Tank Thread Number Three

Back in the Bay, and caught the Portland game last night, the first game I’ve watched in a couple of weeks.  It was, for me, like sitting through a couple of hours of fingernails being scraped down a chalkboard. And I wasn’t even tuned to Bob Fitzgerald.

Since April Giants baseball was (correctly) pre-empting April Warriors basketball, I watched the national broadcast. There, I got to listen to Chris Mullin tell us what a good coach Mark Jackson is going to be. And got to listen in on the huddle to hear Mark Jackson tell the boys to please play defense.

The Joy of Tanking.

I’ll try not to discuss what actually happened in the game — we all know that’s not the point of April Warriors basketball — but here’s a couple of talking points:

Klay Thompson: I know it’s not fair, but I find myself watching him most intently on the defensive end. And wondering just how much Andrew Bogut will improve his game.

I continue to believe that you can’t win in the NBA without a two-way shooting guard.

And judging by the minutes Thompson has been getting, Mark Jackson might share that belief. Thompson has reached 30 minutes in only two of the last nine games. That’s somewhat curious at this time of year isn’t it, particularly given Lacob’s desire to push him into ROY recognition?

Jeremy Tyler:  I was utterly startled by a couple of Tyler’s recent box scores while I was out of town. Points. Rebounds. Blocked Shots. Could Tyler really have promise as an NBA player?

I didn’t see any evidence of it in this game. What I saw was an inability to finish inside, force Hickson left, find good rebounding position, defend without fouling, or understand at all what is unfolding on the floor.

Maybe someone can fill me in on the previous games.

I’ve seen a few pundits speculating about whether Tyler could play power forward in the NBA. I’ll make this simple.

No. Not ever.

Like Kwame Brown, it’s center or bust.

Charles Jenkins: I don’t know if I have ever seen a point guard who is more deliberate in the paint. Not since Mark Jackson, at any rate.

It can be very interesting to watch, but at times I start to channel my inner football coach. North South dammit! Hit the damn hole!

I’ve also been starting to wonder whether Jenkins can go left.  His handle is far superior to Jeremy Lin’s, but I’m afraid the answer is no. Like Lin, no finish.

Jeremy Lin: I was sad to see Lin get injured, but I have to say that I was not surprised. During Linsanity, I watched him continously force his way into the lane and throw himself into opposing big men to draw contact. It was effective, and certainly calculated to please coaches of the Keith Smart and Mark Jackson tier, but it was not a great recipe for longevity.

As Dwayne Wade and perhaps now Derrick Rose too have discovered.

Lamar Odom:  Now that Odom fever has hit the Bay, let’s at least get one part of the discussion straight:

Lamar Odom is not a small forward.

He is a power forward.  Someone needs to get this news to Bob Fitzgerald ASAP.

Odom began to find himself as a player when Pat Riley traded for him, and installed him at the four for the Heat. He put up 17 and 10 in 2004.

After the Lakers traded for Gasol, Phil Jackson had a choice of Odom, Vlad Rad, Luke Walton and Sasha Vujecic to play the three. Whom did he choose?

He chose Vlad Rad, with Walton backing up.  Lamar Odom is a four, and one of the best fours in the league. He averaged close to 10 rebounds a game for the Lakers, coming off the bench.  He defended the rim. Ran the high post. Spread the floor.

Even thinking about playing him at the three — as Rick Carlisle unfortunately did — is a travesty.  His mediocre outside shooting doesn’t help you at the three, he can’t beat threes off the dribble the way he beats bigs, and he can’t guard threes. Period.

Now that we’ve got that straight, speculate away.

Here’s my take: He would look absolutely great alongside David Lee in a small ball unit.

But Joe Lacob doesn’t know what a spread four is.

The Monta Ellis Milwaukee Bucks:  The Bucks lost a heartbreaker at home to the Knicks last night, which unfortunately puts their playoff hopes on life support.  Monta haters will make hay of this. (Some have already dismissed his 35 points on 14-25, 10 assist, 6 rb, 4 steal line against Iman Shumpert and Tyson Chandler by pointing to his -8. I would think they might want to direct their attention to Klay Thompson’s -18 first.)

I think the Buck’s lack of real success since the trade can be attributed to three things. 1) Extremely ill-timed injuries to Drew Gooden, Ilysasova and Delfino. That’s their entire front line, and they had all been playing well. 2) The difficulty of assimilating new players late in the season. Monta has been extremely deferential to Brandon Jennings, and Skiles doesn’t trust Udoh on offense. 3) Their general talent deficit. Even with Monta and everyone healthy, its pretty hard to say the Bucks have more talent than any team above them. Impossible, in fact.

And then there’s the Brandon Jennings problem. I absolutely hate Jennings as a basketball player, and I’m pretty sure Skiles does too. Jennings’ Bucks career has reached an end, and I have a sneaking suspicion his days as an NBA starter may be nearing an end as well.

Since the trade, Monta has averaged 6 assists and a better than 2:1 ast/to ratio while playing for a brand new team, and sharing the backcourt with Jennings. Which has only cemented what I already feel about him.

If I were an NBA GM, I would give Monta Ellis a max contract to run my team. And be confident I was getting a better point guard than Tony Parker, Derrick Rose and Russell Westbrook.

Is Monta willing to play the point? The beginning of next season might provide a clue. It could be the showcase to end all showcases.

Frisco Joe and Dodger Pete:  This week brought the news that 1) the Warriors have eliminated the Giants as a “middleman,” and are looking at their own site on the SF waterfront; 2) the second oldest franchise in D-league history, and most strongly supported, is on its way out of North Dakota to the sunny shores of Santa Cruz; and

3) Warriors co-owner Peter Guber just bought a piece of the Los Angeles Dodgers.

All three of these news items are of a piece to me. They all resonate within me the same way. And I’m a little curious why more isn’t being made of at least this last item in the media.

I guess that’s what I’m for.

292 Responses to Tank Thread Number Three

  1. New thread…thank goodness. Don’t know what it is about the posts with a lot of comments. They slow down my computer soooo much.

    Warriors play well but lose…excellent! Gotta get into position for that #7 pick.

  2. Monta at the point. Dontcha know if he got a max contract along side a good coach and bigman — He’d jump at it. Had a friend at the game last night. Buck fans like him a lot already. Selling his game by his deeds not what Mark Steinmetz says.

    I was upset with MS comment’s about Nate after last night. Nate comes in and puts his energy, body, and 21 bench points nearly single handedly brings the Dubs into a tie. And Steinmetz criticizes him for perceived poor play in the 4th Qtr.

    I guess mediocre sports teams… get admittedly mediocre writers.

    Finally Lacob moving team to SFO alienates all east bay fans. God, can Elison buy a team and move them to SJ too soon?

    • Monta is not a max player. He certainly isn’t an elite player in the NBA because if he was the Bucks would be in the playoffs. Monta obviously is not the savior you think he is.

  3. felt maestro, did you miss the mar.25 game vs. Por or apr.4 vs. Min ? Jenkins can go to his left very well. he’s conforming his game to his coach’s specifications at present ; the preacher likes him slowing things down and controlling things in a half court offense. the team is going to miss the x-factor that Robinson brings. how much the preacher really is a ‘player’s coach’ remains to be seen.

    we should only expect the worst from the new owners when big $$ decisions are involved ; what the team accomplishes on the court might succeed despite them. they’ll make getting to .500 next season seem like a huge accomplishment, but getting beyond the 40-50 win barrier will be a much different task.

    • At this point I’m not sure what games I’ve missed, and I don’t like thinking back :>

      I’m pretty sure I’ve never seen Jenkins finish going left, but I’m glad to hear I’ve missed something. I’ll keep my eyes peeled, and let me know the next time you see it.

  4. I believe the Bucks do have some talent. They are 8-6 since the trade. if Skiles had started Udoh, and had him providing weak side help at the beginning of the game. I think the Bucks would have won last night had not had his perimeter defenders sag in and leave the perimeter unguarded when Udoh did not need their help. Such resulted in wide open threes that the Knicks converted.

    I think that the Bucks made the trade for they felt that losing Bogut was big loss as they were retaining Ilysasova, a terrific player.

    As you point out, Ellis had a tremendous game last night. He had a minus rating primarily because Udoh did not start and was not used properly at the beginning of the game, which resulted in the Knicks making 8 goals in a row. Dunleavy missed many shots at the end of the game which also hurt Ellis’ rating.

    The Bucks have a stoing inside presence although they did not show it last night.

    The trade was good for them, as they retained Ilysasova, who I think is actually a better player then Bogut, got rid of Jackson, and obtained both Udoh and Ellis.

    Jenkins deliberateness and change of pace is actually a plus for when he enters the paint and sees a big awaiting him, he changes his pace, freezing the big awaiting him, and then blows by him and often scores. Beautiful to watch. He’s a surgeon in the lane. And when there is no big in his way, he does accelerate throughout his drives.

    Jenkins has no trouble getting into the paint. Jenkins has proved the last nine games that he finish with either had on either side of the hoop.

  5. Odom:

    1. Why on earth would Odom want to come here?

    2. Regardless of position he might play, why would he perform better here than he did at Dallas?

    3. What can Lacob offer Odom he couldn’t get at Dallas (e.g. a contending team)?

    4. Why does Lacob continue to pursue players he can’t get and/or won’t pay for? (cf. Howard, etc.) What is he trying to prove to the league — or is he just showing once more he is full of bluster?

    5. Why (related) does he largely pursue expensive, marquee names?

    6. If Lacob does somehow scrape the money together and does persuade Odom to come and Odom, somehow, decides to play at full potential — all huge ifs — at what expense to the rest of the roster and the success of the team?

    The team that intrigues me most is Denver. They’ll probably go out early in the playoffs, but still they should make them, even after letting Nene go (I must confess I coveted him). They have a highly flexible team that seems to cover all positions well enough, even up front with some fairly mediocre centers, has good depth, can play a variety of styles, including running, as we saw last week, and that is not tied down with serious salary concerns (Harrington is imminently expendable). They are poised for all kinds of possibilities next season and will be able to afford them.

    It begins with the coaching. . . .

      • Here’s a question for you: Who’s the best player on Denver’s current roster? If your answer is Danilo Gallinari then IMO you’re not in such a good place.

        For my money Gallinari is overrated and not even close to being worth the $$$ the Nuggets are going to be paying him (signed a $42MM extension in January).

        Throw in the fact they gave Arron Afflalo 5 yrs, $45MM at about the same time and you’re talking about a team that has dished out almost $90MM to lockup players that are more complimentary than difference makers, IMO. Or in other words, a Rocky Mountain version of GSW from so many years/decades gone by.

        If all Denver does in their immediate future is “tweak” their roster then you’re looking at a Western Conference “pretender” next season. They need to add an impact (star) player otherwise they’re just another organization overvaluing their present strength as a team, and especially as a team with a legit chance to last deep into the playoffs.

      • I find Gallinari intriguing. Saw him destroy Carmelo earlier in the season. He’s unquestionably injury prone so far in his career. But if he ever gets healthy…. great player.

        I’m also intrigued by Wilson Chandler’s upside — I’d rather have him than almost any SF in the league. And Ty Lawson probably rounds out my big three for them.

        On top of that, three playable centers, Afflalo, Faried.

        I think it’s a little late for them to make any noise this season. But I’ll be very interested to see how they come together next season.

  6. From NBA.com:

    No news is no news when it comes to Warriors guard Stephen Curry and his sprained right ankle. Curry was set to undergo an evaluation tonight and a team official said the club hopes to make an announcement on his status by this weekend. Curry hasn’t played since March 11 but has said he wants to come back this season.

    With the Warriors officially eliminated from playoff contention as of Wednesday, Mark Jackson‘s brash playoff promise — made without having the benefit of a single NBA game under his belt as a coach — was a topic of conversation. Jackson, however, said he has no regrets about setting the bar high for the Warriors, feeling he had to do so in order to dispel some of the weight of Golden State’s recent postseason history: 17 seasons, 1 playoff berth. “If I had to do it all over again, I’d come in talking the same mess,” the unrepentant Jackson said.

    • Postgame comments:

      Mark Jackson
      On Klay Thompson:
      “It was awfully impressive seeing him crashing the boards. With his size and athletic ability – I thought he started off battling, but it seemed like his feet were in quicksand. He did a great job of bouncing back and having an outstanding all-around game on defense, sharing the basketball and scoring the basketball. There is no question about his talent and his future.”

      On The Second Half:
      “At halftime I was very disappointed with our effort. I believe seven games in ten days – physically I can understand we were drained, but there is no excuse. We, for some reason, in the first half were a step behind on every play defensively. You can just see sometimes as a coach and as a player…we couldn’t fool ourselves. We got in at halftime, we talked about it and the way we played in the second half is what we expected in closing out the season. We battled, gave ourselves a chance – we had some breakdowns, but the energy and effort was certainly there.”

      On The Play Of The Rookies:
      “Klay [Thompson] is obviously very advanced. He’s the one that has played the most, been in the most battles and there is a reason why he was the number 11 pick. Charles [Jenkins] has come along as a proven guy that defends. He can run a show, can score and make plays. Jeremy [Tyler], who’s had the least amount of time, has shown some bright spots. I think overall tonight Jeremy [Tyler] had a tough time and Charles [Jenkins] had a tough time trying to keep [Rodrigue] Beaubois in front of him. Those guys have had some bright spots for us. I think this, overall, helps because it speeds up the process.”

  7. Thanks Feltbot!
    @Frank – True – Udoh is a starting PF for any NBA team valuing defense. Wish the W’s still had him!

    Why keep apologizing for Monta Ellis’ play? Why keep explaining or ignoring a negative +/-? Why make excuses about the lack of talent on the Bucks roster? Why not understand Monta’s not a point guard (remember Nellie tried that experiment and failed)? Monta’s a little 2 guard (Nelson said it) – a poor man’s Iverson – who can score in bunches when he “feels it” and occasionally plays excellent defense when he “feels it.”

    The 2012/2013 Golden State Warriors healthy will be better than the 2012/2013 Milwaukee Bucks. LOL! There – I said it!

    True – Lamar Odom – would complete a nice big rotation with Bogut and Lee! Rebounding, scoring, and defense from our 4s and 5s would be a thing of the past. Oakland is not far away from LA – so if the Lakers/Clippers pass, he might be had, no?

    RE: Lin – I hope he can play for coach like Mike D’Antoni again. Not on a Carmelo team.

    RE: Klay Thompson’s play. Those still in Klay Thompson denial will be crushed like a bug next season! LOL! Jerry West was spot on re: Klay Thomson – he’s a very skilled, long, versatile NBA player with a very huge upside. Better than I expected he’d be as a rookie. Admit, acquit – and let’s move on.

    Yes – Brandon Jennings has a lot of flaws in his game… I wanted the W’s to draft him so badly. I’m so very glad we didn’t!

  8. From B/R: GSW…..5 Players Who Won’t Be Around Next Year.

    The Golden State Warriors are set with their core players for next season.

    That’s good because they are very close to the salary cap ceiling for next season already.

    The bench should get a lot younger next season as the Warriors have three (hopefully four) 2012 NBA draft picks who will push the older, more expensive players out the door.

    With little money to spend this offseason the Warriors will have some decisions to make to fill out their roster and here are the players who you might not see in a Warrior uniform when the 2012-13 NBA season tips off.

    Nate Robinson

    Nate has been great.

    Well, great at times.

    He has brought a lot of energy to every game, played hard and has been a lot of fun to watch.

    He is, however, turnover prone, he takes poor shots and his overall play is very erratic, to say the least.

    He will be a nice backup for some NBA team next season, just not for the Warriors. The play of rookie guard Charles Jenkins, combined with his minimal salary for next season, will make not retaining Robinson the easiest decision the Warriors will make all offseason.

    Dominic McGuire

    McGuire has shown flashes this season of being a key player off the bench. He is a good defender, rebounder and he brings in a ton of energy.

    However, his extreme lack of offensive game makes bringing him back a very low-level priority. If he is willing to accept a short-term deal, great, but if he asks for any kind of a long-term deal or any kind of raise, the Warriors should just move on.

    He is an exceptional athlete, but players like him are easily replaceable and can be found almost anywhere. Late in the first round or in the second round of this year’s draft, riding on some other NBA team’s bench, or where McGuire himself has played, in the NBA D-League, for example…the Warriors don’t need to spend any (more) money on a “tweener” forward who shot below 40 percent from the field in his previous two seasons.

    Mickell Gladness

    Honestly, would you even notice if they didn’t bring him back?

    After missing out on J.J. Hickson, the Warriors signed a 6’11” center to provide depth for a team loaded with injuries. Seemed like a good idea, but nothing really has panned out.

    When Andrew Bogut comes back and with the three draft picks coming in draft, the Warriors shouldn’t be pining to retain a bench player who has more fouls than points this season.

    Brandon Rush

    Rush has been better than anyone had expected this year and then some. He has been the perfect backup for this team.

    He has shot a high percentage on limited shots, he has been a good defender and has come in to play either wing spot with a good attitude.

    The Warriors would be lucky to have him on their team next year.

    The problem…so would a lot of other teams.

    Given his productivity and willingness to come off the bench, it wouldn’t surprise me if some team offers Rush a four-year deal worth around $5 million per year.

    With Stephen Curry due an extension soon and with Dorell Wright being a free agent after next season the Warriors should stay away from any kind of long-term deal this offseason. Even if it means Rush is playing somewhere else next season.

    Andris Biedrins

    Well, one can hope at least.

    The Warriors had the chance to clean the slate with Biedrins last season by using their amnesty clause on him, but chose not to do it.

    Now they have the task of trying to move a bad player with an even worse contract. With Bogut soon patrolling the paint and Jeremy Tyler emerging behind him, the Warriors can actively look to deal him. Now without having to worry about leaving themselves without a post presence.

    So let’s throw some gas on the trade rumor fire now to get it going early.

    This deal works!


    Here the Warriors would finally get rid of Biedrins, who desperately needs a change of scenery, for a former No. 2 overall pick, who desperately needs a change of scenery. This would be an opportunity for Marvin Williams to learn under Richard Jefferson as he could help him utilize the talents he has (had) that made him such a high draft pick.

    They would lose Dorell Wright, but with only has one year left on his deal he might not be back anyway, while gaining ZaZa Pachulia. Who would provide them with a nice big man for their rotation. The Hawks would get a center for whom they can plug in next to Al Horford, shifting more of his time at power forward, his more natural position. Plus they would add much-needed scoring in Wright.

    This is just one option of others the Warriors should be looking at to finally put an end to the Biedrins era.

  9. With the above, Warriors will definitely be in Charlottesvill next year.

  10. The only difference the Warriors are Post Monta is that games we MIGHT win, we can only get to -7. Portland and Dallas games this week are typical. Denver likely would have lost anyway.

    What you are saying above likely will happen *no Rush,Robinson, maybe no Mcguire*. Then we get some rookies, and combined with sophomores for this year, the upside is a different albeit slower less athletic team, which if EVERYONE stays healthy gets the 8 spot. Downside is 25-30 wins, and tanking for a possibly non existant vaporware pick in 2013. If anyone can take Biedrins (who now stays away from the ball on offense, I never seen any player in the NBA lije this) off the Dubs hands, take it! Jefferson playing in front of DWRight is a total joke. Jefferson has done very little but plays the 4th quarter. Then, no doubling on Nowitski, ever. Bogut for Ellis and Udoh, you can no longer count Jefferson! UG. DWright I agree is gone over off season if not as a free agent after next year.

    Wright* (Jackson does not want this, so maybe gone)

    2 #1 draft picks (Hey gotta hope for something)
    2#2 draft picks

    Jeez — lets hope no one gets hurt, and opponents are not able to run the slower Warriors off the court, thats what opponents will try for sure. Who is going to guard the Kobes of the world?

    We likely will be talking *Tank Syndrome* next year. Maybe its Lacob’s plot to increase alcoholic sales to fans at the game.

    • Mack,

      +1 on everything, but:

      – As a favorite of Jackson’s, McGuire might be back and maybe next year he’ll even get some PT in positions near the hoop where he could be more effective overall.

      – Tank Time is Bizarro World, with reverse logic. Jefferson might be playing the 4th right now to prevent wins.

      – Despite the fantasies some people have about trading Biedrins and Jefferson, DWright is the only realistic trade bait the team has left. If the team is going to trade at all this offseason, he’s leaving.

      – Some rookies can make a positive contribution in the NBA right away. 90% of them can’t. It’s going to be a very long season for Lee, and probably for Bogut.

  11. Feltist,

    Thompson does have a lot going for him already, and he’ll probably continue to improve as he figures out the NBA game. Still, quickness is never going to be his forte, and you’re right, right now it’s a killer for his defense. It’s not at all surprising that a “defensive-minded” coach would limit his playing time on that basis alone, though it could also be partly due to the fitness thing. No rookie could possibly be prepared for the grind of an NBA schedule, let alone this year’s condensed version. Whether NBA-level fitness is a factor or not, Thompson has shown some speed at times, but not quickness. Big difference.

    I’m concerned about how Thompson matches up with Curry. While the press always said Ellis and Curry were “too alike to coexist,” the fact is that, despite their physical dissimilarities, Thompson and Curry’s games are more similar. This description would fit either: great outside shooter, can drive the lane but it’s not a go-to move, somewhat slow-footed, below-average defender. None of that applied to Ellis (OK, bring on the arguments you Monta haters, but can you really imagine Thompson shutting down DRose, DWilliams, and CP3 in the same season?).

    Less-than-stellar defense from both starting guards limits the whole team. The bigs are going to have a rough year. With Bogut we’ll probably see better rebounding and fewer 2nd-chance points for opponents, but since he’s less mobile than Udoh he can’t be expected to deliver the same timely help defense. And of course help D has never been a strength of Lee’s either. Drive-first guards like Russell Westbrook and Tyreke Evans are going to have a lot of fun against the Warriors next year. Net result: little or no improvement in Warriors first-team D overall.

    So I’m going to predict that we’re looking at a .500 team next year, with no playoffs. And at the end of next season the Warriors look to break up the Curry/Thompson guard tandem. Because everything the press had to say about the problems of Monta/Curry goes double for Thompson/Curry. They’re both fine players, but they don’t complement each other even as well as Ellis and Curry did.

    • the top teams usually have two decent to very good perimeter defenders in the 1-3 guard/wing positions. clearly the woeyrs will fall short of that, and at best they’ll have one average defender at the 3 and two minuses unless thompson can bring his game up. the preacher is probably well aware of this and it’s why mcguire is his special scholarship student.

  12. @ #12 PB,

    Re Odom, part of his problem with Dallas was that they wanted to play him only at the 3, out of the position where he’s played most of his career. If the Warriors got him he’d back up Lee, who’s leading the team in minutes played. To get him more PT, they’d have to play him at C and SF as well. Given his falling-out with Dallas, he probably would not be happy to accept that arrangement.

    Odom is currently making over $9MM. That’s an awful lot for a backup. Neither Dallas nor the Lackers seem to care about salary cap, but the dubs sure do. It is not possible for them to hire Odom at anywhere near his current salary and stay under the cap. And if they did sign him, for ANY amount, they’d probably feel they had to pass on Rush.

    Odom can be a great player, but he has always been hammered for inconsistency. He disappears sometimes. No one knows why. Most think it’s a mental thing.

    Odom ain’t happening, Warriors-wise. All the big talk is just more Warriors PR whoopwhoop. Next we’ll hear that Joe Lacob is interested in Charlize Theron.

    • @White Hat – Great post! Hear me out…

      If and when Dallas/Cuban sends Lamar Odom packing for good (they just sent him home with pay until the end of the season) – and they likely will do so for good in June I think (something like a $2.4 million buyout or his $8-$9 million deal is good), doesn’t Odom become a free agent?

      If Odom were to become a free agent, he would then become a more affordable option for the Warriors – who could use their mid-level exception – and apparently have his former coach, mentor, and best man (wedding) on the Warriors coaching staff (Rusty Simmons article) right now.

      Should the Clippers and Lakers both pass on Odom, with Oakland being so close to his LA home – and his connection to the Warriors coaching staff – there’s a decent chance Lamar Odom will have to consider the Warriors especially if he thinks they have a chance at winning.

      I’m not saying he’s not a head case – the poor guy’s been through a lot and he’s married into the tabloids – but if he has something left in the tank… There’s a lot there with tons of risk!!!

      I’m in Feltbot’s camp here – Lamar Odom is a PF with small forward skills. Stretch the floor 3 point shot. Rebounder. Rim protector. Passer. Ball handler.

      Where’s Jerry West???

      • PB, it would be really fine to see Odom in a Warriors uniform. He’d be a great backup for Lee, and he’d potentially bring lots of other options to the Warriors game too.

        If Odom (and his agent) agreed to reduce his total NBA-related income by half, the Warriors would have a shot. Even if the Warriors matched his current contract, salary is only part of the income equation. With LA, Odom regularly earned playoff money and bigtime endorsement money in addition. No muffler shop ads (a la Monta), but movie openings. Players favor LA and New York for solid business reasons. It’s why the Warriors always have to overpay for free agent talent.

        Odom will be 33 at the start of next season. He has a brief opportunity to maximize revenue before retiring. Do you think a good friend would advise him to take $4-8MM per year less than he could earn elsewhere? For the opportunity to play for the Warriors? It would be a terrible blow to the business that is Lamar Odom’s NBA career. Maybe if he didn’t have any other options.

        I think he’ll have other options.

        • At White Hat – Yes – agreed about Odom having other options.

          If those LA teams DON’T not want him – the Lakers dumped him for salary relief and a late first rounder. The Clippers could be a great option for him (and odd homecoming if he burned his bridge there). No money Miami (burned bridge?)? Would those teams even want Odom back? At 33? With the Kardashian “melo”drama? Haha! I crack myself up! LOL!

          But in no way Odom makes $8 million/year on his next contract. Anyways – with Odom’s off-court issues and with Cuban/Mavs and his advanced age – his NBA value took a huge hit – and Odom might be too much trouble than he’s worth.

  13. Ellis has a strong positive rating playing with the Bucks since the Bucks have a better roster than the Warriors. Ellis had a minus rating playing for the Warriors as the result of his playing many minutes with Biedrins, whose minus rating was double that of Ellis, which diminished Ellis’ rating.

    The Warriors produce more with Thompson off the court than with him on the court. It’s truly a mistake to believe that Thompson at this point in his career is an adequate replacement for Ellis, as he does not get as many rebounds nor assists as Ellis. However, Thompson does have a higher effective FG shooting percentage than is Ellis’.

    • y’know, Frank, the frequenters of this gallery can probably discern the many differences between ellis and thompson. you should consider giving the novice until next winter before making any conclusions about what kind of player he is. both of these players rebound below par for wings. for years we’ve heard ellis’ fans say he’s really a point guard, and does fine in both boards and assists for the position. it doesn’t matter one way or the other now, for lacob’s team, and ellis can settle into whatever niche he and his team and coach work out wherever they are. he’s certainly more point guard-ish than thompson, though the latter has played the position and will probably function fine as one of the team’s secondary ball handlers. what limited ellis as a point guard for the woeyrs was his decision making, which includes shot selection and things like waiting until he’s trapped and airborne to pass the ball. maybe he can adjust and succeed as the primary point guard for another team and coach, but we’ll have issues enough with lacob’s team.

    • Frank – I don’t know why you don’t see the genius in Klay’s game. Since the trade, Klay has already proven to be an excellent replacement for Monta Ellis. Klay Thompson has scored more points than Monta Ellis in less minutes taking less shots at higher percentages (fg, ft, and 3 pt.). A lot less assists but also less turnovers. And Klay doesn’t need to dominate the ball nor have a huge size disadvantage on defense. Klay Thompson’s future is looking very good right about now.

  14. Hm. I thought we could do badly enough without injuring Lee, but I guess he had to go:


  15. “Klay Thompson’s (24 points, 8-17 FG, 3-6 3FG, seven rebounds, eight assists) scoring has drawn plenty of attention during the Warriors’ stretch run, but I’ve been impressed with his complete floor game. No one will soon confuse him with a primary playmaker, but Thompson has good skills and better instincts — he’s a nice passer, a solid ball-handler, and a good shooter, and seems to have a good enough grasp on the game to utilize those assets in meaningful ways. He and Steph Curry may not be a dream backcourt, but that’s a fun, young pairing with some lofty offensive potential.”

    The Two Man Game: Dallas vs GSW


  16. “Don’t call it a tank.” Warriors summer league in April.


    • The Warriors’ team that takes the Staples Center court to play the Clippers on Saturday afternoon will look much like the squad they’ll send to Las Vegas for the summer league in July.

      Rookies Charles Jenkins, Klay Thompson and Jeremy Tyler are already in the starting lineup, and coach Mark Jackson is toying with the idea of moving Tyler to power forward and playing more with a fourth rookie, center Mickell Gladness.

      The potential lineup adjustment comes in light of two possibly season-ending injuries the Warriors announced Friday. David Lee is out with groin pain caused by a hip problem, and Richard Jefferson is out with a swollen right knee, according to the team.

      Don’t like the injuries, but playing four rookies at the same time? YES!!!

      I forbid this team from winning more than one game the rest of the way. That would drop them to .348, pretty much locking in the 7th spot. Maybe even the 6th depending on Toronto.

      Wouldn’t that be so cool? W’s getting four picks, two in the first round. Wouldn’t it?

      • brytex, I see you’ve dropped your 33-33 tag.

        • felty, yes that dream is long past. I was dead wrong.

          A .500 record certainly seemed possible with so many close games at the beginning of the year. Overly optimistic I guess.

          33-33 (I stink at predictions)

        • What you and almost every other Warriors fan missed on was not the true talent level of the Warriors core. You missed on what Joe Lacob actually meant when he said “playoffs” and drafted Klay Thompson.

          Not your fault.

    • All this talk about a top seven pick is overrated. Otherwise, the Wizards, Wolves, Kings and Bobcats would be in the playoffs and not with the Dubs in front of the TV. You are being scammed if you think the Dubs will make the playoffs if they get Drummon et al.

      Owner Joe is a talker. Four more games at the Oracle. The fans don’t deserve 0-4 for the price of the tickets.

      Gotta say this:

      If Monta and Udoh were still there, they would have a chance to win some of the four! Despite all the Monta Haters, the guy can play and yes even when he was hurt! He is a gamer!

      Talkin Joe should discount the ticket prices.
      Cohan we hardly knew ye.

      • All this talk about a top seven pick is overrated….You are being scammed if you think the Dubs will make the playoffs if they get Drummon et al.

        Agreed, but isn’t there value in just having that pick as opposed to not having it? Heck, they could deal/trade it for who knows what. Could be a long long time before they get a top ten pick again.

        Owner Joe is a talker. Four more games at the Oracle. The fans don’t deserve 0-4 for the price of the tickets.

        Understood, but this pick/position is more important than the last four home games. It’s a very unique situation, isn’t.

        How about starting the four rookies, and seeing if they somehow can put together a gritty victory (only one, please). That would be a crowd pleaser, right?

        BTW, FWIW, I continue to watch every game.

        33-33 (oops)

  17. white hat, don’t forget to renew your season tickets by April 26. Thanks.

    Joe L.

  18. “The Maloofs want nothing to do with your city, Sacramento, and they don’t care how bad they look weaseling their way out of dealing with it in the process. No matter how sensible the plan, the Maloofs don’t care about you or your city or the Kings’ future in Sacramento. They want out of being in business with Sacramento.”


  19. Why not at least play Biedrins? At least for the entertainment value of watching him play 40 minutes and forcing him to take the ball on offense instead of hiding in the corner of the low block while his teammates try to maintain spacing. Or when the other team fouls him before he can pass the ball.

  20. One way to evaluate a team is how much it relies on its starters and how healthy it might be come playoff time. We’ll see what the Warriors have in reserve the next two weeks. This season, David Lee averaged 37 minutes a game and played in all of them. Ellis, essential for the team’s success before the trade, averaged 37 minutes as well. Next season, the team will have no serious backup for Lee or Bogut, offensively and defensively, and offense will drop off substantially if Curry goes down. In fact, after those three and Thompson, there’s not much offense at all (it’s not clear we’ll have Rush or Nate), much less floor leadership. Thus the team’s playoff chances will depend heavily on those three guys (minus Ellis) playing major minutes and finishing the season healthy. I don’t like the odds.

    At San Antonio, however, Parker has averaged 33 minutes, Duncan 28, and Ginobili 24. All three have been able to sit out entire games and get serious rest in others, and Ginobili missed almost half due to injury. And here they are at the top, apparently in good shape. I wonder if health and bench (and experience) might tip the scales for them in the playoffs.

    I would much prefer the Warriors build for depth and versatility, thus my interest in Denver. Thompson, at the very least, offers offense either as a starter or coming off the bench. Ellis gave the team a lot of versatility, as 1 or 2, with or without Curry — and could run the squad successfully by himself, as could Curry. (I always thought they could have been played in such a way to limit the minutes each was on the court.) There just aren’t many alternative options at 4 or 5 — versatile, Faried-type players who can step in and do well enough up front. At 3, will it be be DW or Jefferson? Neither has shown consistent performance.

    • Nice post RGG!
      Didn’t Pops’ Spurs win the last asterisk lockout title with Tim Duncan? Pops’ strategy of playing 10+ deep during the season – keeping everyone healthy during the season – seems to be working well.

      Every NBA draft – there are always Faried-type players – it’s just that the Warriors aren’t ever interested in drafting any…

    • I posted before the Clippers game. Three thoughts:

      1. The Warriors did get outstanding play from Robinson and Rush, who, again, may not be here next year. And DW had a breakout game.

      2. They stayed close against a heavily loaded front court, even though their “centers” (Tyler, Gladness, and Biedrins) had a combined 6 boards and 6 points.

      3. The Clippers aren’t that good.

      • agreed rgg+
        4) The Warriors Ran, Ran, and Ran. Proving once again, inferior talent can handle a lazy transition defense. Don Nelson lives today. I was ready for Devean George to come in midway through the second just to knock down a 3.

    • I think you’re right, it looks like the dubs will probably have a big dropoff in talent from the 1st team to the 2nd next year. Since we’re capped out it will be a challenge for management just to fill all the chairs, let alone put in some depth. The Bogut deal filled a big hole in the team, but created others.

  21. BTW Matt Steinmetz did not criticize Nate Robinson today. He only had 27? And ran the court so well. We could really use him next year. He is a gamer and fan favorite.

    • “…the Warriors deserve total ownership of the Bay Area market. If the floundering Sacramento Kings are relocated…”

      Why do the Warriors “deserve” total ownership of the BA market? The NBA may feel it’s best for all the owners to support the Warriors’ record purchase price, but fans would be better served if the Warriors were forced to compete for fan interest.

    • Uh oh.

      • The article does answer the question about who’s designing plays at the end:

        “When he’s finished, Malone walks over and hands the board to Jackson, who walks back to the huddle and reads the play to the team.”

    • The article raises a few questions.

      If Malone left the Warriors, would Lacob see any need at all to replace him? Who would do the Xs & Os? Does the boss think Jackson himself can replace Malone’s contributions in game strategy and preparation? If so, what would make him believe that? If Malone left, would Lacob hire another head coach as Jackson’s assistant? Would he leave that decision up to Jackson?

      What does Lacob see as the primary role of a head coach? Is it to be the public face of the organization? Is that the reason Warriors assistant coaches are not allowed to speak to the press? Would his PR ability/public image disqualify Malone as the Warriors’ head coach? Was that the reason Nelson was fired? Is it why Lacob hired Jackson over a number of proven winners?

      Even before decimating the team with the Ellis trade, the Warriors were on track to finish well outside of the playoffs (40% W-L record) despite all the coach’s promises. Does Lacob believe Jackson still has credibility with the media? With the fans?

      What does the boss honestly think of Mark Jackson’s performance this year? Did Lacob’s faith in Jackson drop even slightly below 100% when the Warriors went for a 4-game stretch averaging <85 points? How did Lacob feel when the Warriors lost decisively to three of the worst teams in the league (Charlotte TWICE!)? Given that Smart convincingly beat Orlando last year, does Lacob think Jackson's "hack-a-Howard" game plan was the best possible strategy against the Magic?

      How does Lacob assess Jackson's game-time performance re substitutions, coaching adjustments, time-outs and end-of-game play calling? Re the latter, is the team's record in close games a factor?

      After at least 1/4 of the Warriors games this year, Jackson himself announced that the team didn't play hard enough. How does Lacob rate Jackson's motivational ability at this time?

      Lacob made the national news when he was personally humiliated by fans at one of this season's premier events. Comcast has essentially taken the Warriors off the air for the rest of the season – no more TV revenue. With no media coverage, it's a given that ticket revenue is also suffering, including season ticket sales for next year, despite the addition of Bogut. Bottom line, does Lacob think the fans would buy more tickets with Jackson staying on as coach, or does the business need another new face?

      Just wonderin’.

    • I’m wondering exactly what Jackson does know about basketball. I’ve stopped listening to postgame interviews. All I heard was blather about energy and motivation (having it/not having it). Has he ever talked specifically about the game?

      I’ve been wrong too many times before, but it’s hard to believe that one of the conditions for hiring Jackson was that they get experience on the staff, i.e. Malone, and that this need will be addressed should he leave.

    • Stack Jack is back.


      And for some reason CSNBA is not broadcasting the San Antonio game until like 12:30AM? They’re bumping it for some live baseball thing???

      • “They’re bumping it for some live baseball thing???”

        It’s just a business decision. At this time, baseball games deliver more fan interest/viewership/advertising revenue to Comcast, with the promise of even more to follow throughout the summer and fall.

        Comcast could re-sell Warriors broadcast rights to other local stations on a game-by-game basis. It’s done routinely, nationwide, whenever a primary broadcaster has scheduling conflicts. The fact that Warriors games are not being aired by anyone at all means that Comcast has no takers for the product. Other potential broadcasters expect to net more income from Friends and Seinfeld re-runs, or even worse.

        It suggests that Lacob’s business is in deep doo-doo. Here’s another sign:


        Several thousand tickets are available for the upcoming Lackers game. No matter how badly the Warriors have stank at times, that’s a historical rarity.

        For whatever it’s worth, there’s no doubt that the situation has Lacob’s full attention.

        • time to give some comp tickets to community youth organizations. they’re always making noise about moving to SF and could show more appreciation for the area that’s made them top ten in franchise value.

    • I took away two things from this piece:

      1) “They kept their core together… that recipe works.”

      2) The game is not just played for championships. We Believe meant something, not just to fans of great basketball, but to all of the players involved. Something that will last forever.

      • 1) The recipe works when the core includes 3 all-time top-50 greats.

        2) We Believe was about hope, the stuff of life. When the Warriors broke up the WB team, Jackson gave up. Now that he’s back with the Spurs, he has hope again. It’s highly motivational. Watch out, world.

        • I believe Jackson was also referencing both We Believe, and his Charlotte playoff team of Tyson Chandler, Gerald Wallace and Raymond Felton.

          • Yes, well, OK, but keeping a core only works out when the core is worth keeping. There are times when it’s best to start over. Examples abound.

  22. OT: These are the stories that need more air time.


  23. “In determining the value of NBA players, we most often cite their standard boxscore stats, starting with points, rebounds, assists, steals and blocks. These numbers obviously have value, but the most important numbers in basketball are the ones on the scoreboard. And a guy doesn’t need to put up big stats to be a valuable player on his team.”


  24. Mikki Moore is back! (from Steinmetz)

  25. “When Nowhere Is The Only Place Left To Go.”


    I think it’s a safe assumption that there’s a fan base about a 90 minute drive north of Oakland that would “kill” to have Lacob and partners as owners of their team.

  26. Where do you guys get all this “good information”? LOL Tonight’s game is being televised LIVE by CSN PLUS at 7:30. If you’re not sure where CSN PLUS is on your TV remote check out the link below. For most it’s channel 410 or 780 HD (Comcast subscribers).

    Also, all the remaining games are being televised LIVE by Comcast with the exception of Wednesday’s game with the Lakers (ESPN) and the season finale with the Spurs (TNT).

    brytex… | April 16, 2012 at 10:03 am | Reply

    Stack Jack is back.


    And for some reason CSNBA is not broadcasting the San Antonio game until like 12:30AM? They’re bumping it for some live baseball thing???

    white hat | April 16, 2012 at 12:29 pm | Reply

    “They’re bumping it for some live baseball thing???”

    It’s just a business decision. At this time, baseball games deliver more fan interest/viewership/advertising revenue to Comcast, with the promise of even more to follow throughout the summer and fall.

    Comcast could re-sell Warriors broadcast rights to other local stations on a game-by-game basis. It’s done routinely, nationwide, whenever a primary broadcaster has scheduling conflicts. The fact that Warriors games are not being aired by anyone at all means that Comcast has no takers for the product. Other potential broadcasters expect to net more income from Friends and Seinfeld re-runs, or even worse.

    It suggests that Lacob’s business is in deep doo-doo.


  27. @33

    “How did Lacob feel when the Warriors lost decisively to three of the worst teams in the league (Charlotte TWICE!)?”

    white hat, I hate to disappoint you once again:

    white hat | March 21, 2012 at 4:48 pm | Reply

    Interesting that the team would announce Biedrins’ injury and surgery at this exact moment, after stonewalling for years. The timing doesn’t make sense as a change in strategy for handling him. The announcement eliminates any slim possibility of trading him even for a pair of socks, and there’s zero reason for the team to release him right this minute.

    Sadly, the announcement does make a kind of sense as a PR leak to soften fan anger over the team not amnestying Biedrins.

    If there was a glimmer of hope for Beans at the beginning of the season, they would have had to keep him, right? No one could blame them for that, right? After all, it’s only a “groin pull” and he had surgery.”

    Steve | March 21, 2012 at 6:25 pm | Reply


    I know this blog is loaded with fans who are primed and ready to get out the tar and feathers in regards Joe Lacob but let’s get and keep the facts straight, Biedrins did NOT have any sports hernia surgery last offseason.

    “Surgery and rehabilitation with a specialist in Vancouver, British Columbia, in the summer of 2010 cured the sports hernia.””

    white hat, the Warriors only played Charlotte once this season so please explain how they lost “TWICE” to the Bobcats?

    Let’s see, Biedrins’ supposed surgery, no live Warriors TV, GSW losing games they didn’t even play. Is this the blog where Warriors fans come to be misinformed? Apparently, Joe Lacob has had a transfixing effect here to the point where you can’t even get the simplest of facts straight. LOL

    • Steve,

      Re Charlotte: Woops. Must have been thinking of some other ghastly screwup for that mysterious “2nd Charlotte loss.”

      Re Biedrins: No one here said he had offseason surgery. The Warriors promised great things for Biedrins at training camp. If they had reason to believe what they were saying, they did the right thing to keep him. They were wrong about Biedrins, though, and that’s really the point, isn’t it?

      Re the TV schedule, thanks for the tip about channel 410 (410!), but even you have to admit that Comcast has been bumping dubs games from CSNBA (ch 40) in favor of baseball, with no mention onscreen where to find basketball. When Comcast doesn’t have a conflict, there’s no reason to bump the Warriors. No one said they would do that. It would be silly.

      Comcast has consistently aired Ws games on ch 40 all season long. Moving them to channel 410 (!) is as close to “off the air” as they could possibly manage without pulling the plug completely. Channel 410! Wonder what the ad revenue for channel 410 (!) looks like…

      • white hat, Comcast has had their “PLUS channel” for many years now. The channel is precisely for times, like tonight, when two or more Bay Area teams are playing at roughly the same time. http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/prg_csnplus

        I can’t believe you’ve never watched any games on that channel before? And this scheduling isn’t necessarily a last minute thing since basketball and baseball seasons always overlap a few weeks in April.

        Tonight’s Warriors game was likely scheduled for CSN PLUS before the season began, just as this Friday’s Giants game from NYC will be shown on the PLUS channel while the Warriors are back on CSNBA playing Dallas. Again, this was already on the schedule and is simply a case of the two teams working together to make sure their fans can watch their teams play even when the games are being played at the same time.

        Do you have cable and an HD TV? If so then you’re already switching channels in the hundreds (Comcast’s HD channels are mostly in the 700’s) to watch the Warriors in HD so what’s so unique about a channel in the 400’s? In fact, on my Comcast lineup of channels, 410 is essentially right next to MLB Network (412), NBA TV (416) and NFL Network (417). Do you think there’s any problems with ad revenue on those channels? In this day and age, with the proliferation of cable channels and viewing options, the fact that programming is offered on a channel with a three digit number has little to no meaning in regard to that channel’s popularity or pull with sponsors.


        “Re Biedrins: No one here said he had offseason surgery.”

        white hat, I posted above what you said about Biedrins supposed offseason surgery, which were actually piggybacked comments in regards to Felt’s erroneous post:

        feltbot | March 21, 2012 at 9:37 am | Reply

        I love how the Warriors are now calling what ails Biedrins a “groin strain.”

        They said he had surgery for a “sports hernia” in the off-season.”

        And as I pointed out at the time, the Warriors never said any such thing, and for good reason, seeing as how that particular surgery occurred in the summer of 2010.

        See how you can perpetuate all this misinformation through denial? LOL

  28. “Mr. Physical” complains about the game being too physical. Cry me a river.


  29. From NBA.com and David Aldridge. (Hmmm, summer of 2013? Maybe some extra GSW $$$ to work with by then??)

    Harden or Ibaka: who ya got?

    The Thunder — at least until this week, when it lost three straight games for the first time this season — have been on a roll. Oklahoma City has had one of the top records in the league all year; it has two superstars in Kevin Durant and Russell Westbrook, who are now both under long-term extensions with no out clauses through at least 2016; it has a great management team led by GM Sam Presti, a solid coach in Scott Brooks and a loyal, passionate fan base. OKC has become the model franchise.

    But, is there a reckoning on the horizon?

    After committing the maximum to Westbrook, likely $80 million over five years beginning next season, on top of the $85 million already committed to Durant through the 2015-16 season, the Thunder are putting some serious money on the table in future years. And with owner Clay Bennett historically unwilling to go anywhere near the tax threshold, OKC may have room for only one more superstar salary to dovetail with Durant and Westbrook, along with fill-in players.

    Hence, a potential problem with James Harden, the Thunder’s outstanding sixth man, and Serge Ibaka, OKC’s uber-athletic four. They may not be “superstars,” but they are among the league’s premier players at their respective positions.

    Harden is a shoo-in for the league’s Sixth Man award, averaging 16.7 points per game in just under 32 minutes off the bench. On just about any other team, Harden would be a starter at small forward and a perennial All-Star candidate. But in Oklahoma City, he plays behind Durant, and it makes more sense for him to come off the bench, where his scoring punch and, more importantly, his near-impeccable passing help the Thunder maintain half-court continuity throughout the game.

    Then there’s Ibaka, who leads the league in blocked shots (3.5 per game) and is a scourge to opponents who want to drive the OKC paint. He is 6-foot-10, 22 years old, jumps out of the building and has shown improving offensive skills. With Kendrick Perkins swapping paint with opposing bigs in the middle, Ibaka has been able to play his natural power forward position during the last year, and on just about any other team, Ibaka would be the up-and-coming star. In Oklahoma City, he’s the fourth option.

    They are both keepers, key cogs to a championship team. But how can you pay them both while paying top dollars to Durant and Westbrook?

    The good news for OKC is that Presti has a little time. Harden and Ibaka are both still on their rookie deals, which are paying $4.6 million and $1.28 million, respectively. Neither can become an unrestricted free agent until the summer of 2013. And Presti has maneuvered his cap brilliantly in the last couple of years, giving Perkins and Nick Collison contract extensions that decrease in salary in future years, giving the Thunder some breathing room down the road.

    Presti gave each player a signing bonus up front, using existing cap space. So Collison made $13.2 million last season, but only makes $3.2 million this season, then $2.9 million, $2.58 million and $2.24 million in 2014-15. And Perkins doesn’t have huge increases during four-year, $33 million extension that kicked in this season, with salaries of $7.3 million, $8 million, $8.7 million and $9.4 million.

    If Presti can somehow convince one of them to take less than what they’d likely get on the market, he still could pull this off. But we play devil’s advocate here at the Tip, and so, the question: If you could only keep one of them, which would you keep, and why?

    We sent out feelers to 24 of the other 29 teams in the league, also asking a couple of former coaches and executives their learned opinions. Of those who responded, seven picked Harden outright. Six picked Ibaka outright. And another six either couldn’t decided or wanted more time to think about it.

    The pro-Harden supporters cited his versatility and scoring ability.

    “Keep Harden,” wrote a Western Conference personnel man. “Hard to find (a) great scorer and facilitator. They think they can keep both???”

    “Harden,” said a Western Conference executive. “He’s a top 3 or 4 small forward in (the) league. Does it all. Very good.”

    “I would keep Harden,” wrote a Western Conference assistant GM. “He can play two positions and will be an all star.”

    “Harden,” wrote a longtime team executive, “because he is a real top line player along with Durant and Westbrook. Ibaka is a solid big, so I would like to keep him too but if I had to choose I would (k)eep Harden and look elsewhere for a big.”

    “Tough one,” wrote a current head coach. “Nine times out of 10 I would side with size. This case I would side with (H)arden. He’s an all-star. He does for OKC what (Manu) Ginobili does for the Spurs.”

    Some folks wanted a Solomonic solution.

    “Can’t I have both!!,” wrote a former NBA coach. “I’d pull a Pat Riley and do my best selling job a la Mike Miller and convince one or both to take a little less for the love of OKC and a Championship!!”

    Wrote a Western Conference GM: “I can’t make up my mind. Both so valuable. So good. So effective. My call is they will go into the (luxury) tax. If I was to pick today, I would pick Harden.”

    Another team VP also advocated keeping both, saying it was up to the Thunder’s ownership to do whatever it took to keep the team together. “I wouldn’t let the (organization) not keep both,” he wrote.

    Ibaka’s supporters were just as sold on him.

    “Ibaka,” wrote a Western Conference GM. “Harder to replace.”

    “Ibaka,” wrote a veteran assistant coach, “because I think losing him would hurt their defense & team more & Harden’s position is easier to replace in my opinion.”

    One Western Conference GM wrote that he’d favor keeping Ibaka because he suspects Harden’s agent, Rob Pelinka, will demand a max deal for Harden, “and he’s easier to replace,” the GM wrote.

    “I would keep Ibaka,” an Eastern Conference exec said. “…..so hard to find frontcourt players with presence in the paint ….love Harden, but I would rather have to replace a scorer off the bench, than search for a big like Ibaka.”

    Wrote another east GM: “Love Ibaka, he is the X-factor for that team…Premier shot blocker in the NBA. Perkins knows how to defend the post but Ibaka is the anchor of their defense.”

    A veteran scout preferred Ibaka as well, “because of his defense, shot-blocking and rebounding. His offense has gotten a lot better and will continue to improve. Harden is very good, but I think he’s easier to replace than Serge.”

    And there was — is — another potential solution.

    “I’d keep both,” wrote an Eastern Conference general manager, “and get rid of Perkins.”

    • Postgame comments:

      Mark Jackson
      On Nate Robinson And Klay Thompson:
      “In the second half they really battled, competed. Offensively, those guys had big nights. You look at Klay [Thompson] with eight rebounds. He defended and was efficient. Nate [Robinson] gave us a burst of energy and you look at the 30 points – what I liked better was that he tried to spark us defensively. Picked up whoever it was at the point and tried to extend and battle. We understand where we are right now; we’re shorthanded. The energy and the effort in the second half were acceptable. I can tolerate the second half; the first half…was very disappointing.”

      On The San Antonio Spurs:
      “They are extremely well coached – which is obvious. They have one of the best to ever do it. They have three guys that will one day be in the Hall of Fame. They are very efficient and they make you pay when you make mistakes. They are an outstanding basketball team. They will be a tough out come playoff time because of those things.”

      On Jeremy Tyler:
      “I thought he was, for the first time in a long time, he tried to catch and finish at the rim. He attacked. I believe this was his first ever double-double…but he showed some signs and he battled. He was active on the boards and also active in trying to challenge shots. Certainly a night to build on.”

      Klay Thompson
      On Taking Positives Out Of This Game:
      “Not really, it’s like our fifth game giving up a hundred. Only thing that you can take out of it is that us young guys, as rookies, we got a lot of experience with a game like that. Chris Wright came in and played amazing and just lifted up [our] energy. Jeremy [Tyler] played hard tonight, the same with Charles [Jenkins]. All of us rookies can take a lot out of this.”

      On Four Rookies Starting Tonight’s Game:
      “[No one’s] seen that in a long time from the Warriors. It was unique and we were trying to make the most of it and trying to get better every game, try to get some wins here and end the season strong.”

      On How The Spurs Are Compared To Other Teams They Have Faced:
      “They’re really good. You can tell that they’ve played with each other for so long. They know where each other is at and that have a good core. They know how to play together, so yes, they’re really good.”

      On Modeling His Game After Spurs Guard Manu Ginobli:
      “No, I just like to play my own game and do what I can because I know that I can be just as good, if not better than, Manu Ginobili. He’s a great player though.”

      Nate Robinson
      On Lessons Learned In Facing The Spurs:
      “We can’t give up leads like that. We can’t give up 39 points in a quarter or 70 points in a half, we have to play games together, like we played in the third and the fourth, we have to play like that in the first and the second and put a full and complete game together and we’ll be okay.”

      On What Coach Jackson Told Them During The Fourth Quarter:
      “Go out and play as hard as you can, as smart as you can, for as long as you can and we did that. We tried to cut the lead. We owe it to our coaching staff, we owe it to our fans to play as hard as we can no matter whether we’re making shots or not.”

      • Frank Thompson

        If nothing else, Monday’s game answered the age old question: So this is what Manu Ginobili would look like in a summer league game.

        That had to be the ugliest, most boring game of the season. Lucky they did’nt retire Mullie’s Jersey at halftime.

        3rd year in a row Biedrins quits and is not even on the bench at the end of the season. He still had a net minus in the box score!

  30. “The hardest thing in the world to find is a 7-footer with talent,” said Mavericks president Donnie Nelson, explaining the move in his office last winter. “You have to remember that a big man’s NBA clock is different. They develop later. They get comfortable in their skin later. When you draft a young person of size, they need more time than others to get comfortable with themselves. Sometimes, it doesn’t all kick in until 27 or so.”


  31. Frank Thompson

    If nothing else, Monday’s game answered the age old question: So this is what Manu Ginobili would look like in a summer league game.

  32. Van Gundy rants on flopping.

  33. Steve, thanks…

    Completely forgot about CSN PLUS.

  34. “I have no problem with a team tanking to get a top-three pick. Nor does it bother me when a team tanks with a modicum of decency and respect to competitive basketball. NBA basketball is a long game and sometimes it’s necessary to sacrifice a season for the future. But there’s no way to defend how the Warriors are tanking this year. By sitting Stephen Curry, by trading away Monta Ellis for an injured Andrew Bogut, by sitting David Lee, by openly pining for the return of their first-round pick, Golden State set a new standard for no-shame tanking. Again, this might be forgivable if the Warriors were trying to get themselves in position to draft Anthony Davis or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, but to so openly piss on the standards of competition for the no. 7 pick is inexcusable.”

    This is from another Grantland piece written by the same guy that penned the Grantland “tribute” to Monta Ellis (“Montametrics”) last month. Now, just as then, he goes overboard in the process of trying to make his point, and his obvious fan-devotion to the Warriors comes across so blushingly considering he writes for ESPN as opposed to some blog-for-beginners such as “The Bleacher Report”, his overall sanity comes more and more into question with each passing paragraph. All the (Warriors) losing has definitely taken it’s toll on Jay Caspian Kang.

    Or would you rather see Curry hobble down the court one more time for good measure before we break for the summer (and I still think there’s an outside chance they play him sparingly the last 2 games of the season)?

    David Lee? Anyone with even a modicum of interest in these last few weeks of GSW basketball has seen Lee in obvious discomfort from time to time in each and every game he’s played. From bending over and touching his knees for more than just a few seconds to running with an obvious “hitch to his get-along”, I wasn’t surprised in the least to read that continuing to play could possibly lead to more severe damage (groin) and maybe surgery. Tanking? LOL

    Since Felt has titled these recent threads “Tanking…” I’ve gone along with that theme in some of my posts but I honestly feel the whole premise to be more a glorious concoction in the minds of fans and the media that simply no longer is a realistic means to an end because of the lottery system put in place over 20 yrs ago. Just ask none other than the Warriors the year they drafted Chris Mullin.

    All that said, the link to “NBA Tankonia!”…………


  35. SI.com’s Power Rankings:

    Milwaukee Bucks (29-31)
    Last season the Bucks ranked last in offensive efficiency and 25th in pace of play. This year they are 12th in offense and fourth in pace, averaging nearly eight more points per game in a season when scoring is down overall. They are 10-7 since going all-in with their go-go approach by acquiring Monta Ellis to pair with Brandon Jennings in the backcourt. But Milwaukee jeopardized its playoff hopes because it couldn’t contain opposing big men in home losses to the Knicks and Pacers last week. Drew Gooden was overwhelmed by New York’s Tyson Chandler in the first quarter and didn’t return after the first five minutes. He came back with 26 points in 35 minutes in a victory over Detroit, but then couldn’t contain Indiana’s Roy Hibbert, who had 23 points (including 9-of-10 free throws) and 14 rebounds (half on the offensive glass) as the MVP of Saturday’s game. There are no shortage of staunch defenders on the bench — Ekpe Udoh and the undersized Larry Sanders and Luc Richard Mbah a Moute — but Gooden is the center who best fits the Bucks’ run-and-gun style. Unfortunately, if Milwaukee does manage to squeeze into the playoffs, its likely first-round opponent would be the Bulls, who have arguably the NBA’s deepest and most rugged front line.

    Golden State Warriors (22-38)
    It doesn’t seem to matter whether the coach is Don Nelson, Keith Smart or Mark Jackson; sooner or later the Warriors are up to their old tricks, enacting playground ball during garbage time. So it was Monday when Golden State entered the fourth quarter trailing the Spurs 96-72 and flipped the keys to the offense over to rookie sharpshooter Klay Thompson and vagabond gunner Nate Robinson, who proceeded to score 27 points between them on a combined 11-of-14 from the field. The rest of the team — second-round picks Jeremy Tyler and Charles Jenkins and rookie free agent Chris Wright — was a combined 0-for-11 but chipped in with three steals, three blocks and loads of hustle in the period to close out a 120-99 loss. Minus David Lee, Stephen Curry, Andrew Bogut, Richard Jefferson and Andris Biedrins, Golden State has lost five in a row and eight of 10 in its quest to retain its first-round pick, which goes to Utah unless the Warriors finish in the top seven in the lottery.


  36. In case you haven’t noticed, and are not a real fan cause you don’t go to the game, the Thompson led Warriors are like 4-16, get blown out on a regular basis. And we now know they are intentionally lose (sins of the past are now sins of the present?). Rusty is likely padding good will with Talkin J0e. Disinterested Joe by the way spends his time at the game texting as the Dubs lose to said Millwaukee, New Jersey, Minnesota, and other teams that are actually good.
    Thompson has a good numbers in a Bob Mcadoo sort of way, the good players score in games that matter. We may have to wait a couple years before 9-22 means something. Scoring 24 in a blowout? Defense, Rebounds?

  37. First Cup: Wednesday (If you’re hoping the Bucks and Monta make the playoffs it now appears Philly, falling like a rock, is eminently catchable.)


  38. MJ Lacob?

    From HoopsHype

    Sam Vincent One of Michael Jordan’s underlings:
    Interchange Rick Barry for Sam Vincent Joe for MJ and Golden State f0r Charlotte. see watcha get.

    “(But) I love what Michael is doing and the patience he is showing in building what I think will be a winner. … The route MJ is taking isn’t popular, but it’s the right thing. He had a team built around good, but not great players in Stephen Jackson and Gerald Wallace, and had a ceiling of just making the playoffs. That’s nice for an ongoing story during the season, but it’s dishonest with your fans. “MJ is about winning and winning big. He’s been adding talented, young players through the draft and is in position to land a high level player in a good draft this season. He hasn’t been impatient and gone recklessly into free agency for a quick fix player and he has a nice management team in place now. He’s positioned himself well under the salary cap and players will want to play in Charlotte.”

  39. Steve: I agree with everything you said about the Bucks having a tough front line. Just so disappointed that Skiles starts Gooden over Udoh, and Udoh only played 14 minutes recently. Bucks not going to make the playoffs unless he’s on court at least 30 minutes.

      • Curry interview before last night’s game (from TK):

        Q: Did you have an idea from a while ago that you might not play again this season?

        -CURRY: No. I had the intentions of rehabbing fully to get back 100% pain-free and getting some rehab practice time, allowing myself to really test it out. Not in games like I’ve been doing, where I just kind of jump back out there.

        Just kind of ran out of time and knowing we only have a week left, I wouldn’t be ready to go by the time the season’s over with. I guess we made the announcement then.

        -Q: How frustrating is it not to be able to get out there at least once before the end of the season?

        -CURRY: It’s tough. Even for myself personally you want to go out and get some minutes, test it out and feel confident going into next season that the ankle’s going to hold up.

        I just have to use my summer wisely to get to that point. Got four months, so there’s no reason why it shouldn’t be ready to go by October.

        -Q: Are you going to do anything different with the rehab?

        -CURRY: Just the treatments I’m doing are going to be as consistent and thorough as possible. Getting a gameplan of rehab going through each month of the season and sticking to it.

        Our doctors have kind of collaborated on a plan of attack, what I’ll be doing day-in and day-out. So as long as I stick to it and really focus on it, I should be ready to go.

        Plus wearing a brace next year full-time.

        -Q: What’s a good timeline for you–when will you be 100% and start testing it out?

        -CURRY: Probably in a month or so. There’s no real rush now at this point to keep wearing and tearing on it. The treatment I’ve been doing the last month, probably just keep that going and then at that point hopefully can wrap it up and maybe play some pick-up somewhere and get my legs back.

        At that point, I’ll treat it like a normal summer of preparing for training camp. Just know maybe add an hour extra a day to focus on my ankle and strength and balance and range of motion, stuff like that, that needs to be ready for a long season next year.

        -Q: Will you be doing most of that in Charlotte?

        -CURRY: No, I’ll be back and forth. I actually like to be out here during the draft process and especially leading up to Summer League. Want to be around as much as possible.

        Last year we weren’t around at all. You want to see some faces and feel that camaraderie. We have so many new guys…. I just want to be around. Kind of back and forth.

        -Q: Could going full-speed at a Summer League practice be a target for you?

        -CURRY: It could be, actually. That’s definitely a possibility. I don’t see why not. That would be a good controlled setting where you could play with some good competition and see some of these guys that are coming up in the draft and all that kind of stuff.

        That might be a good opportunity to get some minutes.

        -Q: Do you look at this as a lost season for you?

        -CURRY: No, I’ve learned a lot of things off the court. I mean, dealing with the trades we’ve had and new guys and trying to kind of build from scratch again.

        This has been a kind of interesting season off the court. Especially trying to become a better leader and going through these ups and downs this season.

        And not being able to play, you kind of see the game a little differently. When you’re watching on TV, when the team’s on the road, or even at home when you’re watching these guys play, you’re picking up things that you don’t see when you’re on the court night in night out.

        I think I’ve gotten better just being able to read things on the court being out so long…

        Mainly helping Charles (Jenkins) out has been a focus. Keeping him up, he hadn’t been playing as well as he was early in the year this last couple weeks. Just trying to keep his spirits up and give him some confidence and hopefully he finishes the year out strong.

        -Q: Are you thinking that an extension might not happen this fall? Are you OK if it doesn’t happen?

        -CURRY: That’s out of my control. When you have an injury like this you always have some doubts and some concerns when it comes to contract negotiations, especially my first go-’round at it.

        Whether that happens or not, I want to be out here and be a part of where we’re going.

        So it’ll be great if it did–and if we both met somewhere. But if not, I’ve got a season to play next year and to continue get better and whatever happens, happens.

        -Q: Are you worried enough about your ankle that you might take less than you’re worth, just for the guarantee? Or do you want to come back and play at a high level before you do an extension?

        -CURRY: I haven’t really thought about that. That’s something to think about over the summer. There’s really no real rush right now, no point in thinking about it.

        Really right now it’s just about getting healthy and making sure I feel comfortable on my ankle, regardless of any other circumstance, whether it’s my contract, things like that.

        I don’t really know how to answer that right now.

        -Q: What are your thoughts on Jenkins’ ability to be your back-up next season?

        -CURRY: He’s shown some bright spots and being able to control a game… I think maybe three or so games he’s really controlled it from start to finish.

        I think the highlight was probably in Minnesota–the way he really controlled the pace and made great decisions. I think he’s definitely proven himself to be a candidate for that…

        He’s a great guy, a great teammate, too, and that means a lot. I don’t know what the people in charge have in their plans, but Charles is definitely capable of doing that.

        -Q: Mark Jackson said he heard people on ESPN today talking about the Warriors possibly tanking and he laughed. He doesn’t like it. Is it bothersome for you to hear it, too?

        -CURRY: I’ve heard it–that’s definitely a topic that’s been out there.

        But these injuries we’ve had, they’re not fabricated, they’re not a plot to keep the pick and lose games on purpose. Nobody plays basketball to do that.

        So I think we just had some bad luck when it comes to injuries and guys who should be playing or would make an impact, haven’t been able to play. It’s a tough way to end the year. Hopefully we can end with some bright spots over the last six games.

        But we’re not tanking. We’re not losing on purpose. I don’t think anybody inside this locker room thinks like that.

        -Q: People are saying this to you?

        -CURRY: Oh for sure. You’ve got fans… I read Twitter and all that kind of stuff. It’s funny to kind of gauge how fans are thinking…

        If a team’s not in the playoffs and they’re losing, that’s going to be a topic. But we’re not thinking like that in the locker room.

        -Q: You’re still getting good crowds…

        -CURRY: The ones that really appreciate basketball and the ones that come out and support us, we appreciate that so much.

        I know it’s tough to be a Warrior fan right now, not winning and not being relevant in April.

        We say it every year, but we are building, trying to build and go in the right direction and get to that level. We haven’t done it in a very long time. So you’ve just got to keep at it. That’s the only thing we can control as players and coaches.

        -Q: So there’s a definitely schedule for you with the doctors?

        -CURRY: Right now it’s just we kind of came to the realization that we ran out of time to get back on the court. And with that you kind of change your perspective to take advantage of the summer time.

        The past five weeks, all I’ve worried about is trying to get back on the floor. And it wasn’t possible. So right now, it’s just a matter of sticking with the rehab, because it’s been working…

        -Q: Are you comfortable with the diagnosis?

        -CURRY: I’ve had so many hands on eyes on my ankle at this point. I’ve had five months… or a year, really, to look at it… I’ve had plenty of recommendations and just thoughts about how to stay on the court.

        Wearing a brace is probably the most simple but it’s probably the most effective. Trying to find the right brace and the right fit so that I can still feel free out there but my ankle’s secure, and we found that.

        So that’s a step in the right direction in getting truly a healthy ankle, not one that’s 100% just to play… Mentally for me that kind of thing is different, a different gauge when it comes to that.

        I think getting a truly healthy ankle where there’s no pain, no nothing, we’re almost there.

        -Q: Is surgery out of the question?

        -CURRY: It’s always right around the corner, I guess, as long as you continue to get hurt. But that’s a thing, if I get back on the court, it still doesn’t want to act right, it might be a possibility.

        But I’m not thinking about that. Want to stay away from surgery as much as possible, from what I went through last year… what surgery entails for the rehab process and all that.

        If it comes down to it–which I highly doubt–that’s the only way to fix it, then we have to think about it. But right now we’re not there.

        -Q: How hard is it to make the call, you’re done for the season?

        -CURRY: Yeah, you’re in season, you see the jerseys hanging up when you come into the facility, the locker rooms… you have one mindset as a player, that’s getting ready for games. Or if you’re hurt, getting back on the floor.

        You can ask our trainers and all that, me fighting them every day about how fast I need to be getting back to a certain level and how fast I need to be getting back on the court. And them keeping me patient. It’s not something I like to hear, but I know going through that process, that was necessary.

        Once we came to the conclusion we only had a week left and wasn’t going to be able to play, I guess the decision was pretty much made for me.

  40. Postgame Video: Mark Jackson


    • Postgame comments:

      Klay Thompson
      On Facing The Lakers At Home For The Second Time:
      “We just didn’t play well, both offensively and defensively. We knew that we were undersized coming in. We just gave up a lot of offensive boards and had too many defensive lapses.”

      On His Morale During The End Of The Season:
      “No, not really because I used to wish for the opportunity of [getting] playing time, I’m now getting some, so I’m just trying to make the most of it.”

      On Going Up Against Some Of The Top Level Defenders On The Lakers:
      “That was really good. We just missed a lot of wide open shots and we have to go and work on that. Just get in the gym and try to correct it tomorrow.”

      Jeremy Tyler
      On Going Up Against Pau Gasol And Andrew Bynum:
      “We had clear match ups on who we were guarding. We were playing against two of, arguably, the best big men in the game right now. I just went in with the mindset to play my hardest, do the best I can and follow our game plan while putting in a lot of effort.”

      On Learning New Lessons As A Rookie Going Up Against Veterens:
      “What I take out of every game: just learning and getting better and focusing on little things. All of the great players have habits, techniques and trying to be a sponge and soak up everything that I can.”

      On Focusing His Efforts On The Next Game:
      “Just going into the game playing my hardest. Going in knowing that I’ve played this team twice already and looking back at the things that I did wrong, attacking their weaknesses and just being the best player I can be.”

  41. First Cup: Thursday

    Gery Woelfel of The Journal Times:

    “There could be more than an NBA Eastern Conference playoff spot on the line for the Milwaukee Bucks in their remaining five regular-season games. There could also be John Hammond’s and Scott Skiles’ jobs. Hammond, the Bucks general manager, and Skiles, their head coach, are nearing the completion of their fourth year with the organization. If the Bucks fail to advance to the playoffs, it would mark the third time in four seasons under their regime that they missed out on postseason play. What’s more, there aren’t any concrete indicators pointing toward a more promising future. In fact, since their blockbuster trade last month that sent Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson to Golden State for Monta Ellis, Ekpe Udoh and Kwame Brown, the Bucks have posted an anemic 1-7 record against teams with a winning record. Of course, that will be easily forgotten if the Bucks reach the playoffs, which has always been Kohl’s primary goal for his GMs and head coaches. By making the playoffs, Kohl would also save himself an exorbitant amount of money. Skiles and Hammond each have one more season left on their contracts: Skiles for around $5 million and Hammond for around $2 million. At the same time, nobody should be startled if Kohl swallows one or even both of those contracts.”


    • Wow! 1-7 record against winning teams just adding Monta Ellis and Ekpe Udoh? The Warriors record is worse! A lose-lose trade so far (although for the W’s, losing IS winning) until when and if Bogut gets back healthy!

      A new GM might want to clean house. I want Ekpe Udoh back for his defense and shot-blocking and occasional offensive spurt as a PF backup – if only he could actually get rebounds?

  42. NBA Rookie Ladder: #1 Klay Thompson


    • From MT:

      Nate Robinson, a free agent-to-be, said he would like to stay with Warriors, but he’s not getting his hopes up. He knows how the game is played: “I had a great time. I love the guys on the team. Coaches have been great. Fans have been AWESOME. This would be a great place for me. But you never know what happens. … So you’ve got to play it by ear. Can’t be like ‘this is going to happen’ … It never happens that way. So that’s why you take it one day at a time and count your blessings.”

  43. Frank Thompson

    Hornets consider amnesty for Okafor

    The Hornets also could decide to use their one-time amnesty clause to waive center Emeka Okafor to clear more salary-cap space. Okafor is owed $28 million over the next two seasons. Even if the Hornets were to use the amnesty clause, Okafor is still owed the money, but it wouldn’t count against their salary cap. New Orleans Times-

  44. Felty: Correct me if I’m wrong in stating your position, but it always seemed to me that you didn’t want Udoh to start at center because he could not handle bigger guys like Bynum. In my opinion, such is a limited view, as Udoh effeceds so many more plays on the court, given his superior quickness over a big center like Bogut or Biedrins.

    I always found you position puzzling especially since you expose small ball, and Udoh epitomizes how effective small ball could be with the right coach.

  45. Tank Standings (4-20-12)


    I think the Warriors could win any of their last 3 games, what with the Spurs probably resting all their starters in the finale. Prediction? GSW finishes with the 8th worst record thereby needing ping-pong-ball-help to keep their pick.

    • rgg | April 20, 2012 at 2:55 pm | Reply
      What happens if three teams are tied 22-44? Is there a tie breaker? (Didn’t we lose to Toronto and NJ?)

      Tiebreaker may not matter. I’m with Steve on this. Even if W’s lose all games, they still might not make #7.

    • Postgame comments:

      Mark Jackson
      On His Mindset The Final Few Games:
      “Well, I thought it was outstanding effort when you look at the team that we’re putting out on the floor. A lot of injuries, a lot of young guys, at the same time I’m proud of the way they competed and battled against a championship team, and found a way to hang in until the fourth quarter when they [Dallas] clearly separated themselves.”

      On His First Season As A Head Coach:
      “I think the most valuable thing is this is something I dreamt about, and it’s totally different to dream it and to live it. So, experience is the thing that I will take into the next year. At the same time, playing for so many years, playing for Hall of Fame coaches, there have been no surprises. And I’m fortunate to have an outstanding staff that makes life so much easier for me and a committed group of guys that buy into the message.”

      Dorell Wright
      On His Ankle:
      “I’m good right now. It was just a little tweak, so I’m doing well right now. Our main goal is to finish strong right now. We want to compete out there and battle right now. We’re playing with four rookies right now and this is a good learning process for those guys.”

      On Tonight’s Game:
      “I think we competed throughout the game against the defending champs. Guys really came in here and played really hard, but the Mavs are a veteran team and they took over in the fourth quarter. You’ve got to expect that from them. We just need to go out on the court and compete.”

      On The Team’s Injuries:
      “We have a lot of guys that aren’t playing right now because of injuries and we have a lot of young guys who are getting great experience. We just need to be ready for training camp next season and make that push for the playoffs next year.”

  46. From Yahoo:

    “Golden State Warriors point guard Stephen Curry and center Andrew Bogut will have arthroscopic ankle surgery in hopes of returning for the start of next season.”


    • Postgame comments:

      Mark Jackson
      On His Team’s Play
      “Great energy, they (Rockets) competed and at the end of the day they made plays. I was really proud of my guys, we were short-handed, but put ourselves in position down the stretch to win the ball game.”

      On Klay Thompson’s Season
      “He came into this league as a great shooter, but he is an extremely hard worker and does not satisfy as just being known as a great shooter. He comes early and he stays late and he has put himself in position to be a great all-around player. He can put the ball on the floor and he’s a under-rated passer, and he is good on the defensive end, he’s going to be a heck of a player.”

      On The Rockets
      “You have to give our guys credit, because we didn’t come in here and lay down. We came in here to compete and we defended, battled and give them (Rockets) credit down the stretch. They made plays that separated themselves. It was a big win for them, keeping their playoff wins alive.”

      On Goran Dragic
      “He’s a guy that sat and watched behind one of the all time greats (Steve Nash). He took advantage of what he learned and also he learned a lot backing-up Kyle Lowry. When his opportunity came, he embraced it and took total advantage, he’s had an outstanding season and will make himself a lot of money.”

      Klay Thompson
      On Tonight’s Game
      “They just got some good offensive rebounds at the end that killed us, they pressure us when they made their run and (Goran) Dragic made some good plays. They just got some good open looks and knocked them down.”

      Richard Jefferson
      On Tonight’s Game
      (On the game) “At the end of the day making shots and making plays down the stretch is always important. We had some good looks, but they didn’t drop and Houston made the plays they needed to that’s a team that’s pretty much a playoff team that’s fighting for dear life, and they played like it”

      On Goran Dragic
      “(Goran) Dragic has been playing great and it will be interesting to see what happens with his future knowing that he is a unrestricted free agent. He’s definitely a starting point guard in this league and it will be interesting to things play out. The kids got a talented future.”

      Stephen Curry
      On His Upcoming Surgery
      “I’ve been through a lot with my ankle, the surgery is just a chance to get on the inside and look and see what’s going on. It’s just to clean out some of the inflammation during the season. Hopefully it will be a simple process and I will be back on the court in 4-6 weeks.”

  47. Tweetersville:

    AndrewMBogut: I am very disappointed to announce my withdrawal from the 2012 Olympic Games. After seeing a specialist I have decided it would be (cont)

    AndrewMBogut: best to get my ankle cleaned out via arthroscopic surgery. There is simply not enough time to rehab and be fully fit for the games.

    rodman5179: @AndrewMBogut starting to sound a lot like luc longley. Does the specialist work for the warriors? We’re tougher than that from the hills.

    AndrewMBogut: @rodman5179 yes im getting SURGERY cause i dont wanna play in the OLYMPICS. #moron

    rodman5179: @AndrewMBogut have surgery earlier? I apologise for getting personal.

    AndrewMBogut: @rodman5179 no. Bone needed to heal. Dont apologize, ignorance is virtue for people like you!! #moron

  48. Updated Tank Standings (and the tension mounts with Minny and NO up next).


    • The final three games presents a HUGE opportunity to upgrade this Warriors roster even further. Three more W’s losses almost ensures a high lottery pick in a nice draft. Two first rounders (Lottery + Spurs #1) and two second rounders. When’s the last time the W’s had this many picks? In a deeper draft?

      Jerry West will have a say in upcoming draft decisions. 8 game changers?

      This draft could provide the Warriors with solid, cheap, talent locked in for a few seasons.

      If we’re very lucky – a potential impact starter and one or two decent role players/prospects to round out our bench.

      If Warriors can parlay these assets to a rebuilding team, the Warriors can look to add a veteran star player – and REALLY upgrade next season’s talent! This time, the NBA’s GMs won’t laugh in our face like they did regarding Monta Ellis – which took a year + to finalize. Granger, Igoudala, Gay, are all possible albeit costly – and were all drafted later than #7. A package of a Lottery pick (let other GM pick), the Spurs pick (let other GM pick), and a playable veteran in Jefferson (unlike Andris who is unplayable) – and voila – GM calls might be answered.

  49. Houston:

    Actually, an enjoyable game. Much as I am opposed to tanking, I was worried they’d pull a win off last night. But Jefferson saved the day. What on earth do we have to look forward to from him? I’d like to see something from him now to make us excited about next year. It is also sobering to see a team like Houston have a shot at the playoffs. Our team is on a par, or could have been.

  50. This article, coming on the heels of the Artest hit on Harden today, explains the procedure for coming back from a concussion, which is involved and might explain why we didn’t see Biedrins or Love tonight (with a video of the hit):


    I don’t care what Artest’s intentions were. Harden brushed him just before, possibly tried to bump Artest slightly. If Artest didn’t know Harden was there, he’s too dangerous to leave on the court.

    Jenkins played too hard tonight not to pull for a win.

  51. Frank Thompson

    I like World Peace, but Artest definitely did the Hardin hit on purpose. You can tell because after WP swung his elbow and made full contact, he did not look back, and did not walk back to Harden not even a tad. Oh yes, he knew what he did.

    3 to 5 games David…

  52. We… won.

  53. OT: After the Warriors win at least 1 of their remaining 2 games all this silly talk about tanking will thankfully be over with. Give me Shark Tank any day of the week over NBA Tank.


    • Please Steve, not Hockey, rather watch the Bobcats play the Wizards!

      Post it on


      • LOL Point Guard, the “Shark Tank” I linked has nothing to do with hockey, or sports, for that matter. Check it out. It’s a lot better entertainment than watching Warriors games and pulling for the other team to win for sake of a draft pick.

  54. Jenkins did great yesterday. Scored well, had 9 assists to 3 TOs, even got rebounds.

    On defense Jenkins handled Barea well too (only 5-of-18 shooting). Where he used to consistently run behind high screens, yesterday he went over and through them to stick with his player and prevent long shots – something Curry and Thompson don’t seem able to do very often.

    Jenkins didn’t attempt a single 3-point shot, though. Continuing a pattern he’s displayed for awhile, his longest shots were all taken from the college 3-point line, not the NBA’s.


    With another off-season of practice to extend his shooting range, maybe Jenkins could be a good sidekick for Curry, not just a backup. Could that move Thompson to SF? Three great ballhandlers in the starting lineup would be a nice luxury for the Warriors, and another big change from years past.

  55. Milwaukee Bucks 2011-12: Going nowhere fast. R.I.P.

  56. “In a flashback to the Kurt Rambis Era, several of the Wolves clearly didn’t give a flip. They coughed up a 21-point lead late in the first half to the woeful, banged-up Golden State Warriors in a game that reflected badly on coach Rick Adelman, the Wolves organization and, most of all, the players themselves.”


  57. Felty: A good coach brought out the best in Brandan Wright. To bad that did not happen here when played for Golden State. Agree?

    • Frank, Brandan Wright had medical issues during most of his time with the Warriors. The Warriors finally gave up and dumped him off to NJ, where he played in only 16 games last year. It took another year of rehab before he started seeing regular playing time with Dallas.

      Here are the medical highlights, from Wright’s wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandan_Wright

      Due to an injured hip flexor, Wright was unable to participate in summer league play during his rookie season.[5] Of the thirty-eight games Wright played during his rookie season, he started in six.[1] In January 2009, Wright partially dislocated his left shoulder late in the first half of a game against the Los Angeles Lakers.[6]
      On October 14, 2009 the Warriors extended Wright’s contract until the end of the 2010–11 NBA season.[7] Wright damaged his left shoulder capsule during practice on October 2, 2009.[8] He underwent shoulder surgery and missed the 2009–10 season.

      The Warriors gave up Jason Richardson for Wright, and they had high hopes for him. He’s got the wingspan of Kareem, and some nice offensive moves. But it didn’t seem like he could stay on the floor. Feltbot used to call him a rag doll.

      Wright also used to make Nelson a little crazy because he was bad at boxing out and fighting for rebounds. On defense his incredible reach was a plus, but he played out of position a lot – he mostly just looked clueless.

      Now with Dallas Wright looks about 20 pounds bulkier. It’s nice to see him getting some playing time. But Dallas isn’t exactly building a team around him. He gets spot minutes, and will probably never be a starter anywhere.

      Wright has an unblockable shot but very little range. He still doesn’t box out and fight for rebounds, and he’s not a smart defender. After 5 years in the league, with 3 different coaches, I don’t think it’s the coaching. He’s still too easy to push around.

      • I agree with White Hat. He came into the league underweight, underskilled, and clueless about how to play basketball, but most of all lacking in courage or the will to compete. Some of that has changed with time and experience, some will never change. He’s the anti-Udoh.

        We’ll learn the truth about the “new” Brandan Wright in the playoffs. Let’s watch, paying particular attention to his +/-. My guess is that he’ll have a tough time getting minutes.

  58. “Fix Tanking”


    Every once in awhile I believe the idiots of the world deserve a chance to prove that they’re still worthy of “idiot status”. Afterall, if these suspected idiots don’t actually open their mouths (literally, via the print/electronic media or through our beloved blogosphere) how else to determine their current state of blockheadedness? Maybe beyond all reasonable hope they’ve been somehow cured of their mental incapacities?

    That said, here’s proof beyond a shadow that someone named Beckley Mason, after given his chance to prove otherwise, is now banished to the netherworld of morons for the duration. And given what I read and hear daily I’m sure Mr. Mason will have a difficult time finding a vacant apartment for rent.

    Exhibit A:

    “The Golden State Warriors are the latest example of what happens when pick protection goes bad. To try to hold onto their top-seven protected pick, the Warriors have thoroughly tanked the second half of their season — on Saturday night, rookie Charles Jenkins played 48 minutes and Mikki Moore got 24 minutes.

    Mikki Moore!”

    My question, if not Jenkins and Moore, than who? The only reason the Warriors signed Moore in the first place was the fact they were running out of healthy bodies.

    They played David Lee to death before his body (groin) finally gave out.

    IF Nate Robinson was healthy why play him over Jenkins when Jenkins needs the playing time and Robinson very possibly won’t be back next season?

    Curry’s additional upcoming surgery shows that Steph sitting out has been out of necessity and not simply the choice of the team based on their won-loss record.

    When Nelli’s team struggled to find 7 warm bodies to suit up a few years ago it had nothing to do with trying to lose. Sometimes a team is hit by a crippling number of injuries to the point where losing becomes inevitable, not some predetermined outcome.

    The Warriors have not “tanked” this season. To suggest otherwise is to join Beckley Mason on his apartment search.

  59. Bob Myers, new GM, talking with the announcers, said they were committed to Rush, but I guess it’s not certain exactly what that means. Rush’s drives, shooting, defense, and boards have been quite impressive the last weeks, though against weaker lineups. I don’t know what to make of someone who, by his own admission, prefers to come off the bench.

    No surprise with the Meyers move, and the Lacob takeover is complete. Anybody have a take on him? I haven’t been impressed.

    Wow, Tyler was embarrassing tonight. Another Anthony Randolph?

    • My guess is Myers is the reason why the W’s purchased the 2nd rounder for project big and former client Jeremy Tyler and the thinking behind making the failed offer sheet for another former client DeAndre Jordan. Meyers may have been the force behind the Bogut deal – or at least this is how they’re going to spin it. If he indeed has a strong relationship with Jerry West – I’m happy. He has a unique background as a big-time agent with all those relationships with owners/GMs/executives/agents/players/etc. I’m pleased with the direction of the team – just need this lottery pick to put more talent on the court/improve in trade.

      • But what does an agent know about assessing talent, especially those beneath the radar, or about how the pieces might fit together into a winning team? Like Lacob, he talks ideas with a certain surface appeal but that lack experience and deep understanding of the game.

    • Postgame comments:

      Mark Jackson
      On Playing The Younger Players Down The Stretch:
      “I thought it would be a great opportunity to see what these other guys have. It’s easy to do it when the season is over with and it’s easy to do it during summer league, but I really wanted to see what they could do against NBA players. I think each guy has really displayed improvement across the board. You look at a guy like Charles (Jenkins) struggling shooting the ball, struggling to score but has a good floor game and ends up with a double-double. He’s trying to learn the point guard position and he’s out there doing it with other guys playing out of position because we are so shorthanded. Overall, really pleased with how my young guys have developed and how they compete.”

      On Looking At Potential Rotations For Next Season:
      “I know where Klay Thompson fits. Other than that, it’s based on improvements we make as a team, whether it be through the draft or free agency or any other avenue we take. Ultimately, if I’m one of those young guys it’s important to take this summer very serious, improve my game and put myself in position to play. The one guy that’s going to play, no matter what happens, is Klay [Thompson]. It’s important for those other guys to continue to get better.”

      On Using These Final Games To Evaluate Players:
      “Well Charles [Jenkins] I know what he is. We’ve had a season of him starting eight games when Steph [Stephen Curry] initially went down – playing great. Going from backup, again to starter, we know who he is. He is a legitimate pro. The question is, whether he starts as a backup or as a third guard. This summer is going to be very important for him to hang around, get better, develop and put himself in position where he has a legitimate chance. He’s a pro and I’m very, very pleased with him – everything about him. I think the other guys, it’s important with him to develop, but with Charles [Jenkins] – I look at young guards around this league and he has toughness, competes, he’s a scorer and defensively he gets after it. He’s going to have to learn some things in the offseason, as far as the point guard position, but I’m very pleased with his progress.”

      Klay Thompson
      On His Injury During Tonight’s Game:
      “I did get kicked in the shin pretty hard. It’s throbbing pretty hard right now, but I’ll be able to go Thursday.”

      On The Level Of Pride The Rookies Are Showing:
      “To play those minutes in the fourth and getting a lot of experience with our players – Mickell [Gladness], Jeremy [Tyler] will just grow from it. We’ve all got a bright future and [close] to the end of the season, playing all of these minutes pays a lot if dividends in the future when we get it.”

      On The End of the Game:
      “You always want to be in as a competitor. I really wanted to be out there. I feel like I had it going but I’ve got to give it up to Chris Wright. He’s doing his thing hustling and making plays.”

      Jeremy Tyler
      On The Significance of his Increased Playing Time:
      “It means a lot. Coach [Jackson] feels as if I’m deserving [of] a lot of minutes out there, so I just go out there and try to do my best. [I’m] trying to work on everything that I’ve been working on all season. I’m still learning a lot, so I’m just going out there trying to get better every game.”

      On the Upcoming Offseason:
      “I’ll be up here the majority of the summer working out and training with the other rookies. Just work harder than I did last year. Looking at this season, everything that I’ve missed out on, everything that I need to work on-just maximizes that in the offseason and just work at things that I really need to get better at. [I] definitely need to get stronger, work on my post game, my defense and everything. Just watch a lot of film and just prepare for the next year.”

  60. “Monta started off well (4/7 fg) and managed six rebs, five ast and four steals, but he went 0/7 in the second half on his way to another bad shooting night. While I originally viewed the Ellis acquisition as giving the Bucks cover to move Jennings this summer, it’s becoming increasingly clear that Jennings (younger, cheaper, longer contract control, more productive) would be the better bet to keep if/when the Bucks have to choose between the two.”


  61. Sat next to Tim Donaghy watching the end of the game last night. He smiled as he collected his winnings… Damn.

  62. I gave in and watched the Warriors that Lacob is allowing to play last night. First time in a couple of weeks. I wish I hadn’t.

    It was the first time I had ever seen a professional coach, in any sport, intentionally sabotage his team and cause them to lose a game.

    The first time, anyway, that I truly understood what I was watching. It took me longer than it should have to understand what it meant when Mark Jackson destroyed the Warriors playoff hopes by starting Dominic McGuire at the two for the five games PRIOR to the big trade.

    Never seen it before. This is a memory that is built to last.

    • Mark Jackson’s sin was winning against the Minnesota Timberwolves on the road at the end of a b2b2b starting 4 rookies (and a D-leaguer), then playing 3 veterans at the close (his mistake). Reminded me of the emptiness of Nellie’s record yet hollow win.

      Rick Adelman – looked comatose early. His team lost against a tanking team at home starting 4 rookies at the end of a b2b2b.

      The Minnesota Timberwolves are a horrible graveyard of broken lottery dreams and very poor talent assessment… D. Williams, W. Johnson, M. Beasley,…

      • Yep, love how MJ coached Jefferson and Jenkins to miss their 3 shots inside the final 60 seconds of the game. I’m sure he also chewed out the team for coming from 20 pts down on Sunday to beat Minny and their great coach, Rick Adelman, who obviously coached up a storm and had his team ready to play for all 48 minutes.

        If I didn’t know better I’d say all this “integrity” noise sounds like the typical diatribe of a sports gambler. LOL

        • Nice Steve! Mark Jackson should know better being in the league 17 seasons – you’ve got to play Jeremy Tyler 40 minutes and Chris Wright 30 minutes and let them close out the game. Not Brandon Rush (great off the bench, maybe not good enough to start), Mikki Moore (who’s played on just about every team in the Association), and Richard Jefferson (I’m good enough to start on the Spurs, but my contract got in the way) – to close the game… They’re too good. Otherwise, why sit out David Lee, Stephen Curry, Nate Robinson, D. Wright, and Andris Biedrins? We ALL know they are healthy!!!

    • I don’t mind resting hurt players at the end of a lost season, though I wonder how hurt Robinson and Wright are. And I don’t mind giving the younger players and other potentials a chance to play and develop, though it isn’t clear how many of these players are being considered seriously for next season. (Does Robinson’s absence mean he isn’t?) And I must confess I have been pulling for losses the last two weeks so the team can get a draft pick.

      But the other way of looking at the tank issue is that it should never have been a temptation in the first place. The team only had to win a few more games at any stage during the season to put them out of the lottery, really only one. Losing is embarrassing and does nothing to strengthen a team or prepare it for the coming season. The Warriors have had to look at themselves as one of the worst teams in the league. Throw out Charlotte, and the other seven teams are a game or so within being at the very bottom of the heap. The record is the direct result of coaching decisions, trades, and probably mandates passed down that we haven’t heard directly. But the Warriors are not a bad team of failures and mismatches with poor motivation. Until the last weeks, they played closely other teams who stayed within contention.

      So far all Lacob & Co. can point to and take credit for is an embarrassing season and another year lost in its development.

      • So true RGG! All the NBA teams are doing this – It’s silly to buy an NBA ticket in advance for the end of the season’s games – you are much better off buying a Summer League ticket because at least you KNOW IN ADVANCE what you’ll be getting and won’t be disappointed…

  63. How an NBA bettor handicaps a coach with no integrity: http://bit.ly/K4kqgl

  64. Nellie did not share your assessment of B. Wright. You forget that Nellie said that B.Wright played the best coming out out of Nellie’s last training camp. Then B. Wright went down again with an injury. Never should have been traded. Yes, contrary to popular belief, when used properly, he is a very good basketball player.

  65. Pacers coach Frank Vogel on David Letterman as a young man:


  66. @ 106

    Steve, players don’t tank. They play for pride and money. That doesn’t change with the likelihood of team success. As a result, even bad teams win occasionally. That’s not proof of “not tanking.”

    Team management is motivated differently. Sometimes they make the decision to give up on a season. They do it to rebuild an aging lineup, to reduce salary to avoid financial disaster, to facilitate trades, and sometimes just for the draft rights to a difference-maker. From a Big Picture perspective it’s hard to argue with any of those reasons.

    Most teams, most of the time, will even be honest with fans about plans that have a negative short term impact, but no team has ever admitted to tanking for a draft pick. They can’t. Revenue would go to zero and David Stern’s head would explode. Denying tanking is not proof of “not tanking.”

    Warriors management made the decision to throw this season when they made the Bogut deal. Before the trade, we were at a 40% W-L record, not good enough to make the playoffs. Then they shipped off their one active NBA-starter-quality guard and their 2nd best big man in exchange for a 3rd-string small forward and a currently unavailable player.

    Team management isn’t any dumber than we are, they knew the impact the trades(s) would have on this season’s record. There isn’t any question about what they did, why they did it, or what it would do to the team’s competitiveness this season. The only remaining question is how far management is willing to sink the team record, to keep their high draft pick.

    It absolutely is fair to wonder about it. That’s especially true now because the trade leaves the Warriors with big holes in the lineup, very few trade options and a stifling salary cap problem.

    Barring a Jefferson trade (which is not likely), and assuming the team feels it necessary to stay under the salary cap (they’ve said it’s important to them), then the best team the Warriors can possibly have next year has to include rookies who can make an immediate contribution. The odds of getting rookies like that improves tremendously the higher they’re drafted.

    In the Big Picture, is it worth making this season’s record just a little bit worse to keep that #7 pick? Yes it is. Would the team say so? Absolutely not. Would fans know? Of course not. But it sure makes a lot of sense. It’s just a couple more losses in a lost season, with a big payoff. It would even be easy to do, and no one could prove anything. Hey, the coach has made inexplicable decisions all season long.

    So here’s my question for you, Steve:

    Why wouldn’t the Warriors owners want to tank?

  67. What do we expect???

    It’s the end of a lockout shortened season. Poorly designed draft protections. Playoff positioning. Lottery positioning. It’s a very bad NBA product at this moment…

    The Warriors have tanked this entire season… Why stop now? Vs. the Timberwolves? No David Lee, Stephen Curry, Dorell Wright, Nate Robinson, Andris Biedrins…

    The Hornets – no Eric Gordon, Trevor Ariza, Chris Kaman, the point guard who hit a triple double (from Toronto), E. Okafor, Jason Smith…

    Surely not all these players can be injured, no?

    Really, ask yourself, what did we expect???

    Tank you very much…

  68. OK, here’s my solution: Have a fight for pride tournament at the end of the season. The eight worst teams play in a single elimination tournament after the season is over (double elimination to take care of seeding issues?). The winner gets first draft pick, runner up second, etc.

    I’m not serious and I can think of a lot of reasons it wouldn’t work, but I kind of like this idea. Teams like Charlotte would get punished for being so bad — they wouldn’t have a chance of landing a top tier player as usually only the top 3 or so draft picks are really worth a shot. Also fans would get rewarded with genuinely competitive games after enduring weeks of tanking.

    • Also we won’t see really great players get stuck with really bad teams.

    • Also I was inspired by Simmons’:

      “My Entertaining as Hell Tournament — the top seven seeds in each conference make the playoffs, then the other 16 teams play a single-elimination tournament to ‘win’ the no. 8 seeds. This would discourage tanking for lottery picks, reward late-bloomer teams and generate extra interest because, again, this tournament would be entertaining as hell. All 14 games would be televised — eight in Round 1, four in Round 2, then a doubleheader final at Madison Square Garden to decide the no. 8 seeds — over a week as the other 14 playoff teams regrouped and rested up.”


  69. I haven’t thought this through, but this is a gambler’s delight.

    Instead of draft protections – give teams options to choose. The Warriors can decide to give Utah (via Nets) this year’s pick or have the option of next year’s pick. Or give Utah the option of taking this year’s Warrior’s pick or next years. Lots of speculation/second guessing here could make it more fun… Although this tanking – has made me follow the Warriors until the end of the season!!! LOL!

  70. David Lee the Latest Warrior to Have Surgery

    By Marcus Thompson
    Wednesday, April 25th, 2012 at 4:27 pm in Uncategorized.

    Warriors forward David Lee will have surgery to repair a torn abdominal muscle in Philadelphia, according to team sources.

    Lee missed the last seven games with a strained groin and a stress reaction, discovered during an MRI on April 13 that all but forced him out for the rest of the season. Lee went to visit specialist Dr. William Meyers in Philadelphia to have his groin examined. The result is he’ll need surgery to repair the damage.

    It is not yet known how long he’ll be out.

  71. From Steinmetz, on Curry:

    “The surgery went about as well as we could have hoped for entering the procedure,” Ferkel said. “We were pleased that the surgery was limited to a cleaning out procedure and I anticipate that he’ll be before the start of training camp.”

    Lee’s symptoms sound eerily familiar. We need a doctor on this blog.

    • You’re right, rgg. Lee’s symptoms sound exactly like the lies the Warriors have told to cover up Biedrins’ Osteitis Pubis condition.

  72. @118

    “I have no problem with a team tanking to get a top-three pick. Nor does it bother me when a team tanks with a modicum of decency and respect to competitive basketball. NBA basketball is a long game and sometimes it’s necessary to sacrifice a season for the future. But there’s no way to defend how the Warriors are tanking this year. By sitting Stephen Curry, by trading away Monta Ellis for an injured Andrew Bogut, by sitting David Lee, by openly pining for the return of their first-round pick, Golden State set a new standard for no-shame tanking. Again, this might be forgivable if the Warriors were trying to get themselves in position to draft Anthony Davis or Michael Kidd-Gilchrist, but to so openly piss on the standards of competition for the no. 7 pick is inexcusable.”


    “The Golden State Warriors are the latest example of what happens when pick protection goes bad. To try to hold onto their top-seven protected pick, the Warriors have thoroughly tanked the second half of their season — on Saturday night, rookie Charles Jenkins played 48 minutes and Mikki Moore got 24 minutes.

    Mikki Moore!

    Accordingly, since March 14 the Warriors have gone 5-19 in a desperate attempt to hang on to that protected pick. What the Warriors have done this past month is an abomination and needs to be stopped.”


    I gave in and watched the Warriors that Lacob is allowing to play last night. First time in a couple of weeks. I wish I hadn’t.

    It was the first time I had ever seen a professional coach, in any sport, intentionally sabotage his team and cause them to lose a game.”

    “How an NBA bettor handicaps a coach with no integrity.”


    white hat, my problem isn’t with “tanking”, it’s with “tanking”. Huh?

    It’s obvious that Warriors management sacrificed any likely success (playoffs) this season for the potential betterment of the team and franchise in future seasons. With a weakened roster, in both numbers and health, along with a brutally tough schedule in April, the Warriors had nowhere to go but down in the short term. Not a fun thing to watch as a fan, but given the possible upside to future seasons it’s something I can understand and also give my approval to. This form of “tanking”, in other words, I’m on board with.

    The other “tanking” is the intimation that GSW has been intentionally losing games by playing certain players over others (i e the three examples posted above). The latest news regarding David Lee illustrates how absurdly moronic this mindset is and has been this past month or so. If anything, the Warriors should be criticized for running their best remaining player into the proverbial ground in basically meaningless games. And why would they be even tempted to do this if THIS form of “tanking” was so vital to their future and at the very top of any company mandated memo? Please.

    Why wouldn’t the Warriors owners want to “tank”? white hat, they did “tank” the season when they traded for Bogut and his fractured ankle. Obviously. Not arguable. And I believe it gives them a chance to emerge from the pack of going-nowhere-fast teams (see Milwaukee) to instead become a relevant playoff contender for years to come. But please stop with all this blathering nonsense about who’s playing and for how many minutes. That’s precisely the “tanking” that has no merit whatsoever. What healthy players the Warriors have left have been busting their collective butts to win every game possible. That’s also obvious and not arguable.

    It’s also not arguable that Mark Jackson played Lee, and played Lee, and then played Lee some more, up until Warriors doctors said enough is enough. I wonder why a coach supposedly so lacking in integrity would continue playing Lee under the circumstances (health) when losing each and every game, according to the media idiots, has been the Warriors game plan for the last month or more?

    white hat, it’s all in the definition of “tanking”. I have no issue with one, but lots with the other.

    • Steve @ 106

      The Warriors threw the game on Tuesday, why is there a debate? I, an “authentic warrior fan” was at the game (what can I say, I had tickets and a date I promised to take to a Warrior game, I only had two games left).

      I offer the evidence (You can do a Feltbot post game validation if you have still have this gem on Tivo).

      1. Warrior fans were cheering “Lets go Hornets” in various stages of the game, and you can hear them sporadically at the end of the game (~2-3 minutes to go) when the game was not yet decided, but the Warriors up 81-76. Why did the Dub fans cheer for the Hornets Steve?

      2. Warriors tied 81-81 with the ball 20 seconds left in the game. Inexpicably, Jenkins shoots with way too much time on the clock (and Brandon Rush on the bench with Klay and DWright who I guess were too tired or too hurt to play), and don’t forget the timeout that wasnt called.

      On the ensuing rebound, no one gets back on defense (3 on 1 fast break), although a hustling CWright blocked a missed Bellinelli layup hit the backboard. Automatic goal tend, and as Barnett gleefully states “Hornets win!”. Have you ever seen a game end like this one?

      3. Confetti drops from the Oracle after the Hornet win. Hey wait a minute, are we in New Orleans or Oakland? OKay, it was the section of fans behind the Warrior bench, but you can see it. I dont “think” this came from the Warriors management?

      4. Hornets point guard Greivis Vasquez and a couple other Hornets thanksfully cheered the fans for the authentic Warrior fan support after the game as they cheered and clapped highly as they left the court after game. They were visibly laughing. Some of this is clearly visible on the game tape.

      Apparently some fans are still in denial. Even the “great knowledgeable” Dub fans get it. Oh well maybe one or two do not.

      “De Nile” is not just a river in Egypt.

      ps…It is damage control and a good thing. It is not a panacea, but maybe a good player comes out of this. And next year’s roster needs as many bodies as possible.

      • JazzMan, I’m glad you and your date were so fortunate to attend such an epic event. It’s not often when both the coach AND his players are all “in on the fix”, which you so explicitly imply (“Jenkins shoots with way too much time on the clock”, “No one gets back on defense”). Not even our fearless leader of dubious doings is that intoxicated with his rants of duplicity.

        Just a shame you weren’t in Minny on Sunday. Seeing as how that’s the game they screwed up you could have thrown something besides confetti on the players for winning (maybe broken beer bottles?). LOL

        Go Spurs!

  73. Steve, I’m sorry but you’ve got your head in the sand. Mark Jackson intentionally coached last night’s game to lose. The Warriors best two players at this time are Brandon Rush and Klay Thompson. Here’s the link to see the minutes they got in the 4th quarter (Rush 2, Thompson 0), in case you didn’t notice it while watching:


    I have never in my entire life seen a coach intentionally sabotage his team’s chances to win a game. And I personally feel there is something very, very wrong with doing it.

    This is not even getting into the issue of those 5 team-destroying starts Dom McGuire got at the 2 right before the trade. The tank to set up the tank. Make it more palatable. Make Riley’s words about being stuck in a rut more believable.

    I have said all along that managements tank. Happens all the time, for all sorts of reasons, basketball as well as draft related.

    But players never, ever tank. Those that are allowed to play, play to win every time they take the court, as they should.

    And until last night (and until I fully understood the McGuire fiasco), I would have said that coaches never, ever tank as well. I literally have never seen it before. And for good reason. It is disgusting. A betrayal not just of one’s players, but of one’s integrity.

    And from a man who never hesitated to throw his players under the bus to cover for his own incompetence… it’s unspeakable.

    • As Lacob says, it’s about history and respect:

    • Felt, I might have my “head in the sand” but unfortunately for the good of your sanity it appears you have your head buried even deeper in something else.

      The game that very well could “doom” the Warriors in regards the upcoming draft was Sunday’s win in Minnesota. In that game, made to order to lose “intentionally” (3rd game in as many days, and then falling far behind early) Jackson instead kept his foot on the gas and played his best players to the very end. Thompson played all but 5 minutes of the 48, Rush off the bench played 34 minutes, etc. Why in the world would Jackson coach to win Sunday and then to lose Tuesday? Utter nonsense.

      He said after the game last night that he removed KT after he picked up his 4th foul then decided to go with the group that had played well for most of the 4th qtr. The Warriors never looked liked they were going to lose during those last 12 minutes until Wright’s goaltend with .007 left.

      The hilarious thing with your suppositions is that from the opening jump ball of this season you’ve been critical of Jackson’s coaching methods. You’re still whistling the same tune only now you’ve thrown in the integrity card for the ultimate cherry-on-top. LOL

      If it’s not “management’s lies” it’s Lacob’s orders to do this or that and now Jackson tanking games by not playing all those HOF’ers sitting on his bench. Good grief, man, get a grip.

      • Because on Tuesday, his job was on the line.

      • as the feltmeister implies, don’t you think the owner had some advice to share with his coach after that Min game ? Thompson was pulled from the NO game just before the end of the third quarter, never to reappear, and Rush made it through about a third of the final quarter when he was pulled to revive NO’s chances. Rush’s sub McGuire in turn was replaced by M.Moore for the final minutes, and even that barely sufficed.

        throwing a home game shows how much the lacobites really care. it did not help their cause when UT eked into the post season, losing its first round pick, and their front office expressed displeasure at Lacob’s public boasts about negotiating to reclaim the traded pick.

        • Felt, really? But what about this?

          Q: Will you definitely be bringing Mark Jackson back next season?

          -LACOB: I’ll let Bob address that Thursday. It’s his job and he’s the man responsible. So I’ll let him address it Thursday.

          -Q: Do you think Jackson’s done a good job?

          -LACOB: Look, I think Mark’s done a really nice job this year. It’s been a tough year and we put him into an odd set of circumstances when we pivoted midway through the year, obviously…

          But I’ll let Bob comment on Thursday.”

          And this?

          “Mark Jackson will be back next season as Warriors coach, new GM Bob Myers confirmed to me Tuesday night. Certainly not a surprise, since Warriors officials have telegraphed this one for weeks.

          Warriors management liked him when Jackson was hired and they might even like him more now after this rough, transitory season. So again, no surprise. But at least it is official. “He’s good,” Myers said of Jackson’s status for the long-term. “He’s done a great job.”

          Both the transcript (Lacob) and the info from Myers courtesy our good buddy TK and posted on his blog at 7:56 Tuesday night. In other words, Jackson coming back next season was confirmed well before the NO game even started.

          They’re apparently announcing Jackson’s return before Thursday’s finale vs the Spurs. So what happens if the Dubs beat SA? Do they call an impromptu PC the next day to announce his firing? LOL

      • Steve. Two minutes combined in the the fourth quarter for the Warriors two best players. One of whom Lacob is promoting all over the Bay. Even created a twitter account to promote him for ROY.

        A basketball decision?

        Please, let’s keep it real.

        • “Because on Tuesday, his job was on the line.”

          “Please, let’s keep it real.”

          By all means.

    • Where were you when the San Antonio Spurs tanked an entire season to get Tim Duncan. Oh wait you worship the Spurs so that doesn’t count. I think I figured it out Steve. Felty has his head buried in the lap of Don Nelson. This is why is so biased.

  74. Surgery for Warriors PG Stephen Curry Deemed Successful

    By Marcus Thompson
    Wednesday, April 25th, 2012 at 5:05 pm in Uncategorized.

    UPDATE: Warriors announced surgery was successful Wednesday night. According to the team’s release, Curry is expected to return to on-court basketball activities in 3 to 4 months.

    Warriors point guard Stephen Curry underwent successful surgery on his right ankle Wednesday in Van Nuys, according to a source with knowledge of Curry’s surgery. The exploratory arthroscopic surgery, performed by Dr. Richard Ferkle, revealed no structural damage.

    Dr. Ferkle just cleaned out scar tissue and a few bone spurs. No torn ligaments and the previous surgery — performed last May by OrthoCarolina specialist Dr. Bob Anderson in Charlotte — held up.

    Warriors team doctors and specialists are conferring with Ferkle about a rehabilitation plan. A timetable is not yet known, but the results of the surgery were received as good news.

  75. Regular season grades from SI.com:

    D Golden State Warriors (23-42)

    In a nutshell, the Warriors reprised their usual combination of crowd-pleasing offense and lackluster defense in the first half of the season; made some significant big-name trades in the middle; and finished out the year trying to lose enough games to improve their chances of keeping their first-round pick, which goes to Utah if it is not among the first seven selections. Gone are Monta Ellis, the skillful but redundant backcourt mate for Stephen Curry, and Ekpe Udoh, the team’s best low-post defender. New to the team are center Andrew Bogut, who, when healthy, is the sort of two-way player who has been all too rare on the roster, and forward Richard Jefferson, who has two years and $21.2 million left on his contract after this season. Bogut and Curry could be a dynamic pair, but both have been injury-plagued these last two seasons, and both are having ankle surgery in the offseason. Losing Ellis paved the way for Klay Thompson, a lights-out shooter as a rookie, who in some ways reinstates the skill redundancy with Curry. After a muddled season, Golden State is selling hope and promise, which isn’t so different from last year, when the Warriors had a muddled season and hired coach Mark Jackson, who announced the team would make the playoffs.


    • “and both are having ankle surgery in the offseason”

      I assume this is a mistake. Both just had surgery, and there has been no report of follow up work.

  76. Steve @ 106

    The Warriors threw the game on Tuesday, why is there a debate? I, an “authentic warrior fan” was at the game (what can I say, I had tickets and a date I promised to take to a Warrior game, I only had two games left).

    I offer the evidence (You can do a Feltbot post game validation if you have still have this gem on Tivo).

    1. Warrior fans were cheering “Lets go Hornets” in various stages of the game, and you can hear them sporadically at the end of the game (~2-3 minutes to go) when the game was not yet decided, but the Warriors up 81-76. Why did the Dub fans cheer for the Hornets Steve?

    2. Warriors tied 81-81 with the ball 20 seconds left in the game. Inexpicably, Jenkins shoots with way too much time on the clock (and Brandon Rush on the bench with Klay and DWright who I guess were too tired or too hurt to play), and don’t forget the timeout that wasnt called.

    On the ensuing rebound, no one gets back on defense (3 on 1 fast break), although a hustling CWright blocked a missed Bellinelli layup hit the backboard. Automatic goal tend, and as Barnett gleefully states “Hornets win!”. Have you ever seen a game end like this one?

    3. Confetti drops from the Oracle after the Hornet win. Hey wait a minute, are we in New Orleans or Oakland? OKay, it was the section of fans behind the Warrior bench, but you can see it. I dont “think” this came from the Warriors management?

    4. Hornets point guard Greivis Vasquez and a couple other Hornets thanksfully cheered the fans for the authentic Warrior fan support after the game as they cheered and clapped highly as they left the court after game. They were visibly laughing. Some of this is clearly visible on the game tape.

    Apparently some fans are still in denial. Even the “great knowledgeable” Dub fans get it. Oh well maybe one or two do not.

    “De Nile” is not just a river in Egypt.

    ps…It is damage control and a good thing. It is not a panacea, but maybe a good player comes out of this. And next year’s roster needs as many bodies as possible.

    • JazzMan, I’m glad you and your date were so fortunate to attend such an epic event. It’s not often when both the coach AND his players are all “in on the fix”, which you so explicitly imply (“Jenkins shoots with way too much time on the clock”, “No one gets back on defense”). Not even our fearless leader of dubious doings is that intoxicated with his rants of duplicity.

      Just a shame you weren’t in Minny on Sunday. Seeing as how that’s the game they screwed up you could have thrown something besides confetti on the players for winning (maybe broken beer bottles?). LOL

      Go Spurs!

  77. Stephen Curry: Posted up. Surgery went well and I’ll be back stronger pretty soon. Thanks for all the well wishes. Twitter

  78. A very clear-eyed look at the “emergence” of Brandan Wright:


    Please note that Rick Carlisle is playing Wright at the only position suitable for him: backup center. Remember when Nellie was getting killed for not playing him at small forward?

    Note also that the statphreaks believe that the Mavs are better when he’s off the court. I haven’t watched the Mavs play this year, so I’m looking forward to catching them in the playoffs to do my own re-evaluation of Mr. Ragdoll.

    • I was Monta in the playoffs. But obviously he is not good enough to carry a team to the playoffs. You were way off the mark on him. He is extremely overrated. That player you dislike so much Russell Westbrook has actually improved his game every single season he has played in the NBA. He is a special player unlike Monta Ellis.

  79. Pruiti’s final rookie rankings.


    Agree with his recognition of Shumpert. This kid is an all-world defender, already, as a rookie. Incredible competitor: he wants to guard Lebron in the playoffs. If he figures out his offense — no easy task for a “combo” guard — he’ll be one of the best players in the league. Possibly the steal of the draft at #17.

    Disagree with the low ranking of Kawhi Leonard, and the stat-based criticism of his defense. I’ve seen several box scores where Leonard completely shut down some of the best scoring SFs in the league. And I think Pop’s promotion of him to the starting lineup (and letting Jefferson go) in a season in which the Spurs are contending for a title speaks for itself.

    Markieff Morris remains a mystery to me. I saw a world of talent early in the season, but he seemed to fall off a precipice later on. Seeing the heavy wraps on his knees led me to suspect injury. Perhaps it was rookie fatigue. Or maybe he just doesn’t have the fire.

  80. “A random drawing at 11 a.m. Friday from the league’s New York office will break the tie between Toronto and the Warriors. If the Warriors win the drawing, they’ll have a 72.4 percent chance of finishing the lottery among the top seven. If they lose the drawing, they’ll have a 12.5 percent chance of jumping into the top three spots and keeping their pick.”


      • Postgame comments:

        Chris Wright
        On Working In The Offseason:
        “Going into this offseason I just have to continue to improve. I thought that I had an okay game but there are things that I know that I can improve on. I gave up two offensive rebounds toward the end of the game that I felt that I could’ve gotten and I [also] had a couple of breakdowns defensively. That’s just stuff on film that I’ve got to watch in the offseason and get better. I’ve got to work on my jump shot this summer. I just feel that’s the most important thing right now is me working on my shot and continue working on my game. Tonight I just tried to play to my strengths and not anything else.”

        On His Statement Dunk For The First Points Of The Game:
        “I just wanted to go out and run the floor. Every time we get the ball and get to pushing they just tell me to run and that’s what I’m going to do. That’s one of my strengths – running the floor. They kept telling me to run and that’s what happened.”

        Brandon Rush
        On Mark Jackson’s Performance In His First Year Of Coaching:
        “I think he did a really good, he gave everyone an opportunity to show what they can do. He’s a rookie coach, there are some things he has to work on but I think he’s going to be better next year. I love him coaching us.”

        On How Good This Team Can Be Next Year:
        “We can be really really good. We’re missing three big guys in Steph (Curry), David (Lee) and (Andrew) Bogut. Luckily I come back next year and we’re going to have a good bench.”

  81. Does anybody have the TNT Barkley raking the Warriors? I heard it was the bomb. Please post if you have it. I was too busy watching Charles Jenkins knock down jumpers.

  82. “Mark Bartelstein, the agent for Bucks center Kwame Brown, said his client is right on track in his recovery from a pectoral tear.

    Brown played in only nine games this season with Golden State, averaging 6.3 points and 6.3 rebounds.

    Brown was part of a blockbuster deal in March that sent Andrew Bogut and Stephen Jackson to the Warriors for Monta Ellis and Ekpe Udoh.

    “He’s rehabbing in Atlanta,” Bartelstein said. “He should be good to go in a couple of weeks.”

    Asked about the Bucks’ chances of retaining the soon-to-be unrestricted free agent, Bartelstein said, “I know they like him, but we’ll see. I know there was a lot of interest in him by other teams before the injury.”


  83. If there was any doubt about the dubs tanking, last night’s game was the definitive answer. It was plain as day.

    It really seemed as if the teams had a pre-game agreement to go through the motions, to simulate an NBA game with the least possible effort. Nothing but rookies and distant bench players from both teams all night. Popovich didn’t even bother to show up. I feel sorry for anyone who paid good money to attend. It wasn’t even a gesture toward competition. Not even a pretense.

    I wasn’t always happy with Don Nelson teams. In some ways Nelson himself was easy to criticize, too. Some of the things he did were pretty crazy, and at the end of his final season he seemed bored, uninvolved, and more than ready to move on. But I never saw him throw a game. Until last night I never saw ANY Warriors coach so clearly play to lose.

    I will never be a fan of a coach, or an owner, who could stage a sham like last night’s. Mark Jackson is a puke, and so is Joe Lacob.

    • Half a season sacrificed for a coin toss . . .

      . . . which we just won.

      “Winning the tiebreaker means Golden State has a 12.6 percent chance of moving up into the top three, including a 3.6 percent chance of landing the top pick. There is nearly a 60 percent chance the Warriors will stay at No. 7.

      “If Golden State’s pick is eighth or lower, it will be sent to Utah based on a trade from 2008. But if the Warriors land a top-seven selection, a condition kicks in that allows them to keep the selection and send their 2013 pick to Utah.”

      I don’t understand the second paragraph — why would the pick be eighth? But all that for a 12.6 % chance for a top three, and most likely, a seventh pick.

      • (From Yahoo a few minutes ago — every time I add a Yahoo link, my comments get held up.)

        • (Answering my own question) Teams outside the lottery 7 still have an very slight outside shot at a top 7 pick, right? In which case the Warriors might be moved to 8 — and have to give it up to Utah.

      • I agree White Hat,

        I thought the inuendo about “sins of the past”, and how the Dubs are now doing things “the right way” right after we lose to NO twice at home, and last night when we had 4 centers and the Dominator at point guard.

        Don Nelson has forgotten more basketball than Lacob, Myers, Fitz, and anyone else who says they are doing things the “right way” after getting through this season. All those former players who rush to Lacob’s defense either work for him, or want to work for him, so they are going to tow the party line.

        After watching both Nelson eras when the Warriors had their best teams since 1976 (BTW, Dubs were only good even then for a couple years), it is difficult to hear short memories fans disparage Nelson.

        The beauty is time will tell. And we will know soon, about this time next year. “Eat Crow, or say I told you so!”

      • rgg, the Warriors could be #8 if a team slotted behind them wins a ping pong ball in next month’s lottery and jumps into the top 3 thereby pushing GSW back a slot.

  84. AND The 7th Pick in the 2012 Draft goes to the GOLDEN STATE WWWWWWWWWWWAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRIORS!

  85. Feltbot,

    Are we getting a season wrap-up, or is that a cruel thing to ask for?

  86. @145

    “Mark Jackson is a puke, and so is Joe Lacob.”

    LOL white hat, I love how you and others have simply rearranged the deck chairs to correlate with the season’s final 2 games in stating your opinions of the Warriors head coach and owner. Jackson and Lacob have been “pukes” all season for various reasons only now the convenient path for you, Felt and some others here to take with your dressed-up criticisms and sorry indignations is the way these last 2 games played out. Spare me the veiled vitriol.

    I’m sure the world would be a better place today if only Jackson and Lacob had been cuffed and imprisoned following these supposed competition-related acts of crime. The fact of the matter is, without taking sides or continuing to address the subject of “tanking”, which has been discussed ad nauseum in recent weeks, any fly-by-night two-bit lawyer would have both MJ and JL out within hours and the case thrown out just as fast based on legal precedent:

    “Arguably the best example of “tanking” is the 1996-1997 San Antonio Spurs. A look at their record over several seasons is striking. Over the previous seven 82 game seasons, San Antonio won 56, 55, 47, 49, 55, 62 and 59 games – a combined winning percentage of 66.7%. Then, suddenly, they won only 20 of 82 games in 1996-1997, snagged the #1 draft pick in the lottery and drafted Tim Duncan.

    In fairness to the Spurs, some of that was out of their control. The team was hit hard by injuries: David Robinson played only 6 games, while Sean Elliott (an All-Star the previous season who averaged 20 points per game) only played in 39 games. But a reasonable case can be made that San Antonio could have done better and intentionally did not.

    If San Antonio did intentionally tank the 1996-1997 season, look what it got them – a Hall of Fame player, 15 consecutive seasons as a championship contender, and 4 world championships, including 3 in 5 years. The Spurs have won at least 50 games for 13 consecutive 82 game seasons, and won 37 of 50 in the 1999 season that was shortened by a lockout. There is little argument that losing 62 of 82 games paid off.”

    Did someone just call Gregg Popovich a puke? LOL

  87. “Spare me the veiled vitriol.”

    There’s nothing “veiled” about calling someone a puke, Steve.

    There’s also no connection between my disgust over a poor simulation of an NBA game and my dismay over Jackson’s so-called coaching ability.

    The only reason there has ever been room for a speck of doubt about the Warriors tanking is because Jackson didn’t have the chops to win when he tried. By my count, in the first half of the season (when the team was presumably trying to be competitive) Jackson single-handedly cost the team at least half their games. He’s so bad that you yourself, Steve, couldn’t tell the difference between when he was trying to win and trying to lose. Until last night, of course.

    NBA fans pay good money to see NBA games. We didn’t get one last night. On a different topic, Jackson is a terrible coach. He probably kicks his dog too.