Warriors 98 Hornets 88 — Open Thread

Apologies for the extended absence, which unfortunately will extend to this weekend. I’m back from my peregrinations, but somehow failed to locate the broadcast of this game until the final minutes. What was that sport being shown on CSN? It was nearly as slow as watching Andrew Bogut walk up court.

Or trying to load the last thread. Thanks to all those continuing to participate in Warriors talk as I — like Duncan, Garnett, Lebron and Wade — rest up for the playoffs.

69 Responses to Warriors 98 Hornets 88 — Open Thread

  1. Credit to the team for winning a game they were supposed to win, and being able to do so without great shooting. Jack and Landry stepped in, but then again NO didn’t present them that much of a challenge.

    Lee obviously didn’t have problems with Davis, but just as obvious he played an exceptional game. We see what a rebounder is supposed to look like in his boxing out and movement on the floor.

    I’m not sure what’s gained by trying to get Barnes going first Q or how useful that will be in the playoffs.

    I also wonder what NO was doing. Were they trying to play a defensive game and put defensive players on the floor? But they’re a pretty good 3 point shooting team and I wonder why they didn’t exploit that more—and our defensive weakness. Anderson only took 8 shots. Spreading the floor would have opened up the court for the shooters and Gordon.

    • I forgot to praise Bogut. By judiciously not taking shots, he was able to let Barnes and the others get into the offense. And by maintaining a stationary position under the boards, he allowed Lee room to roam and gather all those boards.

      To be sure, the offense didn’t go to him much, but I wonder why. If they had, it would have helped the perimeter game. Sheesh. Can Bogut not take on Robin Lopez? And if Lopez had an outside shot, this would have been a closer game. The team would have fared better if Landry took his minutes.

      Sorry guys, but I don’t take transcendence lightly.

      • warriorsablaze

        We know you don’t. It’s evidenced in Every. Single. Post. Bogut had 9 boards, 2 blocks, and a steal in ~25 minutes. I’d say that’s pretty good. Transcendence doesn’t just mean focusing on Bogut in a vacuum… the whole team is different and are producing different results.

  2. Assist of the night. Watch Ezeli at 1:27, scrambling for the ball and finding Jack for the 3 with 2 seconds to go in the shot clock.

    • @rgg – Ezeli’s made that pass laying down on his back!!! What court vision to spot Jarret Jack at the top of the key!

      Larry Bird-like passing skills for the big Festus? LOL!

  3. When reading the box score in conjunction with the by play-by-play one can only reach the conclusion that that Bogut did not play a” good game.”

    Yes, Bogut should be given credit for getting some offensive rebounds, block shots, and a steal, but it should also be noted, that R. Lopez scored at will against Bogut. Bogut had a bad shooting night shooting 2-6 from the field. And while the Warriors outscored NO in the game, with Bogut on the court, they did not. This is especially poor given that NO shot a low field goal percentage, and is an indication his poor shooting actually hurt the Warriors.

    Nor, on neither of Bogut’s two block shots did the Warriors obtain the ball. His two offensive rebounds did not lead to him nor any other Warrior scoring points. His one steal was offset by a turnover.

    Simply, nothing to write home about.

    • Small ball W’s lineup played great against New Orleans at home. Just another step to the Western Conference playoffs!!!

      A “healthy” Bogut and Festus Ezeli will be needed for the playoffs. I like the option of a coach going big or small depending on matchups.

    • this is not the time to grade bogut harshly. he just needs to do enough of the detail work until the playoffs, which should reveal his true mettle. his contract year really starts this May, and what the lacobites decide to do with him a year from now will determine what the post-biedrins woeyrs will look like. if they can turn big profits playing it safe at the top layer of the mediocre, quasi-contenders, this nondescript, bland ‘woeyr brand of basketball’ might be extended for a while.

      • What we’re getting from Bogut now is about the best we’re going to get from him this season. There is no way he can “flip the switch” to a higher gear. He’s simply too brittle/injured/unconditioned to be an impact player scoring the basketball. At this point, the best he can give the W’s is some rebounding, a big body to set screens, and some nice high low passes. Any scoring is a bonus. If Bogut scores in double figures in the playoffs, I believe the Warriors will win those games. Getting him to double figures, now that’s difficult.

    • Speaking of Udoh…How does the #6 pick in the draft get only 9 minutes of pt & record all zeros in every statistical category?

      Did Bill Russell ever do that?

      What conclusions should we reach there??

  4. I assume we can look at last night’s game and the ones coming as tune-ups for the playoffs. NO certainly gave them plenty of opportunity to try things out. I thought we’d see more post play for Bogut. The scoring will be needed to have a chance later, as pb24 says.

    Then again, he won’t be facing Robin Lopez in the playoffs.

    I also wonder if we’re going to see the best units on the floor then. Bogut’s modest achievements last night could easily have been replaced by other players in more effective scoring units. We saw this the first half of the season with Landry.

    But the team seems committed to starting Bogut (and Barnes) regardless, and finishing with Bogut, regardless. I was hoping Landry would finish the game. If NO went on a scoring tear, as they’re capable of doing, we’d have needed our best offense.

    Also, when I see a dude strolling down the road buck nekkid and crowds on the sidewalks are marveling at his fancy attire, I gotta say it: the emperor isn’t wearing any clothes.

  5. I’m with moto to the extent that I think it’s too early to write a grade on Bogut. He’s obviously still a work in process, and still doesn’t have his leg(s).

    On the other hand, two points:

    Bogut seems to have good instincts. For a guy who can barely get off the ground, he defensed against an athletic center OK, and outrebounded him in far fewer minutes. He also got open a lot on offense, far more often than he got the ball. In other words, while he’s physically limited right now, he does know how to play and he made the best use of what he brought to the game. A savvy player.

    In what may a first for this pair, I think Bogut helped D Lee this game. Lee didn’t just eat Anthony Davis’ lunch, he also kissed his girlfriend, stole his car, pansted him, pinched his mom and unfriended him. And part of the reason he could do all that was because he had Bogut backing him up. Hopefully, that will be a continuing trend too.

    I don’t expect Bogut to be a factor in this year’s playoffs, but I am hopeful for next year.

  6. I forgot about this game, and it provides an interesting comparison:


    We beat NO without Bogut or Lee. Landry started and had 11 boards. Everyone played for NO. Ezeli started and had 13 points.

    I a curious about Biedrins. He started over Ezeli many games, now, not a peep.

  7. What we need from Bogut is for opposing teams to shoot 43 percent or less from the field with Bogut on the court. That’s not going to happen very often because he lacks the ability to provide weakside help. And that’s not going to happen now, in the playoffs, or even next year even if he’s healthy. Teams who know what they are doing are always going to score inside with Bogut on the court. Speaking about his offense and his defensive rebounding are just distractions. Hopefully, the Warriors will obtain a good center after his contract expires and consider offering his value that is around $5 million as a back-up.

  8. Oh, man. Lawson is out for Denver—indefinitely? And Gallinari went down tonight with what looks to be a bad knee injury. I was looking forward to watching these guys in the playoffs.

    Are injuries worse this year or is it just me?

  9. just when our boss feltbot is taking family leave, lauridsen gets giddy from the wins over weakened visitors and celebrates how much the team has improved since the last version that qualified for the playoffs. how stern wouldn’t fully approve of the nelson bunch and how much better it is to have a more conventionally composed and coached team. by his account, the second round loss to the more orthodox mormon-endorsed team was inevitable.

    what was actually inevitable of course, we’d get to watch and hear a new regime deleting or distorting the history of the previous one. at least lauridsen made it obvious he’s an independent blogger only superficially. let me again thank the feltmeister for keeping the supply of antidote refilled.

    • + 1 bazillion!

      Readers who think FB and some commenters here are “negative” should read some New York sports journalists sometime.

      Lauridsen is especially egregious in fawning over Warriors management, at the expense of legitimate basketball analysis. Kawakami used to be a reporter, but is now just a stenographer. Steinmetz is a Warrior/CSN employee.

      We’re fans, not children who need comforting little bedtime stories from Lauridsen. Basketball fans.

    • Thank you, moto.

      I have enjoyed the team’s success this season and am proud of the efforts of that handful of guys who played their hearts out.

      But somebody has to help us maintain a sense of reality. The reality is the Warriors have moved up somewhat in a vastly reconstituted Western Conference and remain 8 games behind the fifth spot. They will have trouble repeating this performance next season. Their future after that is wholly uncertain, as has been discussed here at length. They have only moved up in the middle of the pack, and the gulf between them and the next tier is large. Steps haven’t been taken to close that gap.

      While we’re talking about the old regime, the 2007-8 Warriors won 48 games, a number that probably won’t be reached this season, yet didn’t make the playoffs.

      • You do remember the Warriors had the seventh worst record in the league last year?

        Where could you possibly have thought the Warriors were going to finish this year to not think finishing 6-7 in the West wasn’t a MAJOR improvement?

        There’s being realistic…then there’s being contrary.

  10. I mentioned it earlier, but did anyone else notice D Lee’s defense against Anthony Davis? He really put the hurt on the kid. It was the absolute best I’ve ever seen Lee play D. Frankly, I didn’t even know he had it in him.

  11. A side note on fathers and the criticism of Bought and Barnes on this blog:

    Most of us, I suspect, are several years on the other side of 40, in fact a couple of decades. And most of us remember the message we got from our fathers: you ain’t nothing until you prove yourself.

    Nice dunk, kid, but what else do ya got?

    A rookie is a rookie is a bum until he proves otherwise. He has to earn his minutes on the floor and be grateful he gets them.

    If you earn 12 million bucks a season, you damn well better show us 12 million bucks worth of play. Sorry you’re hurt buddy, and get better. But quit stinking up the floor.

    Instead we have seen rookies whooshed into the starting lineup. Bogut has had palm leaves spread under his feet wherever he walks. Barnes has been seen flying around in a cape and yellow pajamas.

    This is not old fartism. It’s only by setting realistic expectations young players will have a chance to develop. Keeping them low means they don’t have to try to reach to fulfill abstract and exaggerated notions of themselves others have created to fill arena seats.

    And it’s only by being critical with our expectations that we can enjoy fine performances when we see them.

    • There’s some merit to what you are saying. But what do you think you are seeing that would indicate that the Warriors have too low an expectation for Barnes or Bogut?

      If Rush hadn’t gotten hurt, Barnes probably would have gotten far less time and less overall development to his game this year. None of us knows how Bogut feels from one day to the next, and I would contend that his “worth’ to the team is not strictly statistically derived. The stat hounds are always too quick to undervalue the intangibles that one synergistically adds to the other four.

      It’s not terribly difficult to believe that the intangibles (screen setting, knowledge of the game, passing ability, willingness to play through pain, intimidation of shooters down low, etc.) are worth at least the small net positive point differential the warriors have.

      • Livermore-

        I said the opposite, that expectations for Barnes and Bogut are too high, and probably artificially so, that this may not be good for them or the team.

        Barnes has been promoted as one piece of the future for the team. He was named starter before Rush went down. And he still starts. In reality, he’s an athletic player with two years of college experience, where he wasn’t phenomenal. These expectations may not be good for him. He may need time to develop and is not helped by all the attention he’s received.

        Bogut has been billed as a central piece of the club, in fact its savior. I don’t think he’s good enough to meet those expectations, and trying to meet them may frustrate him or push him to overextend himself—and get injured again.

        This pressure may have also rushed his return time. He may have needed more. We don’t know, and the organization and Bogut aren’t going to tell us.

      • with a healthy rush, barnes does get somewhat fewer minutes, but not far fewer ; the rookie was awarded the starting job over rush in the preseason, and everything we’ve seen indicates he’s getting special consideration from the coaches and front office. rush’s health would reduce minutes not just from barnes, but from thompson and jack and green as well. if rush does regain his former load in the rotation, until they resolve whether jack is returning, rush’s effect on everyone’s minutes can’t be projected, but barnes is not likely to see a reduced role either way next year.

  12. rgg, your concern seems to be centered on the psychology of the players concerned. To that I can only quote Don Nelson: “If they need motivation from their coach they won’t last long in this league.”

    rgg, I understand your concerns and think they’re valid. Still, the Warriors organization isn’t just a herd of deer in the headlights, frozen, just waiting to get clobbered by the near future. This season the team improved in several ways that will carry forward even more next year.

    First and foremost, the coaching improved significantly this year. With more time on the job the Warriors’ coaching staff should be even more effective next year.

    Secondly, while it’s obvious that Lacob is not a win-at-all-costs business manager (can’t call him an owner cuz he’s not), the Warriors’ business prospects and draft picture disincentivize (maybe that’s not a word, but it works) losing. Lacob needs fans and San Francisco voters to view the Warriors as winners. There’s no fooling all the people all the time. To achieve his business objectives, Lacob needs the team to win now. He can spend as much as necessary to achieve that objective, salary cap be damned.

    Re Bogut, no one seriously believed he could be “transformative” this year despite all the bullshit to that effect from the team PR department. It’s a medical miracle that Bogut is walking without a limp today. Despite his ankle problem he’s making a contribution already, while only partially recovered. If the trajectory of his recovery continues he could be HUGE next year. Even if his performance tops out somewhere short of the young uninjured Bogut, he’ll still be the best C the Ws have had in 20 years, and one of the best in the NBA. Good coaching could bring a (healthy) Bogut+Lee+Curry core to an NBA championship against even the superhuman smallball teams of today. Don Nelson could win it all with this core. That’s a sweet picture.

    Harrison Barnes has received lots of criticism from fans (including yours truly), but he’s a rookie. Barnes has demonstrated he won’t strive to the limits of his gifts, but that he will make enough effort to beat out his immediate competition. Next year he’ll have to beat out Rush, a fine player. It will make the Warriors a better team, no matter who wins that competition.

    • Bogut has to be a transformative center to justify his (and Jefferson’s) salary. Otherwise, the money could have been spent much better with greater effect, now and in the future.

      This summer and next season should be interesting with Lacob & Co. So far, the precedents of the last three seasons have not been promising.

    • Incidentally, Brandon Wright has had some nice games with Dallas. He might yet prove to be a serviceable backup F/C. And that may well be all that ever should have been expected of him.

      It would be an interesting discussion to think what Nelson would have done with Barnes, assuming he got drafted in the first place.

      • BWright is still far to thin to be a serviceable backup center. He’s basically a guy who can dunk and baby hook when he’s not being bullied in the post. Watch a Dallas game, he’s smarter than before bit limited because of his stature. Get a spread 4 instead.

  13. Bogut is not the best center the Warriors have had in 20 wears. He’s not even as good as Udoh was last year for the Warriors. The warriors with Bogut playing have not outscored their opponents anywhere near the margin then they did with Udoh. This is especially startling given the Warriors allegedly have a better team this year. The Bogut myth continues.

    • You convinced me that Ekpe Udoh was a nice shot-blocking defensive PF in pairing him with the offensive-talented David Lee at center.

      But Udoh’s NOT much of a Center. And Udoh doesn’t rebound much or score much or score at a reasonable percentage.

      Don’t think much of Andrew Bogut’s shooting percentage and offense?


      Don’t think much of Andrew Bogut’s rebounding?

      Udoh gets 3.5 rebounds every 18.6 minutes in the NBA!

      Udoh played a LARGE part of the season (last year) with a decent bench with the following VERY GOOD DEFENSIVE players – Ekpe Udoh, Brandon Rush, Dominic McGuire, and Nate Robinson – and then rookie Klay Thompson. I think you’re attributing all the credit to Udoh for his defensive contributions – and little to excellent 2nd team defenders. Keep in mind, this bench played against other teams benches so their plus minus was strong.


  14. Ellis fans only, from Brew Hoop, the Bucks blog:


    Actually, it’s interesting reading with a different take on analysis.

  15. Phoenix:

    That was too damn close. I like Dragic, though, and am kind of glad he had a good game.

    I do wonder about strategy 1st. quarter or what’s being accomplished, other than getting in a hole, and we’ve see this all season. They’re not going to be able to set up Barnes and Thompson with drives in the playoffs.

  16. Klay Thompson had a great offensive game – with some nice, aggressive drives to the hoop. Penetration and dish. Finished well at the rim. Klay even drew a couple of fouls (and an offensive foul which was more likely a blocking foul by Dragic). Canned 3 of 4 three-pointers.

  17. It was reported by Barnett that Curry and Klay – are the best 3-point shooting tandem (makes) in NBA history? And even had a better percentage than some of the other backcourts. Wow!

    Then Harrison canned his 3-pointer. 35% from three as a rookie – ain’t too shabby.

    That’s potentially the best young trio of perimeter shooters in the NBA.

  18. Harrison Barnes is a nice rookie player. For those who think poorly of Barnes game, I get it. But that’s just it. He’s a rookie – who’s started 75 games on a 6th seed (so far).

    With a statistical progression in his offensive numbers in the next 2-3 seasons – Barnes will be a nice player. I wouldn’t bet against him getting better as he’s known to put his work in.

    I’m more worried that Harrison’s defense doesn’t improve…

    But I had the same defensive concerns about Klay last season, and Klay’s doing great defensively this season!

    • PB, what your saying is the real truth about Barnes. You can’t make snap judgments about a guy’s career when he first enters the league. Barnes won’t be a superstar, bit the Warriors have at least one of those already.

      • My feeling is that years from now, Barnes’ll be the 7th or so best player in this draft – which is where he was picked… Lol! Drummond, Harkless? Great picks. Harrison – not a bust! Lol!

  19. I was surprised the Warriors chose Barnes instead of Drummond but he has a big upside- far better than #7 of this year. His outside and inside shooting both betray lack of confidence and huge promise. I think given his length and reach and will his defense does as well. With him improving next year as well as Klay, and with the right bench moves, the Warriors can certainly move toward the top four or five in the West.

  20. So Denver creams Houston tonight without Lawson or Gallinari. 26 assists from Iguodala and Miller. Points from everyone. If we see them in the playoffs, our centers won’t make a difference.

    • Den also outrebounds Hou without anyone individually snagging more than seven, three tied for team high incl. iguodala and randolph. missing gallinari could make a series vs. GS close, but either way the preacher and his bosses aren’t likely to change what they’re doing.

      • They can and have run with Denver. But they won’t.

      • Without Lawson, the W’s match up much better with Denver. Don’t forget Denver has to be able to stop this guy named Curry…and Lawson is the Denver guard who can do that best.

        • the opponents are quite aware that the woeyrs (like most teams) really don’t like transition defense, and the preacher’s shortened rotation gives fewer minutes to the defensive specialists. without lawson or gallinari the other night vs. Hou, the reserve point guard miller had 12 assists, iguodala had 14, the 20 yr. old rookie from France, fournier, had 5. miller and iguodala have both fared pretty well in their games against the lacobites this season. the coaching factor increases a bit in the post season ; cuban did o.k. when he replaced johnson with carlisle.

  21. No more worries about the W’s point guard depth. All solved. Scott Machado called-up! Lol! I think he was the Collegiate Assist Champ!

    Marcus Thompson ‏@gswscribe 47m

    Warriors call up Scott Machado from D-League. They’ve liked him since draft process. They’ll take a long look at him now

    • Machado has a strong affinity for open court, transition offense. have to see if he can defend the perimeter. the team will need to look at bargain talent between now and next fall, lacking draft picks and into the lux tax.

  22. Oooo-tah:

    Really, a fine game, playoff caliber, from Utah down the roster. I fear we got a preview of our playoffs, as the Warriors’ weaknesses were exposed:

    1. Outsized and/or outmanned by superior athleticism at almost every position. We see the effects on both ends of the court in various ways.

    And I really appreciated Landry’s play tonight. If he were a bit longer and a bit quicker, he’d be a great player. But if those things were true, we wouldn’t have been able to pick him up, as he would have been in great demand.

    2. No offensive help from the centers. Negligible inside play and no outside threat from either Bogut or Ezeli.

    3. Limited rebounding/defensive help from the centers. Bogut may show some skill down low, but he has no range. If the play, if the ball comes to him, he does something. He really is only an effective rebounder on those balls that come to him because of his size. He doesn’t get into position that well or move to get boards. Ezeli has great range and mobility but lacks craft and experience.

    Neither, of course, could stop Jefferson’s outside shot.

    4. No effective scorer or offensive facilitator at the 3, except, of course, when Thompson plays there in the three guard sets.

    And Thompson had a very fine game tonight. I don’t like seeing Barnes shoot the 3, whatever the mathematical odds. He’s just not a consistent shooter. Knocking down even one of his 3s would have helped first half and reduced the half-time lead.

    5. No capable shooters on the bench after Jack and Landry.

    6. Curry is playing too many minutes.

    And he especially looked tanked 2nd. half. His shots showed it.

    7. No uptempo facilitator after Curry, thus no backup to give him rest.

    I really respect Jack and he’s done a great job. But he can’t push the pace. Nor in half-court sets, especially against a team like Utah (or Denver), can he penetrate fast enough or strongly enough to open up the defense and kick the ball out or score himself. He’s dribbling the ball too much—but when Curry’s out, he doesn’t have another player to pass to, other than Lee.

    I don’t understand why they didn’t run the pick and roll with Lee and Curry more, even though Lee was well covered tonight.

    Nothing is gained by running the offense through Bogut up top. He’s not going to shoot, thus doesn’t have to be covered, so the defense can play tight elsewhere. If he sets a pick, he’s not fast enough to roll and drive.

    What did I miss?

    • And they really need someone to help push the tempo against teams like Utah or Denver. Curry is being asked to do too much—score and run the offense—and it’s taking a toll.

    • To finish a thought before our boss returns, the only way to beat sizable, athletic teams with two-way depth, like Utah and to a greater extent Denver and OKC, is to get into early offense so those players don’t get set and lock us down. And Jack can’t do this, and we lack other key players. On defense, you concede your points where you have to—Jefferson and Milsap tonight—and shut down the others.

      The Warriors aren’t built for size and defense. Centers just don’t make that much difference, unless they bring offense and quickness to the table. Ezeli would be a great center if he had some scoring and if he gained experience and settled down. Which I don’t think will happen.

      There just isn’t much to argue about with this squad. We can’t criticize Jackson much because he doesn’t have enough to work with. The other players we keep debating just aren’t good enough to make a difference, certainly not yet.

      • the mixed blessing of bogut was exposed again in this game, as it will be against teams that exploit his limitations on defense, vs. the pick and roll specifically. the preacher has to learn to assess very quickly whether bogut in certain matches is going to help or hinder the team, and demote him without hesitation when necessary. this game reversed about half way into the second quarter when bogut re-entered for landry, and the woeyrs could not erase the gap thereafter.

        • Jackson obviously wanted to go all out to win this game to clinch a playoff spot before the home crowd. He may have been anticipating at least three likely losses the next weeks. So he went with the players who have most helped the team and pushed their minutes, a mistake most likely, but maybe he was playing the odds.

          I’m not convinced he could have made better decisions, which is not to say he made the right decisions or that he is a good coach, but that we just can’t tell. Jackson doesn’t have enough to work with, and this isn’t his fault.

          Looks like Mad Men won out last night and we’ll have to wait a little longer. I wonder if some comparison can be made between that and the game, but I didn’t watch MM. It got too ingrown and self-absorbed in itself and the characters, same for the actors.

          Maybe there is a comparison.

    • Only a good, not great, performance from Rush this season would have helped at 1, 4, and 5, maybe even 6 and 7. A replacement for him when he went out would have done the same.

  23. Utah recap in the works…

    Though not sure rgg left much for me to do :>

  24. It was interesting that Jackson selected Green over Bogut, Landry, Biedrins and Ezeli at the end of the game, to box out and defend against Jefferson. It seemed like a last desperate attempt to find anyone on the Warriors who could put a body on the guy and disrupt his game. Despite the size difference, Green actually managed it, too.

    It’s unfortunate that as only a “defensive specialist” Green can’t look like more than 1/2 a player to Jackson. Add just a dash of offense to his anyone/anytime D and maybe Green would never leave the game.

    Felty, I only fire up the TV for basketball and bike racing (Paris-Roubaix! Cobblestone goat paths at 35mph on skinny wheels! Thrills and spills! Crushed equipment! Crushed bodies and spirits! Mud and guts and brute power! The original Mad Max movie played out on skinny tires! Fabian Cancellara! Holy Fucking Wow!)

    So I don’t know (or give a shit) about that Throne thingie. WTF? Do they even play basketball? I haven’t heard that bicycles were invented in that mythical land either. What’s up?

    • Crap, Hat. I already spend too much time watching basketball. Now I might have to start watching bike racing as well. Ah, well. Family and the future of civilization may have to take a back seat further back.

      • Yes, rgg, exactly. The Beelzebub component within The Hat’s complex semi-human stew spreads its twisted priorities thusly.


        Who said that?

  25. PeteyBrian:

    This was the second straight game the Warrior opponents shot a high FG% with Bogut playing. And although he had one block shot, Utah got the ball back.And even though he had two offensive rebounds, he missed one of the shots off the rebound, and the Warriors didn’t score off the other OR. He shot 1-3. And he had three turnovers, thus costing the Warriors three possessions. This occurs far to often.

    Udoh’s blocked shots were mostly retrieved by the Warriors and led to fast breaks. The Warriors often scored off his offensive rebounds. He gave the Warriors extra possessions, not less. Extra possessions result in points. Less possessions result in less points.

    The Warriors started to win when Udoh was placed in the starting line-up and rose to the top of the NBA in defense when he did start. The Warriors will never approach that with Bogut. And they far outscored their opponents with Udoh on the court So,you make a bad mistake comparing FG% and defensive rebounds, when Udoh took few shots, and was involved in each game in far more defensive plays than Bogut. Udoh is a far better player and because he is quicker and protected D. Lee on defense. Bogut doesn’t. Udoh rated second most efficient player in the NBA last year behind L. James who was number one. Bogut doesn’t. Awful trade. We lost on both ends.

    The Bogut myth continues. Maybe we should call it Bogutinsanity.

    • Udoh benefited greatly from a great 2nd unit with the W’s.

      Your sample size regarding Udoh’s impact in the starting lineup with the W’s is EXTREMELY small…

      Offensive rebounds? Udoh hardly got any rebounds, which is why I was fine with the trade.

      The fallout from that trade is that the W’s received Festus Ezeli and enabled the W’s to get #7 which turned out in reality to be Harrison Barnes. Two nice starting rookies on a western conf. playoff team.

      Monta Ellis? Teams seem to do worse with him running the offense. Ball-dominating player which kills ball-movement.

  26. Something to do while we’re waiting for Feltbot’s post:

  27. Frank, I have a problem with that word “never.”

    You’re right, it’s becoming evident that the Ws won’t see any benefit from the Monta/Bogut trade this year. But waitl nexyer. Bogut is still recovering. He’s still in the process of learning what he can and can’t do with his post-surgical body, so he could learn to be more effective next year even if he never fully regains his earlier physical ability. And with more time he still might regain more of his earlier ability.

    Besides, a) Monta was probably forced to leave town for the good of Warriors Inc., and b) what is, is.

    Re (a) There’s not a lot of public evidence one way or another, but it does seem that Monta seriously screwed up and the team made the best deal it could at that point in time.

    Re (b) with the assets the Ws have right this minute, there are several fairly obvious ways for the team to improve next year. They could use a Monta replacement – not impossible. The team would be better if they got more from Barnes and Thompson, Ezeli and Green – not impossible. In fact, it’s likely they will all improve to some degree. Landry is great, but it’s likely that other free agents coming available this summer could deliver more.

    And, in the end, Lacob needs a winner to accomplish his business objectives. He requires a winner, he can’t merely hope for one. He’ll pay the freight or else.

    So don’t worry.

  28. rgg,

    Thanks for the video!


    Paris-Roubaix is nicknamed “The Hell of the North.” The race was first held in 1896. 117 years later, there is still nothing else in the world like Paris-Roubaix.

    The race is 260 kilometers long, over 160 miles. Ouch. Unlike the famous Tour de France, the course is mostly flat, so skinny-wimpy mountain climbers need not apply. Unlike Le Tour, it is a one-day race. You give your all, right-here-right-now, or you lose. There is no tomorrow, no “tactics,” no “saving it for tomorrow.” Do it or don’t right now. There’s something beautifully straightforward about that.

    Most of the course runs through windblown, pancake-flat Belgian farmland. Along the way, much of it is routed over ancient cobblestone roads, no longer used by autos because the surface pounds cars to crap.

    The cobblestone sections are lined with maniacal fans. This year two potential winners were knocked out of the race by fans who loved them a little too much, too closely.

    The race traditionally includes rain, which means riding in cold, through mud and over slippery rocks at insanely high speeds on skinny tires. For better or worse, global warming has delivered sunny skies (and blinding dust) for the last few editions of the race. Paris-Roubaix is still one of the more bizarrely dangerous and challenging sporting events in the history of the world.

    To win Paris-Roubaix, a rider must be lucky. He must stay upright and keep his bike intact. Then he must attack at the right moment. Then he must flat-out overpower every one of the other best cyclists in the world. It is that simple, and that difficult.

    Winning Paris-Roubaix is incontrovertible proof that one is the baddest bad-ass mutha on the planet. Guns, knives, or other weapons make you baaaad? Hah! Anyone can BUY that stuff! You can only EARN a win at Paris-Roubaix. And very, very few people in history have ever even had the capacity to earn it.

    Some of the very best athletes in history have dedicated their entire careers to winning Paris-Roubaix, and never won.

    Fabian Cancellara won Paris-Roubaix for the third time on Sunday, April 7, 2013.

    [youtube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvAdfqo43s0?feature=player_detailpage&w=640&h=360%5D

    • Hat,

      Thanks for the videos. Actually, my son and I did get interested in the Tour de France, back when I had basic cable—and no Warrior coverage. We watched on Versus. We took great interest in Floyd Landis. We liked him. We were also disillusioned later when we found out—