Blowout Observations: Rockets 140 Warriors 109 + Thunder 119 Warriors 98

I think I saw some new themes emerging as the Warriors faced their first stiff competition since the return of the prodigal big man. But it’s probably unfair to get into them too much at this time. Road blowouts happen in the NBA, particularly in February, and particularly heading into the all-star break. Let’s leave this on simmer for now, and wait for a few more ingredients to throw themselves into the pot.

I’ll restrict myself to a few observations.

The Unguarded Three-Point Line: If you watched the Houston game, you probably noticed what I mentioned a few posts back: the Warriors don’t guard the three-point line. At least not until the record for three-pointers in a game is about to be broken. Then they not only guard it, but flagrantly foul the shooter. (As an aside, have you ever seen a flagrant foul at the three point line before? How about one that was ordered by the coach? I can’t say I’ve ever seen that before.)

You noticed that the Warriors don’t guard the three-point line, because the Rockets buried those shots at a record rate, and you got to watch the replays multiple times. Virtually none of the Rocket’s threes were guarded, let alone contested.

It’s the first time this season I’ve seen the Warriors get seriously burned by their strategy of packing the lane. But I doubt it will be the last.

Interestingly enough, I caught Mark Jackson on pre-game radio yesterday saying, “I’ve read reports that [we're willing to give up the three point shot, but that's not the case.]” I found that interesting because… reports? What reports? Where has this been reported but here in this blog? It certainly was never reported by the Warriors media.

It was also interesting because it’s simply not true. It should have been made obvious to all in the Rockets game how the Warriors prefer to pack the lane. Or as Jim Barnett puts it, “overhelp.” Even a Rockets player was quoted post-game mentioning that the Warriors were packing the lane.

Not that I blame Jackson at all for saying this. A coach doesn’t want his game plan revealed. Nor do I blame Jackson at all for having this game plan. When your starting lineup contains Curry at point, Lee at four, and Barnes and Thompson at the wings, you are going to be forced to pick your poison on defense every single night. Not one of those guys is capable of extending their defense to the three point line. So you might as well play to your strengths, and pack the lane, right?

I did notice Barnes and Thompson running at the three point shooters quite a bit more in the Thunder game. And I did notice the quick hook that Jackson gave them in the Rockets game (as I’m sure they did). So it’s unfair to say that the Warriors are content to simply sit back and watch their opponents launch threes.

It is fair to say, though, that they are far more concerned about giving help in the lane than most teams, and that leaves opposing three point shooters wide open. By choice.

The Warriors Defense: As a result of the last few games, the Warriors defensive efficiency stat has fallen quite a bit. The Warriors are now 19th in the league in points per possession allowed, at 1.025. So back in the bottom half of the league.

Which is what you might predict — I at least predicted it — because bottom line, the Warriors don’t have very good defensive players. Particularly when Barnes and Thompson are on the court together.

And, as we’re discovering, it doesn’t help the Warriors defense to have Andrew Bogut on the floor in place of Festus Ezeli either. At least not yet.

The Warriors’ Field Goal % Against stat has barely budged, though. Despite the intense and sustained shelling of the past two games, the Warriors are still 5th in the league in this stat.

Which should tell you, if you didn’t realize it before, just what a bullshit stat FGA is.

Andrew Bogut: Is Bogut actually helping the Warriors on defense? He’s certainly made some nice defensive plays, most notably that block of Brandan Wright at the end of the Dallas game. But my overall impression of him heading into the Rockets game was that he might be hurting more than he was helping. The Rockets game confirmed that for me.

Let’s not forget that his first three games back were against terrible competition. Against Toronto he looked OK, but his counterpart Aaron Gray put up 22 and 10, career highs. Against Dallas, he didn’t look very effective at all against a very mediocre small-ball team without Kaman or Nowitzki. And the Mavs outrebounded the Warriors. Against Phoenix he once again looked decent against Marcin Gortat, a player who has been mailing it in, attempting to force a trade. But the Suns outrebounded the Warriors as well.

Against the Rockets, he looked flat-out terrible. Completely exposed. He labored to keep up with the pace, frequently getting beat down the floor. (As you might remember, this was an issue Scott Skiles had with him.) In the half court, he struggled moving side to side when the Rockets moved the ball. And he was terrible defending the pick and roll.

If you still have the game on tape, take a look at the Rocket’s last possession of the 2nd Q. It was an Asik/Harden pick and roll, that resulted in a Harden layup. Bogut had no ability to recover to defend the rim after extending to hedge on the pick. Jim Barnett faulted Bogut (more than once) for coming too far away from the rim, but that misses the point. The Warriors WANT their centers to hedge on the pick and roll. It’s something that Ezeli and Biedrins absolutely excel at.

Andrew Bogut can’t do it. Not in his current incarnation.

The Brand: Barnes has really started shooting better over the last few games, right? We keep getting quoted his shooting statistics by the Warriors media.

Wrong. What has changed is Barnes’ role. The Warriors are no longer forcing the ball to Barnes, for those horribly inefficient mini-Melo mid-post isos. Nor are they isoing him much anymore on the wing, those plays that seemed to result in a turnover or forced jumper more often than a successful drive.

The Warriors have given up on that, for good reason. Barnes’ game is not up to it.

Instead, they’ve allowed Barnes to settle firmly into the Dorell Wright role, simply looking for opportunities in the flow of the offense. Fast break layups, catch and shoot threes, slashes to the basket. It’s the perfect role for him, one that suits his game and complements, rather than disrupts, the beautiful flow of the Warriors offense.

And it’s made him efficient. As Dorell Wright demonstrated with his 14 pts/gm scoring average in his first year here, the Warriors’ fourth option merely has to be decent in order to look great in the box score. This great-passing, utterly unselfish Warriors team will find you when you are open.

Barnes has impressed me in one aspect of his game: his finishing. He is very skilled in the air. Very good at using the backboard. Got a good left-hand. And unlike Klay Thompson is fearless about getting hit. He’s the best finisher on this Warriors team.

Unfortunately, he’s not very good at free throws, and I don’t think that will get better. His shot is non-fundamental. Pulls it back high, over his head. Resulting in a shot with not enough arm and too much wrist. The great shooters, like Curry and Klay, keep that ball in front of their face.

But the main issue with Barnes will always be his defense. The Warriors are desperate for perimeter defense, and Barnes just doesn’t provide it. He takes away nothing from offensive players. Not the shot, not the drive.

I had to laugh at 4:50 4th Q of last night’s Thunder game, when after his 19th point, Barnett and Roye erupted in full-throated celebration of the flowering of Barnes’ offensive game, just as Sefalosha buried a three in Barnes’ mug on the other end. I say “in Barnes’ mug” loosely, because in truth Barnes was barely in the picture.

Barnes simply has no edge on defense, no desire to get into his opponent’s shirt. Take that play last night, when Draymond Green dumped K-Mart out of bounds. Take a moment and try to imagine Barnes doing that. OK, that’s enough. I don’t want you to hurt yourself.

And he just doesn’t seem that attentive to defense overall. I note that he’s already been the victim of two rookie hoaxes this year. Once, in the first OKC game I believe, when Westbrook faked a timeout and drove right by the sleepy Barnes for the layup. (Jackson yanked him for that.) And then against Dallas, when Vince Carter pretended he was injured, before burning Barnes with a backdoor cut for a quarter-ending slam.

Rookie mistakes? Maybe, but do you remember it happening to anyone else?

And then there’s the rebounding. Barnes is an extraordinarily inconsistent rebounder, running hot and cold. In general, hot against weak competition, and cold against strong. Against Houston he managed 1 board. Against the Thunder last night, ZERO, in 29 minutes. That doesn’t happen by accident.

And one last thing. Barnes is a pretty good athlete, right? With pretty good hops? And at 6-8″, he’s got pretty good size.

So he should be able to block shots, right?

Not Barnes. Barnes is averaging a paltry .2 blocks per game. To put this in perspective for you, Brandon Rush averaged .9 last season, in comparable minutes. Klay Thompson, not nearly the athlete that Rush and Barnes are, averages .5 this season. And even last season averaged .3, 50% more than Barnes.

What’s up with that? A certain amount of intelligence goes into blocking shots, anticipation, timing, that sort of thing. Is that what Barnes lacks?

Or is it something else, like desire?

Maybe it’s just not part of The Brand.

Kent Bazemore: The anti-Barnes. Bazemore’s defensive talent is out of this world.

That block of James Harden’s layup at 2:11 3Q of the Rocket’s game? Wow. That just doesn’t happen.

He followed that up in the Thunder game with blocks of KMart at :30 1st Q, and Jackson at 9:05 4th Q.

Bazemore wants to impose his will on the defensive end, which is something the Warriors desperately lack in their wings.

If he gets a reliable three point shot (currently at 31%), his place in the league is assured.

Not buying him at point guard, though. Not at all.

99 Responses to Blowout Observations: Rockets 140 Warriors 109 + Thunder 119 Warriors 98

  1. Jackson’s comments regarding the claims the Warriors are not guarding perimeter 3-point shooters, amply demonstrates that the Warriors are clearly reading your blog. Nice going Felty.

    Jackson went on to say that the Warriors prefer opponents shooters shooting three’s over two’s which seems odd given the rate good three-point shooters are hitting the three’s. Unless, he feels the Warriors are able to nullify missed three’s, by the Warriors getting defensive fast breaks off of missed there point shots.. I don’s see that happening.

    It also appears that the Warriors read my post stating that Barnes was not using the backboard. That changed the next game.

    I do think that Biedrins provides as good of defense as either Bogut or Ezeli. His lack of movement for whatever reason is killing the Warriors inside. Bogut presently is primarily helping s on the offensive end of the court.

    I’m not clear what your point your point is regarding FGA% but I do think that the FG% differential between teams in a particular game is one indicator of who wins and who losses, as are additional possessions via offensive rebounds and turnovers, as well as the differential in trips to the foul-line and made foul-shots

    I agree that the Warriors present line-up is not working defensively.

    That is why I suggested that Bogut play with Landry and D. lee. it would be hard for that line-up to do worse defending threes than the present line-up. And. it’s not like Barnes shoots a lot of threes, but he is getting to the foul-line more by driving to the hoop. Also, I kind of like Barnes and Jack coming off the bench with Biedrins.

  2. The myth of the improved Warriors:

    (With apologies to our blogmaster, continuing my discussion with Frank on the last post)

    Last season, before the Ellis and Udoh trade, the Warriors were 17 and 21, 45%, 2 games under .500. Eight of those losses were by 8 or fewer points, 4 of those fewer than 4.

    But of those games, note:

    1. Curry missed 15 games entirely.

    2. Biedrins, if you want to count him, missed 9.

    3. There were no substantial backup players at any position. The bench was weak.

    4. Many of their opponents then are substantially weaker now, notably Boston, Dallas, New Orleans, Portland, LA (and Houston?). And, as noted earlier, in many of the wins against good teams this year, many key players have been out.

    Factors 1, 2, and 4 are easily good for 8-10 more wins. At least. And a better record.

    5. It was Jackson’s first coaching year, along with the rest of the staff. And they didn’t have much training camp or preseason at all. Nor did they have the advantage of the new defensive scheme, which has brought some results.

    In short, the team had the core of a successful team, with potential, given intelligent acquisitions and trades, and a manageable cap with which to do so.

    The Bogut trade was a mistake.

    • Correction: the Warriors did have Udoh on the bench, or filling in as center. And I want to repeat this stat from the last post:

      Bogut is 57% on free throws (he looks bad on the line) career, Udoh 74% and 80% the last two years.

    • Make that factors 1, 3, and 4, not 2.

  3. Felty, I wish you had mentioned Curry’s struggles the past two nights. 3-12 against Houston and 5-20 against OKC. He seems to have lost the distance on his jumper the past two games — long with most everything (and the very unusual short airball against OKC).

    I think the Warriors recent struggles are defensive but also because Curry is tired, has lost some quickness since earlier in the season, and other teams have pushed the pick and roll with Lee way to far outside to be effective. All the fast break points the Warriors have allowed look to me like tired legs as opposed to schematic — Bogut almost always late getting back doesn’t help (Ezeli would HUSTLE back on D or at least occupy the offensive glass effectively.)

  4. Houston’s game was simple… Houston shot the lights out from 3 point land – and the W’s didn’t.

    Prior to the game, Houston’s shot 3 pointers at a 35% clip for the season. For the game, Houston ended up shooting 40 threes for 57% from 3 point land. Difference between shooting the season average and 57%? 9 more shots made than “normal” = -27 points.

    The W’s shoot an average of 39% from the 3 this season… Houston game? 20% on 3-15. If the W’s shoot their season average? They’ll make 3 more shots = +9 points.

    That’s the difference in the game…

    No more hogwash about Bogut’s defense… Really tiring to read because people are not doing their homework here. Or are reading too many boxscores and not watching the games.

    Watch the game. Please pay attention when you watch.

    If you watch closely, you’ll see that BOGUT CHALLENGES AND CHANGES SHOTS AT THE RIM. High IQ defensive player.

    And Bogut makes poor saps like Goran Dragic (flails to the ground, then pop up and desperately kick Bogut in his shin! LOL!) and Jeremy Lin (Bloodied nose) PAY for taking the rock into his domain… This won’t show up in any boxscore – but I guarantee you Lin remembers Bogut is there waiting.

    Don’t believe me? Check out Houston’s starters 2 point shooting percentages for the game…

    Asik 3-8, Lin 5-8, Harden 1-6, Parsons 2-4, Patterson 4-11

    I don’t expect the same game result in the rematch with Houston in the Oracle on Tuesday…

    • No Bogut – little chance to beat the Memphis Grizzlies. With Bogut, I like the W’s chances to win.

      • Django Bogut (unchained)

        Agree with you a 100% PeteyBrian. This game is tailor made for Bogut. Grizzlies are struggling (lost to PHX last night), and a slow half court offense in which AB will not have to run up and down the court so much. Conley will not be able to drive to the bucket with him protecting the rim. Lets play!

  5. Houston shot 48 per cent on two’s. so how did bogus hep is inside? Did you not see the dribble penetrations that led to scores as one other poster pointed out.
    Rgg: totally agree. Can you reprint both our posts here from feltbot’s bogus post for others to see?

    • Bogut only played 25 minutes, Ezeli 6 minutes, Biedrins 0 minutes…

      The Houston starters shot 15-37 on 2 pointers at 40%.

      The Houston bench shot 8-14 on 2 pointers at 57%.

      Guess which group Bogut defended the most?

    • Frank,

      Take the lead here and do so yourself, maybe edit as you see fit? But you got me thinking. I went over the results last year, and what I found @2 above was just stunning.

      Udoh represents the kind of affordable, athletic player who, along with others, could improve the team. I especially would have wanted to see him against OKC and Houston.

      When you compare him with Bogut, you also have to consider who else the team might have picked up with money saved. And by all accounts on this blog, Udoh hasn’t yet reached his ceiling. All kinds of scenarios might have been worked with acquisitions and trades using the money saved.

      Could Udoh and Landry have been played brief stretches, just to give Lee some rest?

      • Yes, love to have Udoh as a back-up big for sure…

        Just looked at Udoh’s stats again… Why is he only shooting 41 from the field as a lottery big man??? And his rebounding numbers are flat… Still loved his defensive tenacity when he was here… Looks like he’s a dime a dozen player in Milwaukee (similar players) too so they don’t really need him there…

  6. Barnes is very inconsistent in the quality and level of his play… Barnes can be absolutely dominant at different things at different times – but only in spurts. With the right matchup. When he feels like it…

    Nellie would get the best out of this kid for sure. Or we’d find out fast that he couldn’t play… In one season.

    I do believe his role on offense has changed and is being better utilized now. I’m impressed so far. Barnes can athletically finish at the rim better than all W’s. It’s what he does well. He’s a decent shooter and can improve here as well…

    We’ve witnessed him dominate on the boards. If and when he wants. LOL! Need more consistency.

    Defense – I’m still undecided here. At 20, no need to bury the kid. He’ll get better when he learns the NBA game/how to defend. Agreed with FB regarding Barnes lack of blocked shots – some guys have it some don’t. Like David Lee.

    • Love to see Basemore play more… With the starters.

      It’s still very early – but I see Tony Allen potential here. If he can stick that three with consistency – Bruce Bowen potential!

  7. If lacob is as fan friend friendly as he claims to be,he would have felty select an Advisory committe. Who would meet with Myers, first in nba,maybe then the warriors wouldn’t make so stupid trades!

    • The Hat Rode Into Town (cue spaghetti western music)

      Frank, the Ws do read this blog. As a marketing-minded organization, they keep a finger on the pulse of fandom. What fans think is important to them, and reading blogs is an efficient way to keep track of what fans think.

      The Ws read other blogs for the sports narrative – the drama of player personalities, how did you get so great, the agony of defeat, etc., blahblah. Most sports reporting isn’t about the game, it’s theater. That’s true for any major pro sport.

      They read FB because this site is about game strategy and basketball fundamentals. As early as this time last year, FB had Mark Jackson playing smallball to win. Curry being permitted to be Curry. Lee playing C. Walk-up 3s. Uptempo. Basically all the things they’ve done to win this year.

      The Ws would be crazy to skip this blog. They’re not crazy.

      So keep on, Frank. Who knows, Udoh could actually become available.

      • Let's hear some harmonicas. Now, dammit!

        ps On an odd note, the only person in history to compare Monta to Dwyane Wade was yours truly, right here on this blog. As of mid-season last year, Ellis’ stats matched Wade’s almost perfectly.

        Things have changed since then, of course. Too bad Monta mentioned it in the video that got him so much ridicule.

        • Kid Monta was just being honest, for sure. Prideful players are always confident of their abilities, comes with the territory.

          Ellis haters be done-damned forgetful!

          Monta we luvya!

        • ellis’ fans may be using the same methods as the quasi-all star ME himself, confirmation bias, if they seriously consider him wade’s equal or better. whatever measurements they’re looking at, safe to surmise they are not considering free throws attempted and made, rebounding, effective field goal pct., or true shooting pct., limiting the discussion to offense.

          when the peerless ME’s fans persist in another of his notions, that he was the best defensive guard on the team, we have to return to confirmation bias. if he was inclined, he was functional in man defense when his opponent had the ball. at home in his comfort zone, one on one hoops, as it were. one suspects that fans of his d might have a similar affliction to his — watching the ball too much. it might be enlightening for them to look at video and watch him when his man is off the ball, or after he’s been freed with a screen or fake. there’s also a substantial body of evidence that shows the line ups with him gave up many more points per possession than the ones with him on the bench — but since that contradicts rather than confirms the premise, it can’t be valid.

          • It is even more complicated…

            Well how about the teammates on the team then? Where does that get factored in? Wade had Shaq, Alonzo Morning, Udonis Haslem, and none other than Lebron James!

            Who did Monta have? Biedrins, and any Hall of Famers ????

            Wade benefited and still benefits today. Also look at durability. Monta much more durable. If you switch the teams they are on, maybe Ellis does have stats. Monta got the opponent’s number one defender every night. Did Wade?

            Food for thought? Both are fine players to have on one’s team.

          • I hate to think where the team would have been this year had they not acquired Jack, and if they couldn’t have, who else might they have found? Lacob gambled he could find a suitable replacement for Ellis, and this time he got lucky.

            The defensive problems of the backcourt as much fell on Curry, and Ellis, playing at 2, had to take on larger players. But someone else up front would have helped both. As for offense, you only have to look at the box scores when they played together, and the numbers speak for themselves. Had he stayed, Ellis would have tried to make work whatever the coaches drew up. His assist total went up dramatically his last years with the club, and he worked very well with Lee.

            But if the team had any ambition, they had to break the backcourt up, and it’s clear they want their leader to be Curry. I have no complaints here. Also, it’s unlikely they would have wanted to renew Ellis’ contract, not at what he’s getting paid now. I don’t know that this isn’t what Ellis wanted himself, to take a shot elsewhere. It’s not clear he would have exercised his option for his final year. His numbers were good last year (not so much this year), and he might have been a good trade piece last year for some other kind of player, plus trade picks, whatever. Or he could have been moved last summer or this season.

            Another loss from the tank season is that we may not have appreciated what we had in Nate Robinson, who has served Chicago very well (at $900k). No Bogut trade, and there would have been money to take this chance and pick/trade other players.

            Watching Nate and Lawson tonight was a hoot.

            And we haven’t heard the last from Denver, who has managed its roster and salary well.

          • ME’s papa-san, the player’s teammates are the only ones included in the comparisons of how line ups fare with one individual present, as opposed to lineups with him on the bench. woeyrs lineups with ME did considerably worse on defensive possessions than essentially the same personnel but with different guards, the last season and a half ME was on the team.

          • ahsoo can you enlighten my dimful done do mind and give me the source of your comparison of guru like ‘bill james’ statistics?

            it would be much appreciated!

      • I’ve heard strong evidence the announcers read the blog. So it behooves us to make the best arguments we can and behave as well as we can.

  8. Comparing Barnes to Faried:

    The announcers repeatedly said that Karl does not call plays for Faried. He just gets the ball and figures out a way to score. 9 for 10 tonight against Chicago, 12 boards, 21 points 2 steals. And hell to pay on defense.

    • why the comparison ? they play a different position, were drafted from different classes, and faried was not a high lottery pick — chosen after the lottery picks about 8-9 players after k.thompson.

      did you really just learn about the Den g.m. ? he ran point for their front office during the c.anthony ordeal. in hindsight of course NY is a more appropriate setting for his soap opera, and the personnel changes Den has been through are testimony to Karl’s ability to continually reconfigure and still win.

      • Because Faried is a self-starter and Barnes is not, because he’s the kind of player I covet and the Warriors need, because he was overlooked and wasn’t tainted by the hype machine that starts in high school and earlier now and because I would trade him for B in a second but I suspect that’s a no brainer.

        No, I don’t know anything about Ujiri and defer to your superior knowledge here as in most everything else. I was just curious. Denver has made some awfully intelligent moves and I wondered who’s responsible and if anything can be learned.

        • if there was a hind sight draft do-over, both faried and thompson would go earlier than the latter’s #11 spot. and drummond gets picked earlier than barnes. one can only guess that barnes was perceived as a ‘safer’ pick, someone better for marketing as well, especially in the context of the investment made in bogut.

          ‘safe’ picks are rational with the history of how much poor picks have set back many teams. the woeyrs were fortunate that the back to back drafts, wright-randolph, were useful barter items (d.lee sign and trade, second round pick for the lottery choice wright that became d.green), with their negative potential on roster development. mullin, apparently complacent with his franchise latvian center, valued wright more than noah — who’s become indispensable on a serious contender. ellis apparently thought his spot in the line up would be protected in similar fashion when he took offense at nelson’s draft of curry. but it was actually the player two drafts later, thompson, who was picked to replace him. drafting noah might have easily placed them out of the draft position to take curry, and ellis might still be around in that ‘alternate hoops-verse’ time line.

          subsequent to the wright-randolph whiffs, the lacobites for their part misplaced a couple of picks with tyler and jenkins, not that they were terrible choices in themselves, but how they were given priority over retaining lin. tyler’s pick was purchased, and with one less roster spot and guaranteed deal taken by the picks, they don’t need to waive lin to consolidate the ill-conceived offer to d.jordan. obviously, if they were serious with their intent to nurture lin’s development, they probably don’t draft jenkins either.

  9. Teams have exploited Warrior weaknesses. Chicago did so by crashing the offensive boards, Houston by shooting three’s, the Thunder by via dribble penetration into the paint. Will Memphis do the same? Will the Warriors
    have an answer? If not, the Warriors need to consider changing their line-ups.

    Bazemore has a long way to go. He needs to cut down on bad passes and dribbling mistakes. He has to change his release on jump shots from his side to in front of his face. No wonder so many of his shots do not travel straight to the basket. He can get to hoop, but needs to prove he can finish. His getting to the foul line a revelation.

    He also seems to take every pump fake or react too soon to his opponent shooting resulting in unnecessary fouls. But, on defense the guy can sky.

    But, we’ve witnessed the improvement that Barnes has made, so there is hope.

  10. Playing against Houston, in Bogut’s 25 minutes on the court, Houston converted 10 of 19 inside shots, or 52%. Not good.

  11. Totally OT: A typical conversation between myself and the Thaiblonde:

  12. @12: Have a beer while you’re trying to decide (who’s the blond guy?)

    • that handsome Iowa alum never shared a line up in Bos with Cousy. he must be a stunt double for the prickly McClymonds high grad who started with the other four. the beer co. probably didn’t want to exceed its salary cap to pay him.

  13. FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

    Feltbot The unathletic Klay Thompson also averages 50% more blocked shots per game than David Lee. I guess David Lee isn’t all you hype him up to be. Unless you hold him to a lower standard than Harrison Barnes.

  14. @6 @14

    Of course I hold David Lee to a different shot-blocking standard than Harrison Barnes. Lee is almost always shorter and less athletic than the man he’s defending. He also has a wide body and short arms, which makes it far more likely that he will foul rather than get ball. It is idiotic for Lee to even attempt to block shots.

    You’re comparing apples and oranges. The only reason that Harrison Barnes can’t be a great shotblocker at his position lies between his ears.

    • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

      That is complete BS.

      Kevin Love has a shorter wingspan than David Lee and is not nearly as athletic yet he averages 150% more blocks per game.

    • Kevin Love’s “wingspan” is 3/4 of an inch less than Lee’s. And yet Kevin Love is an an inch TALLER than Lee, and his max vertical jump is 2.5″ HIGHER.

      And Love averages 25% more blocks over their careers, .5/gm to .4, about exactly what you’d expect, given their physical and athletic differences.

      What is your point anyway? What does Harrison Barnes’ disinclination to block shots have to do with David Lee? Harrison Barnes is taller than Klay Thompson, he is twice as quick and athletic as Klay, his max vertical is 8″ higher than Klay’s, AND 7″ HIGHER THAN LEE’S. And yet he blocks fewer shots than Klay, and isn’t even in the ballpark with the 6’6″ Brandon Rush, whom he also jumps higher than.

      Why?

      (drops mike)

      • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

        My point is you manipulate numbers and you are a hypocrite. You NEVER ride David Lee an 8 year NBA veteran for his defense. David Lee is one of the worst defenders in the NBA yet you give him a pass and blame the rookie Harrison Barnes for the Warriors defensive problems. It is pretty ignorant to judge Barnes a rookie off his first 50 games. You also have said that by watching Jeremy Lin during warm ups he had no touch and didn’t belong in the NBA. Safe to say you and your predictions are not as perfect as you claim they are.

        You also flat out lie. Kevin Love are the exact same height and David Lee is the one with the higher vertical. David Lee also won the 2001 McDonalds HS All American game Slam Dunk contest. So don’t give that BS that he lacks height and jumping ability.

        Kevin Love in bare feet 6′ 7.75″
        David Lee in bare feet 6′ 7.75″

        Kevin Love no step vertical : 29.5
        David Lee no step vertical : 30.5

        I would love to play you one on one for 10K and kick your ass. You think you know so much about basketball. You are the king of lies and manipulating numbers.

        Pick up that mic…. WHY DO YOU LIE AND MANIPULATE NUMBERS?

        Because you are full of shit!!!

        • Love is usually listed at 6-10″, Lee 6-9″.

          Anyone interested in the truth on this subject should go to Draft Express for the relevant stats.

          The most relevant stats for me are that The Brand is 6-8″, has a 39.5″ vertical, and averages .2 blocks.

          I also find it relevant that he achieved a grand total of 3 rebounds in the last 3 games.

          • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

            Funny you should say that. Draft Express lists them with SAME EXACT Height in bare feet. What they are listed as by their teams is meaningless. What is relevant is that the site you quote and the site I used has them with the exact same height.

            Most relevant is that Harrison Barnes is 20 years old and that you continue to ignore that David Lee is an awful defender.

          • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

            People that know more than Feltbot on David Lee:

            “It’s off the ball where he really fades from the scene: Lee just doesn’t help. Only seven power forwards blocked shots less often, and the Warriors once again gave up more points (3.8 per 100 possessions) with Lee on the floor. Having Andrew Bogut behind him will help limit the carnage, but it won’t make Lee any better. He can’t just stand on the opposite block and watch while an opposing guard shoots a clean layup.”

  15. The Hat, sill hoping, lowers its expectations

    I don’t need to see any more, how about you? Mind if I turn this off?

    No, that’s fine.

    I thought you were going to turn it off.

    Bazemore’s playing.

    OUCH! Did you see that?

    What?

    Green just shortened someone’s career. Maybe his own.

    OK, now I don’t need to see any more. Game over.

    I thought they were good this year.

    Can’t win ‘em all. Argh.

    That’s a pirate sound. You don’t say words like that at work do you?

    What?

    Argh.

    No. At work that would take explanation. I’d have to write memos.

    I can’t believe I’m watching the Warriors! What a bunch of losers! They got DESTROYED!

    So I guess that means you don’t want a bobblehead.

    No, I DO want a fucking Klay Thompson fucking bobblehead so I can whack that fucking head right off his asshole fucking bobbleshoulders.

    Bobbleshoulders? Hehe! Yes! Asshole bobbleshoulders!

    You know what I mean.

    Yes I do. Give me a moment to simply enjoy the artistry of your phrasing.

    OK, whew, I’m over it. Now I gotta ask. If we went to a game how hard would it be for me to keep you from whacking Klay Thompson’s head off his asshole bobbleshoulders? I mean, bail, what the fuck, that must be a lot of money…

    Don’t worry. Your tickets probably won’t get me that close.

    Oh. OK, you’re probably right. Argh. We’ll do it. We’ll call it a Valentine’s gift. Goodnight sweetie.

    You’re going to bed?

    Yeah. What the hell. Fuckers.

    Don’t forget to clean out the litter box.

    Yeah, I got it “covered.” Get it? “Covered?” Ya know, like… aw nevermind.

  16. I’m not sold on Bogut at all. What percentage did we see tonight? 60? 70? 80? I suppose if he had an unstoppable hook, he might justify himself on offense. Yes, he made a few, but it doesn’t look like anything they can count on. Memphis didn’t have problems fronting him. He’s doesn’t have a quick move to the basket, and if he gets fouled, he’s a lousy free throw shooter. The pace slows when the offense runs through him. He reacts slowly. (Yes, I saw the feed to Curry.) Memphis had no problems covering the perimeter when he got the ball, and Curry and Thompson most need an active offense so they can get open looks.

    On defense, he wasn’t dominant on boards and couldn’t stop the fast drivers. Lee would be much better served with an athletic partner who can penetrate on offense to disrupt the opponent’s defense, who can quickly adjust on defense and disrupt, and pull down boards from sheer physical ability (I got Faried on the brain).

    • Did Bogut look slow in reading Curry’s feed? Lol! Way too harsh on Bogut’s game!

      I enjoyed Bogut taking Conley to the hardwood hard again early in the game. That’s PGs Dragic, Lin, and now Conley. Stuff you don’t find in a box score.

      • Actually, the problem may not be Bogut per se, but the assumption that he could make a difference with this team. If he played for a larger, more physical team that controls the pace, he might have fit in well. I’m skeptical, however, such a team could go very far, not the way the game is played now.

        And that’s not the team we have. The plan itself is flawed.

        It kills me how others are trashing Lee on defense. He’s always going to give up a handful more points to a Randolph or Gasol. But he more than offsets that with his offense. It’s the rest of the team that needed to pick up the slack.

  17. No one can defend Lee’s horrible defense. No one! All those who try will see their arguments go down in flames in a brutal dumpster bonfire… Like hiding the short, stubby, uncoordinated, fat kid in a CYO 1-2-2 zone defense, David Lee’s defense has been hidden in a sea of Jackson/Malone zone defenses. Kudos to Coach Jackson and his staff for all the zone defenses that have been so successful so far this season.

    Memphis picked on Lee’s individual defense in the first half. Bogut and Lee were switching between guarding Zbo and Gasol, which confused the Memphis bigs a trip or two down court. Then Hollins just told them to post up whomever Lee was guarding… And for one half – Lee was completely abused.

    Just enjoy David Lee – the outstanding offensive player that he is – and especially with the right matchup.

    And ignore the defensive sieve Lee was in the first half.

    • Hey wait a minute…I thought we had Bogut for the defense and it would free up DLee for offense. Hmmn…

  18. The story is now breaking: Soccer is rigged at every level, everywhere.

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/8924593/match-fixing-soccer

    So let’s recapitulate: Wall Street was rigged. Cycling was rigged. The best baseball players of the last 20 years were cheaters, with the owners complicit knowledge. Soccer is rigged.

    But NBA referees are pure as the driven snow.

  19. Memphis:

    The Warriors, in fact, lost another game at the perimeter. Allen, Bayless, and Daye (#!!!@#$) beat their season averages by about 25 points (Conley was down, however). And when the Warriors made defensive adjustments the second half with the subs, they did slow Memphis, but then they couldn’t score themselves.

    Which is the other reason they lost. They couldn’t put any offense on the floor, notably at 2 and 3 (and of course 5, with Bogut in and Landry out). Much as I like to see Curry shoot, I’d like to see him have games where he just runs the offense and maybe takes a dozen shots, Nash-style. He doesn’t have an offense to run, however, and once again, the game depended on Curry heroics. He came close this time.

    The Warriors aren’t just outmatched at center against teams like Memphis and Denver, but also at several other positions in terms of strength, speed, and height. One big guy, Bogut, won’t do much to offset that, offense or defense, unless he is athletic and dominating, which Bogut isn’t. A better two-way 2, who can really defend, ditto for 3, and a sizable 4 (but not a 7 footer) with speed and skill, players to sub in as the situation demands, would make all the difference in the world, both ends of the court.

    Which is where the money should have gone.

    • the money did go to functional two-way guards in the bodies of rush and jack. by next season bazemore will likely be a useful defensive sub. the sticking point will be the lux tax cost of re-signing jack — his ‘bird provision’ that allows the lacobites to pay him a higher max salary is moot if they don’t want the tax bill.

      • Jack, of course. If they don’t keep him, then what?

        I forgot about Rush—and am keeping my fingers crossed.

  20. More Memphis thoughts:

    Jerry West, of course, deserves all the respect in the world. And equally of course he deserves credit for turning Memphis around. But that doesn’t make him right, or right for the Warriors. I’m wondering how much influence he’s had on the Warriors, and whether it’s for the better.

    He wanted a big, powerful front court, but in Randolph and Gasol he also got two agile, skilled players who can play inside and out. We don’t have that (Lee just isn’t big enough), but are trying to approximate it, and maybe taking a bad compromise? I assume he influenced the large contracts both Randolph and Gasol have.

    He was also behind the trade of Gay for Battier, Gay on whom he was high, and I assume supported Gay’s huge contract, which made the cap unmanageable and which now they have just dumped.

    I wonder what kind of future Memphis has now. They have fallen below expectations and are stuck with a bloated salary structure.

    Maybe if West got everything he wanted he could have turned the Warriors around. But players like Gasol and Randolph haven’t been available, and he still didn’t have the players he might have wanted. Also managing salary has become a greater influence, and a mandate from above.

    I’m wondering if our plan is flawed, but am out of my league here. Can better minds pick this up?

    • Not assuming you’re referring to me, but it’s on my to-do list. In due time.

      I don’t find much to disagree with in your analyis, though.

      • I didn’t make an analysis and am hoping you pick this up. Someone has to take a clear headed look at what the plan is.

        Two suspicions:

        I’m not convinced that a healthy Bogut was a top priority, or that he makes that much difference.

        The team is not structured to develop now or in the future.

    • Hat is Destiny

      rgg, here’s a pretty detailed analysis of the Memphis trade. In short:

      “Bottom line for the Grizz: They’ll probably get a little bit worse this season, but even if they do, they’ve saved a bunch of money while inflicting a small wound on a team that was very unlikely to go through something like a Spurs-Thunder-Heat gauntlet in the playoffs. They had to dump a high-priced player. Their payroll structure was untenable, and out of Gay, Randolph, and Gasol, Gay is the right choice.”

      http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/49386/did-anyone-win-the-rudy-gay-trade

      I don’t agree that Prince is really much downgrade from Gay. Prince will mesh with the Memphis offense better and play better D. But otherwise, it’s a pretty good article.

      Re the Ws future, if Bogut continues to heal and/or learn to accommodate his new ankle, he’ll return to being a pretty talented C, an asset as trade bait even if it turns out he’s not a good fit for the Ws. Landry is on a 2 year contract, no problem. Jefferson is still a pretty good player. Jack is on a one year contract, but even though keeping him would likely push the Ws over the salary cap, the cap is not written in stone.

      It’s hard to imagine the Ws reaching deeply into the penalty tax zone only because we’ve never seen them do that. But they can. The Bay Area is hardly a small market, and Lacob & Co. have barely begun to mine it. Count how many times you’ve seen the “Good night Oakland” and “ya gotta rehearse” commercials. That’s how many ad spots the Ws broadcasts DIDN’T sell. If they continue/return to their winning ways that ad time will generate revenue instead. The salary-cap-penalty-magnified costs of retaining Jack could easily be covered by improved TV ad revenue alone.

      But only if the team is a winner. Enter Jarrett Jack.

      Note also that the Ws don’t need an annual operating profit to turn an obscene profit overall. They’re looking at a payback of <billions. $10M is only 1% of a billion. It’s a non-trivial amount, of course, but in the context of Lacob’s overall planned-for ROI it’s not even a rounding error. They’re going to “misplace” far more than that in building their new arena.

      So don’t worry about the Ws future. For that new arena Lacob & Co. need a winner. They’ll spend whatever it takes, and nothing they could possibly spend on player salaries amounts to a spit in the ocean. Whatever it takes, it’s not a problem.

      • Mad Hatter (I’m surprised you haven’t tried this one yet)—

        If Memphis gets better, it will be because they unloaded Gay and his unwieldy contract, as Feltbot discussed a few posts ago.

        But Lacob has made the same mistake, banking the future of the team on a single player with a huge contract (add Jefferson), his “transcendent” trade, which bloated the salary structure. Such a move may always be a mistake. Never gamble on one player unless you are prepared to absorb fully total loss.

        And by stalling in the development of the club, he put himself in this position. Also he wanted to attract attention and increase his prestige in the NBA, and do so quickly, especially after the embarrassments of the last two seasons.

        It was too steep a gamble, regardless of Bogut’s health. There are so many minor moves—and affordable gambles—he might have made along the way that would have made the team better now and in the future, good players with some size and speed and skill and especially experience to complement the core they now have.

        Bogut might be useful in certain situations, against certain teams, but that’s about it. I don’t see his having much effect against more athletic teams like OKC or Denver, or on well balanced physical teams like Chicago, or against the super studs in Miami. Not the way the game is played now. If the team builds the offense around Bogut, I see them getting worse. If he were taken to go up against the top centers of top teams, well, who? Howard? Bynum? There aren’t that many dominant centers anymore.

        Then, of course, there’s his health.

        Even if they keep Jack, I don’t see the team as being much better next year, not unless Barnes and Green and Bazemore show phenomenal development in the next year. I kind of like Jefferson, actually, but it doesn’t look like we’ll see more from him than what we’ve already seen.

        The real fear is that Lacob might then try to make another mega “transcendent” deal (I suspect it makes him feel important)—trading who? Incidentally, I think I read the FO was divided on the Gay offer, with some in favor (Barnes+Jack+Jefferson or Biedrins?).

        But what do I know? I’m the March Hare.

      • agreed, a lux tax bill might be tougher for the lacobites to swallow than it is in NY, LA, or Mia, but easier for them to sustain than for many other teams including the three that just beat them.

        the bogut acquisition should probably be put in context with the bidness where lacob accumulated his hoard — acquiring assets he considered priced below value and tweaking them while riding market changes. he understands that acquisition entails risks. what if they were experiencing a drop in ellis’ market value in trade discussions ? this season, he’d be taking up nearly one-sixth of the cap. they’d already been rebuffed trying to pick up a second rate center, jordan. getting bogut while his value as an upper tier starting center was at rock bottom came with the obvious risk that his damage was too severe to regain his former capacity. the length of his contract though wasn’t any longer than ellis’, so liability would be limited.

        we don’t know if they were looking at bogut as a 10-1 long shot to become a top five center again, or more like 5-2 that he’d be reasonably functional but not stellar. either way they were comfortable with their wager. they only needed a plan to reestablish credibility on the court to energize marketing and sponsorships, with three big contracts expiring at the end of next season.

    • what you missed in West’s Mem resume is the year he resigned from their front office, 2007. yes, he traded battier for gay’s draft rights. but the gasol for gasol trade that the hoi polloi pointed at him when they assumed the elder brother was the far better player, occurred in early 2008, and m.gasol’s first contract with Mem was signed that summer.

      the trade that brought in randolph came years after West’s departure, and the big contract extensions given to randolph, gasol, gay all came after the logo sold his services to lacob for minority ownership in the team. are you saying that he made personnel decisions for Mem while a part owner of GS ?

      • moto—

        No, and I was lazy and waiting for you to correct me. You know more here and elsewhere. In defense of West, the real problems may have been with the Memphis FO—he said as much. Nor do we know how much his advice is followed by Lacob et al. or how much influence he has on offers. And probably never will.

      • But I am curious. What exactly is West telling the Warriors? Is the advice good?

        • considering West’s age, and history of feeling burned or marginalized by ownerships in two cities where he built winners, he might be more of a mascot and credible p.r. figurehead than anything else. by most accounts he still obsessively watches a huge volume of contests and forms opinions on players, and those opinions are undoubtedly respected. not likely at all though he’d expect his opinions to be the main impetus of policy.

          as mentioned before the first rounders thompson and barnes were low risk at their respective draft slots, by most scouting accounts, relative to more dynamic players like faried or drummond. west’s quasi-sponsorship of thompson aligned neatly with the brain trust’s predisposition, especially if they were looking at a plan to deal ellis. he sounded very neutral over barnes.

  21. The warriors are a good team of misfits.Keep in mind that Rush returns next year.So over the smear the warriors should consider over the summer trading both Barnes and Bogut,and find a way to resign Jack.
    The warriors due need to need to upgrade the front court now via a trade.. That’s not likely.

    Jackson playing Barnes over Landry in the crucial fourth quarter against Memphis may well have cost is the game.

  22. @ 23 rgg,

    “…Lacob has made the same mistake, banking the future of the team on a single player with a huge contract… which bloated the salary structure.”

    Teams are not required stay below the salary cap. Many teams surpass the salary cap, because team salaries and cap penalties are trivial in the context of the overall investment and potential payback in an NBA franchise. Here’s an example of that context:

    http://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2013/01/21/sacramento-kings-sold-for-525-million/

    When Lacob & co. are looking for a return on their investment of several $billion, a few $mill. in salary and penalties is insignificant. As long as the owner can cover the negative cash flow, no problem. Lacob has access to as much money as he could need. No problem.

    The Ws can pay whatever they have to, in order to have an appealing team. And they need an appealing team to get SF voter approval for their wonderful new arena (estimated value between $700mm and $1 billion).

    Your concern about Lacob’s wallet is touching, but it is misplaced.

    • Lacobs real focus

      +++ Big Top, this is about the stadium… And Joey has been lucky this year, but the chips are coming home with AB.

    • BT:

      1. Lacob himself has kept the purse strings tight and has repeatedly refused to go over the cap, even in minor ways that might have helped the team the past three years. And he’s repeatedly stated he doesn’t want to go over, though did so (or will do so?) this season, largely because circumstances (most notably his bad trade) pushed him.

      2. This is an appealing team? He kept Biedrins because he was a big draw instead of amnestying him? Bogut is a marquee draw? Tanking last year was a Colosseum spectacle? But what do I know? I don’t have season tickets, thus am not a true fan.

      3. But I don’t disagree with you about Lacob’s seeing basketball in terms of marketing and investment. What scares me is that he believes this way of thinking is sound strategy and will produce a winning team. Remember, this is the guy who pointed at the lonely championship banner his first appearance at Oracle.

      • And it doesn’t look like he’ll make any moves now that will put the team over the cap further, when they really need the help.

  23. Anybody else have trouble pulling away from the Denver game to watch our game with Dallas? (And the Denver game was a game to watch!)

    But I don’t fault our guys at all. They’ve performed well beyond expectations, and it’s time to get behind them.

    The main difference between Denver and the Warriors is not the players but the organization, and Denver’s is vastly superior.

    And we’ll staring at their rear bumper the next four years.

    • the fan exuberance while the team won was amusing, even trash talk about overtaking LA-C when paul was injured, but they were never more than a game or two above .500 vs. the western teams, and now they’re 15-16. the three top teams (paul’s return came in a road win vs. NY, who has nearly the same record as Den) dominate in their conference, Mem in fourth is 17-13.

      the remaining schedule, though home-predominant in the final month, is heavily weighted toward western teams. they’ll struggle to win more than half of the games left, and could slip downward a spot or two.

  24. And yes, why is Biedrins starting over Biedrins?

  25. Cat in the Hat

    @ 25, rgg,

    1. What businessperson wants to spend money? In his first 2 seasons Lacob thought to keep fan interest/ticket sales high by pointing to the rafters and blathering. That strategy ended when he got booed off the floor last year. Total player salaries jumped shortly afterward.

    2. Larry Riley took the hit for not amnestying Biedrins. In one of his last interviews as GM, he said “I couldn’t recommend to my owner writing off $27 million.” Larry Riley became Lacob’s former GM shortly afterward. That’s as honest an admission of a screwup as you’ll get from Warriors management over the Biedrins amnesty fiasco.

    I seem to remember that Bogut was touted as a marquee draw, a transformational player who would be available ASAP. That line was supposed to help fans accept the trade and tank job, and raise hope for this season. And from tanking we got that other amazingly fantastic player/savior too, Harrison Barnes.

    In reality, neither player could have been expected to be a major factor, and neither has been. The Warriors are better this year primarily because they spent the money on two solid veteran free agents. Plus, they completed the coaching staff, which has delivered more and better than last year’s staff.

    Lacob & co. aren’t through dishing hype, but it seems to me that they no longer see it as a 100% substitute for flooring a competitive team. I’d like to keep it that way. Letting Lacob plead poverty now (oo, the salary cap! Ow!) is letting him make excuses. If he wants to deliver a winning team he needs to suck it up and spend what it takes, nothing less. The salary cap is an artifice imposed by owners to provide cover for offering a cheap product. Ask Lebron James:

    http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nba-ball-dont-lie/lebron-james-reports-525m-kings-sale-seattle-group-165506303–nba.html

    • You know the world is screwed up when the Maloof bros. come out on top.

      One reason Lacob wants the new SF arena is that he believes it will attract top players (or superstars?—not the same). This is guy who went after Melo, Howard, and Paul. Maybe he’s saving his bucks until the arena is completed so he has a greater chance of landing them? This is also the guy who hired an agent to be GM, who had zip experience on the floor, because he thought Meyers would attract same.

      Maybe he’s more sophisticated than I give him credit for, but I suspect he really believes this is a winning formula. It’s scary when you can’t separate hype and market value from reality.

      To which I can only comment:

      • Lacobs real focus

        Lacob never seriously pursued anyone (unless you count DeAndre Jordon). Your paid off Bay Area media reported it like the paid Lacob Stenographers they are. Lacob wanted to create an appearance of ‘hanging with the Lakers’. Ask your self if Melo, Howard, and Paul, or any of their agents ever bothered to come to Oakland (or SF!) to negotiate with the Lacobites. No that was pure BS, and if anyone believes it, look forward to Myers et al, raving about Howard, or Lebron James in 2014. Yeah right.

        Once Lacob gets the SF flower children tax payers to fund the stadium on their own land, the value of the team shoots up regardless of their personnel and the record. The owners have a completely difference perspective than us fans. Its the money Lebowski!

  26. “One reason Lacob wants the new SF arena is that he believes it will attract top players (or superstars?—not the same).”

    Actually, I think that’s exactly backwards. I think he wanted name players to get the new arena. Lacob may or may not be a fan, but that’s not why he’s the one fronting the ownership group.

    Great vid, BTW. Even Kansas isn’t Dorothy’s Kansas anymore.

    • Lacob’s investment group could have put their money anywhere, but there are very few opportunities as lucrative as an NBA franchise. Some more context here:

      One of the wonderful benefits Lacob’s investment fund receives from their Warriors purchase is an annual depreciation of 1/15th of the team purchase price, for 15 years. At the Warriors sale price, that’s a $30mm annual write-off. It counts against any investments made under the Warriors ownership umbrella, and it’s a use-it-or-lose-it kinda deal. They use it, of course. At a capital gains rate of 20%, $30mm would zero out the taxes on $150mm of investment income.

      Jarrett Jack is going to be “expensive” next year? Cry me a river.

    • Well, we got new Jerseys (Yahoo blog). That should attract some superstars.

      But I swear, you don’t mess with shooters. These guys have been playing sleeveless all their lives.

    • Lacobs real focus

      Lacob wants the SF stadium:

      1) The costs are heavily subsidized by the public and taxpayers. He buys the Warriors from a guy who is assuming they stay in Oakland, the franchise value goes up with a brand new stadium.
      2) He will run events at the new stadium outside of basketball, generating more revenue.
      3) Other real estate (for example, restaurants, bars etc.) surrounding the site.
      4) Higher revenue from higher ticket and media prices.

      This deal is similar in nature to the New Jersey Nets made when they moved to Brooklyn.

      If you live in San Francisco, prepare to be fleeced!
      In Oakland, prepare to lose your team, after all, you are “the greatest fans in the N.B.A.!”

      • unfortunately, if the team keeps winning the best we can hope for with a new area project would be lacob forced to develop a dry land site and pay something at least close to market value for the real estate and cost of supporting resources.

      • Just wish they would redevelop that Oakland area, they need the economic redevelopment for than the City.

        • when the lacobites took over the team they had a huge opportunity to step up and at least acknowledge how much the team appreciates its home town. nada. the players at least have shown much more supporting local programs. the n.f.l. team signed over ten per cent of every season ticket sale to the public schools. lacob didn’t leave any doubt where his $$ compass pointed ; SF is a world leisure/bidness traveller destination, and those are the customers with whom lacob plans to replace the regular joes and josies.

  27. I’m hoping for a trade. Bring in a two-way playes – say a true PG or a SG or a PF. Another defender.

    I liked last year’s #2 defensive-minded squad of the W’s. Three near elite defenders, 1 very good defender, and a score first point guard.

    PG Robinson
    SG Rush
    SF Jefferson
    PF McGuire
    C Udoh

  28. Will the Warriors play pressure defense tonight and create steals? Something we haven’t seen for a long time.

    Will Barnes and Thompson continue not to follow up missed shots, nor go to the foul line for offensive rebounds?

    Will Bogut’s present state of health keep him from being unable to help on weakside defense? Will the Warriors ever outcsore their opponents with Bogut playing?

    Will Curry and Thompson continue to shoot poorly?

    Will the Warriors continue to give up fast break baskets off of careless ball-handling and passes?

    Will Landry be given more playing time on the court and shoot more than he recently has? The Warriors outscoring of their opponents by plus four, has dropped to minus .6 with Landry playing and shooting less often?

    Will the Warriors trade for a front-line player who can shoot the three, or a big who can defend inside?

    Will Jackson continue to deny the team is tired to hide what we all know- that he has overplayed players?

    If the Warriors fail to make the playoffs, how will fans react to the Warriors failing to improve the roster, the trade for Bogut, and the Warriors 2013 draft class?

  29. Harkless is garbage? He’s shooting 52 percent on two’s compared to Barnes 48 percent, I guess you think Barnes is also garbage, Harkless also makes more steals and blocks more shots than Barnes while being on the court less time. Both are playing quite well in their first year playing in the nba.

  30. Frank @31—

    I have to smile at those critics—and Jackson himself—who question the guys for their intensity and effort. The guys play their hearts out. Nor are they careless. Someone can make a more sophisticated analysis, but I suspect you’ll find that most problems occur because of four reasons.

    1. They haven’t yet learned a plan, on offense or defense. The whole team hasn’t played that long together.

    When one player throws a pass to a player who isn’t there, it’s because he was expecting a cut that didn’t happen. They weren’t on the same page. Or maybe a pass is forced down the middle or up the court. But I don’t mind these turnovers because it means they are pushing the tempo and will eventually get it right. Adjustments were made last night to cover the three somewhat, but obviously they hadn’t yet figured out the rest, especially Bogut—he hasn’t played with them much at all—and they got caught in missed rotations under the basket. How many backdoor plays last night? Four or five? Compared to how many for the whole season?

    2. They have a bad plan, or at least a bad plan for the players they have.

    Slow offenses lead to players not finding space for shots and often rushing them late in the clock. Curry, especially, under Smart, often got double-teamed and trapped, which led to turnovers. The defensive schemes were obviously a problem under Smart as well. Trying to mimic the tough, defensive minded physical teams will always leave them shorthanded and outmatched. Last night, Barnett was incredulous that they tried to run the offense so many times through Bogut on the high post.

    3. They don’t, in fact, have a coherent plan or strategic identity.

    This would take a while to explain and I’ll punt here. One concern I have, however, is that with Bogut the team is going to try to play big ‘n small, fast ‘n slow, but the schemes will be confused and not work out. And offense has to be co-ordinated with defense.

    4. They simply don’t have the personnel and are forced to come up with schemes that lead to compromises. The team, as a whole, is undermanned in terms of size, skill, and experience.

    We’ve seen this on defense: if they cover the paint, they give up threes. Trying to cover threes more last night left them vulnerable up front. Team rebounding on defense cuts down fast breaks. The reason many don’t follow up their shots for rebounds is that they are rushing back on defense. If they bring in the defensive players, the offense stutters. They don’t have many effective, physical drivers, who can drive without a play being set up for them that opens a lane, really only Jack and Lee, and Landry if he isn’t outmatched. With this squad, there will always be mismatches, offense and defense. The starting unit only has three effective scorers and facilitators. When they are covered, the offense falters. We saw this when Jack was out, and it’s no surprise Curry and Thompson shot better last night when he returned.

    And this one is not the fault of the players or the coaches, but the FO.

    Houston will do well against smaller teams like the Warriors. They have more scorers—7 in double figures last night—who are more versatile players. Good ball movement, good passing from same. The whole team was engaged and active in the offense. Parsons (38th pick!) not only scored 21 points, but also had 8 boards and 9 assists.

  31. The Warriors were playing well and had terrific offensive and defensive sets as they built a big winning margin. But, the offensive and defensive have now faltered.

    Their losing streak cannot be easily explained away. They do appear to tired team. They do need to run. They need to add to new players.

    Opponents appear to have adjusted to what the Warriors were doing on both sides of the ball, and the Warrior coaches and players have not countered. Even fans knew what plays were being called.

    Landry needs to be on the court more than Barnes.

    The loss of Jack for a few games, and the addition of Bogut, have also caused problems. Altering the starting line-up, and thrusting Bogut into the starting line-up was disruptive, and does not appear to have been a good idea. Bogut has his own limitations.

    Hopefully, the Warriors will make a trade, make their own adjustments after the break, and come back a refreshed team.

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