going to have an unbelievable season next year and this will all be forgotten.”
    —TOM TOLBERT, who was sitting on court for the ceremony/

    “Look, when you’re an owner, you have to expect some of that stuff–you just traded a player who was probably the most beloved player on the team,” Tolbert said.

    “And you make some brash statements about what’s going to happen… I think fans look at that and aren’t real happy with it. If I’m Lacob, it’s OK, I keep plugging away, and say you know what, I can take it. I’m not happy with it, but I can take it…

    “That being said, I think fans always have a right to voice their opinion, but they were embarrassing tonight. They embarrassed themselves tonight.

    “Because what they did is not convey a message to Lacob, they kind of embarrassed the whole evening, and it was a celebration of Chris.

    “It ended up not being a celebration of Chris, it ended up being an embarrassment of the owner–or trying to embarrass the owner.”

    –More TOLBERT: “Fan singular can be intelligent and thoughtful,” Tolbert said. “Fans plural can be really stupid. I think we saw some of that tonight… It was disappointing, it really was, because it should’ve been a celebration of Chris.”

    –Tolbert’s feelings while the booing was continuing: “Just awkward. It was really, really awkward.

    “I’ve never been to a night at the Apollo, but that’s what it was like. I was like, ‘Good lord, somebody get him off stage, they’re killing him out here.’”

    -Was this similar to the Cohan All-Star Game moment? “Cohan had his kid–that’s rough, that’s a step up when you have your kid and you’re getting crushed like that,” Tolbert said.

    “I wasn’t there, so I can’t say. All I can say is this wasn’t good. The fans shouldn’t be happy with themselves.”

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  23. Rusty Simmons: Honor for Mullin turns ugly with boos for Lacob.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/20/SPCJ1NNCP6.DTL

    • Thanks Steve

      Excellent article.

      MT encapsulates d the situation very aptly. I was at the game, (I didn’t boo, but I will admit I along with thousands chanted Monta, four times). Most of the press seems to ignore the cheers for Monta and Coach Nelson. Two long time targets of Joe Lacob.

      AND you don’t speak last (“save the best for last”) at Mullie’s jersey retirement ceremony, Jeez! He and Others shouldn’t trash the very people who put Run TMC together. Bad timing to have the ceremony follow a horrid first half for the same reasons FB has enumerated many times already. And the Dubs have not won since the trad.

      Either FB has the most popular blog in the BAY Area and has convinced the Fans this is a high risk trade, or GS fans are independently arriving at the same conclusion: You traded the best player for a high risk move (injured center and no free agent flexibility). And you unceremoniously kick a popular and future Hall of Famer coach out the door.

      And despite the disdain for Jackson’s coaching ability, those two St John Alumni do have a magnificent bond. As well as Chris’s great relationship with his teammates and associated trainers, coaches etc. We indeed were reminded last night.

      Nelson has been criticized by Lacob as well as Joe’s paid surrogates, and the loud cheers for Nellie shows that many fans disagree with the critique by Mr. Lacob.

      That said, Tolbert said it best, it was…AWKWARD!

      The rowdiness did mar the #17 retirement for sure and indeed regrettable. Mullin felt bad on this night for sure. And for that alone, restraint might have been best.

      • From Marc Spears of Yahoo Sports:

        ————————————————

        They had come to honor Chris Mullin, to salute one of the franchise’s greatest players and hang his No. 17 jersey from the rafters. And yet none of that mattered. As soon as Golden State Warriors owner Joe Lacob took the microphone to recognize Mullin Monday night, the boos rained down. Louder and louder still, until Mullin and former Warriors great Rick Barry asked the sold-out crowd to have mercy on Lacob.

        Turns out, Warriors fans had come not only to support Mullin, but also Monta Ellis. Five days after the Warriors traded Ellis to the Milwaukee Bucks for injured center Andrew Bogut, the franchise’s fans aimed their ire at Lacob during Mullin’s halftime retirement ceremony – a surreal scene that left the owner shaken.

        Lacob stopped his speech for Mullin after the monsoon of boos drowned him out.

        “Look, fans are upset that we traded one of their favorites,” Lacob said after the Warriors’ 97-93 loss to the Minnesota Timberwolves. “That’s all I can attribute that to. What I feel bad about is they ruined a night that was very special. The organization really tried to do the right thing for with Chris.

        “I feel good that we did that. I felt bad for Chris more than anything else.”

        Mullin, a five-time All-Star with the Warriors and a Hall of Famer, didn’t think his night was spoiled. “Not one bit,” he said. “It seemed more directed toward other things.”

        Lacob initially tried to talk over the boos at the beginning of his speech from the floor of Oracle Arena. “Now that we got that over with,” he said, only it wasn’t over. The fans started chanting, “We want Monta,” and the boos became louder. Lacob tried to use his notes to continue speaking, but each hesitation brought only more jeers. Finally overwhelmed 45 seconds into his speech, Lacob went silent.

        “I was hoping they would stop so I could get the nice words out that we prepared for Chris,” Lacob said. “They didn’t want to stop. So I just waited.”

        Mullin eventually walked over to Lacob, put his arm around him and whispered into his ear. “Sometimes change is inevitable,” Mullin told the fans, “and it’s going to be just fine with your support and patience.”

        Lacob remained speechless. Mullin eventually sat down before Barry took the microphone. “C’mon, people,” Barry said, scolding the crowd. “You fans are the greatest fans in the world. Everybody said that. Show a little bit of class. This is a man I’ve spent a little bit of time with. He’s going to change this franchise. This is crazy.”

        “I wanted to be there for [Lacob],” Mullin said afterward. “No one wants to see anyone go through that no matter what situation. As players we’ve all been booed. Even if you’re a visiting player you don’t want to see a guy go through that.”

        Several of Mullin’s old teammates and former coach Don Nelson were seated on the floor. Warriors ambassador Al Attles urged them to get up and clap for Lacob during the booing.

        Former Warrior Tom Tolbert described the scene as “awkward, uncomfortable.”

        “It wasn’t about Lacob, it wasn’t about Monta or direction, it was about honoring the past,” said Tolbert, now a popular local sports-radio host. “And instead, it turned into a condemnation of the Warriors and trading Monta. You know, it’s too bad. I still remember the good parts, but too bad it turned into that.

        “It was crazy. It was like Hollywood Hulk Hogan walked into the building. It was like, ‘What just happened here? Oh, no. Jump.’ ”

        Lacob eventually finished his words and awarded Mullin and his family a trip to Hawaii. Mullin’s retired No. 17 jersey was revealed in the rafters to cheers. Once the ceremony finally ended, Lacob slowly walked off the floor where he received hugs from his fiancée, Nicole Curran, whom Lacob has said is upset with him for trading Ellis, and Warriors guard Stephen Curry.

        When asked if he was surprised by the fans’ reaction, Lacob said: “Wouldn’t you be?”

        Warriors and T’wolves players, some of whom were giggling, watched as the ceremony drew to a close. The T’wolves players who had remained in the locker room during the ceremony said they could hear the booing through the walls.

        “Everything was cool until we started to hear the boos,” T’wolves forward Kevin Love said. “Then we started laughing. It was funny to watch, but it wasn’t necessary. I thought it should have all been about Chris and everybody else should’ve felt that way.”

        Chris Cohan, the Warriors’ previous owner, was famously booed after he was introduced during the 2000 NBA All-Star weekend in Oakland. He was rarely shown at games afterward. Since his ownership group bought the Warriors in 2010, Lacob hasn’t been shy about saying the struggling franchise will win a championship within 10 years. After Monday’s ceremony ended, he eventually returned to his courtside seat to watch the second half.

        “I’m not going to let a few boos get me down and I don’t expect a few boos to get our team down,” Lacob said. “I think everybody has to stay tough. These are tough times. We are going to go out there, we are going to compete and we are going to win. And that’s my job as an owner, do everything we have to do. I’m not going to let a few boos stop us.

        “I obviously think whoever was booing was incorrect in terms of their assumptions. But we’ll just let time heal all wounds. Winning heals a lot of things.”

    • Anything in particular you think is relevant to Warriors fans in your link, Steve?

      • No, just a break from all the other news of the night, which was pretty much the same thing twisted and turned into a lot of different angles.

        Zach Lowe usually has some pretty good thoughts to offer on the NBA. That particular link = relevancy to NBA fans as opposed to just Warriors fans.

  24. Apparently Warriors fans think the name is pronounced “Boo-gut.”

  25. I guess it wasn’t the moment for fans to remind Chris Mullin et al, about the 7-yr $63 million dollar contract for the listless Andris Biedrins ironically brought to Oracle by the same Chris Mulln as GM. What did AB get? 1 rebound and 1 steal last night. Gruber could’nt write the script.

    Especially after the anti-”Run TMC” 35 point first half. Say it aint so Joe…

    • In lieu of the lack of highlights in the Dubs first half last night, the Curry, and Ellis led Warriors came back from a 21 point deficit against the Dwight Howard led Orland Magic and defeat them 123-120.

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9tv35NBjR8U&feature=related

      Now that would have been a fitting game in the Mullin Retirement ceremony. When did this happen? Last year.

      Enjoy. 123 points in a game will not happen for a long, long time.

  26. @ 22, vox populi

    I’m a big Mullin fan, but the production last night was way over the top, artificial and forced. So I was relieved for something spontaneous, the boos, even Barry’s high school coachish scolding. (Sheesh, Rick.) Give us the real damn thing. This is sports, not show biz, Lacob and Guber.

    But look at what the real thing was last night and will be for the next month, a gutted team outmanned, playing utterly meaningless games, playing only for pride and their future careers. Have some respect, L&G. And know your place.

    Do note that this was the voice of “real fans,” not phony bloggers (remember Lacob’s comment about bloggers a few years ago?).

    I don’t know what the consensus was in the Mullin era, but I remember the talk at KNBR, Gary Radnich especially. The team was fun to watch, entertaining, but couldn’t be taken seriously as they only squeaked into the playoffs only to go out early. I miss those years horribly.

  27. I’ve been asked by several people to revisit my analysis after hearing Don Nelson pronounce so positively on the Bogut trade, and I probably will at greater length in the near future. But for now, let me just say that I agree with everything Nellie had to say — as I believe I indicated above — with the 5 reservations I outlined above. And with regret for the timing and how it was handled that you might sense in David Lee’s interview, if you were so inclined.

    It is a truism in the NBA that two-guards are expendable for bigger players. Nellie’s own trade of Mitch Richmond for Billy Owens is a perfect case in point. Even though Nellie was wrong about Owens’ ultimate ability and willingness to play power forward, he was able to replace Richmond immediately by drafting Latrell Sprewell.(Just as Lacob and West believe Monta is replaceable by Klay Thompson.)

    The unforeseen intangible in the Richmond trade — and there are alway those, aren’t there — was the destruction of the chemistry of one of the league’s tightest teams. The fan’s distress was another intangible. I remember being agonized. And the young Adam Lauridsen was positively traumatized — he never forgave Nellie. In light of last night’s drama, it seems relevant to remember this.

    So yes, in basketball terms, the trade seems fully justified. But the question remains whether it was the best way to accomplish the goal. The question remains whether Lacob had the means to add a quality center to the Warriors core in the off-season, and set about the reconstruction of this team without yanking out the carpet from beneath his players and the team’s fans, for the second straight year.

    So in other words — except for being glad to have confirmed what I thought would be Nellie’s opinion of Bogut — not much has changed in my analysis.

    Nellie’s interview, though, did make me yearn to ask him a few follow-up questions. I’d like to ask his opinion of Udoh, whom no one brought up. I’d like to ask about the Nash/van Exel backcourt in Dallas that almost won him a title. About his plan when he drafted Stephen Curry to play alongside Monta. And whether there’s any possibility now that Monta turns himself into a point guard.

    • I wonder if Nelson was just responding to the principle of the trade — small guard for center — and whether he knew all the reservations about Bogut. More to the point, we don’t know how Nelson would have managed the trade in the context of the entire roster (or tried to influence this), who he would have kept, let go, offered as alternatives to go along with Ellis, who else he would have tried to pick up, etc.

      • Nelson said he specifically agreed with trading Ellis for Bogut. No ambiuity. He also repeated his thought that Monta is too small at two and should be a point guard. He did not seem to hedge at all.

    • Nelson now considers the Richmond deal the biggest blunder of his career. speaking recently about it, his optimism at the time came in part because Marciulionis looked like he could make up for some of Richmond’s loss, but the Lithuanian broke his ankle and wasn’t quite the same after (quite a physical style, not unlike Bogut’s).

      • I have a casual theory that you don’t give up proven talent, that you need to build around them, whatever the compromises. They are too hard to find and too hard to replace. (And maybe they should have seen what they could have got for Hardaway, not Richmond?) How much better, in terms of making a run in the playoffs, would they have been had Owens panned out or Marciulionis stayed healthy?

  28. Let us praise Klay Thompson for all that he has shown, but I wonder if he is being pushed too quickly and will have to deal with expectations too heavy next year (cf. Dunleavy and Billy Owens?).

    And if he doesn’t deliver?

  29. Marcus Thompson’s excellent review of the reasons why Lacob was booed (with apologies to Steve if this has already been posted):

    http://www.ibabuzz.com/warriors/2012/03/20/why-joe-lacob-got-bood/comment-page-1/#comment-52576

  30. I’d like to add a qualifier to MT’s comment about trading a fan fave. Warriors fans have seen more than their share of good players sent away for bigger guys, cap space, market-level salary, or just because the player in question simply didn’t want to play for losers any more. Feltie, I believe you mentioned one such deal, the one that turned Mitch Richmond into Billy Owens. Here are a few more departures that resulted in net negatives for the team:

    Stephen Jackson/Acie Law for Radmanovitch/Raja Bell (Bell injured at time of trade, quickly released)
    Al Harrington for Jamal Crawford (unconditional release at end of season)
    Baron Davis (unconditional release) “replaced” with an expensive Corey Maggette)
    Jason Richardson for Brandan Wright’s draft rights
    Latrell Sprewell suspended for a year, then traded for 3 backup players
    Tim Hardaway/Chris Gatling for Kevin Willis/Bimbo Coles (Hardaway continued to a long successful career with Miami, Willis and Coles stayed with the Ws for one year)
    Chris Mullin for Erick Dampier and change
    Chris Webber for Tom Gugliotta + three 1st round picks
    Gilbert Arenas (unconditional release)

    That’s not even a comprehensive list. In addition there were the inexplicable releases of good role players – we all have our own list (starting with Tolliver, perhaps).

    Now add Monta Ellis, traded for reasons we have all heard many times before. Small for Big seems reasonable. It’s a possible eventual winning move. But Monta was a known quantity, Bogut is an extremely costly busted-up question mark – and the deal reeks of desperation, like so many that Warriors fans have seen before. It’s just too damn familiar.

  31. “What were you booing Warriors fans?” (To this point in their little poll “Don’t agree with the booing” is leading by a wide margin)

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/basketball-golden-state-warriors/warriors-talk/What-were-you-booing-Warriors-fans?blockID=673740&feedID=2799

  32. Warriors ranked #21 in SI.com’s latest PR:

    Last Week: 18

    Golden State Warriors (18-25)
    Owner Joe Lacob made a bold move acquiring Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson for Monta Ellis and Ekpe Udoh. Lacob doubled down on the gamble by likening the trade to Kevin Garnett’s arrival in Boston, which immediately produced a Celtics title. Bogut is an ace defender and gifted passer, and Ellis has been offensively redundant and defensively deficient for years sharing the backcourt with Stephen Curry. But Lacob is banking on the health of Bogut and Curry, who continue to compile a troubling history of injuries. Bogut’s broken ankle and Udoh’s departure mean that the Warriors must rely on Andris Biedrins, who suffers from a debilitating lack of confidence, as their starting center. Meanwhile, Lacob quickly dealt Jackson to San Antonio for Richard Jefferson and a first-round pick, a trade most observers regarded as a large salary-cap hit for a small upgrade in talent and assets. The deadline moves, particularly unloading fan favorite Ellis for an injured Bogut, were just part of the reason why Lacob was booed during the halftime ceremony to retire Chris Mullin’s jersey Monday. As if that weren’t enough intrigue, the Warriors will owe Utah their first-round pick this year unless they finish with one of the NBA’s seven worst records. Golden State is ninth worst after Monday’s loss to Minnesota.

    Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/writers/britt_robson/03/20/power.rankings/index.html#ixzz1piZKVdKL

  33. Okay, here’s what sticks in my craw: From my vantage point in section 113, I saw maybe 20 percent of the fans booing. Prorated to 20,000, that’s perhaps 4,000. A rough estimate, certainly, but way under what you’d think if you weren’t there. Or what you’d think from reading our famously bad media. Just one example:

    Steinmetz: “I’m still trying to process why 20,000 fans at Oracle Arena booed the hell out of owner Joe Lacob….” Totally wrong, Steinmetz, and you’re only one among a pack of bozos.

    Our pompous media love to pontificate about why those 4,000 fans booed because it sells papers and attracts eyeballs. Some of the analytical articles, such as the one by MT2, were basically fine. Other babblings by the likes of Ratto and TK were ludicrous.

    But here’s the question no one is asking: Why were the other 15,000 or so fans NOT booing?

    Asking that question would involve an intelligent approach, and answering it would require considerably more work, and thought, and effort. That appears to be too much for these bozos, doesn’t it? Far too rational for them and quite a stretch for their addled minds.

    Well, here are a couple of answers to that question, including mine, because I wasn’t among those booing:

    1) We’d just seen a wonderful tribute to Chris Mullin. It really didn’t seem appropriate to engage in a boofest. In fact, it seemed tacky and, to use everyone’s favorite word, classless.

    2) While I’m not thrilled so far with Lacob’s stewardship, I’m inclined to give him an A for effort (unlike his predecessor). Booing him sends a message of complete disapproval, and I disagree with that.

    3) Lacob has owned the team for a total of, what, 16 months? My unhappiness with Warriors management goes back way beyond that, so why take it all out on him?

    4) The team’s performance stunk up the first half, which was especially frustrating with all the basketball royalty in the house. I was aware of not letting my disgust spill over into the Mullin tribute.

    I’m sure there are other reasons why the 80 percent majority watched in stunned silence while our tacky fellow patrons acted out their immaturity. I for one would like to see the media focus even 20 percent of their attention on the 80 percent who showed some class, instead of having their little crapfest about the loud and obnoxious minority.

    If these media bozos are going to put themselves in a position of judging others, they’d better be aware that they’re also being judged. Most of them come up short every single day.

    • I love it. BTW, are you a regular attendee at Warriors games or just an every once in awhile person?

      • Can’t see spending the big bucks for good seats and too old to deal with nose-bleed seats. I’m lucky to have friends/relatives with season tickets who invite me now and then. Thanks for the comment.

      • I was at the game second level. It was louder in person than what I saw on reply. I could not even here Lacob talk after the booos began. 4000 dissidents too small. Entire lower bowl was acting as if Monta got fouled and it was a no call times two.

        • Baloney. From the second level where you sat, you couldn’t see much of the lower bowl, where I sat, especially since the lights were dimmed. Among the thousands of fans whom I could see with my own eyes, a vast majority were not booing. Trying to judge by the sound in the arena does not work. It doesn’t take much for several thousand loud booers to create quite a din.

          But what is your point? Is it important for you that more than 4,000 were booing? Okay, let’s say it was double that number. And let’s agree their actions were disruptive, embarrassing and awkward. But even that number (which I disagree with) would still result in a majority who were not booing. My question would then remain the same:

          Why are the media focusing on the minority and NOT seeking the opinions of the 10,000-plus majority who were not booing? And why did they (such as Steinmetz) say that all 20,000 fans were booing? And why do pompous asses like Jenkins, who wasn’t there, describe all fans there as “clueless rubes”?

          The only thing worse than the behavior of those thousands of booing rubes has been the behavior of the media jackasses. I had the advantage of being in the arena to compare what I saw with what I read. It was an unforgettable lesson about media hype and laziness that spreads far beyond the sports pages. But don’t get me started on that….

          • Any physics professor or 5th Grader could tell you about sound waves and where the best vantage point is: Upstairs! was surprised because from my (great) vantage point it was fans closes to the ceremony on the lower bowl. It seemed to cascade. Myself? I was totally surprised as well as the people in my immediate area.

            And it was so quick and Loud. I could not hear Lacob speech. By the way, it seemed spontaneous too. It was a great ceremony until Lacob took the microphone after Mullie. And NO MWLX I did not boo (although I did say Monta Four times). I guess that may have been the point albeit crudely made by SOME of the paying customers.\

            Have some mustard with your hot dog.

          • A person who judged by their ears rather than their eyes in such a cavernous space makes me wonder if they’re really smarter than a fifth grader.

  34. @45

    white hat, thanks for that link and the suggestion, which also begs the following question from me to everyone who hangs out here with any regularity: Do you enjoy having me post links (on both NBA and Warriors related stories) or would you rather I not continue?

    I’ve said before that IMO this is the best NBA blog around, mostly because of the overall basketball knowledge and smarts that’s so immediately obvious when reading the opinions regularly posted.

    Feltbot, while I often disagree with his dissertations on the Warriors (then again, I can be a jerky contrarion, mostly cause I love “stirring the pot” to keep things from getting too “lovey-dovey” :) ), has put together a great gathering place for Warriors/NBA fans. And I greatly respect his opinions as well as those always well expressed by the many other regular contributors to this blog.

    That said, I’ve often wondered if I’m cluttering up things here and taking away from the flow of conversation by posting all the different links and stories? The last thing I want to do is deter the enjoyment of others.

    I spend hours each day perusing the net for interesting stories, in all sports, and that will continue. Don’t take this post to mean you’ll be ruining anything for me personally if you give a thumbs down to my posting of links here. And I’ll still give you my cranky opinions every once in awhile. :)

    So, please, everyone, a thumbs up or thumbs down? More links, or get the hell out of here? :) Thanks.

    • Steve, keep it going! This blog is pretty much my one-stop shopping spot for all things W’s. I get all I need from yours and everyone else’s links, quotes, transcripts, etc.

      I can be a jerky contrarion…And I’ll still give you my cranky opinions every once in awhile.

      Seriously Steve, I really need you to be that jerky contrarian more often. It certainly adds needed balance…and keeps me sane. You know what I mean. Your comments above @#3…well, just wonderful.

      All hail the LinkMaster…Woo hoo!

    • While the Rockets lost out in the Bogut Sweepstakes, the Warriors came away the big winners. After seeing how their small-ball style of play was going nowhere, they were ecstatic to land a blue-chip big man in Bogut who, despite his two serious but flukish injuries, is just 27 years old and entering the prime of his career.

  35. Joe Lacob on Tuesday AM with Gary and Larry on KNBR.

    http://www.knbr.com/portals/3/podcasts/garyradnich/320joelacob.mp3

  36. Millwaukee defeats Portland by 29 in Portland 116-87.

    Monta has 14 points and 9 assists.
    Udoh had 6 rebounds and 4 blocked shots in 15 mins as he was in foul trouble…
    Next up for the Bucks is Boston on Thursday.

  37. I’m a big thumbs up Steve.

    Anyone catch the Bucks game? Monta the facilitator! 9 ast. Beautiful Nellieball. Methinks it’s time to take the Bucks against the spread for the next couple weeks.

  38. Rusty Simmons: Joe Lacob’s boos are talk of Warriors fans.

    http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/03/21/SP1N1NNIRG.DTL

  39. Nelli on the Bogut trade.

  40. Mullin’s jersey retirement ceremony.

    • Horrors, Steve! The new sports-talk station, 95.7FM “The Game,” is not the same as, and has nothing to do with, KNBR (680 and 1050 AM). The new guys at 95.7FM (KGMZ) are in full competition with the old guys at KNBR, and in many respects the new guys are better. I’m sure they would cringe at the mis-identification. Full disclosure: my son works there :)

    • Wow. Simmons hit the whole list on bad Warriors personnel decisions, but missed a couple of key additional points about this season in particular:

      Simmons mentioned that Mark Jackson is a novice, but not how completely clueless he has proven to be as a coach and a leader of men. Maybe Simmons doesn’t know about that, maybe he can’t say for business reasons. But when talking about fan frustration, it is a factor. That’s especially true when the new owner dissed a fan favorite coach by firing him immediately (by phone, second-hand!) with no real explanation (sorry guys, “culture change” is an empty phrase, not a reason).

      Whatever anyone thought about Nelson’s performance in his last season, Lacob then took a whole year to thoughtfully, carefully assess the team needs (blowing off an entire season with a short bench and another coach he was foreordained to fire), then finally replaced Nelson’s extensive portfolio with the complete opposite. In other words, with his choices on personnel and coaching the guy who says he’s all about winning has now made arrangements to blow two seasons in a row, all the while taking good money from fans. Simmons didn’t mention that either.

      Simmon’s assessment of the Ellis trade was pointed: A fair enough deal for both teams without the inclusion of Kwame and Jackson, but a Warriors killer with those two thrown in – and made even more crippling to the team by the follow-on Jackson-for-Jefferson swap. But Simmons missed the point that Jackson was fondly remembered in these parts by many fans, as a co-leader of the last winning team we had. Another fan fave sent packing, immediately after shipping off the team’s best player. Twist the knife.

      Warriors management is not telling fans we’re tanking now, as Simmons wrote. Quite the opposite, team officials are even now insisting that we’re still in every game to win, and they’re even claiming to still be targeting playoffs. While they can’t openly admit they’re tanking, actively pretending playoff aspirations is an insult to any fan with a blip on the ol’ ECG. Marketing Guy here: customers expect some degree of hype and positivity from any seller, but see a real line between hype and flat-out bull. They’re lying. We know it. Not cool.

      Fire fan heroes, arrange to lose for two years straight, lie to fans, then grab the mike from Chris flippin’ Mullin, who was himself unceremoniously dumped by the team TWICE? Even the WWE couldn’t make a guy look more the villain to paying customers, and Lacob did it all by himself, supposedly unknowingly. Vince McMahon would have known what to expect from the crowd. It is not a mystery.

      I’m not happy about our team making national news with shockingly bad manners on the part of fans. I would have liked to see Chris Mullin honored appropriately, as the classy player and person he has always seemed to be. I don’t want people to think I’m one of “those” people, classless boors who embarrassed themselves.

      What’s done is done. At this point we can only hope Lacob takes away the right lesson from this incident. We’ll have our answer if he runs and hides (like the last owner), or has his PR people lie even more stridently. In that case, the Warriors could be Lacob’s Waterloo.

      Building a winner takes time, and it takes good judgment. Whatever else you can guess about the message one gets from booing fans, they did clearly make the statement that Lacob is running out of time. As for his judgment? We’ll see. There’s still a chance to get it right.

  41. I love how the Warriors are now calling what ails Biedrins a “groin strain.”

    They said he had surgery for a “sports hernia” in the off-season.

    One day, the day after Biedrins’ contract is up and he immediately retires, the truth will come out. By which I mean out in the mainstream media sense.

    #OsteitisPubis

    • “They said he had surgery for a ‘sports hernia’ in the off-season.”

      Last summer? This, in fact, is the first time the surgery has been announced, no? Amazing.

      Lacob’s decision only makes some kind of sense if he was convinced that Biedrins was healthy and would return to form, in the latter I suppose he wasn’t alone. Sounds like extraordinary wishful thinking. And a double loss. Not only were Biedrins bucks not freed up, I was predicting a breakout year for Charlie Bell.

      Jiminy cricket!* What a dismal year. We haven’t had much to talk about other than strikes and owners and groins and boos, and won’t for months to come. (Anybody looking forward to NO tonight?)

      *Toots Shor riff.

    • Interesting that the team would announce Biedrins’ injury and surgery at this exact moment, after stonewalling for years. The timing doesn’t make sense as a change in strategy for handling him. The announcement eliminates any slim possibility of trading him even for a pair of socks, and there’s zero reason for the team to release him right this minute.

      Sadly, the announcement does make a kind of sense as a PR leak to soften fan anger over the team not amnestying Biedrins.

      If there was a glimmer of hope for Beans at the beginning of the season, they would have had to keep him, right? No one could blame them for that, right? After all, it’s only a “groin pull” and he had surgery.

    • Hope I haven’t misdirected you guys. The announcement over last summer’s surgery was made before the season. I interpreted itthen as implying that Biedrins had been ” fixed”.

      Merely pointing out the succession of these groin ailments, and the various misleading ways they’ve been described.

  42. @63 Bill Simmons’ brilliant recap of the Warriors blighted history is a MUST READ. Particularly his concluding paragraphs. In a few short sentences, he expresses the sentiment behind the booing better than anyone who has tried.

    Thank you, Bill Simmons.

    • Read that article, and yes. BOOO BOOOO BOOOOO

      • Go Simmons. He understands how to break down futility like no other writer I have ever read.

        I am only 27, so my earliest Warrior memories are Run TMC and “Spree for threeeeeee!” I had no idea the team was blowing draft picks and trades throughout the entire 80s.

        And Feltbot, I can now understand why you are so glued to Nellie’s philosophy. They were literally the ONLY good years the Warriors have had in your lifetime.

        • ++ pete24…

          To hear those on the Lacob payroll about how awful its been in the past. And those critics of Nellie…Run TMC, Spree for 3, and Yes We Believe BABY. All while Nellie was coach.

          To hear Rick Barry on the radio Monday and today. Such contempt for Warrior fans. I had not seen or heard that side of him before. Perhaps he was eating hoer’drves in the first half of the game and did’nt see the first half in which the Dubs shot 25% and were down 13…to the Minnesota Twolves.
          In thinking about the debacle on Monday, everything was copasetic until the microphone was handed to the owner who was obviously excited about the trade. Obviously, he and Jerry West have long wanted a big man and were quite eager to let Ellis go and have Klay start. That is cool, I am not judging that decsion, we all will find out in a year or two.
          I just think because Lac0b et al did not ‘believe’ in Ellis they failed to realize that a lot of fans really (read really really) like him and at the spur of the moment began booing. And for Barry to disregard and display his ignorance(even today)…just shows a lack of consideration…for those who really make the lucrative NBA possible, the fans…To a lot of people in the “business” side, its kissing up to the boss.

  43. Boris Diaw — The quintessential Not-a-Joe-Lacob-player — just became available. Be interesting to see which contender signs him.

    http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/03/21/diaw-bobcats-agree-to-contract-buyout-spurs-interested/

  44. Turiaf to sign with the Heat. Love it. He’s perfect for them.

    Go Roni! Get that ring!

  45. From the Warriors daily emails:

    David Lee is one of only six players in the NBA to average 19-plus points and nine-plus rebounds this season. He’s on pace to become the first Warrior to post those numbers since Nate Thurmond in the 1971-72 season.

    I guess we have never had a decent big man.

  46. Bill Simmons and Feltbot are the truth tellers. All others are in Lacob’s payroll.

    Lacob is shaping up to be worse than Cohan.

  47. @64

    I know this blog is loaded with fans who are primed and ready to get out the tar and feathers in regards Joe Lacob but let’s get and keep the facts straight, Biedrins did NOT have any sports hernia surgery last offseason.

    “Surgery and rehabilitation with a specialist in Vancouver, British Columbia, in the summer of 2010 cured the sports hernia.”

    http://msn.foxsports.com/nba/story/Golden-State-Warriors-Center-Andris-Biedrins-worked-in-offseason-to-regain-strength-confidence-06600890

  48. @63

    “But Simmons missed the point that Jackson was fondly remembered in these parts by many fans, as a co-leader of the last winning team we had. Another fan fave sent packing, immediately after shipping off the team’s best player. Twist the knife.”

    “Fire fan heroes, arrange to lose for two years straight”

    white hat, this is just my opinion, but I highly doubt there was even half-a-boo the other night for SJackson. Yes, he was a fan favorite, along with about 10 other players, during the We Believe run, but by the time he left the Warriors he was anything but. And those lovey-turned-bitter feelings were still in full bloom on most of the other BB blogs prior to the Jackson for Jefferson trade being announced. Jackson was even the prime impetus for Larry Krueger’s maniacal rant the other morning on KNBR, again, prior to knowing Jackson would not be coming back to GSW.

    Arrange to lose? This season? Really? OK, as we sit here on 3-21-12 the Warriors are obviously headed back to the lottery but once the lockout ended Lacob and crew were hardly “arranging to lose”. And if Tyson Chandler had indeed signed with the Warriors the Bogut trade would never have happened (glad to still see you, Monta), and considering GSW even today is only 3 games in the loss column out of a playoff spot, I’d say with Chandler all season and a healthy Curry this team would be in a great position to make the playoffs as we speak. Arrange to lose? C’mon.

    Lacob and MJackson weren’t trying to sell snake oil to their fans before the season started. They felt good about being able to sign Chandler and if everything had fallen in place from there, good health being primary (was anyone thinking “gee, I sure hope Curry can somehow stay healthy this year” before the season started?), the Warriors would have had a great chance to make the playoffs. This season has been a case of the best laid plans being derailed at every worse possible moment.

    Watching Klay Thompson have another really nice game tonight brings to mind another point of contention from many here: KT a viable ROY candidate? Was Lacob and Co off base with their preseason proclamations about Klay? Absolutely not.

    If this kid had gotten the minutes all year he would unquestionably be in the running for ROY. And with all the worries about him being affected by any pressure stemming from those high expectations I’d say his play, especially since the Monta trade (“What are you going to do to replace Monta?”), has alleviated most of the doubt as to how he would handle pressure to perform on the big stage.

    No, he didn’t figure to get the minutes needed to show his game, but they definitely weren’t wrong about him being possibly the best rookie in the NBA in 2011-12.

    • Yes Steve, arranged to lose. A swing-and-a-miss is not a hit, so don’t mention Chandler as a positive for the front office.

      In both of Lacob’s seasons he floored a team that could have been better. Rather than repeat myself yet again, I’ll let you play GM to figure out how.

      Start with the fact that Chandler and Jordan were both sign-able for the right money. The team offered each just enough NOT to acquire them.

      • “The team offered each just enough NOT to acquire them.”

        LOL white hat, I love your imagination. It’s too bad Chris Mullin didn’t have that same “here’s just enough to not sign” approach when he was the GM here. LOL

        Good grief, man, they offered Chandler 4 yrs and over $60 million. They wanted this guy bad, it just didn’t happen.

        http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/12/05/SPV71M8NE2.DTL

        Frankly, I think they got lucky all that didn’t happen even though another lost season and goodbye to Monta was the end result. Bogut’s better than all those guys IF he can stay in one piece, but I love high risk/high reward scenarios, which the Bogut deal definitely is. If this works it’s not just a homerun, it’s a grand slam.

        Yep, I can hear Joe Lacob now……..”Alright, guys, here’s the plan. We offer Chandler $60 million, which he obviously won’t take, then we go get Kwame Brown! Everyone on 3, Go Warriors. 1..2..3..GO WARRIORS!!”

        • the article you cite gives no evidence that an offer for 60m. was actually offered to Chandler — it was written before free agency bidding was open. one of the means it suggests to gain the cap space necessary, in fact, is trading Biedrins, and it assumes that the amnesty would be used on Bell and not the Latvian. Since there was never an offer sheet from the lacobites signed by Chandler, people can speculate all they wish about the amount it ‘could’ have been. NY is simply more attractive to free agents, and even a comparable offer from them would probably suffice — the lacobites got another lesson that they’d need to significantly ‘overpay’ to make an impression, and it was a motivating factor in pushing the Bogut trade through.

        • Steve,

          The max contract for a player with 10+ years of experience: up to 35% of the team salary cap. For this season that’s an annual salary of $20,315,400. Max contract length is 5 years.

          Chandler signed with the Knicks for $14MM/yr., for 4 years. It was well within the rules for the Warriors to offer him tons more than they did.

          Chandler is “the best center in the NBA,” according to his last coach. Discounting for hype, he’s perhaps the 2nd or 3rd best center. He’s better (and healthier, and a better athlete) than Bogut. Amnestying Biedrins would have allowed the team to “overpay” Chandler, keep Monta and Udoh, and even have some cap space for a decent backup center.

          Lacob is not a crazed win-at-all-costs fan with too much money, though. He is a responsible businessman managing an investment property. As such, he made the business decision not to pay the standard “Warriors premium” for Chandler. I don’t have access to the Warriors books, of course, but the decision almost certainly hinged on the Warriors having to immediately write off Biedrins remaining contract.

          That Warriors salary premium is real, BTW, and it is not a personal bias thing. The Warriors have a history of not paying playoff money, and of providing a poor platform for players to generate outside income. Agents know this. At the level of money we’re talking about, they can give you a fairly accurate estimate of how much the Warriors salary premium has to be to compensate. There is zero doubt that Lacob knew precisely what it would take to land Chandler.

          Saying we didn’t luck out, or that we couldn’t have done more, or Tyson just didn’t like us? Dude, that’s the media massage for the uninformed. On the inside, it’s a business for everyone involved. How could you imagine otherwise?

  49. Re the halftime spontaneous outburst last Monday night:

    “Fans come to Staples Center to make themselves seen.
    Fans come to Oracle Arena to make themselves heard.”

    Ad that, curiously, is still running on Comcast.

  50. You know, a lot of people attending Monday’s game didn’t get to recieve a Chris Mullin bobblehead.

    That booing makes a lot more sense now…

    • Actually, my seatmate and other season-ticket holders around us were NOT happy about not getting a bobblehead. We arrived at about 6:35 p.m. and were told they were gone. However, we soon heard that some were available at another gate. My seatmate went over there, and the usher said she couldn’t have one because she hadn’t come in that gate.

      This became a topic of conversation throughout the game: Why did the Warriors, or the bobblehead promoter esurance, irritate the highest paying fans (Sideline Club) this way? In fact, why irritate any paying fan? How much would it have cost to supply 20,000 bobbleheads instead of 10,000? Another fifty grand?

      None of these folks booed Joe Lacob. But it became reason #61 for being irritated with management. I’m just saying…

      • You can get your bobblehead at the South gate if you can do two back flips and dribble behind your bakc.
        Likely the people who booed Lacob were the rift raft who didn’t get their bobbleheadss….

  51. Found myself incredibly impressed by Klay Thompson tonight. The kid has the savvy and court presence of a veteran. Rock solid handle, left and right. Sees the whole floor, great playmaking instincts. Astounding footwork.

    He does things that Reggie Miller never dreamed of doing.

    Is he a basketball genius? That would make two in the Warriors backcourt.

    • Felt, if Curry can ever rid himself of his ankle woes, this backcourt is gonna rock for a long time.

      I’d say taking Thompson where they did in the first round and then Jenkins in the 2nd round the Warriors did a damn good job in this past draft. Did you notice the only other player Nelli referred to by name other than Bogut on the telecast the other night was Charles Jenkins? I thought that was pretty interesting.

    • His story is interesting. Did I hear right, that no other Pac-10 team recruited him? He’s got something to prove. Cf. Curry.

    • I like Jenkins as well. It’s easy to see why he was overlooked in the draft, not quick, no hops. But he’s shifty. Like Klay, he has a knack for getting wherever he wants on the floor. And he can shoot, which is a big reason Nellie likes him, I’m sure. Another CJ Watson type.

      I haven’t seen a lot of playmaking from him though. Which might have something to do with the coaching. How is he at pick and roll?

    • Yup… Klay really is looking like a high IQ player out there. Along with Curry, I guess there’s something to be said for growing up around the professional game.

      I really hope that with Curry back they put together a more efficient offensive style with lots of ball movement. Klay is looking to be near elite coming off screens… it’s pretty to watch him curl up from the baseline and hit the turnaround jumper from 15-19 ft. That’s a tough shot.

    • Unfortunately, the kid had a stinker today. But even on a bad day there were still glimpses of his abundant quality. Clearly very talented and dare I say, had things gone differently earlier in the year, a potential ROY? ;)

      Was thinking that there couldn’t be a smarter, higher character core anywhere in the NBA above Steph/Klay/RJ/DLee/Bogut?

      It feels pretty well balanced to me. Sure a little lacking in athleticism and speed but for better or worse that is the direction of the franchise. Better to be quicker between the ears than on the ground.

      If they can get the right pieces around those guys, I see no reason to not be extremely optimistic about (at-least) playoff prospects next year.

      (And, yes, it is not lost on me that I am writing this with 20 games to go in this season. Such is the life of a Warriors fan!)

      • Wasn’t the ‘character’ them used before on Foyle, Dunleavy, Murphy et al. That could get old quickly if they continue losing. BTW, Dunleavy having a decent year for the Bucks…

  52. Problems for the most overrated team in the NBA.

    http://www.latimes.com/sports/la-sp-clippers-thunder-20120322,0,5476317.story

    Bill Simmons: Heard today that Vinny Del Negro is on super-thin, could-go-any-day ice. A blowout loss in OKC tonight won’t exactly help. Twitter

    • Nor a loss to the lowly Hornets tonight….Del Negro vehmently denies and none other than Kenyon Martin came to his defense!

  53. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1114716-nba-rumors-jj-hickson-to-portland-adds-to-golden-state-warriors-big-man-woes

    BR stated that JJ Hickson was in New Orleans – (perhaps ready to join Golden State?) – when he got word that Portland had claimed him off waivers! LOL!

    A young, first round pick PF shooting .37 from the floor (Yes, not a typo, is shooting 37 percent from the floor for the season) is a rare commodity.

    This is perhaps why two tanking teams – Portland and Golden State – both wanted JJ Hickson so badly! Imagine sitting David Lee so that W’s can get a better look at Hickson!

    • I can’t believe there hasn’t been more said about this yet. MTII is off the mark when he said that the W’s couldn’t have claimed Hickson off waivers. The truth is that the W’s were just too cheap! They didn’t want to pay the pro-rated part of Hickson’s 3.2M salary. If Hickson had cleared waivers, they would have been able to pay him only the minimum.

      Here’s my reasoning:
      Under the collective bargaining agreement, only teams below the cap are able to claim a player off waivers except when the have a Traded Players exception (among other exceptions)
      https://webfiles.uci.edu/lcoon/cbafaq/salarycap.htm#Q56

      But the W’s did have a TP exception of 3.29M, because of how they structured the Bogut trade!
      http://www.blazersedge.com/2012/3/13/2870044/milwaukee-and-golden-state-the-power-of-the-150-100000-trade-rule

      So it came down to pure cheapness.

      • Control yourself, don’t use the word cheap when you talk about Joe Lacob. This ownership group has BIG loans and monthly loan payments. There are obligations that must be fulfilled before signing players. The ownership isn’t cheap, just living within means.

        Real fans got it. We are supporting our ownership by buying more season tickets and team approved merchandises.

        Are you a real fan?

      • $2 million for JJ Hickson for the remainder of the season.

  54. Greg Monroe loses … err, Javale McGee wins a game at the buzzer:

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/21646/javale-we-take-it-all-back

  55. @71

    moto, the Warriors offered over $60MM to Chandler:

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/warriors-talk/post/Chandler-has-offer-from-Warriors-in-hand?blockID=608184

    He actually wound up signing for just over $58MM with the Knicks. The bright lights of NYC and LA are going to win out over most other destinations the majority of the time. And in this case, throw in the chance to play with Melo and Stoudemire = fait accompli.

    If you’re a Warriors fan unhappy that Lacob didn’t offer even more than the $60MM and 4 yrs you’ve probably lived through most of those 60 steps chronicled by Bill Simmons and have been rendered punch-drunk in the process.

    • Or maybe we don’t care about Lacob’s P&L and simply want to see him NOT blow off another season.

    • Steve, you do yeoman’s work with all the links, thanks. back @ (71) you put the number at more than 60m. csnbayarea isn’t a news station — they have serious $$ either invested in, or have sold part of their company to, several of the teams they ‘cover’, including FoolsGold State. their article quoting the 60m. figure only cites “league sources”, and a team’s p.r. department qualifies as a ‘league source’ if they won’t specify further than that. and suppose the offer was 60m.? what was in the fine print or ‘other considerations’ that made the NY offer quoted at 58m. the winning bid ?

      it’s all moot, especially if by some miracle Bogut comes out at summer’s end with a completely sound limb and shakes off his injury jinx at his established level of all around play — he actually likes the bay area very much and would love staying long term.

  56. Zach Lowe: Hearing the Warriors will likely make a final call this weekend/early next week on whether Curry plays again this season. Twitter

  57. Your had-to-watch-to-the-bitter-end-to-see-it-live highlight of the night, courtesy CWright and KThompson.

  58. Udoh ten rebounds in 20 minutes during the loss to Boston this evening. Monta 6-18, 7 assists…

    http://www.nba.com/games/20120322/BOSMIL/gameinfo.html?ls=gt2hp0021100694#nbaGIboxscore

  59. Ray Ratto “National Columnist”? Where do I apply? LOL

    “Underserved, long-suffering Warriors fans vote on owner with lungs.”

    http://www.cbssports.com/nba/story/17922309

  60. Here’s John Dickinson from the Bay Area’s only FM sports station (and TOTALLY unrelated to KNBR), 95.7 The GAME.

    MWLX, better this time? :)

    http://957thegame.com/topic/play_window.php?audioType=Episode&audioId=5756531

  61. Hickson, minutes from joining GSW, is diverted to Portland.

    http://www.oregonlive.com/blazers/index.ssf/2012/03/blazers-grizzlies.html

  62. “Growing Concerns Crash CP3 Homecoming.”

    http://sports.espn.go.com/nba/dailydime

  63. Comment #200…Woo hoo!

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