Cue the Bogosity: Andrew Bogut to Miss the Start of Training Camp

OK, in a follow-up interview reported by Matt Steinmetz, Bogut has now all but admitted that he won’t by ready by training camp. As predicted by exactly how many Warriors writers?

One. One who was willing to do the research, tell the truth, and take the heat. 

Why did Bogut agree to this interview when his interview with Warriors shill Tim Roye went so well? Lacob must be furious. Or is he? Perhaps upon reflection he realized that the Warriors had to get this news out now.

If you read carefully, you will note that Bogut has now also all but admitted that his ankle is still frequently sore, something the interview with Roye labored hard to paper over. If Bogut is so concerned that two-a-days might make his ankle “come up sore,” then isn’t it completely obvious that he’s dealing with soreness right now? He certainly was a few short weeks ago, when he tweeted this:

“Training over. Good news on ankle: swelling is getting close to being all gone. Bad News: The less swelling the more achy.” — @AndrewMBogut

Now will follow the inevitable happy spin from the Warriors spokesmodel. No doubt he will echo Bogut’s line that it’s far more important that he be ready for game one of the season than for the first day of training camp. Bogut is right about that, of course. But what does it mean to be “ready” for the regular season, when you’ve missed training camp?

It means you’re not ready, and neither is your team.

It goes without saying that if Bogut misses a significant portion of training camp, it will be a huge setback for the Warriors, if not an outright disaster. Training camp is when the system is installed. Is the system to be installed a Bogut-centric system or not? How do you install that system without him there?

Training camp is when players get to know each others’ tendencies, and start to build chemistry. Any chance of that happening?

And training camp is when players get themselves in peak physical condition for the season. Remember what Scott Skiles had to say about Bogut’s conditioning — and how it affected his play for an entire season — coming off that ELBOW injury? If not, here’s a reminder.

So now it starts…. Remember how much noise we heard from that other Warriors shill concerning how far Ekpe Udoh was set back by missing training camp in his first season?

You can expect to start hearing the exact opposite very soon.

269 Responses to Cue the Bogosity: Andrew Bogut to Miss the Start of Training Camp

  1. This is a smoke screen designed by none other than Mr. Lacob, aka smartest man in NBA. Mr. Lacob didn’t want other teams to be afraid, didn’t want them to know how dominating his signature team would be.

    Mr. Lacob personally turned down D Howard and J Lin just to preserve an already excellent team dynamic. Mr. Lacob didn’t want spoilers like Howard and Lin to rebel against his play callings.

    My inside source from front office hinted that Mr. Lacob will not be satisfied with anything less than conference championship.

  2. Well, well, Dr. Felt is back in the house, with, as usual, his Milky Way-sized ego blaring away. “I was the one. THE one. THE only one. Didn’t I tell you? Didn’t I?” LOL

    “If you read carefully, you will note that Bogut has now also all but admitted that his ankle is still frequently sore, something the interview with Roye labored hard to paper over. If Bogut is so concerned that two-a-days might make his ankle “come up sore,” then isn’t it completely obvious that he’s dealing with soreness right now?”

    For those who hate to “read carefully” here’s the video interview with Bogut. If you go to the 3:25 mark of the video the conversation goes something like, no, make that, exactly like this………

    Tim Roye: “As you go through this process do you have good days and bad days?” (Hard to figure why Roye, since he was “laboring hard to paper over” any soreness issues, would ask Bogut about “good days AND bad days”? LOL)

    Bogut: “Yeah, not so much lately. I’ve been powering through every task I’ve set out so I haven’t really had any issues. Ankle hasn’t given me any trouble, no swelling, no soreness. When I first got out of the boot there was some soreness because of the transition of being immobile to suddenly being allowed to walk so there was some transitionary soreness there but the last 3 or 4 weeks have been great and I really haven’t had any problems.”

    Dr. Felt, hopefully you won’t have to write some sort of prescription sedative for yourself if Bogut starts training camp with everyone else in about 5 weeks. LOL

    • Gee, Steve, there isn’t a responsible doctor in the world who would guarantee full recovery from reconstructive ankle surgery, let alone put a timetable on it. The best you’ll ever hear from any is “cautiously optimistic.” Why attack Feltbot for honestly reporting that fact?

      Lacob & Co. have a lot invested in Bogut – not just money and team performance, but their personal reputations as well. They had to sell the Bogut deal to fans, so they’ve been understandably upbeat about his chances for recovery. Now they’re on to Phase II, managing expectations. If you’re disappointed, it’s hardly Feltie’s fault. He’s not part of the Warriors PR machine.

      While you’re adjusting to the possibility that Bogut might not be an immediate team savior, here’s another thing to consider: even if his ankle is 100% healed, even if he’s been religiously doing cardio work in the gym, he’s got a long way to go before he’s back to full NBA speed. As Don Nelson once said about Rod Higgins, “he’s in fantastic shape for a human being, but not for an NBA player.” That goes 10x for a guy who hasn’t run a step for months.

      • “Why attack Feltbot for honestly reporting….?”

        Now THAT is the funniest line of the day to this point, but it’s early and I’m sure Dr. Felt will give a go at topping it before the day comes to an end.

        I’m interested in reading facts, not ego-driven suppositions that are in direct contradiction to what Andrew Bogut has said with his very own lips. And it starts with the very title of this thread, “Andrew Bogut to miss the start of training camp”.

        Personally, all I care about as a fan of the team is that Bogut can start Game 1 of the 82 game schedule healthy, and then stay healthy for the duration. I couldn’t care less whether or not he plays in all, some, or none of the preseason games. It’s all about being ready when it counts. But the very title of this thread starts a succession of statements by our amateur MD/basketball reporter that twists words around to the point where Chubby Checker himself would be proud as hell.

        Won’t be ready for training camp? Maybe not, but that’s not what Bogut OR his doctors have said. What DID Bogut say?

        At the 1:46 mark of the video interview Bogut refers to his frustration with the surgeon’s rehab schedule. Why? Because he’d like to do more given the fact “I’m feeling very very good, to be honest”.

        At the 2:25 mark TRoye asks Bogut “Are you on time to start training camp in full uniform?” to which Bogut replied “It’s hard to say right now. Oct 1 is the date I have circled on my calendar. I’d like to be ready but it’s still up in the air. I definitely don’t anticipate missing training camp unless I have to and I think I should be ready to go.” Those words, “I think I should be ready to go”, came straight from Bogut’s mouth. Please point to where he said he’d be missing training camp?

        I’ve already pointed out that Dr. Felt has claimed “that Bogut has now also all but admitted that his ankle is still frequently sore” and also stated that “isn’t it completely obvious that he’s dealing with soreness right now?”, when in fact Bogut’s actual words were “I haven’t really had any issues. Ankle hasn’t given me any trouble, no swelling, no soreness” and “the last 3 or 4 weeks have been great and I really haven’t had any problems”. And all this is your definition of “honestly reporting facts”? LOL

        “If you’re disappointed, it’s hardly Feltie’s fault.” Actually, you couldn’t be more incorrect if you tried. And it all started (on this blog) when Lacob arrived and Nelli left.

        • Steve:

          Feltbot is calculating odds based on available evidence. He’s given us sufficient cause for concern. And Bogut is nowhere near the kind of conditioning Curry is performing. At the very least, he’s losing time now to get into full NBA shape and will lose more. The question is how much training he will lose, and any amount, even at this time, is a loss.

          I’d like to see more hard facts, too. We’re not going to get them. The doctors are not going to speak up and medical reports won’t be released. Bogut won’t tell us the full story. Lacob won’t tell us the full story. The media takes them both at their word and haven’t dug at all. Doubts should have been aired in the press long ago. They weren’t.

        • Steve, your nasty streak comes out every time the Warriors PR machine hands you a disappointment.

          Save yourself and the rest of us some grief, OK? Consider taking all the Warriors PR fluff – including player interviews – with a grain of salt.

          Also please note that players are not doctors, and they often make the WORST assessment of their own injuries. I’m sure even you can think of a few examples of that.

          Have a nice day.

    • I love reading Feltbot’s columns and I love the comments. I’ve never understood why this Steve guy (who–granted–often provides great information) feels like he can come on someone’s blog and insult them. WTF?

      • Xyz, because that’s what Feltbot does.
        Feltbot went to other poeple’s blogs and trashed their sites while promoting his own.

        This is not new.

        Also this article is garbage like Steve said. Bogut only did ONE interview with Tim. Steinmatz followed up an article without interviewing Bogut himself.
        Then here Feltbot used Steinmatz’ article as proof when there was none.

        Bogut did not have soreness for weeks after he came out of the boots. He was saying if full on basketball activities 2 a day may cause soreness then they need to be smart about that.

        Simple stuffs. only idiots run with this.

  3. MT on Bogut and training camp

    http://bit.ly/NVnnpN

    • See this is totally Mr. Lacob’s game plan. Mr. Lacob is wisely hiding Bogut from training camp AND pre-season games so scouts’ can’t figure out team out. Bogut will start around thanksgiving and into game shape around Christmas.

  4. Sounds precautionary more than anything else. If he’s good to go on Opening Night, then there’s nothing to worry about.

    • Mega super star like Bogut doesn’t need training camp or pre-season. All Bogut needs is hanging out with Mr. Lacob and learn game plans from the true architect.

  5. Let us hope Bogut recovers fully, even if he doesn’t pick up a basketball again. The issue isn’t Bogut or even his ankle, but Lacob’s judgment. After all, this was supposed to be a “transcendent” deal—his word.

    A rough start with an unproven coach is not a pleasant prospect, especially since the pressure will be on as Lacob tries to save face from the last two seasons.

    • You are questioning Mr. Lacob’s judgement? Are you *&^%? Mr. Lacob is widely accepted around the league as the smartest man ever for his purchase of GSW without taking a penny out of his own pocket.

      And now you question Mr. Lacob’s judgement? Jerry West routinely praise Mr. Lacob’s Basketball IQ. Go ask coach Jackson, he will praise plays designed by Mr. Lacob.

      Mr. Lacob personifies transcendent! Name another person bought a professional sports franchise in a major metropolitan without taking a penny out of pocket?

      We are so luck and spoiled by having such a transcendent owner, who rebuilt a team under his own basketball philosophy, hired a coach that is capable of executing plays designed by a transcendent owner.

      Sit back, relax and just enjoy like all real fans.

  6. Feltbot:

    Lacob must remind you of amateur poker players you’ve run into. They guard their stack cautiously for a few hours without much more result than see it dwindle. Then they go all in with pocket jacks.

  7. Feltbot,

    I hope you save all the posts from the Lacob defender/denyers and make a post about Mid January that aggregates all their posts and the associated falsehoods and sarcasms to your various treaties on tanking, half court slow down and other sordid Lacob assertions. Would make for a smile or two when Joe, and the Spokes model universallly exclaim “Who saw this coming?”

    Maybe then and only then will Mark Jackson be blamed and replaced by none other than maybe … Lacob defender Rick Barry!

  8. One obvious point is that Bogut has not worked out stenously this Summer and Scott Skiles point about him being out of shape will ring true. If he is compounding the issue by not doing two a days in October, how is it physically possible for him to be ready (Just to run!, let alone shooting,rebounding) on Opening Night?

    If I am an opposing Coach, and if Bogus is even assumed to be effective, I run him up and down the court until his foot ‘gets sore’. Especially if its a back to back game. And AB will be taken off the court, hopefully so Lee can play a 5 :-)

    Bogut and Biedrins have the same initials.

  9. Why would an owner and posters support a trade for an seriously injured player? The answer they are willing to take a high risk given the Warriors previous misfortune. But, it may well prove to be a costly and devastating miscalculation. My eyebrows were raised when Bogut underwent a second operation and I wrote about it.

    Beginning with trading Udoh for an injured player and tanking the season, I haven’t liked many of things the Warriors have done. I didn’t want an injured center who has a big contract and hasn’t shot above 48% from the field and 65% from the foul line the last two years who is not as good defensively as the guy we gave up in the draft. Not adding a big at PF leaves their defense woefully at risk. Look for a high FG shooting by our opponents when our second unit is on the court.

    Rather than praise Lacob and Myers, wait until the season starts. Were there two players taken lower in the draft that are better than Barnes that the Warriors could have traded down for? Will the player Jerry West. wanted in the draft turn out to be a total bust?

    Yes, I like the drafting of Ezeli, but I don’t like have to take Jefferson in the deal and be saddled with his bloated two year contrac along with Biedrins, who should have been amestied. I do like the addition of Jack.

    If the Warriors want to win this year they better drop and Tyler and trade for a Harrelson who can provide inside defense and hit the three, or trade for a player like Ryan Anderson.

    We simply don’t have players who can foul line enough, and defend inside. We have to address both problems by signing a big who can defend and his the three.

    • Frank, are you under the impression that West really wanted Barnes chosen with their first pick ? there was anecdotal evidence leading up to draft day that his preference leaned to another player already gone by the woeyrs’ slot, and Barnes was a consolation/compromise pick from the ‘dregs’ available. Barnes does not fit the profile of the West-endorsed player : consider Thompson, who is not the ‘great physical athlete’ like Barnes, but possesses ball skills and superior shooting. Barnes might end up merely the ‘safe’ choice most compatible with the lacobite p.r. apparatchiks — fans with high hopes for him need only to recall that this was the same ‘brain trust’ that waived Lin to chase after another physical ‘specimen’, Jordan, and because they’d invested in an extra second rounder Tyler. Lin is actually closer to the profile of the kind of player West likes than Barnes is.

      • moto,

        Are you saying Lin will have a better career than Barnes? Man that is a dis on da Dub Braindom…

        • surely your reading comprehension registered that there was no prediction on my part about who would have the better career. barnes hasn’t played a single minute in the league, obviously. lin has attributes the logo has fondness for, like tenacious perimeter d, high competitive drive, a willingness to go inside and get pummeled if necessary by the big lunks, an ability to bring his best game to critical moments. he demonstrated those things at harvard and Hou gave him the free agent contract based on his NY stint ; barnes didn’t show it as a tarheel, so he’ll have a bit to prove in the big show.

  10. Bogut is recovering from a Big Deal injury/surgery, so even if he’s 90% certain to play in Game #1, that still calls for putting some prep time into a Warriors Plan B.

    So, Feltish, what do you think would be a good backup plan for the Warriors to work on in training camp? I can’t picture an Ezeli-centric team.

    • A lot of the load will shift to Lee. Jackson, who will be coaching for his life the first months, will be tempted to play him heavy minutes. And how well has Lee recovered from his abdominal surgery? I haven’t heard.

    • Plan B? Backup plan? Who needs that when one are blessed with not one but two Lacob centers? AB and AB.

  11. Nice assessment of the Bucks last year:

    “. . . as Jennings noted, the Bucks featured a more charged-up offensive unit during the 601 minutes that he and Ellis played together, scoring 106.2 points per 48 minutes of playing time compared with 98.9-per-48 on the season as a whole, according to NBA.com’s statistical analysis tool.

    “Part of that’s due to Milwaukee playing at a significantly faster pace with the Jennings-Ellis unit sharing the floor — when the duo played at the same time, the Bucks averaged 100.6 possessions per 48 minutes, more than four-per-48 faster than their season average — but they also scored more effectively in that uptempo game, doing much more damage on fast breaks and in the paint and producing an average of 105.3 points per 100 possessions. That’s a big improvement over the Bucks’ 102.4-per-100 season mark — over the course of a full season, it’s the difference between having a top-five offense on par with the Chris Paul-led Los Angeles Clippers and having a middle-of-the-league group like the Orlando Magic or Atlanta Hawks.”

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/brandon-jennings-monta-ellis-bucks-playoffs-170234236–nba.html

    Yes, the article goes on to talk about defense.

  12. Also Udoh was a rookie C/PF who missed a training camp. He didnt even play 1 single NBA game back then and of course he missed alot by missing training camp.

    Bogut? he has had so many training camps and he knows how to play in the league.
    It’s not like he will not be there in the training camp.
    He will be training with Warriors in Oakland after labor day weekend. He will get to learn all the plays while getting close to be ready.

    Stop being a doomsayer.

    • From one bry to another,

      Doom and gloom is what the preaching and teaching is all about here.

      So you’ve got any more positive things to say, by all means, PLEASE stick around!

  13. rgg | August 20, 2012 at 11:22 am | Reply

    Steve:

    Feltbot is calculating odds based on available evidence. He’s given us sufficient cause for concern. And Bogut is nowhere near the kind of conditioning Curry is performing. At the very least, he’s losing time now to get into full NBA shape and will lose more. The question is how much training he will lose, and any amount, even at this time, is a loss.

    I’d like to see more hard facts, too. We’re not going to get them. The doctors are not going to speak up and medical reports won’t be released. Bogut won’t tell us the full story. Lacob won’t tell us the full story. The media takes them both at their word and haven’t dug at all. Doubts should have been aired in the press long ago. They weren’t.

    Steve | August 20, 2012 at 11:52 am |

    Wow, unbelievable. You have my deepest sympathies. Hopefully, it’s not catching, even though for obvious reasons the odds don’t look good on that. LOL

    rgg | August 20, 2012 at 12:08 pm |

    Steve:

    ?

    —————————————

    You’re suffering from potentially terminal cynicism. I work cheaper than Dr. Felt, no charge for the diagnosis.

  14. white hat | August 20, 2012 at 3:15 pm | Reply

    Steve, your nasty streak comes out every time the Warriors PR machine hands you a disappointment.

    Save yourself and the rest of us some grief, OK? Consider taking all the Warriors PR fluff – including player interviews – with a grain of salt.

    Also please note that players are not doctors, and they often make the WORST assessment of their own injuries. I’m sure even you can think of a few examples of that.

    Have a nice day.

    ————————————–

    Mikey, considering it’s Dr. Feltenstein who’s telling us that Bogut will come limping into camp screaming “OH, MY OSTEOARTHRITIS IS KILLING ME!”, and probably won’t be ready to play until, what, Valentine’s Day 2014, are you saying Dr. Feltenstein is the “Warriors PR machine” doling out the disappointing news? Seriously, buddy, you’ve got me confused here.

    Then again, maybe it’s just the “grief” I’ve caused that’s got you all in a tizzy. My apologies, Mikey. Take 2 whatever-you-want pills and call me in the morning. Same as rgg, no charge.

  15. Only 72 days, people…

  16. And now the best news of all, I’m outta here for awhile. I’ll let the majority of you wallow in the misery of Joe Lacob/Warriors basketball to your heart’s delight.

    I’ve spent way too much time here for way too long. Ciao

    • NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!

    • And now the best news of all, I’m outta here for awhile.

      Steve, that’s kinda like the worst news for me. Thanks for all the links. I really never had to go anywhere else for my W’s info.

      Hope you’ll be back before the season starts. At the very least hit me up sometime to let me know of your W’s online whereabouts. I’m at sbc global dot net.

      Long live the Link Master!

      Oh, and…72 DAYS, PEOPLE!!!

    • Steve, I’ll miss you. I don’t enjoy the insults and bullshit, but we’ve had fun too. Come back soon.

    • Lol.

      Okay, the Oracle Catfish is to do die for. Just use a little lemon juice and it is the best!

  17. Steve:

    There’s a profound difference between being a cynic and a skeptic. We have been fed much about the team without much critical review, except here. And all the skepticism has been well voiced and well supported. Some of the criticism of the team’s former coach and the strategies he promoted, however, have been subjected to cynicism.

    As for your pills, I don’t want to get doped up only to crash when reality hits. Of course I hope the doubts don’t materialize and the team plays to full potential. But Lacob himself has fed us many pills that have been hard to swallow, and I suspect the doubts will linger.

    • Revise:

      Much of the criticism of the team’s former coach and the strategies he employed, however, has been cynical.

  18. Western conference win projection from ESPN insider…..

    10. Golden State Warriors: 34.7 wins, 3.3 games better
    The Warriors fancy themselves as a playoff contender. We do not. Golden State has questionable depth despite the presence of veterans such as Richard Jefferson, Carl Landry and Brandon Rush on the roster. Harrison Barnes projects to be one of the worst players in the league. Indeed, his ability to outperform that forecast is the key to Golden State taking that longed-for step toward the postseason.

    • I certainly don’t consider myself a blind optimist but this projection seems more than a little bleak. Barnes one of the worst players in the league? And only a 3 win better team with the roster improvement (regardless of Bogut’s health) and the lack of active tanking?

      The warriors lost more than 3 games last year by intention. Hard to not see them turning that around.

      • Good response, now be a real fan and buy season ticket.

      • The Ws new lineup should improve the team’s most glaring weak spot, rebounding. They won’t rank 28th in the league next year even if Bogut takes a while to return to 100%. More rebounding means fewer 2nd-chance points for opponents = improved D.

        While Harrison Barnes doesn’t appear to add much to the team’s rebounding, he can’t do so much worse than Wright (4.6 last year), that it would offset the improvement from Bogut and Landry replacing Biedrins and Udoh.

        By itself, improved rebounding sure does seem like it should be worth more than 3 games.

        On the other hand, the team didn’t improve across the board. In his first year, Barnes is unlikely to contribute as much overall as D Wright. Last year’s best overall guard, best overall defender and best paint defender are all gone.

        The Warriors still have a few big question marks, too. Health. Coaching. Wing defense. A proven go-to scorer (maybe Curry, maybe Thompson or Lee…). A mostly new roster that has never stepped on the court together. And a heavy reliance on rookies who clearly need work, Barnes and Ezeli.

        In addition, as Ws followers I think we tend to view our team in isolation. ESPN compares them against other teams. The Ws may be improved, but maybe didn’t close the gap with others so much. The Clippers added Lamar Odom and Grant Hill. The Lackers, Nuggets, Kings and Mavericks are all improved, to varying degrees. Memphis has a fully healthy Zach Randolph back. Portland added two centers (a huge rookie + Dan Gadzuric. OK, that’s not awesome, but at least they have working Cs now). Utah added perimeter scoring, addressing their biggest need. NO isn’t tanking this year. And so on.

        Despite all the open concerns and questions, I’m with you, Berko. It’s hard to imagine the Ws ending up with another record like last year’s even if two of their starters miss a lot of games.

        If nothing else, this year there would be zero payback for tanking.

  19. Moto: West wanted D. Waiters who did not fall to us. Waiters had a terrible summer league and does not appear headed for stardom.

    I agree that the Warriors going after A. Jordan was a terrible idea, but I give management a pass on losing Lin as when he was here he couldn’t shoot, and Tyler was worth the risk since it wasn’t my $2 million they spent on the pick.

    I would have traded down in the draft and selected Harkless and another player. The Espn Insider’s low opinion of Barnes coincides with Felty’s. We can only hope he improves and expands his game.

    Given Bogut’s limited offense the last two years, even if healthy, he is not worth the money he’s being paid. One had to only watch him play the last two years to know he’s not the transformational player as Lacob maintains. I was reading Adam’s blog and he pointed out how much better Bogut is than Biedrins. I guess Adam doesn’t realize that Udoh was our best center last year, and although Bogut is marginally better that Udoh on offense, and Bogut is a good defender, he is not as good as Udoh.

    I agree with the ESPN Insider that our roster falls short. Our having more depth this year won’t result in many additional wins, as most teams in the west now have more depth.

    The Warriors still need to do a trade and get another PF who can play on both sides of the ball, and shoot the three.

    They have assets to trade. They can’t wait two years for Biedrins, Jefferson, and Bogut’s contract to expire.

    I’m sure the Warriors will feature Thompson this year over Rush. For the Warriors to be have any chance for success this year they need Rush to step it up, take a lot of shots, and shoot close to the same FG% as last year. Thompson is simply too limited. No assists, can’t take it to the hoop consistently, defense limited.

    The ESPN Insider low opinion of our overall roster and prediction of the Warriors winning only 34 games should be taken seriously and spur the Warriors into making more trades. So far, Myers has trapped and placed the Warriors in no-man’s land by having too many players with big contracts whose salaries will not be reflected in stellar play on the court.

    • frank, you’re positive it was Waiters and not Lillard that the logo coveted ?

      for the team to even get to a .500 season record would represent a positive accomplishment, but that’s hardly suitable for the marketing campaign. better to oversell and get the fans’ $$, then rationalize afterward how close and competitive the team proved itself despite all the adversity.

      • Wow, moto, that’s hugely cynical!

        +!

      • One more time, it’s not in West’s job description to do what you suggested. West earns his pay check by ENDORSING Mr. Lacob’s decisions and PRAISING Mr. Lacob’s basketball IQ.

      • One more time, it’s not in West’s job description to do what you suggested. West earns his pay check by ENDORSING Mr. Lacob’s decisions and PRAISING Mr. Lacob’s basketball IQ.

        What’s wrong with your guys? This is Mr. Lacob’s team, not West’s. Mr. Lacob is working super hard for you guys, he scouts, he drafts, he designs the team’s basketball philosophy, he hires, he game plans, he calls plays, he even hands on sells ownership shares. Oh he also baby sits young Kirk.

        What else do you guys possibly want from Mr. Lacob.

    • Based on the deals other NBA teams have gotten, the Warriors expect to be gifted by SF to the tune of several hundred $million: the city will donate the arena property, local parking and infrastructure improvements. In addition, construction funding will almost certainly be facilitated with a city bond issue, delivering a low cost-of-funds not otherwise available to private investors. Kind of a sweet deal for everyone concerned. Much of the city’s contribution costs the city nothing (for example, the pier itself is currently a money drain, not a net positive), but the total benefit to the Warriors is estimated to be $200M-$300M, depending on how the details settle out.

      Oracle is the largest but oldest basketball venue in CA. It has no box seats. Box seats typically improve tix revenue by a minimum of 30%. The new arena is planned to have slightly less general-admission seating, but a full complement of box seats.

      The Warriors currently have one of the lowest tix prices in the NBA, 26% below the league average as of 2010. That will change in the new stadium. http://www.fancostexperience.com/

      The Warriors rent at Oracle. As sole owners of the new stadium, they will realize additional revenue from non-basketball events. Revenue estimates vary but just for a sense of scale, Oracle earns over $22M/year from non-basketball activity. http://www.coliseumauthority.org/archive/2011/finl_103_1317749561.pdf

      The total Warriors asset appreciation from a new stadium is estimated to be in the range of $500M-600M.

      There’s no mystery why the Ws are moving. Someone wants to hand them half a $billion. They say yes. NFW Oakland could match SF’s deal.

      • So in both cases, NY and SF, are the teams and colosseums solid, long term investments, or are they examples of colosseum flipping? (Cf. house flipping, years ago.)

        • Think franchise flipping.

          One of the coolest things for team owners is a weird NBA-only depreciation allowance that permits them to write off the full purchase price of the franchise over 15 years. It’s worth noting that Cohan started looking for a buyer after exactly that amount of time. The original thinking for the tax break was that the value of an NBA team is nothing more than its player value. As players age, their value turns to zero, like goldfish. It’s nonsensical, of course, and no other business in America gets to depreciate its employees, but that IS the way it is for the NBA. Strange but true.

          At Lacob’s purchase price, he gets to depreciate $30M per year against any investment that falls under the Warriors umbrella, team related or not. He doesn’t even need to field a team, as long as he holds title to an NBA franchise. He doesn’t need to show an annual operating profit. In fact, he’ll probably never show an annual operating profit, not with that much funny-money depreciation charged against revenue. The real payday is on the back end.

          NBA franchises have traditionally appreciated in value at 8-10% per year. They’ve been flat lately, but “experts” predict that they will appreciate at 5-6% for awhile, then return to the historical norm. If Lacob does nothing – no new arena, no better team, etc. – and the Warriors appreciate at 5% for the next 15 years, they’ll be worth more than twice his investment – just under $1 billion. If he sells then, he pays capital gains tax (18%) instead of regular income tax (30+%), on only the portion of the sale price above his purchase price. Even though at that time he will have completely written off the purchase price. Sweet.

          The new arena adds another $500-600M to Lacob’s sale price all by itself. In addition, the new arena will generate quite a bit more revenue for the Warriors organization, so that will bump the company valuation even more. All told, the new arena should boost the organization’s asset value by close to a billion by the time Lacob is ready to sell.

          So Lacob’s initial $450M investment in the dubs should be worth somewhere north of $2B 15 years from now. And he gets to show an annual operating loss (read: pay no taxes) every year between now and then.

      • thank you for the detailed reminder of why lacob must be denied use of the pier site. when he squeezes $$ from fans and advertisers, it’s by their free choice and clear notion of what they’re getting ; what he and newsom are planning is a pennies for millions theft of a natural resource belonging to the people of the entire state. let him pay market value for a site on dry land.

        • Fair enough, but the pier is an unused resource, and maintaining it is a drain on city funds right now. Also, the usual justification for a city to subsidize an arena is soft dollar benefits like increased tourism. In the case of SF it could well pay off that way (unlike Oakland, Sacramento or Santa Clara, which are highly unlikely to realize much in the way of tourism benefits – an arena alone isn’t enough to make them vacation destinations).

          • for those who missed some of the basic conditions of ownership about the piers, as part of SF bay they’re held in trust for the state. hoops, concerts, essentially anything normally done on solid ground, are not water-related activities, so conversion for that use would not meet the conditions spelled out in the trust. compared to a solid ground site (which would generate similar revenue for the city), there would also be the detrimental environmental impact of building and sustaining a massive structure intended to support the crowds and activity, and what it would do to the view of open water, another aspect of environmental degradation.

            from my p.o.v. as a native of the area, lacob has clarified what he’s about — an enemy of the people intent on conniving others to subsidizing his grandiose ambitions.

          • Moto, I’m sure that’s all true but fairly sure it would be a terribly expensive legal battle to enforce the original terms of the trust when the trustee itself is trying to break them.

            As a condition of the deal, then, should the Warriors manage the arena as a public trust? Make it freely available for public use?

            Or should there be no arena? If not, then what would you propose for the pier? It has simply been rotting away for 30 years now. Is that in the public interest? Not arguing here, I’d just like to hear your thoughts.

          • FWIW, it doesn’t take a civil engineer to see that a pier would be a terrible site for a 16,000-seat sports arena. C’mon now, an arena on stilts? In earthquake country?

            I’ll bet the final arena design calls for the pier to be pulled out and replaced with landfill. If so, the legal ramifications will multiply like mosquitos. Despite all the big talk we heard this spring, I think it’s going to be a very long time before the Ws break ground on new arena construction.

        • The arena, if built there, will be one of the city’s most visible landmarks, especially to the millions crossing the Bay Bridge. Lacob will put his mark on the city. Let us hope it will not be bland and hideous, like his other marketing schemes.

          I think one of you guys reported this before. His plan is based on Ellison’s study for some kind of yacht center. But surely the arena will require greater structural work. It’s hard not to believe there won’t be massive cost overruns at the very least. Or maybe one day we’ll see it slip slowly into the bay. The FO inspires that kind of confidence.

          How about a floating arena? They could tow it between SF, Oakland, and San Jose.

    • My question is whether the Warriors will have enough bucks to gamble on another max or near max contract for another potentially risky player. And if Curry doesn’t play in a system that takes advantage of his talents but instead puts them to disadvantage (as Smart did in his “motion” offense), he may well put up ambiguous results that might make the team decide he is expendable. Count on Lacob to play this one cautiously, and probably not intelligently.

  20. Moto: I’m fairly certain West wanted Waiters.

    The Warriors traded for Bogut when they were only 3 games under .500%. Given their draft, the trade for Jack, and their signing free agents, if they just win half their games, this year will be a huge disaster. Lacob and Myers will have to endure a lot of booing.

    Unless further trades are made, their will be no light at the end of the tunnel for the following two year when three bloated contracts expire..

    • West sure didn’t give many interviews pre-draft this season, did he? Not like last season when he was shouting at the top of his lungs – the W’s would really like Klay Thompson.

      In one year – two bloated contracts (Andris/Jefferson) will actually be tradeable (not for much value but now, they’re both UNtradeable).

      I still like your idea of picking up Sanders (Milwaukee) to shore up our rim protection in case Bogut’s off the floor, Ezeli is slow developing, and Andris/Tyler have to play… He’d be very useful on this team.

      • But West has been working hard to fulfill his contractual obligation and staying within his job description.

        West’s job is to endorse Mr. Lacob’s decisions, praise Mr. Lacob’s Basketball IQ, and open doors for Mr. Lacob at ole boy clubs. West has been good at staying away from issues not covered in his job, respecting boundary.

        West is doing a fastastic job, Mr. Lacob is very satisfied.

  21. OT: A federal judge just ruled for the first time what every sane person already knows: poker is a game of skill.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/08/22/nyregion/poker-is-more-a-game-of-skill-than-of-chance-a-judge-rules.html?_r=2

    The leading defense expert, Dr. Randal Heeb, was my law school roommate and is one of my closest friends. He has a WSOP bracelet among his many other accomplishments.

    But I kick his ass regularly in fantasy baseball.

  22. Go here for the latest artist’s conception of the new arena:

    http://sinspast.wordpress.com/

    Yes, I have better things to do—and this one’s going to be pulled in a day or two.

  23. Lance Armstrong to be stripped of all 7 Tour titles after he loses his appeal and refuses to contest the process further:

    http://newyork.cbslocal.com/2012/08/23/ap-armstrong-wont-fight-u-s-anti-doping-agency-charges/

    Armstrong’s statement:
    http://www.detroitnews.com/article/20120823/SPORTS07/208230488/1361/Statement-from-Lance-Armstrong

    Everyone will have to decide for themselves whether it makes sense that an innocent man would ever give up in such a fight, or whether Armstrong simply wants to avoid the spectacle of 10 former teammates testifying against him in an open hearing.

    You all know where I stand.

    • Why Lance Armstrong Will Survive ’60 Minutes and the Feds
      (over a year old but still relevant)
      http://bit.ly/iKk7qG

      • Umm, so it’s ok to succeed by immoral and illegal means, so long as you whitewash yourself with philanthropy afterwards.

        • I think it’s more that there are much bigger problems in sports and society than the use of steroids. They’re bad for you so you shouldn’t use them. Beyond that, we should get over it and focus on the bigger problems.

    • There’s a very good chance Armstrong doped. If it were proven, I’d be happy to see him banned.

      But unlike a court, the USADA operates with the presumption of guilt, not innocence, and they have the ability to make judgments and ruin lives without compelling legal proof. Lance hasn’t been convicted. He hasn’t even been tried. Judging by the US grand jury investigation’s decision not to prosecute him, he could not be convicted in a court of law.

      Banning Armstrong without a trial; indefinite detention of alleged terrorists without charges; deportation without a hearing; tracking and surveillance without a warrant. The common theme here is a lack of due process. We used to have that here in America. It used to be a constitutional right.

      It’s not personally important to me whether Armstrong doped. It is vitally personally important to me that he – and thousands or millions of other Americans – can today be criminalized and punished without due process. That is far more harmful to far more people than whether some athlete cheated.

      Proof is important. Due process is important. I say put the USADA on trial.

      • Despite his protestations, Armstrong is getting every bit of due process owed to him. He has the right to go through the USADA arbitration process, and face his accusers. He is choosing to run away from that opportunity. Why, when so much is at stake?

        What he’s doing is all about keeping the testimony of his accusers out of the public record. Only by doing that can he plausibly continue his propaganda war, and turn himself into the victim in the public’s eyes.

        He’s cheating the public once again. Out of the truth.

        It baffles me that anyone could feel sorry for this liar, cheater and hypocrite. He’s finally getting the justice he has eluded for so long.

        • For once, I agree with feltbot. Facing 10 of his former teammates in court under oath, guess what? Armstrong ran.

          Why?

      • CAS arbitration is not a trial. A US court’s rules of evidence don’t apply. The burden of proof in xADA cases rests solely on the athlete. Athletes must prove a negative, as if that were possible. The USADA doesn’t lose many cases. In front of the CAS, suspicion is enough. If you don’t believe me, look it up.

        The USADA and WADA routinely deny pro athletes the right to earn a living based solely on suspicion. They freely admit it, and they do it all the time. They even do it for good reasons, to protect the integrity of sports and the health of athletes. But they place the interests of sports and sporting authorities over athletes’ right to a fair trial. That scares me. If it doesn’t scare you, maybe you haven’t thought it through.

        Athletes, including those the USADA say they have lined up to testify against Armstrong, know they have no power to oppose the USADA. Knowing they could be accused and suspended without evidence, knowing they themselves would not get a fair trial, and given the opportunity to avoid prosecution themselves, what would be the smart thing to do? I don’t know the USADA extorted testimony from Armstrong’s teammates. But they could.

        I think it’s quite possible that Armstrong doped, but I don’t have a stake in that game. We all have a stake in whether or not due process is followed.

        Prove that Armstrong doped. Prove it in front of an impartial judge and I’ll be the first to piss on his legacy. Until then, he’s innocent.

        I’m always surprised when I hear any American say it’s OK for a government agency (or pseudo-governmental agency like the USADA) to criminalize a human being without due process. I wouldn’t punish my dog without evidence.

        If the USADA follows through, and it looks like they will, they can strip Armstrong of his record, but if they try to take back his winnings they’ll see him in court. THEN he’ll get a trial. We’ll see what happens then.

        • Testimony IS evidence. To paraphrase one of my law professors, if ten bishops witnessed a murder, and fingered the killer, you wouldn’t need the gun or forensics to get a conviction.

          It is Lance Armstrong himself who is blocking the evidence from being heard. Lance Armstrong himself who is obstructing justice.

          I wouldn’t be surprised if he did in future litigate this in civil court, when he’s fighting over the money paid to him. Because he’s already proven how important the money is to him, with past litigation.

          And in civil court he might very well be able to keep out the most damaging testimony about him. His opponents will certainly be without subpoena power. That’s the fair trial you’re hungry for?

          Pffft. Forcing someone to submit to a trial, or an arbitration process is not “criminalizing them without due process.” It’s GIVING them due process.

          Lance Armstrong doesn’t want due process. He wants a cover-up, fought in the media, not in open court.

          You’re falling for crocodile tears.

          • Feltie, you’re wrong about this. A USADA accusation is not a trial, and accusations are not proof of wrongdoing. No evidence has been presented, it has only been threatened. The accused is not even permitted to view the evidence against him. No defense is possible. What kind of trial is that?

            In addition, if the “evidence” you cite won’t stand up in court, it’s not valid. That’s how the legal system works. No shortcuts for the prosecution. Why would someone with legal training think anything else was a good thing?

            The USADA has already taken action to strip Armstrong of his record. Did we somehow miss the hearing on that? Oh yeah, THERE WASN’T ANY HEARING where evidence was presented. The USADA penalizes athletes without bothering with a trial.

            One last comment here before I quit writing stuff you don’t bother to read. I don’t give a shit about Armstrong’s guilt or innocence. That’s maybe the 100th time I’ve said that here. Got it? My problem is with the process being worked against him. Any semi-lucid American should share that concern.

            Educate yourself about that. I’d be interested to hear what an ex-attorney has to say about it. But more uninformed opinion about Armstrong’s guilt or innocence? Don’t bother. You’re as ignorant about that as anyone else, including me.

  24. Without the Warriors upgrading their interior defense, I don’t see how the Warriors are going to maintain their advantage shooting a higher FG% than their opponents. A second string unit of Ezeli and Landry is weak inside. If the Warriors are not going to trade for an interior defender, our only hope is that Green plays alongside Ezeli as he looks like he has both the smarts and athletic ability to provide interior defense.

    • I’d like to see the W’s upgrade Tyler for sure as I haven’t seen much from him. I still like your idea of acquiring Sanders on the cheap – should he fall out of the now crowded big rotation in Milwaukee. Sanders can protect the rim a little, rebound a little, not much else – as a backup.

  25. On another doping note, it’s becoming clear that Roger Clemens is going to try to pitch an inning for the Houston Astros this season. He states that it’s about “having fun.”

    http://blog.chron.com/ultimateastros/2012/08/24/could-roger-clemens-pitch-for-the-astros-this-year-doesnt-sound-far-fetched/

    What it’s really about is pushing back the clock on his Hall of Fame eligibility for five years, so he doesn’t have to suffer the ignominy of first ballot rejection this year. And of course, leave open the possibility of a Lance Armstrong-like rehabilitation in the voters’ eyes five years down the road.

    I believe that many of these dopers are true sociopaths.

    • “I believe that many of these dopers are true sociopaths.”.

      Agreeing with feltbot again. For the record, Mr. Lacob is not a sociopath, just a super smart guy and the first to buy a NBA team without taking a penny out of pocket.

  26. This is the most helpful article I’ve found surrounding the legal issues of the Armstrong case.

    http://blog.constitutioncenter.org/2012/08/armstrong-cites-unconstitutional-witch-hunt-in-usada-fight/

    According to this article, he has two avenues of appeal left to him: 1) To the Court of Arbitration for Sport (CAS) in Switzerland, which has final authority over USADA; or 2) Appeal of the federal court decision that USADA is not violating Armstrong’s constitutional due process rights.

  27. While the NBA is off the court, where can you see some good bball action? Here are some links for my 3 favorite basketball movies of all time. Any recommendations for other flix?

    White Men Can’t Jump
    A movie trailer, and a fantastic (and long) oral history of the movie on Grantland.

    http://www.matttrailer.com/white_men_cant_jump_1992

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8266665/an-oral-history-ron-shelton-basketball-comedy-white-men-jump

    Hoop Dreams
    This movie didn’t get wide play, but it is awesome. A painfully stark documentary filled with hope. Free on Hulu!

    http://new.hulu.com/watch/249576

    Hoosiers
    Couldn’t find much except trailers. Here’s Hulu’s Hoosiers search page.

    http://new.hulu.com/search?q=hoosiers&type=movies

    • My spam filter will cause posts with multiple links to be held for moderation, and I’m sometimes slow to realize that’s happening. Just a heads up in case you’re wondering why your post is not appearing.

      Great movies!

    • White Hat:

      Let me repeat this link from the previous post:

      http://vault.ncaa.com/

      You can get a ton of NCAA tourney games. You can watch Brandon Rush rack up points against UNC, for example. Or you can watch him get shut down by Davidson (he did a number on Curry, however).

      And again, go to Games/By Teams and find Davidson. You can get three of their games in their 2008 run. Great games and a must for Curry fans.

  28. What should be the shot distribution order for the Warriors from most to least?

    Curry, Rush, D. Lee, Thompson.

    What will likely be the order of shot distribution?

    Thompson, Curry, D. Lee, Bogut, Barnes, Rush.

    Who will have best positive/minus for the Warriors this year?

    Curry- plus 3, D. Lee-plus 2, Bogut- plus 2, Ezeli- plus 1.

    Could go either way-Thompson, Jack, Jefferson, Rush, D.Green, and Jenkins

    Minus? Landry-minus 3, Biedrins-minus 5, Barnes minus 3, Tyler-minus 5.

    • “What will likely be the order of shot distribution?

      Thompson, Curry, D. Lee, Bogut, Barnes, Rush.”

      I think you’ve probably called it, but mostly because of coaching. Teams take the shots they’re “given” by defenses, but the whole point to having an offensive game plan at all is to create opportunities for your best players to get their best shots. To force Ds to give up good open looks to the guys you want shooting. Greg Popovich, for example, is a master at creating situations where Ds have nothing but tough choices. He’s a great offensive coach.

      Judging by Jackson/Malone’s offense in the first half of last year (when they were presumably trying to win), they don’t get the concept at all. For example, Monta-against-all is a dumb offensive play, but we saw it used repeatedly in must-score situations last year. While many fans and “experts” like Lauridsen blamed Monta for being selfish, the coach calls the last play. Monta-on-18,ooo was the plan. Poor Monta.

      As another example, take David Lee’s track record with pick and roll plays. He’s very good at it, but we agonized through literally weeks at a stretch of the team running it 3 or less times per game. Meanwhile, defenses always gave Ekpe Udoh a free pass on mid-range shots, because they’d prefer him to take them instead of letting Lee anywhere near the ball.

      Or take Dorell Wright. In 10-11 he killed opponents with the corner 3. In 11-12 opposing coaches caught on and velcroed a defender to his jersey. When that happened, a real coach would have put Wright in motion a la Ray Allen, who never. stops. moving. Jackson/Malone’s response was to give up a whole series of games scoring under 85 points, then bench Wright.

      While I think you called the Ws shot selection, Frank, I think a real coach would get better results.

      The shot selection doesn’t have to be the way you said, so I guess that means there’s hope, right?

    • I don’t see scoring the ball as the W’s problem.

      Efficient scoring at all 5 starting positions assuming Rush starts. Efficient scoring in Curry, Thompson, Rush, Lee, AND Bogut. Bogut’s FG percentage should be good – if he’s healthy. 4 excellent passers. 4 excellent perimeter shooters. Shot selection should be better since there are so many good unselfish scorers on this team with good attitudes. No selfish 1 on 5 players here anymore. Team players.

      @White Hat – True, Jackson will have to prove early that he can have an effective offensive system in place. And if not, should probably be replaced. Malone? I don’t know if he’s the answer.

      However, I’d like to see them always push the ball upcourt. In the half-court, run pick and rolls all game long. Curry/Thompson and Lee/Bogut. Jack and Landry? In Lee/Bogut, two willing/good passing bigs – and three elite perimeter shooters. The bench is loaded with perimeter scorers in Jefferson, Barnes, and even Green.

      A healthy Bogut should help even the score on the W’s past rebounding issues. Bogut is a beast on the boards. Lee is good too.

      I see problems with the W’s defense. 2 top notch defenders (Bogut and Rush) among the starters and 3 below average/average defenders. Once Bogut goes out of the game or is unhealthy, Biedrins/Ezeli – are they really good enough right now to defend the rim? Ezeli might not be ready. Biedrins?

      I’d like to trade for a rim protector off the bench. Udoh/Sanders/Camby type.

  29. DLee and Jeremy Lin at Lin’s basketball camp in Taiwan:
    http://instagram.com/p/O2yWCDkwNA/

  30. White Hat: You are so right on. When Nellie coached, one didn’t have to worry about having the wrong distribution of shots taken among players.

    It really shows what experience means in coaching. Hopefully, Malone and Jackson will get a clue by looking at the stats. How Jackson could allow Rush, our best shooter to average, I believe, only 7 shots per game during his 26 minutes on the court, left me flabbergasted.

    But, the biggest stupidity, as this season will show, falls at the feet of Myers. Why he would break-up a plus 6 tandem of Udoh and D. Lee when they were on court together, and replace Udoh with Bogut, when his playing alongside D. Lee will yield no more than a plus 3, defies reason.

    Myers had no basis for believing that the Warriors will outscore their opponents with a Bogut-D.Lee combination by anywhere near the margin that a Udoh-D.Lee combo did last year. All he thinks of is increasing individual defensive rebounds that Bogut gives him. He can’t see the forest from the trees. He doesn’t get team ball. He gets a player in Bogut who is going to take shots that should be taken by other players.
    Also, when the Warriors biggest need in the draft was a PF, why he would not trade with Houston when it appears he had the opportunity to do so, and receive their 12 and 16th pick for our 7th pick, and draft either Henson and Nicholson, or Harkless and/or Henson or Nicholson, defies explanation. Especially, since it’s likely Barnes will turn out to be role player who is no better than M. Dunleavy. Even Bill Walsh knew when to trade down in the draft.

    Can you imagine if we had Henson, Nicholson, Ezeli and D. Green. Playoffs virtually guaranteed. Myers and Lacob will prove why you don’t want an owner running the team, and having him select an agent to be your general manager.

    • Curry, Thompson, Rush, Lee – even Bogut – are all efficient, high percentage scorers…

      They will shoot when open and pass when they’re not open. That’s why they’re high percentage scorers, no?

      I’d argue that if anything, they are unselfish. This is probably what I like most about this starting team…

      Unselfish scorers, willing passers. Look for the open shots.

      Scoring will not be the issue with this team.

      Rebounding should be improved with Bogut/Lee

      Defense will be my issue. After elite defenders in Bogut/Rush, Lee, Thompson, and Curry – are average to below avg. defenders.

      • PB, I’m sure you’re right that the Ws won’t have a problem finding good shooters to floor next season. But how they’re used makes a big difference.

        For example, in Nelson’s last 3 years Monta led the league in efficiency for several months – but he was relatively inefficient under Smart and Jackson. Same player, different systems.

        You’re also right about D. Improved rebounding will help, but flooring only a couple of good defenders with the rest of the lineup doesn’t bode well for great overall results. In addition, they have never played together as a unit, McGuire is gone, the team’s best interior defender is gone, and Thompson is nowhere near the defensive player Monta is. Realistically, it’s going to be awhile before the D is even so-so.

        Especially with Coach Flow in charge to start the season. IMHO.

  31. I would participate in this discussion if I had something useful to say. To me, neither the Warriors roster nor their head coach permit easy analysis of how they will play, nor even how they should play. Many players we expect to have big roles have never played in the NBA, two key players haven’t played free from injury in several years, and even David Lee and Richard Jefferson are coming off surgery.

    And of course we’re waiting for Bogot…

    I don’t think I’ll have anything useful to say until we get a look at Bogut in uniform, and we see what Jackson has in mind for this team on the offensive end.

    • I guess there’s no point in speculating on what might have been.

      I am turning wistful and anxious.

    • Jefferson had surgery?

      • I haven’t heard anything about it, but I’m pretty sure he was planning to have knee surgery at the end of last season.

      • We know a few things.

        4 of last season’s top 20 NBA 3-pt shooters are playing with the Warriors next season.

        Curry .455 last season (ranked 3rd)
        Rush .452 (6th)
        Jefferson .418 (14th)
        Thompson .414 (18th, just above Manu Ginobili)

        That’s with a hobbled Curry, bizarre coaching, multiple roster changes, a tank job, and lots of forced shots from Thompson.

        http://espn.go.com/nba/statistics/player/_/stat/3-points/sort/threePointFieldGoalPct

        David Lee was 12th in the league overall in scoring + 14th in rebounding, playing on a lottery team. Overpriced? Hardly.

        Curry averaged 5.8 assists per game last season (less than Monta), Thompson only 2 apg (ranked 82nd among all players – down there with Antawn Jamison and Matt Barnes!!). J. Jack’s career average is 6.3 apg, best on the team.

        The Curry/Monta combo averaged nearly 12 apg last year. Without Monta, and playing next to Thompson, this season Curry’s assists should go way up. In addition, Thompson should play better with others too. The team won’t need any more Thompson-on-5 offense, not with the firepower they have.

        There’s a huge dropoff in shooting among the 2nd team guards. Jack’s lifetime 3-pt average is only .348. Jenkins’s NBA 3-pt shot hasn’t arrived yet; he still always steps up to the college 3-pt line. Bazemore’s 3-pt shot was only .265 last year. Ouch!

        Ezeli at C doesn’t improve the offense. That leaves only Landry, Rush and/or Barnes as the 2nd team “designated shooters.” It probably means that the whole-team platooning Jackson used at the beginning of last season won’t make an appearance this year. It’s too easy on the defense when only 2 or 3 players really need to be guarded.

  32. White Hat and Petey Brian: I think we are all on the same page. We recognize that the Warriors need more help inside.

    While the offense is good, in order to be superior to most opponents, a team needs as many players as possible who can consistently score three points by either shooting the three or scoring inside and drawing a foul shot. The Warriors don’t have enough offense given that the shot distribution won’t be right, and the Warriors will not take as many threes as they should.

    That’s why offensively the Warriors need a PF who can hit the three from outside since both D. Lee and Landry are basically two point scorers, as are Bogut and Ezeli.

    And Felty is right. We don’t know who will be healthy. But, with that said, it’s still obvious the Warriors still have a big missing piece on both sides of the ball.

    • I’m hoping Green should eventually be able to space the floor from three from the PF position should they need to go in that direction.

      I still don’t understand why shot selection will be a big question. Most of the Warriors perimeter players are lethal, skilled HIGH PERCENTAGE shooters/scorers. Harrison Barnes could turn out to be a volume shooter if he doesn’t improve his shot…

  33. Great profile of Hall of Fame inductee and former NBA champion with the Warriors and Lakers, Jamal “Keith” Wilkes, in today’s chron:
    http://www.sfgate.com/sports/jenkins/article/Jamaal-Wilkes-defined-smooth-3822854.php

    A look at that crazy shot, and beautiful all-around game, in one of the most invisible great NBA finals performances in history (it was the game against Philly in which Magic played center in the absence of Jabbar, and scored 42).

  34. Chris Sheridan grades the Warriors offseason at C+:

    http://www.sheridanhoops.com/2012/08/22/nba-offseason-report-cards-2/

    • Sheridan:

      “With Carl Landry coming on board for two years and $8 million, and with the Warriors right up against the luxury tax, you have to believe David Lee becomes the player most likely to be traded to a contender.”

      I doubt this will happen, but why has the team put itself in this position?

      • Actually Chris Bernucca writing for Chris Sheridan…

        This guy also wrote not to be surprised if Jack and Curry are the starting backcourt with Klay coming off the bench…

        Really? I’d be shocked…

        These guys don’t follow the Warriors like we do…

        • starting jack rather than thompson might come from a dire need to have one perimeter defender and second ball handler between the wing positions ; most folks are guessing, with no training camp or preseason competition to go on, who will start at the 3, and that will probably affect the other wing. if jenkins improves as a lead guard, the coaches might also have more flexibility with jack’s role.

        • The Warriors are all-in on Klay Thompson at starting shooting guard.

          Jack is their principal back-up point, as well as their best candidate for a sixth man. I don’t think there’s a chance in a 100 he starts if everyone’s healthy.

          The interesting position is of course starting SF. I really like Rush there, because of his defense. But if the Warriors go that route, I think they’ll find themselves cross-matching a lot between Rush and Thompson. Which will accomplish through the backdoor what I’ve always advocated: moving Thompson to the three.

          • Thompson’s not up for ROY this year, so the pressure to play him might be reduced. Still, Jack’s career 3-pt average is only .348. Unless the rest of his game is a lot better than Thompson’s, he’s not starting.

            The good thing about starting Thompson is that on the first team he doesn’t have to be THE scoring option, as he was during tank time last season. That should give him a chance to develop the rest of his game more. And if he continues progressing as much as he did last year he’s going to be great.

    • The analyses of the other teams make for good reading and provide the basis for comparison with the Warriors’ decisions, their thinking and its quality. Denver continues to intrigue.

  35. From the bryhsiao/Mercury News blog,

    “From Espn.com Insider (I dont have the access, but this is a short quote from it)

    “Is this the year the Golden State Warriors get back to the playoffs? Tom Haberstroh (Insider) thinks so:

    “Bogut and Curry might represent the most underappreciated defensive and offensive players in the NBA, respectively. When healthy — and that hasn’t been the case for about two years now — Bogut can be as dominant defensively as any big man outside of Dwight Howard and maybe Tyson Chandler. (Side note: It’s a myth to say that Bogut is injury-prone, considering his broken ankle in 2011 and mangled right arm injury in 2010 were exactly as he described them — freak occurrences). Before Bogut landed on Kyle Lowry’s foot in January, he and his 7-foot frame had anchored a top-five defense for three seasons in Milwaukee. Sure, you could owe a bulk of the credit to coach Scott Skiles’ instruction. But Bogut’s stellar defensive on-court/off-court ratings underline his instrumental role on that side of the floor: minus-4.9 per 100 possessions in 2009-10; minus-3.0 in 2010-11; and an absurd minus-10.0 in 2011-12 (albeit in just 12 games). All this is to say that no one could score on the Bucks when Bogut took the floor. Without him? The Bucks had just another defense.””

  36. re Bob Myers interview @43:

    Logorrhea bordering on incoherence. Really tough to listen to. Whatever you think of Larry Riley’s stint as “Warriors GM”, he gave good radio. Sounded like an adult, entertained.

    Solid evidence that “Bob Myers, GM” was designed for television audiences.

  37. Another Nellie interview:

    http://www.sacbee.com/2012/08/30/4770683/ailene-voisin-for-nellie-all-those.html

    Of note: Nellie will be presented at the HOF by Bob Lanier, Satch Sanders and…
    Chris Mullin.

    I hope Joe Lacob doesn’t try to seize the mike.

  38. Bogut’s defense will not improve the Warriors this year, as when Bogut was on the court the last three years, the Bucks’ opponents shot over 47% from the field, while the Warriors with Udoh, playing last year with poorer Warrior front court mates, shot less than 47% from the field.

    It should also be noted that the Bucks last year played 2 1/2 times better with Udoh on the court than Bogut playing in 12 games for the Bucks. 82 games.

    As far as keeping teams from scoring inside, the Warriors were better with Udoh then they will be this year with a healthy Bogut. Udoh simply creates more defensive rebounds for the Warriors than Bogut will.

    One can see why a real ESPN insiders project the Warriors to be a so-so team.

    • I don’t know, Frank. Can’t dispute your stats, but they were for a different team, different system.

      When healthy, Bogut is a really good player. Probably not as mobile as Udoh, but taller, stronger and bigger. Matches up better against true Cs. Better rebounder, better scorer.

      If Bogut’s ankle doesn’t give him problems, he should do fine after he rounds into shape.

      • Fact: Bogut never had a coach like Mr. Joe Lacob, who designs and calls play to showcase Bogut’s unique talent and skill. Only someone with genius level basketball IQ like Mr. Lacob can design such plays.

    • Capital P for persistence, Frank.

      FACT: Bogut to take Udoh’s #NBArank of 226 by this time next year.
      FACT: Udoh to be named All NBA Third Team this year

      • I’m hoping, even expecting the addition of a “healthy” Bogut will impact the Warriors (defense-shot blocking/drawing charges/can actually guard centers, rebounding, passing, scoring, and toughness) as Tyson Chandler’s acquisition impacted the Dallas Mavericks.

        The Warriors need his toughness and the physical presence of a true center. It’s a long time coming. I’m looking forward to it!

        I do wish Udoh were still on the W’s though… Loved his defense and shot-blocking. Imagine Udoh teaming up with Landry off the bench?

        • If Udoh was any good at all, Mr. Lacob would have kept him. SIMPLE as that. Do not question Mr. Lacob’s decisions for you are just not worthy compare to Mr. Lacob’s basketball IQ.

  39. 62 days…

    • 62 days and the whole wide world will witness the miracle of Lacob basketball magic, from the philosophy, team building, game planning to play calling. The all in one package! Real fans like me are all so excited, literally peeing in our pants.

  40. @ 42:

    Nice vids, Steve. Looks like we’re going to have to adjust our thinking. Players like Bogut who can just flat-out overpower opponents have been rare in these parts for 20+ years. Bogut makes two:

    http://www.nba.com/video/games/timberwolves/2012/04/04/0021100806_gsw_min_play5.nba/index.html

    Or three:
    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQ5nhqudTV8?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360

    Maybe even 4:
    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XImcWrcuE4Q?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360

    In addition, Lee and Landry can more than hold their own, and Rush and Barnes are no wimps (though none of these 4 regularly flatten people).

    Last year I compared Ws player weights vs opponents and discovered that the team was usually outweighed by an average of 20-30 pounds per player against everyone else. Size isn’t everything, but it’s not nothing.

    Next season, the Ws won’t be the littlest kids on the block.

    • bogut’s physical, rugby mentality approach will add something the team has lacked from a big in many years. but for all we know it will get him injured again, or we might not even see the same kind of player because he wants to stay healthy and see his next fat contract. bogut himself said it was his injuries that kept him from regaining his peak form ; his coach said it was his conditioning, related to recovery, so we’ll wait to see what level he regains or is able to sustain. the woeyrs have another big whose contract goes two more seasons and who never regained his mobility and aggressiveness after an injury, but bogut has better skills and seems to have a very different personality than the latvian.

  41. The game of basketball is a team game and in evaluating a player’s impact one has to look at how the team performs when a particular player is on the court.

    I think evaluators make a big mistake by comparing the physical size of Bogut (bigger, stronger) against Udoh, a quicker player who can jump higher, and to think bigger-stronger, are greater attributes in a center.

    And it’s also a mistake to think there is a difference offensively when Bogut scores a high FG%, and a lower FT%, compared to Udoh shooting a lower FG% and a higher FT%. And Bogut does not help the team if he takes more shots and hits less than 50% as he did the last two years, when another Warriors could be shooting some of his shots at a higher %.

    But, a healthy Bogut is ok. And since everyone assumes our roster is stronger this year, we will see such results in the Warriors having a winning season and making the playoffs.

    I’m just not as sold as some posters regarding the Warriors having dramatically improved their roster. I think they took a step backward with their starting line-up.

    Last year, when Udoh started to last 10 or so games (albeit a small sample) the Warriors were ranked 2nd best in defense. And in the fourth quarter, with Udoh on the court, opponents had a hard time shooting 40% from field. Why would someone not see that maybe we are on to something and tear down such potential? Such is not likely to be repeated this year.

    We will not see the Warriors holding teams to scoring 7 points over a 7 seven minute span as witnessed many times last year.

    We all hope the Warriors will do well this year, and will see if those who are optimistic about the Warriors future are right.

    The Warriors still have room to make another move and strengthen their front court.

    • “…everyone assumes our roster is stronger this year…”

      The team IS beefier. In fighting trim, Bogut weighs 20 lb more than Biedrins or Udoh. Barnes is +10 over D Wright. Landry is +10 over McGuire. Thompson, Jack and Jenkins outweigh Ellis by 20, 15 and 35. Assuming this team has the same conditioning as last year’s (and why not?), they’re physically stronger.

      Of course that doesn’t translate to performance. Size ain’t skill. Ellis is better than any of this year’s replacements. But I always thought the main reason Nelson developed the small-ball attack was because he simply didn’t have competitive Largebodies. BigBall wasn’t an option. This year it is.

      When the matchups don’t work for BigBall, the team has the depth and flexibility to play small/quick Nellieball too. It may be the only time we see Draymond Green play. In fact, smallball is the only reason I can see why the team drafted him.

  42. So Feltsis, you’ve said a couple of times that you don’t want to speculate on how the Ws will play or should play next season.

    But in my office we have a rule: no one gets to 2nd-guess unless they make a 1st guess too. It helps cut down on conflict, but just as importantly it spurs creativity. The best critics tend to be the best creators, if only they’ll step up to the plate.

    Say the Ws are your team to coach. What’s your Plan, man? Don’t worry, no one will criticize you for guessing wrong.

    (Think he’ll believe that, guys?)

    • I don’t need to be coached to stick my neck out. I don’t know of one other sports writer who sticks their neck out farther, or earlier, on player evaluations, season win totals or playoff results than myself. Do you?

      Right now the Warriors have a center around whom they are fashioning their entire approach on both sides of the ball, who hasn’t played healthy in three years, and may not be healthy enough to play well for some time yet, if ever. A point guard equally important to their success, whom many feel is barely even money to survive training camp. And three rookies they intend to thrust into major roles, whom no one has ever seen in NBA competition.

      If you think you can say something genuinely useful about how this team can play, have at it.

      I’ll wait until I feel like I know what I’m talking about.

    • Second! I second!

      But my preference is for the road not taken, what might have been. We’re going to need to some clearheaded analysis to set against what I predict we will hear next year from one and many:

      1. In low scoring games, slow-paced games to come, someone will praise the team for its improved defense, supporting their claim with the points allowed stat.

      2. If the team has middling results, my prediction under the best of circumstances, someone will talk about how improved the team is, how they are finally on the right track, how much better off they are now that they got rid of Nelson, how at least they’re not playing small ball anymore, which was taking the team nowhere.

      3. If the team has miserable results, a possibility for so many reasons, at least they didn’t play small ball and gave themselves a chance.

      And I predict murk for the next 4-5 years at least. We need a shining beacon to guide us through.

  43. Maybe the worst GM in NBA history but one helluva player.

  44. Twitter: Andrew Bogut‏@AndrewMBogut

    Last supper! All packed and ready… Bev Hills and 28 degrees here I come. Bay area later in the week after the Dr. see s im all good.

  45. Since Warriors fans are currently relegated to medical as much as basketball speculation, here’s something else to worry about that I came across today.

    A foot and ankle doctor who’s sceptical whether Stephen Curry’s ankle has been correctly diagnosed and treated:

    “I hope that he realizes that a cleaning under the hood won’t fix a flat.” (gulp)

    http://blog.anklefootmd.com/2012/04/23/curry-to-undergo-exploratory-ankle-surgery-that-is-unlikely-to-identify-true-problem/

    • Felt, interesting reading. As always, in the world of medicine/doctors, in what and in whom do you believe?

      For sure, if I’m GSW I’m not re-signing Curry to a new deal until after the upcoming season, if then. If he has a great season and plays relatively injury-free then it’s a no-brainer to match whatever mega deal he’s offered by another team. On the other hand, if his ankle woes continue, it’s bye bye Steph.

    • Curry went to several high price docs. It’s hard to believe an ultrasound wasn’t considered, if it wasn’t done. But questions remain. The key to both players, assuming they have recovered, is whether they can stop the behaviors that are causing the injuries, in Curry’s case to stop landing hard on other player’s feet, which has happened some half dozen times, in Bogut’s on not doing whatever led to his freak injuries.

  46. A few hours ago on Twitter……

    Andrew Bogut‏@AndrewMBogut

    Loving this CA weather. Jet lag still kicking me about though. Doctors visit on thurs then straight to the Bay! Can’t wait to get working…

  47. Mark Jackson: Reggie Miller was ‘as good as any two-guard,’ outside of Michael Jordan and Kobe Bryant

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/mark-jackson-reggie-miller-good-two-guard-outside-170729459–nba.html

  48. Warriors add Bob Beyer as assistant coach.

    I’m curious, why does a photo of the Warriors’ head coach accompany this story?

    http://www.csnbayarea.com/basketball-golden-state-warriors/warriors-talk/Warriors-hire-Bob-Beyer-as-assistant-coa?blockID=769125&feedID=5986

    • The Ws have proven to be extremely PR-conscious. By definition, that means they always make an effort to present their best face to the public. It’s worth noting that Steinmetz is NOT an independent journalist. He works for the Warriors #1 business partner. He collaborates with the team.

      99% of press announcements like this would show Beyers’ photo. Since this one doesn’t, the unusual photo selection was almost certainly intentional, and the press announcement is being used to send three messages: Beyers is in (explicit), Malone is in (see him there?), and Jackson is, literally, not in the picture.

      That sort of symbolic messaging leaves the latter message thoroughly deniable, so the team has some wiggle room to keep Jackson if possible.

      Whether they do or not will depend on the severity of the fallout from Jackson’s hooker extortion case, which has been “managed” all summer but has a very good chance of exploding when Jackson stands up in front of people who don’t need good relations with Warriors management.

  49. Adam’s recent post on the proposed stadium is good, as is the discussion.

    All that is solid melts into air. . . .

  50. Felty: Great day for Don Nelson. He richly deserves being in the HOF. His t.v. interview last night was refreshing. Glad to hear him be so forthright.

    He thinks Warriors trade was terrific and Warriors will make the playoffs. We’ll see if he is right.

    • Frank, Nellie might very well have a positive opinion of the trade, but even if he didn’t, he’d never in a million years say anything different. If he had his doubts, say, about Bogut’s health, he would never give voice to them. In his position, it would seem uncharitable.

  51. Looks like prospective ticket buyers aren’t too concerned with Mark Jackson’s personal issues.

    September 7, 2012

    Warriors Surpass 10,000 Full Season Tickets Sold For 2012-13 Season
    One Of Just Nine Teams In NBA To Have Sold At Least 10,000 Full Season Tickets For Upcoming Campaign

    With single-game tickets set to go on-sale in two weeks, the Golden State Warriors announced today that the team has surpassed 10,000 full season tickets sold for the 2012-13 season. Currently, the Warriors are one of only nine teams in the NBA that have achieved 10,000 full season tickets sold for the upcoming campaign.

    The Warriors averaged 18,858 fans per game in 33 home contests at Oracle Arena last season, which was the third-highest attendance average in team history. Overall, Golden State ranked 10th in the NBA in average attendance last season, marking the seventh-straight campaign in which the Warriors averaged greater than 18,000 fans per night at Oracle Arena, which has a capacity of 19,596. The Warriors are one of only seven NBA teams to average over 18,000 in attendance in each of the last seven years, joining the Chicago Bulls, Dallas Mavericks, Los Angeles Lakers, San Antonio Spurs, New York Knicks and Utah Jazz.

    Single-game tickets for the upcoming season will go on-sale to the general public on Thursday, September 20.

    • Warriors fans are great, but one thing working in the team’s favor re attendance is their low-low ticket prices:

      http://www.fancostexperience.com

      In one of the most affluent metro areas in the country, the Ws average ticket price ranked only 24th (as of 2010), at only $34.13. For comparison, the Lackers are the most expensive at $95.25. Even Kings tickets average about 40% more than the Warriors, at $51.80.

      The dubs low tix price is offset somewhat by Oracle Arena’s size. At 19,000+, it’s the largest bball venue in the state. The team doesn’t plan for the new SF arena to be that large. They’re estimating capacity at about 16,000 but with a full complement of box seats, which can increase revenue by as much as 30-35%. Despite that boost, I think everyone expects general admission ticket prices to go up too. The Ws won’t be setting attendance records in their new arena. Instead, they’ll be essentially restricting access and charging more.

      Hopefully they’ll also try to increase demand by giving us a better team too.

  52. Joe Lacob talks about the Warriors and their new radio deal with KNBR.

    http://www.knbr.com/portals/3/podcasts/murphmac/090512joelacobandlewdickey.mp3

  53. @ 75: This is an idiotic piece on so many levels, typical of the ignorant and lazy journalism surrounding Nellie’s career. Just to mention a few of the more egregious points:

    If you are going to handicap a coach by his playoff success, don’t you first have to handicap the talent of his teams? Seems like common sense to me, but completely escapes this writer.

    Nellie never got knocked out of the playoffs with the better team, something Phil Jackson and a host of other championship coaches can’t say. And he pulled off more stunning playoff upsets with the worse team than anyone in history.

    Similarly, if you’re going to hold Nellie’s frequent messy exits against him, shouldn’t you know something about why they occurred? Warriors: Webber signed a one year deal and never intended to remain with the Warriors, making him virtually uncoachable. Knicks: The most dysfunctional, backstabbing front office in league history + Nellie tried to trade the fading Ewing for Shaq, and got ratted out. Mavs: Literally told Mark Cuban to go fuck himself when Cuban insisted Nellie play the injured Nowitzki in game 4 of 2003 Western Conference Finals + Cuban let Nash walk and signed Dampier the next season. But his exit still wasn’t contentious until Nellie humiliated Cuban with We Believe. That’s when the bad blood erupted, and Cuban wrongfully tried to withold Nellie’s money.

    I will never attempt to argue that Nellie was without faults, or not partially to blame for the rough patches in his career, but the one-sided analysis this writer — and virtually all journalists — have given Nellie’s career is simply ignorant and lazy.

    Don Nelson was a genius who over the years grew used to having enormous power not just on the court, but as the de facto GM. You can count the NBA coaches in history with similar powers on the fingers of one hand. Auerbach, Popovich, Riley with the Heat… who else? As a result, Nellie simply refused to take any crap from any meddling fool that tried to interfere with his judgement — even if that fool was the owner. In my mind that stands in stark contrast to the kiss-ass mediocrities that populate the benches of the league, and is something Nellie should be credited for, not blamed.

    And has anyone besides myself ever examined how Nellie exercised his powers? Ever looked at his record as a GM?

    http://feltbot.com/2010/09/18/crazy-nellie-don-nelson-the-gm/

    Nellie was quite possibly the greatest GM in league history. How has this gone unnoticed by the punditry?

    And does anyone ever mention the relationships that lasted for Nellie? Fitzgerald, who stuck with him for decades, and two different franchises. Popovich and Auerbach, both of whom tried to hire him away as coach? Aren’t those the signature relationships of his career?

    It’s amazing to me how little even self-professed NBA experts care to understand of Don Nelson’s career and impact on the game of basketball, even now as he’s walking into the Hall of Fame.

    • tell it

    • felt you say, “If you are going to handicap a coach by his playoff success, don’t you first have to handicap the talent of his teams?”

      Is that how you rationalize Nellie being 60th of all coaches in playoff winning percentage?

      Enjoyed the link you posted…forgot how I posted as “Basketball for Dummies”…remember how you used to troll Adam’s site with that handle? One of the many you used…

      Anyway I actually agree with much of what you say…but as I said in that link….it’s hard to overlook Nellie’s last couple years…

      • What is the historical winning percentage of 8th seeds in the NBA playoffs? 7th seeds? 6th? etc.? There’s a statphreak out there somewhere who can find the answer to this.

        But before she does, I’ll bet every dollar in my pocket that Don Nelson has all those winning percentages beat.

        THAT’S how I rationalize it.

    • Ditto. Superb analysis.

    • feltiste, you would have enjoyed hearing a conversation between espn’s Bucher and one of the radio dunces. bucher wrote his ticket out of local sports scribbling for the mercnews by stoking the anti-nelson fires during the coach’s rift with Webber and to a large degree owes his espn gig to that. in this conversation though not a word to the effect, this was a great opportunity for me and i rode it to the bank. his spin, he was the new guy and the only face amongst the media up to the task of defying the great dictator nelson. there are still plenty of fans who think of themselves as woeyr loyalists who blame nelson for the drought years of the cohan era that lasted until nelson’s return, their feeble minds tilted by bucher and his ilk.

  54. Stephen Curry: Congrats to coach Nelly on his induction to the HOF tonight. Glad we got him the record my rookie year. Tried stuff nobody tried before! Twitter

  55. Real fans must start a Joe Lacob for basketball Hall of Fame campaign. If Don Nelson is good enough for HOA, surely our great Mr. Lacob is over qualified. Quite sure that Jerry West will be on-board as the chief promoter.

    HOF here we come.

  56. McGuire to the Raptors. . . .

    • “The temptation is to view this as a team that can adapt to any style — fast or slow — depending on the opponent. . . . But simply because the Warriors can play a mix of styles doesn’t mean they should. . . . By trying to master too many styles of play, the Warriors risk not fully grasping any of them.”

      Two observations:

      1. He isn’t saying anything.

      2. It is a surefire plan that will have the Warriors playing into the hands of teams who do understand strategy.

      • What he’s saying is what he’s always said: the Warriors should play big and walk the ball up the court. Period.

        But I agree with you on this, rgg: Embedded in this Warriors team is an extraordinary small ball unit, with all-stars at center and point guard. If Mark Jackson and Mike Malone don’t understand how to use it — and they don’t — the team will underachieve by a great deal.

        Particularly if Bogut is out, or slowed.

  57. From Twitter: Looks like Bogut is headed to tonight’s Raiders game. Be careful, AB. LOL

    Andrew Bogut‏@AndrewMBogut

    Off to take in the experience of #raidernation tonight @raiders . Hopefully a good experience! Any do’s and don’ts I need to know about?

    Andrew Bogut‏@AndrewMBogut

    Another great day in the bay!! Good work out with my @warriors fellas!

  58. Let’s forget about the SF facility proposal for a minute…

    The W’s are going to have issues building a facility in Santa Cruz. Actually, I’m quite surprised an environmental impact report hasn’t already been completed for this project. How any of these folks thought that they can get around an environmental report – in tree-hugging, fish squeezing, banana slugging SANTA CRUZ – is beyond me…

    A 30,000 square foot facility – would have impacts on the community, no?

    http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_21521008/santa-cruz-city-council-meeting-warriors-behind-closed?source=rss

    • Petey, the Lacobs are die hard Tea Partiers. The tree huggers in SC are just being nasty and intolerant towards Mr. Lacob.

    • “tree-hugging, fish squeezing, banana slugging SANTA CRUZ”

      These don’t sound like basketball fans, either. This decision baffles me.

      • I’m not tuned in to local Santa Cruz politics and the incentives of these groups – I’m just very surprised that in building a professional sports stadium – however big/small – with goverment loans – didn’t trigger the need for an environmental impact report…

        I hope the team can build something in the Bay Area. Santa Cruz would be nice to see a Weekend/Friday night game for me (1-1.5 hour drive each way). I’d go to a game or two every year for sure…

    • Beyond the heartlessness of taking the team away from a loyal fan base in Bismark, ND (Isn’t this just a smaller version of what the Maloofs are getting reviled for? And Art Modell in the past?) there are several good business reasons for the move.

      1) Synergy with the Warriors’ natural fan base.
      2) Cost savings in administration.
      3) Softens the blow of repeated demotion for Jeremy Tyler.
      4) But the huge hidden reason no one is discussing: By moving their Dleague team to Santa Cruz, the Warriors are pissing all over the San Jose territory like a big dog on the neighborhood tree. Can the NBA really view San Jose as neutral territory for Larry Ellison now, geographically dividing as it does the two Warriors bay area franchises?

      A genius move on this level.

      So long as you don’t give a damn about the fans you leave behind.

      • Excellent points Feltbot! #3 (keep the miles on Tyler’s Lamborghini (spelling?) low) and #4 (keeping THE Bay Area team for as long as it can!).

      • I hope Ellison does get a team so we can see what he would do with a team—and might have done for the Warriors.

        And I hope he gets a team around here so we can see Lacob and him square off. That would be entertaining.

        • The bay area supports multiple football and baseball teams. It can obviously support multiple NBA teams as well.

          The largest bball arena in the state will become available soon. The owner will be willing to deal. And Oakland has been one of the best NBA markets for over 30 years.

          Team purchase price is a non-issue for Larry Ellison. Fact: Ellison could feasibly acquire the entire league.

          Lacob didn’t buy a region. It wasn’t Cohan’s to sell. Lacob only bought a team. I’d love to see Larry Ellison push another team into the bay area. I think it would be good for the league, and good for bay area fans.

  59. 49 days.

    And in about an hour or so…48 days.

  60. Warriors announce TV and radio schedules for 2012-13 season

    http://www.nba.com/warriors/news/1213_broadcast_schedule_announced_091312

    • Why Biedrins wasn’t amnestied, in a nutshell:

      “Santa Cruz Warriors President Jim Weyermann said NBA limits on debt loads prohibited financing from the Golden State Warriors.”

      • The amount Weyermann is referring to here is $500k, less than a 1-yr. rookie minimum contract. It is a minor rounding error to Lacob.

        Anyone who believes the Warriors couldn’t have covered that amount deserves to get soaked. Suckers.

        • After all, Lacob (and most if not all) is a 1%er. If he can pay off the SC City Council a few bucks and get John Q. Public Tax[auer (have you seen SC downtown) to pony up money for a perceived benefit, well thats just the ‘free market’ at work.

          After all, its a great ROI. I hope the 100 or so hoops fan that show up for the hoops have dinner before the game.
          Like most stadiums in Sports are payed for…by the tax payer.

          Just life the people of San Francisco in the future, ‘Cruise’ town took a hit, hope it helps their economy!

    • One more season with Andris – then his contract will be expiring! Andris has a problem driving the lane for fear of getting fouled… Now? Andris has a problem driving the boat through the lake for fear of getting fined! LOL!

  61. Ol’ biz felt…

    Missed your rationalization on Nellies Playoff winning percentage above. (September 9, 2012 at 9:56 am post – your numering doesn’t show up)

    LOL…and if that rationalization doesn’t work you can try coaches standing on one-leg, drinking a Budweiser, wearing fish ties…

    Keep up the good work ;0>

  62. No less an authority than Bill Russell says the Lackers might take 6 months to reach their peak:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/recovering-sprightly-bill-russell-dishes-dream-teams-lakers-135550334–nba.html

    But if the Lackers are serious about playing the Princeton offense, couldn’t they run it better without Dwight Howard? He’s going to miss at least the preseason:

    http://www.slamonline.com/online/nba/2012/09/lakers-confirm-dwight-howard-wont-play-at-start-of-training-camp/

    • I’m really looking forward to the Warriors/Lackers match-up, however unfavorable.

      Curry/Jack vs. Nash/Duhon,
      Thompson/Rush/Bazemore vs. Kobe/Meeks/Goudelock,
      Barnes/Jefferson/Green vs. MWP/Jamison,
      Lee/Landry vs. Gasol/Jamison, and
      Bogut/Biedrins/Ezeli vs. Howard/Hill

    • Gotta love the Bucks fan in the comments who says that the W’s should be on this list and the Bucks – who will lose Ellis for nothing as he opts out in a year – shouldn’t! Sounds like a Bogut fan.

  63. A heavily biased article on the Warriors new SF arena (written by an Oakland resident who once worked for Oakland and may want to again), but it makes some good points about cost estimating the new facility.

    The most compelling point is that the only place comparable to the Warriors’ new arena is Brooklyn’s new arena, which cost roughly $1 billion without building it over water in earthquake country.

    I doubt very much that a billion dollar estimate for the complete installation is news to Warriors management. We’ve heard preliminary estimates of $500-600M from them, but that was probably for only the building, not including the necessary site and infrastructure improvements, licenses and legal fees, etc. etc. So while the $500-600M estimate is not a lie, exactly, it is misleading since it couldn’t possibly cover the full costs of lighting up the new facility.

    I think the Warriors and SF put the low-ball figure “out there” to help smooth the community/voter approval process. Neither has officially said so, but I think the City is going to be on the hook for all the site and infrastructure improvements, as well as a City bond issue to provide low-cost building funds to the Warriors (to be paid back from a portion of gate receipts). Since the new place should host 300+ events per year, “infrastructure improvements” means revising streets and traffic control systems in the whole area. “Site improvements” will almost certainly mean ripping out the pier and replacing it with landfill. And there’s the $400-500M difference between the Warriors’ official preliminary estimate and what the article laid out.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/golden-state-warriors-san-francisco-arena-cost-1-billion

  64. Interesting (and dumb) comparison of the Clippers vs. Warriors.

    Here are some excerpts from his bit about Curry:

    “Curry is fast — real fast. If the game becomes a foot race, Curry could be a problem for Paul to keep up with.”

    Hm. Fast? Curry? Shifty, yeah, but fast?!?!?! Wonder who he’s thinking of.

    “Since Ellis is gone, Curry will have the ball a majority of the time for the Warriors. This means, the offense could move even faster at times…” Uh, not with Bogut in the mix.

    “Curry…can be a chucker…” He says this about one of the best shooters in the league.

    On David Lee vs. Blake Griffin:

    “Lee is a broke man’s Griffin. They both grab rebounds, they both take the ball to the rim and they both can throw it down — obviously.

    However, Griffin shoots a higher field goal percentage, plays more defense and is a way bigger element to his team’s success. Griffin is the game changer Lee wishes he could be.

    WINNER: They’re both good players, but Griffin is on another level Lee will probably never see.”

    Hilarious! Griffin has a shooting range of 3 ft., doesn’t pass and barely plays D at all. I love reading stuff from homers like this.

    http://fullyclips.com/2012/09/16/2012-13-pacific-division-break-down-los-angeles-clippers-vs-golden-state-warriors/

  65. From TK: Q&A with Andrew Bogut

    ————————————————

    The Warriors just announced that Stephen Curry (right ankle) has been medically cleared for all basketball activity after a check-up with his Southern California surgeon.

    Andrew Bogut is on a slightly different timetable with his own surgically repaired left ankle, but he sounded quite happy with the progress so far when I checked in with him earlier today.

    Camp starts in two weeks.

    Bogut has just begun jumping/lay-up drills–he did his second session today and seemed none the worse for it.

    As he has said in the past, Bogut is pointing towards the Warriors’ season-opener on Oct. 31, and added today that he’d like to get 1 or 2 preseason games under his belt before that.

    But he also said that he’s not going to push it if his ankle is just 95%–he doesn’t want to mimic the misery Curry went through last year when he came back several times and re-aggravated his ankle each time.

    We talked about a lot of things, and Bogut surprised me a little at the end when he said his 2010 elbow injury had the born right-hander seriously contemplating shooting left-handed permanently.

    Big-picture summary: Bogut is probably the key piece to any potential Warriors’ success. Plus, he’s engaging and a very smart guy.

    If he’s healthy and the Warriors are any good, he’s going to be a huge Bay Area personality.

    —-ANDREW BOGUT interview transcript/

    -Q: What kind of work are you doing with your ankle? Can you get any basketball in, 3 on 3?

    -BOGUT: No, I’m not live yet. Non-contact, still.

    Basically we just started light-jumping this week, doing lay-ups and explosive stuff off my ankle. Doing that three times this week and then we increase the load next week.

    It was about 50 lay-ups and about 20 or 30 hook shots.

    -Q: That was today?

    -BOGUT: Monday and today, yep. So I do that. And every day I’m doing a little conditioning–treadmill, bike, elliptical.

    And as far as basketball goes, I’m clear to shoot as much as I want, bascially, as long as it’s just jumpshots. Usually shoot two or three hundred shots, shoot free throws, shoot hook shots and then explosive stuff is really where they’ve limited it to a certain number.

    But it’s been progressing well.

    -Q: This is one of those things where the day-after a workout is the most important day?

    -BOGUT: Exactly right. So Monday was the first day that I jumped. Next day had some soreness, which is normal. Third day, it was gone, so that’s a good sign.

    When I increase each week, when I increase the workload or introduce something new that I haven’t done, there’s always going to be a little soreness the next day. But it’s how I bounce back that third and fourth day.

    If it’s still sore third, fourth, fifth day, then there’s obviously some problems. But I haven’t… I’ve bounced back pretty quick.

    -Q: So until Monday, you hadn’t done any explosive work…

    -BOGUT: I’ve done no explosive work (before Monday). The only explosive work I’ve done is some mild ladder work–running through a ladder–and a bit of light skipping, but I’m talking 30-second sets. So I haven’t done any jumping, only just got cleared to do that.

    -Q: So the last time you dunked was… ?

    -BOGUT: That night (of the injury). Yeah, so it’s been a long grind. A long time.

    -Q: Does it feel like you’ve been away from the game a long time when you get back out there just for what you’re doing now?

    -BOGUT: Yeah, it does. Both mentally and physically. Seven-eight months is a long time to be away from the game and not being able to run on the court. It’s frustrating, but you’ve just got to keep pushing through it.

    I haven’t forgotten how to play the game, thankfully. It’s just a matter of now getting my legs back under me once I’m 100%.

    -Q: You have an idea when you’ll be able to do basketball work, get some action in?

    -BOGUT: The next few weeks. The next progression obviously after jumping now is to get to a point where I can do it every day without any setbacks.

    And I’m guessing once that happens, they’re going to slowly start introducing some change-of-direction stuff. I guess that’s the next phase, running, change of direction, pushing off this foot. That’ll increase probably jumping was–first day, 20, 30 cuts, that’s it, see how it responds…

    Just progressing through it. Exactly on schedule from what it was supposed to be from when this all started.

    -Q: You’re a left-footed jumper, I imagine…

    -BOGUT: Yeah. So that definitely does pose a little bit of a stress for me, because it is my strong leg that I jump off. But thankfully I’m good with my left hand, so I can go both ways still.

    Hopefully I get it as strong as (my right) one is now.

    -Q: You’ve had some lingering issues from your right elbow injury back in 2010. Has this given you extra time to get that elbow back closer to where it was?

    -BOGUT: Yep.

    -Q: Is the elbow coming all the way back?

    -BOGUT: It has definitely, it’s a blessing in disguise in a way, if you look at it, try to find a positive out of it–the elbow gets more rest.

    But like I said, I’ve been shooting since I had the boot on. Doing touch stuff–even if I couldn’t bend my knees, I was doing touch stuff. So I haven’t been giving it as much rest as you think. But it definitely helps–not falling on it, not playing NBA basketball…

    -Q: Bumping into people…

    -BOGUT: Exactly right. So that’s definitely helped. But the elbow’s probably as good as it’s going to get. You feel it on some days, some days you don’t.

    -Q: Are you around the other guys when they’re working out?

    -BOGUT: Every day. The way they set up the workouts, I come in about an hour and a half, two hours before everybody comes in and I get all my rehab stuff in, ice baths, hot baths, a bit of soft-tissue work, mobilizations…

    Then what we’ve been doing these last two weeks is half the group is in the weight room for 50 minutes and the half the group’s on the court. Then we switch, so it’s about an hour and 40 minutes.

    I can lift, I can do all those drills. Then when the guys go on the court I just ride the bike or go on the elliptical. When they scrimmage, I get my shots up.

    -Q: Can you get chemistry built in this or is that going to have to wait until camp or the games, realistically?

    -BOGUT: You can only do so much right now. With NBA rules, Coach obviously can’t be out there coaching us.

    It’s good to see guys here early, though. Definitely is good to see guys here in early September, working on their games and being around together. We definitely need a head start, especially with our record last year. We need any advantage we can get.

    -Q: There are so many new guys–including you, by the way, since you haven’t played a game yet. All the rookies…

    -BOGUT: And the free agents that we’ve signed, a couple trades, Jarrett Jack…

    -Q: Can you get to know guys in this atmosphere?

    -BOGUT: Yeah, relatively, around the locker room and all that. But once the season starts you get to know guys a little bit more. In the preseason, everybody’s happy, everybody’s jovial, everyone’s positive.

    I think when you start to find out what guys are like is when s– hits the fan, when guys are tired, it’s 2 a.m. and you’ve got a game the next day. That’s when true colors tend to come out.

    Until that happens, you really don’t know guys’ real personalities, until their backs are against the wall, maybe.

    -Q: Do you have a sense about how this team is going to play?

    -BOGUT: It’s hard right now. But obviously we’re going to be a scoring team. We have some flat-out scorers on our team–Steph and Klay and Harrison Barnes is a scorer, too. He can be very aggressive. David Lee and myself. The list goes on. Richard Jefferson as well.

    I think our focus isn’t going to be offense so much in training camp. That’s what we’re focused on in these drills we’re doing in the preseason, there’s a lot of defensive focus.

    That’s been a weakness here not just last season but for a number of years–the defense wasn’t a priority. So we’re trying to change that.

    We know you’re not going to win many games and even if you do, you’re not going to win many playoff series scoring 110 points a game. That’s just not going to happen.

    The math and the numbers and the stats say if you can grind down teams, keep them under 100, generally you’ve got a good chance to win.

    -Q: How much of that is on you?

    -BOGUT: A lot of it, yeah. Definitely a lot of it. I can be the vocal point in the paint, can see the whole floor and talk and communicate, block shots, take charges.

    But the other thing we struggled with last year, when we did get stops, we didn’t get the rebound. I think we were the second-worst defensive rebounding team in the league. So it doesn’t make sense to work hard, get the stop and then Dwight Howard gets a tip-in. It kind of demoralizes the whole feel.

    So that’s on me and David Lee to make sure we get those defensive rebounds.

    -Q: You bring up Howard. What’d you think when Dwight and Nash end up in LA?

    -BOGUT: (Shakes his head.) The rich get richer. That’s generally how it is in the NBA. Grown accustomed to it the last five-six years. The rich get richer and the poor have to kind of scrounge and find other role players to fill it in. That’s kind of the way it is.

    They’re obviously going to come out all guns a-blazin’. Obviously Dwight’s not going to be quite ready (at the start of the season), but just having Nash and Kobe together, and throwing Pau in there, that’s a pretty potent roster.

    -Q: How have you done against Dwight in the past?

    -BOGUT: Up and down. I’ve had some games where I got in foul trouble, like everybody. And I’ve had some games where I’ve guarded him pretty well.

    The focus with Dwight is not to give him any cheap baskets and dunks, because he’s just so strong. Once he gets the ball within 3 feet of the rim, he’s putting you in the basket.

    So I try to focus on making him use his touch a little bit more. And if he’s having a good game and making his hook shots, you’re in some trouble.

    -Q: You feel a challenge when you see Dwight in your division?

    -BOGUT: We’ve got work to do, yeah. I mean, the Lakers wherever they play there tends to be a lot of Laker fans. Same thing here. We know there’s going to be a lot of hype on that bandwagon. That’s going to be a tough team to beat, a state rival.

    But we can’t run and hide from that. Hopefully we can steal a coupled games from them and see how we go. But obviously them and Miami are the two championship favorites.

    -Q: You get to measure yourself against them, that’s for sure.

    -BOGUT: Exactly. You want to measure yourself against the best. But at the same time, you play them four times a year. You don’t want them playing too well…

    -Q: Just from what you’re seeing now on the practice floor, is there some younger guy that you think we should watch closely in camp and the exhibitions?

    -BOGUT: That’s hard to say right now. But I think Festus (Ezeli) has actually surprised me. He’s very raw offensively, but I think for a back-up center, you don’t need to have a whole lot of offensive polish early in your career.

    I think he and Biedrins are going to compete for minutes. It’s going to go one way or the other. He’s strong, he blocks shots, he rebounds, he plays D. His touch is still getting there.

    That kid (points to Bazemore, who is walking by) actually surprised me a lot. Even in this setting–he’s played real well. It’s hard to tell, but to go undrafted… very, very surprising.

    He’s long, he’s smart, he knows how to play the game. He’s kind of a Tayshaun Prince type player and he likes to play defense. I’m surprised that he didn’t get drafted.

    -Q: Is Bazemore a guy that other wing players don’t particularly enjoy being guarded by?

    -BOGUT: Yeah, he’s long and he’s athletic. He can move. But offensively, he’s not as bad as people might think. He can actually score the ball. He’s not one of those guys that just guards and doesn’t touch the ball.

    He’s one of those guys, he’s been here every day and he’s worked his butt off. That’s a great story–he’s undrafted, he’s worked his butt off, and he could actually stay for a while.

    -Q: Can Ezeli be a true NBA center?

    -BOGUT: There’s not many left in the league. There’s probably what, 10 teams that have a true center. Dwight’s 6-9, but he’s obviously strong as (a true center).

    Festus can get away with playing most guys these days. The Shaqs and the Yaos–those days are kind of gone. It’s gone to more quicker, stronger guys.

    I think he’ll do OK. There might be a couple guys he might have to figure out. Like Dwight’s one he’ll definitely have to figure out. And Pau. But I think he’ll be OK.

    -Q: You’ve mentioned you’re not quite looking at being back for the start of the exhibition games. You think you’ll be ready and just sit as a precaution, or is it you just won’t be ready by then?

    -BOGUT: Nah, the 7th? I definitely don’t anticipate the first one (vs. the Lakers on Oct. 7). No.

    I want to play exhibition games because I haven’t played basketball in 7 months when it gets to October. So I want to play and get out there and get the rust off.

    But at the same time, if this (points to his ankle) is 95%, I’m not going to have the whole six months of being as smart as I can, and I’m not 100% then come back and do something silly.

    Similar to the Steph situation last year, where it’s back and forth.

    The organization and Bob and everybody have stressed, when you come back, make sure you’re back. Don’t come back and then miss five games and then come back and then miss five games and then come back. Come back and go guns a-blazin’ and that’s the plan.

    I still think I’m on target for the 31st, that’s opening night, which has been my goal from the start.

    But I definitely would like to get a game or two in, somewhere around late-October, I think one’s in LA, and one’s in Sacramento maybe [ACTUALLY HOME VS. PHOENIX]… If I get those two in, it’d be a definite help.

    -Q: Can you be full-go in camp?

    -BOGUT: I wouldn’t say full-go. Two-a-days, definitely not. My body is. I’m in great shape physically, I’ve dropped a lot of weight. But yeah, no way I’ll be ready to go two-a-days.

    If I can get one session in, that’d be good. We’ve got to monitor it yet. We’re just figuring it out, jumping and impact and change of direction. This is only two weeks from camp, so I need to kind of be smart with that.

    -Q: You’re just going to miss our injury questions. You want to keep us asking…

    -BOGUT: Believe me, that’s the last thing I want (laughs). I just want to say, ‘I’m ready to go, I’m playing this game and don’t ask me about it again.’

    It’s frustrating. But I’ve come this whole way–I don’t want to get through 7 months of rehab and then get to the end of it and do something stupid. I want to sometimes do more in sessions, that’s just my competitiveness, but I want to be smart as well.

    -Q: Can you explode off the right foot?

    -BOGUT: I have been the whole. Anything I do with my left, I do with my right, just to even it out.

    -Q: Can you go up hard with the right now?

    -BOGUT: The right’s fine, but they don’t want the number of impacts a day. I can, but they don’t want me landing a hundred times, even if it’s two feet.

    -Q: How are you with the left hand shooting it now?

    -BOGUT: Fine.

    -Q: You were always good with the left hand.

    -BOGUT: I’ve always been comfortable with my left.

    -Q: Can you actually shoot jumpers with the left?

    -BOGUT: Yeah. I can shoot free throws with my left. One my elbow was all messed up I was seriously considering changing to a left-handed stroke.

    There were days in practice where I was shooting the piss out of the ball with my left hand. It is a big change. But I was definitely tossing out the idea.

    -Q: How was that Raider game? Anything else like that coming up for you?

    -BOGUT: I want to try to get to an A’s game because there’s a couple Australian guys that play with the A’s; they’ve kind of asked me to come out.

    But the Raiders game was good. Good to see the passionate fans. It was a pretty passionate game but didn’t end too well. There were a few angry fans.

    We just got an invite from the Raiders–we had a suite there. The game started off good and then just hit a lull, kind of got slow.

    It was more just seeing the guys in the costume, guy dressed like Hercules, and there was that section…

    -Q: The Black Hole.

    -BOGUT: Yeah, the Black Hole. Good to see some of what the Bay Area is all about.

    http://bit.ly/PZlPMr

  66. Two weeks from training camp, anyone encouraged by this latest interview?

    Note that his right elbow still hurts him, has “some good days and some bad days.” It’s sensitive to NBA pounding. It got so bad that he seriously contemplated switching shooting hands. Is there any doubt this is arthritis? Any doubt that the decline in his shooting to 44% is directly related?

    And I apologize in advance to those who feel I am not qualified to comment, or being “pessimistic” or somehow rooting against Bogut, but everything I noted about his ankle in previous posts was also corroborated by this interview. Quite obviously, he is still dealing with soreness, even after the lightest of workouts. And if his was a simple ankle break, why are he and his doctors so extremely cautious about his rehab, to the point of not letting him come back at even 95%?

    It is more than a simple ankle break, it is osteoarthritis. And Bogut’s doctors are doing everything possible to avoid a reoccurrence of the out of control inflammation that caused his last setback.

    Sorry, Dr. Felt’s not optimistic. I keep coming back to what one of my closest friends, who is an actual — and quite accomplished — physician, told me privately about Bogut’s condition:

    “This is what they shoot horses for.”

  67. “he’s not going to push it if his ankle is just 95%” (Bogut @113)

    I have to wonder what “95%” means. 95% mobility? 95% strength? Usually when an athlete is 95% coming off an injury, it means he’ll be a little gimpy or slow but otherwise is OK and will soon recover. Here it seems to mean there’s concern his 95% could drop to a much lower percentage in a hurry with some wear or strain.

  68. My doc sez there is no such thing as “a simple ankle break.” An ankle is extremely complex, consisting of 4-7 bones (depending on what you count as an ankle bone vs a leg or foot bone), plus numerous joints and ligaments.

    My doc also sez “100% recovery” is a misnomer. A healed bone’s strength is rarely an issue, but it is rarely returns to the same shape as the original. That can be problematic, depending on the bone’s interaction with other bones and soft tissue.

    On the plus side, a bone break is often less damaging longterm than damage to joints and ligaments. Joints and ligaments simply do NOT heal on their own (Bogut’s elbow), though most patients regain some degree of functionality when swelling goes down. It is also possible to correct some joint and ligament damage with surgery (like Curry’s ankle ligament, which has been shortened and reattached).

    The short version of all this: it’s more accurate to say that Bogut’s doctors are aiming for an acceptable level of safety, not functionality. After that, learning how to use his new ankle will be up to Bogut alone.

    With the best medical assistance in the world Bogut’s ankle will almost certainly become something he can work with, over time. Then he’ll have to figure out how to work with the new one, like Grant Hill did:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_dont_lie/post/grant-hill-thinks-a-misdiagnosis-destroyed-his-ankle-and-career?urn=nba,wp2209

    One good thing about Bogut’s situation is that, unlike Hill’s team, Warriors management is saying all the right things about Bogut’s recovery and playing time.

    Based on where Bogut says his ankle is right now, my guess is that Beans and Ezeli will combine for more PT than Bogut in the early part of the season. But right now there’s no reason to think Bogut couldn’t bounce back as well as Hill did. Over time.

    It’s the usual (always and forever?) Warriors refrain: Waitle nexyer. But this time it’s a good plan.

    • “There’s no reason to think Bogut couldn’t bounce back as well as Hill did.”

      Hill was hampered by ankle injuries ever since his arrival in Orlando, playing in only four games in his first season with the Magic, 14 games in his second and 29 in his third. He was forced to sit out his entire fourth year with Orlando (2003–04). http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grant_Hill

      I think you might want to look for a more encouraging example. The problem is, there are none where centers are concerned.

      A few other points:
      1) Hill did not and does not have osteoarthritis — he had a misaligned ankle. There is every indication that Bogut does have osteoarthritis — prior history, that 108 degree temperature in his joint, and his rehab regimen.
      2) Hill weighs 225 lbs., not 270+
      3) That final surgery (his fifth?) that “fixed” Grant Hill? That’s the same surgery that Yao Ming got.

      NBA history has proven that centers with bad ankles are a breed to themselves. An endangered breed.

      • You’re right, Grant Hill’s experience was pretty grim, and lots of things were different about it; the source of Hill’s problem, the nature of his break, the surgical techniques used, and the pressure on Hill to play. My main point was that recovery is possible, and Hill is proof. His injury was more serious than Bogut’s, especially after all the scary complications he had.

        Re arthritis, it does sound like Bogut has significant arthritis in his elbow but we haven’t heard anything to indicate that’s true of his ankle. Arthritis is degradation of a joint, not bone. I doubt if even Bogut’s doctors know yet if he has any arthritic symptoms in his ankle. He still has swelling and irritation from the original trauma and all the surgery. They can’t really know about his range of motion, ultimate strength or pain level until things settle down, down there. That takes months, not weeks.

        If I were a betting man, I’d bet against Bogut returning to his early-days form. I’d have bet against Grant Hill too, and that was correct, to an extent – he’s not the same player. But functional recovery is possible, even for a behemoth, and Bogut, like Hill, could still return to playing at a high level, possibly even better than before. Just not identical to before. If he’s like most people, including Grant Hill, he’ll have to re-learn how to use his new ankle.

        Just guessin’.

        • “I doubt if even Bogut’s doctors know yet if he has any arthritic symptoms in his ankle.”

          When Bogut had severe inflammation (a 108 degree temperature) in his ankle 6 months after his first surgery, what was that a symptom of? Severe inflammation caused by precisely nothing. His surgery a distant memory, and not a bit of basketball activity (he’d just gotten his walking boot off). So what caused it?

          Those loose particles of bone and cartilage in his ankle, that he was forced to have removed with a debridement procedure, what were they a symptom of? Were they somehow missed and left over from his first surgery?

          If you haven’t already, allow me to suggest googling “osteoarthritis.”

    • “Waitle nexyer. But this time it’s a good plan.”

      I wonder. Jackson is going to have to prove himself and do so quickly. And Lacob has a bit of face saving to do. There’s going to be pressure to perform now.

      • Sure, but so far the team is saying all the right things.

        I wonder how Jackson would fare if he broke Lacob’s new toy.

  69. There must be something of the Don Quixote about Lacob: he wants to build the team on a fractured ankle and he wants to build an arena on water. For some reason, I suspect he wants to do these things not in spite of those conditions but because of them.

    Ah, the romance!

    Tilt them windmills, Joe!

    • I think you’re giving Lacob too much credit for romantic heroism. He’s an accountant running an investment fund.

      I think the team’s competitiveness is an issue to Lacob only as far it affects the fund’s asset valuation. And the SF arena proposal is still only a proposal until serious money hits the table. Until then, it could be nothing more than the opening bid in negotiations with a number of prospective host cities. Perhaps even Oakland.

      • “I think you’re giving Lacob too much credit for romantic heroism. He’s an accountant running an investment fund.”

        When you look at how he spends money on the team, so much of it wasted, and what costs he’s facing with the new arena, you gotta wonder how good a businessman he is.

    • Be respectful, you are not in Mr. Lacob’s class.

      You can criticize Mr. Lacob if your tax rate is below 6%. Our Mr. Lacob is way smarter than that wanna be Romney, even Romney only pay 13%. You can criticize Mr. Lacob, if you one of the boys. Clearly none of you are.

  70. I’m really interested in seeing how this kid Bazemore develops. And hoping that we don’t “cut” him before we know what we have. Kudos to the front office for picking up a potential diamond everyone passed on.

    If Bazemore can show us ANY offense (unlike McGuire who was clearly incapable of consistent offensive contribution) – coupled with Bazemore’s potential for playing elite defense…

    Bazemore’s development can add more flexibility to the team. If Bazemore is able to back up Thompson – will give this team a new look.

    Brandon Rush – an excellent defender – could actually start at SF if Bazemore is able to back up Thompson at SG. If Bazemore’s not ready – Rush is our best option at backup SG (Jack/Jenkins can fill in a pinch though).

    Harrison Barnes – is a SF, and probably not a good fit for backup SG minutes and his defense is unproven. Same with Richard Jefferson – who used to be a great player, but has a lot of miles on his formerly (NBA elite) athletic body.

    • Bazemore’s playing time is probably going to be at least somewhat dependent on how much Jarrett Jack plays. Jack is a far worse shooter than Curry. Pairing him with Bazemore would certainly improve D over the starting duo, but then outside shooting might completely disappear. It would be even worse if Barnes were on the floor with them. Jefferson and Rush are both in the NBA’s 95th percentile in 3-pt shooting, Barnes is not.

      We’re talking potential offensive shutdown here. Without a strong perimeter threat, defenses could collapse on the paint and smother the entire Ws attack.

      So I don’t know about Bazemore. If he can develop offensively, he’ll get PT. If not, the most he’ll see will be spot minutes when Thompson needs a breather and Curry doesn’t. When Jack is on the floor, expect only Thompson or Rush at the 2.

      Or not. M Jackson made a lot of painfully stupid PT decisions last year, and it remains to be seen if he’s learned anything. Anything at all.

      • I’ve always liked the idea of a shutdown perimeter defender to guard the opposing teams best offensive player for minutes – at a minimum to provide energy, athleticism, hustle and a different look.

        Rush can do this – I remember watching a couple of games where he really slowed down Dwayne Wade while he was with the Pacers – and viewed him as a potential defensive stopper. With Bazemore, hopefully another. A healthy Bogut, another.

  71. The upside to this club, even with questions at center, is that they could be the spirited, overachieving team that gives all their opponents fits, something like the A’s this year. Especially if Curry is healthy and he is turned loose and the team plays uptempo. I.e. not play the way Lacob designed the team. They guys are going to play their hearts out, and many of the new players, given a chance, could surprise.