Warriors 94 Kings 81– Preseason

I managed to catch the Kings game at Oracle last night. Here are some of my impressions from the first two preseason games, beginning with the burning question of whether Harrison Barnes should start over Klay Thompson:  

The Barnes Supremacy:  I don’t suppose it’s fair to put the blame entirely on Barnes for his first two wretched pre-season performances. It appears he’s been playing through painful foot inflammation, and now will be shut down for a few days.

On the other hand, no matter how much Barnes was suffering, I think it’s fair to draw some conclusions from these performances, particularly for those who’ve forgotten how Barnes played at small forward during the regular season last year.

The first conclusion is this: Barnes blew up in the playoffs last season playing power forward, and being guarded by the worst defender on each team he was facing. It is completely unreasonable to expect him to be capable of duplicating those performances while back playing at small forward, and being guarded by small forwards.

The second conclusion is this: Playing Barnes at SF in the first unit doesn’t just hurt his performance, but the performance of the team as a whole. Do you remember what happened to the Warriors first unit last season when Bogut was returned to the lineup? The offense virtually collapsed, because neither Bogut nor Barnes needed to be guarded honestly. Curry got blitzed unmercifully and the rest of the defense packed the lane. Klay Thompson was the sole floor spreader.

And now Mark Jackson is toying with replacing Klay Thompson with Andre Iguodala, who shoots less than 40% from every single spot on the floor? It won’t work on the offensive end, even when Barnes is completely healthy. We’ve seen that already, in the disastrous first quarters of the first two games. This Warriors team has the ability to be absolutely unguardable if they get their lineups right. But any lineup including Bogut, Lee, Iggy and Barnes on the floor together makes it EASY to guard the Warriors. Blitz the hell out of Curry, and pack the lane. That’s it.

I’m hoping putting Barnes in the starting lineup was simply an experiment, done for political reasons, and now that Jackson has something to show the Warriors brass and Barnes’ agent, common sense will prevail.

I’m not so sure it will, though, given the way Klay Thompson is speaking in the media about competing for the Sixth Man of the Year.

And at the game last night, as I was discussing Barnes’ play with my friend, a guy eavesdropping in the row ahead of us turned around and solemly informed us that “Harrison Barnes is a future Hall of Famer.” That’s what we’re dealing with here. I suppose Joe Lacob’s PR department is to be congratulated. So long as it doesn’t wind up screwing the team.

Barnes: As a first order of business, I will note that I am dropping “The Brand” nickname that I bestowed on Barnes last season, because he has informed the press that he no longer wishes to go by his self-created nickname “The Black Falcon.” I take this as belated recognition on his part that he should place working on his basketball game ahead of building his brand. At least I’m going to give him credit for that.

And his game needs a whole lot of work. Let’s start with the defensive end. One reason to make a wing player a starter over a more talented player is if he’s a stopper. Coaches like to make starters out of their wing stoppers, because why waste their talents on second unit players? Put them in the first unit, and see if you can get the other team’s best player off to a confidence-destroying rocky start. Thabo Sefalosha and Tony Allen are obvious examples of this thinking.

But this thinking simply doesn’t apply in Barnes’ case. Not only is he not a stopper, but he is quite clearly in the bottom 50% of the league’s small forwards defensively. And that’s being kind. It’s increasingly obvious that he’s not even as good as Klay Thompson defensively. Defense is not just about athleticism, it’s about brains and anticipation. And it’s about WILL. For some reason, even though his vertical leap is nowhere close to Barnes’, Klay Thompson blocks twice as many shots. We saw a beautiful one last night. And unlike Barnes, Klay virtually never gets wrong-footed.

Barnes also needs a lot of work on his offensive game. In the Laker game, I heard Stu Lantz denigrate his poor footwork trying to post-up Steve Blake. That makes two savvy commentators I’ve heard tell us that Barnes lacks footwork fundamentals: the first was Jerry West. Barnes’ midrange game remains horribly inefficient — his misses in the last two games were not even close, and stand in stark contrast to Klay Thompson’s efficiency.

Other holes in Barnes’ game: Poor court vision, poor passing, wretched handle. He sees nothing but the basket when he puts the ball on the floor, and he gets stripped with ease. When his way to the basket is impeded, a turnover is the most likely outcome.

The thing is, many of these problems simply go away when Barnes is played at power forward. The multiple threats posed by Curry and the Warriors’s wings virtually guarantee that Barnes will be picked up by the opposing team’s worst defender. He can destroy opposing power forwards with his drive and floor-spreading. And his speed in the open court becomes a major factor.

Why in the world would the Warriors want to give him the bulk of his minutes at his worst position? He needs, and the Warriors need, for him to play at stretch-four.

And 6-7″ 225 lb. stretch-fours come off the bench.

Klay Thompson: I’ve spoken of the Warriors needing his shooting in the starting lineup. Here’s another reason to start him: I’m convinced that Thompson is an all-star in the making, perhaps as soon as this season. The growth in his game has been evident in the first two games. He’s much more willing to take the ball to the basket, and he’s finishing with dunks whenever possible. It’s clear that “Klayups” were a point of emphasis with him in the offseason. And his off-the-ball defense has improved, which will be important now that Iggy is here.

In fact, I think the presence of Iggy is going to make Klay a much better player. Removed of the responsibility of chasing point guards and much quicker players, I expect his legs to be a lot fresher, and his shooting percentage to soar.

There will be plenty of games this season, and particularly in the playoffs, when Klay should be on the court 40 minutes or more. You can’t get that bringing him off the bench.

The Sixth Man: The Warriors have a lot of question marks in their backcourt off the bench. There is no one remotely capable of running the offense like Jarrett Jack. It is perhaps in recognition of this that Jackson has been contemplating moving Klay into the sixth man role.

It’s not a natural fit. Klay is at his best off the ball. And the Warriors need him desperately in the starting lineup.

It appears to me that Toney Douglas is the Warriors most likely sixth man. Nedovich won’t be ready for some time. And Bazemore is NOT a point guard. His handle is not good enough. And he can’t make plays off the dribble.

Curry: He’s obviously spent a lot of time in the weight room. His baby face is almost completely gone. And his biceps are HUGE. Let’s hope it doesn’t affect his shooting.

I’m also a lot less enamored than the Warriors brass of the idea that this phenomenal basketball player needs to start throwing himself into the chests of the behemoths, ala Rose and Lin. How’d that work out for them?

Lee: I hope the haters got a good look at the man-to-man defense he put on DeMarcus Cousins in the second half last night. Lee is an extraordinarily underrated post-defender. He does his work early, and virtually never lets even much bigger men go through him.

Was that ability reflected in that wretched Goldsberry “study”?

It was not.

Iggy: His defense has been extraordinary in the first couple of games, and his impact will be extraordinary if and when Jackson gets the lineups right. Shooting aside, the perfect player for this team.

Jackson used Iggy to run the back-up point quite a bit in the Lakers game. But we didn’t see it all last night. Read into that what you will, I think he’ll get significant minutes at point guard this season.

It seems like the entire Warriors team is intent on setting him up for alley-oops. With Thompson and Curry drawing the best defenders, that will be quite a weapon.

And boy, does Oracle like it.

Bogut: It’s extraordinary how much weight he’s taken off. He looks absolutely ripped. Is this a contract year?

The Warriors have been talking about his improvement in the low post. It hasn’t been evident in the first two games, and I don’t place much stock in this. His jump hooks are nothing but prayers, that are likely to bounce several times on the rim before they get their answer. And his low post stats were wretched even pre-injury.

To paraphrase Mark Jackson himself: “Every time the Warriors post up [Bogut] they are doing the defense a favor.” For as long as he’s healthy, I’d like to see Bogut used offensively the way Biedrins was in his brief prime. Get him the ball on the move.

O’Neal: The Warriors haven’t used him much on the offensive end, preferring to get Speights going instead. But I am very impressed by how well he moves on the defensive end.

O’Neal is still a very valuable player.

Speights: Given how well he played last night, I’m going to put aside the “Spatula” nickname I cooked up for him. But Speights is clearly out of shape. His gut hangs over his shorts, and he’s wearing a towel around his neck during warmups, like a wrestler in the sauna late at night before a match, desperately trying to make weight. Unfortunately, I know a bit about that.

When he’s not struggling to change ends, Speights is a pretty decent ball player. He showed some active defense and rebounding last night, but on offense is where he’s really intriguing. He can really stretch the floor. Last night, he launched a top of the key three, while playing center. I hope Mark Jackson is serious about letting him shoot from behind the arc. He can hit it with regularity — and did, during warmups.

Douglas: Ran the team quite a bit last night, and did a decent job. Not looking for his own shot at all right now, but that should change in the regular season. Like Jarrett Jack, Douglas should be unleashed.

Great defensive player, created several steals.

Had a lot of problems finishing layups.

Dedmon: A much better player than Jeremy Tyler. He knows what’s up on the defensive end, and makes his presence felt. Good shotblocker and rebounder. Runs like the wind. Hits the 15 footer.

Unfortunately, he doesn’t have an NBA body. Gets pushed around when he catches the ball inside, and can’t keep his balance.

Mark Jackson says he’s an NBA player right now. I’m not sure. I don’t know too many NBA big men that skinny who have stuck in the league. I’m talking Carlos Rogers skinny. Remember him?

Bazemore: As mentioned above, not a point guard. I do like him at the two though. His shot looked much improved during warmups. And he drained a three in the game.

Douglas at point, Bazemore at the two could put some crazy pressure on second unit backcourts. A couple of Berzerkers. Looking forward to seeing that.

Seth Curry: Given that Mark Jackson is playing him off-the-ball, when playing him at all, I think it’s obvious Seth won’t make the roster. He’s too small to play professionally at any position other than point guard.

I forsee a long tough road ahead for him, working on developing his point guard skills in the D-league.

 

28 Responses to Warriors 94 Kings 81– Preseason

  1. We’re still left with the question when to play Barnes, how long, and with whom. He won’t be able to lead himself so will have to be played with savvy, capable players. But the starters will also have to be spelled. This puzzle hasn’t been solved.

    Kuzmic? It’s hard to see any future with him until he develops some heft, and I wonder if Demon might have a better chance, though it looks he has a long way to go and there’s cause for skepticism.

    Seth Curry:

    I’m a fan and hopes he gets a chance somewhere, and, as you say, it will only be at point. Here’s hoping he goes to Santa Cruz specifically to develop his PG skills. I’m guessing he might have potential here in the future, maybe more than the others. If not, nothing is lost. If he does develop, then hope no one else picks him up, but I’d like to see him get a chance somewhere. How would he compare with Ian Clark? Many similarities.

    Steph played 2 his first two years of college, and decided to stay at Davidson for another year, but that year he played point, and I suspect this was done to prepare him for the NBA. Seth played 2 all his years at Duke. Also the book on Steph, starting out, was that he would have limited value at 1 or 2 because of his size.

    Baron Davis said, during the brief Linsanity period at NY, that some players never get a chance to develop and play. Lin got a break. I hope Seth gets his.

  2. Was a second pre-season game I have ever watched. Can’t say I missed out on much. Just a lot of glitches due to various reasons. Difficult to watch.
    What I saw – Klay is becoming better and better(that block!). Getting even quicker with his decisions, and driving more with higher efficiency. Whatever way the warriors start – he won’t be sitting much. As to that – I have a strange feeling that warriors will play big a lot this season – those JON and Bogut (and other centers) minutes together shows me that Jackson is willing to experiment in the big ball setting. Obviously that will have to be hugely successful defensively to outmatch lesser offensive punch.
    Which makes me think that either Barnes finds his stroke and can play some with starters (because it’s obvious that Klay can play in most units), or he will have relatively limited amount of time on the floor. Just as you said – stretch four off the bench, and this most probably depends on other teams tactics and puts Barnes in a counter-punch situation rather than creative one. Will he be happy or willing?
    I’m not worried about Bogut’s offense, there will be some awkward post-ups, but mostly put backs and some rolls. His defense is good, especially in zone settings, I assume we’ll see a lot of it this year.
    Lee is fluid and quick as always.
    Curry worked on his ability to draw contact, not necessarily by going into teeth of bigger bodies, but by hesitation and letting some of the defenders jump on him. Is it very dangerous health wise? I’m not sure. But shooting more free throws certainly is a big plus, while he was 5-12 yesterday from the floor, his TS percentage was 70 percent. That is elite efficiency.
    Bench looked a bit crisper, especially Speights, shooting well and willing to defend. Douglas is pesky little dog, good for small 5 minutes bites before big dogs come and finish the job. Other boys are work in progress.

    Oh, and I love Iguodola: no comment.

  3. Totally agree that Barnes should not be in starting line-up.

    I think that Jackson wants to keep Thompson coming off the bench because the bench lacks fire power and is not starting Barnes to show management that Barnes should not be starting. Jackson does not operate that way.

    But such won’t work if the alternative is to start Barnes as seen by the last two games. I just hope that when Thompson is finally placed in the starting line-up he plays SG, not SF, and Iggy moves to SF. I agree that Barnes should play the back-up PF position as that will be the only place on the court that he will have the advantage offensively.

    If Jackson is going to keep Thompson off the bench, then C. Jones, should start. As the real problem for the Warriors is that they need a real back-up SG. Without a trade, C. Jones should be that guy and should start over Barnes. Loved him this past summer. Very consistent. Gets the job done. Unlike Bazemore, his basketball IQ is very high, can shoot, is big and can defend opposing SGs. Know the game and plays within himself. A real find. Hope the Warriors find way to keep him.

    I said that Bazemore would be the “x” factor. It’s clear now that after two years with the Warriors his game is too sloppy for him to succeed. It’s apparent he forces his drives into traffic. Improved shooting will not overcome his glaring weaknesses. It’s sad as he has immense physical talents.

    It would not to see O’Neal start as the Kings shot 55% from the floor with Bogut starting. But, with the touting of Bogut that is not going to happen. His offense should be limited to dunks, put backs, and seeing if he can score when moving as you suggest. The number of shots he takes should be limited.

    Speights looked much better last night. If he can hit the three at a decent rate the Warriors will rock as the lanes will be left open for others to drive. Maybe you were right Felty when you said he should be the Warriors back-up center.

    I think there’s a chance that Bogut will prove to be our third best center.

    Dedmon garnering 3 offensive rebounds was impressive and I agree his defense was good. Regardless of his being skinny, he can shoot better than Bogut as will likely hit over 50% of his shots as he did at USC. The Warriors need his quickness on both ides of the ball. I think he’ll prove to be a real gem.

    With the addition of Speights and hopefully Dedmon, and acknowledging his great play in the playoffs, the Warriors have very little need for Green, except for depth in an emergency.

  4. while the Warriors not shhooting well, all is mot lost as Lee, Barnes and Douglas havec all not hit there stridec so far, and O’Neal has not played much as he should when he returns.,

    ThecWarriors got to stop throwing Bogut in the starting lineup.
    Another game that indicates that Speights, O’Neal and Dedmon all better that Bogut on both sides of the ball. Opponent shot 50 percent from field. Won’t do that with o’Neal on court.

    The Warriors scored less than 24 points in less 7 quarters. Partially due to not running and thus driving player’s shooting percentages down. With the loss of Landry the Warriors have undergone long scoring draughts. Very predictable.

    It may well be that Nikovic the drafted PG, Dedmon, and either Seth Curry or Jones will have to contribute if Warriors are going to win. Bazemore, and Kuzmic have to be let go or traded.

    Felty, please stop with Thompson being an all-star. Even if he shoots more consistently, he’s not a player that provides thevye with extra possessions which all-stats do.

    Iggy should play point forward and nowhere else. His missing foul shots has been a career problem.

  5. That was a stinker yesterday, but probably expected on a back-to-back in a third game in preseason, just looked overall fatigued/not executing and half-walking. Or at least I tell that to myself, for it don’t confidence inspire.

  6. The past three preseason games exposes that Malone ran the offensive “X’s” and “O’s,” and his leaving has been a big loss fof the Warriors that has not been replaced. And is a further indication of a much larger problem-namely that Jackson is at best a motivator and not much of a coach.

    The Warriors need a decent back-up point guard who can penetrate and distribute. TD does not look like that guy and the front office should have known that from looking at his stats. Was his good year shooting for Sacramento an aberration? One can already draw the conclusion that losing Jack is a major setback.

    One can also see that Landry’s consistent and excellent shooting has not been replaced. Yes, he had a slightly minus rating last year but that was primarily because of his playing with minus players like Green, Ezeli, Biedrins, and Bazemore, who drove what would have been a positive into a negative.

    The Warriors can’t afford to play a starting line-up where one of it’s starters can’t shoot. Bogut can’t shoot and whose defense, at best, is just average. Last night, even most of offensive rebounds went for naught as he couldn’t put the ball back into the hoop. And such could be alleviated somewhat if shots were redistributed from Bogut ot Iggy, and he shot more. Even though not a good shooter, he’s much better than Bogut is.

    For me, the key to the center position was the acquisition of O’Neal. If his health is going to be a continuing problem than the Warriors are in a world of hurt as Speights, even with decent offensive stats does not seem to be helping the Warriors defensively as Utah outscored the Warriors with him on the court, which has been a consistent theme the last few years.

    With Bogut proving to be a bust the last two years and starting off dismally this year, and with Ezeli, at best. just being a serviceable center and out for a good part of the season, with Green not shooting well, the trade for Bogut was and is a dismal failure.

    For the Warriors to win, Curry, Thompson, Lee, and Iggy all have to have good nights or someone else has to step up. That’s not going to happen very much especially if the Warriors don’t run.

    I’m sure the front office are aghast as to what they are witnessing. If not, they should be.

    If the poor play continues the Warriors will need to do something. Clearly, Barnes has the most value and should be traded to upgrade the team. Green also has some value.

    This is a poorly constructed team and such has to be addressed as does it’s coaching staff. Upgrading the defense while the allowing the offense to falter is not a good recipe’ for success.

  7. I only saw the Utah box score. Why was Curry 4-14? He was 2-4 on threes.

    It’s probably too much to expect all the different lineups to come together, especially from the bench. Is Jackson pushing inside play from the bigs and guard penetration now to see what he’s got there so he can set up the shooters for the regular season? If not, I have concerns.

    Most of the acquisitions were geared towards size and defense. The guards were selected for their ability to penetrate. If this is the kind of team they’re trying to build, a lock down, physical team, they will fall short. There aren’t any reliable scorers on the bench, and it’s unlikely any will develop that way. Two starters are limited, unless Barnes surprises us. Offense is what got them in the playoffs last year.

  8. Guys, it was a meaningless road back-to-back during training camp, when everyone’s legs are exhausted.

    Take your finger off the trigger, and back away from the ledge.

    • the visitors nearly always lose in UT or Den when they’ve played the previous night in another state, and often shoot poorly or otherwise look inept while doing so.

      • Ian Clark only got 5 minutes and three shots for Utah. I’m curious to see what he can do and wonder if he’ll get a chance.

        • l.vegas has set an over/under on UT’s wins this season at 27.5 , but it’s much too soon to surmise how much they’ll be embracing the tank for a few additional lottery balls. marginal players getting substantial minutes can be one signal — jenkins’ work in the aftermath of the bogut trade even had some fans thinking he could be a valuable reserve. if clark shows he can get off and hit his distance shots and play under control, they’ll give him chances.

  9. warriorsablaze

    Everyone’s favorite David Lee hater creates a new metric that puts Curry as the 3rd best scorer in the league behind Lebron and Durant. Still hate him? :)

    http://www.grantland.com/story/_/id/9795591/kirk-goldsberry-introduces-new-way-understand-nba-best-scorers

    • curry’s composite stats last season in a couple of categories pushed him into elite company. when he averaged four rebounds per game combined with his points and assists for a season, his only company was h.o.f. players, and the best seasons of guys like james, wade, bryant. at his combined shooting averages in the three distinct categories (f.g., 3 pt. f.g., free throws) there was only one other in the assoc., durant.

    • Curry is the de facto 3rd best player in fantasy basketball this season, largely due to his scoring and shooting percentages, so what exactly does Dr. Goldsberry’s latest flawed “study” help us with? And it is flawed, the methodology is absurd. Does a player’s shooting % have anything to do with how well his coaches and teammates get him the ball? With how often his team fastbreaks? Don’t tell the doctor, you’ll melt his brain.

      Goldsberry is an academic hack with literally zero understanding of the game of basketball — (check out his Grantland “analysis” of David Lee to see more proof of this: he analyzed every single handpicked video so completely and utterly wrong, it’s laughable) — who’s apparently angling for an NBA job.

      Anyone who hires him should be shot.

      • Thank you, Feltbot.

        Goldsberry also doesn’t factor in individual physiques and talents. It’s a mistake to compare Durant and James with anybody. They are utter exceptions: tall, strong players who also have exceptional skills. No one else is in their class and odds are good we’ll see only a few similar players in a decade.

        For the same reason, it’s a mistake to compare Lee with true centers, who are taller and heavier and stronger. Those centers play limited roles and limited minutes, largely in the post. Lee plays all over, and of course will give up a bit everywhere, but his versatility and other contributions more than make up for the losses. He should only be compared to players in similar roles—but there aren’t many.

        His focus on the importance of the red zone both states an obvious point in unduly complex terms that at the same time is useless unless put in the context of individual players and strategy.

        I googled him, btw, and he’s getting a lot of attention all over the place.

      • warriorsablaze

        The article itself says the stat is limited. It’s literally impossible to include every single variable in any stat in the game of basketball… doesn’t make stats useless. They only provide some new ways to compare the mostly incomparable.

        Goldsberry is pop-culture analysis anyway… the real stuff is happening in team analytics departments, and they largely keep that to themselves as trade secrets.

  10. Bulking up:

    (Re WaB’s question, Barnes, and Feltbot’s comment about Curry’s training in his post)

    When Steph was a rookie waiting for training camp and during it, he hit the weights trying to muscle up, and his shooting was off the first weeks. Nelson told him to ease up on the weights and the shooting came back. Here I’ll listen to the scientists and statisticians, but I don’t know any studies. It’s hard to believe that bulking up doesn’t work against fine motor skills. At the very least, a player has to adjust gradually, over time, to make the adjustments, and it’s possible to get too much of a good thing. It’s why I question Barnes’s rapid gains over the summer.

  11. Moe Harkless left off where he did last year and continues to show he’s big time extra possession guy, As in Orlando’s first preseason game he had one OR, 2 steals, 3 block shots, and only one turnovers, that the opponent didn’t score off of.

    Orlando scored off of two of his blocks, both his steals and OR. Yes, he shot 3-9 from the field but some of his FG attempts was solely the result of his providing his team with extra possessions they would not have had. His weakness of shooting three’s and making foul shots last year were not apparent as he was 1-2 on three’s, and made all four of his foul shots.

    I’m not writing about Harkless to make the point that we should have drafted him over Barnes (we should have although some will argue we should have drafted Drummond),but rather to show the importance of having players who provide your team with extra possessions and additional points scored, and that such more than negates even a poor shooting night.

    Barnes could shoot the same percentage in any given game and provide the Warriors no extra possessions nor scores. The same goes for Thompson.

  12. Orlando’s PG Oladipo also also showing signs of being a big extra possession guy. Had four steals, one OR, and only two turnovers,Thus giving his team a net 3 additional possessions. He shot 4-9 from the field.

    • One thing you should perhaps consider Frank, is that scoring ability, high shooting % and passing ability in the end create exactly the same thing that extra possessions do: extra points.

      Man does not live by extra possessions alone. There are many different kinds of winning players.

    • Warriorsablaze

      Orlando lost the game.

  13. Brandon Rush didn’t play against us the other night for Utah. Anybody know the word on him? The box score says he’s in rehab.

    I’ve had it with Yahoo. Pages take forever to load and the new interface is clunky and hard to read. Also old stats apparently have been discarded. What’s the best site for scores, stats, etc.?

  14. Felty: your mixing apples and oranges. We start with extra scoring opportunity. A normal shot during one possession is not an extra scoring opportunity. An OR, steal, is.

    If you have a player who averages a net 3 or 4 scoring opportunities per game to one who gives you no extra scoring opportunities, you would want the former if he has anywhere near the shooting percentage as the player who gives his team no extra possessions. That’s why a K. Leonard is so mucho e valuable then a Clay Thompson

    • warriorsablaze

      Let’s break it down… team with the most points wins, yes?

      Your superstat ExtraPossessions = (OR+STL- TOs)…

      Kawhi = 1.7 EP
      Klay = -0,5 EP Bummer for Klay.

      Now the absolute BEST team in the league (Miami) averaged 1.1 Points Per Possession last season. So… if both Kawhi and Klay played for (or against to use Klay’s negative number) Miami, they would create an average of :

      Kawhi = 1.87 extra points per game for the Spurs
      Klay = 0.55 extra points per game for the opposite team.

      BUT, Klay averages 4.7 more ppg, so even though Kawhi creates more “extra possessions”, with your metric Kawhi creates 13.77 points per game with his scoring plus extra possessions for his team. Klay creates 16.05 points per game with his scoring plus extra possessions for the other team (because his EP was negative). If you take the actual Points Per Possession of the Spurs and Warriors respectively, Klay’s advantage in total points is even greater. Your giving your arbitrary super-stat far too much weight…. as Felty said, there are many ways to impact the game and the score.

  15. warriorblaze: K. Leonard is a much better shooter than K. Thompson as last season he shot an effective shooting percentage of 56 compared to K Thompson’s 51 percent. Efficiency is everything when comparing players. The fact that K. Thompson scored more points is due to his taking 14.7 shots per every 35.8 minutes he was on the court compared to K. Leonard averaging 31.9 minutes and taking only 9 shots per game.

    So, resting your case of Thompson scoring more points is completely facetious, as other Spurs players are taking shots that K. Leonard does not and score on some of those extra possessions.

    The fact remains that K. Leonard not only shoots a higher FG percentage than K. Thompson, but also garners 1.7 additional possession compered to K.Thompson providing his team with .5 less possessions during his stint on the court, and K. Leonard does it by garnering more steals and offensive rebounds, and less turnovers when he is on the court less than Thompson.

    Thank you for making up a metric for me that I never said. Your analysis is very faulty. Just stick to the fact that K. Leonard creates more possessions for his team, Thomspon less for the Warriors, and Leonard shoots a much higher effective FG percentage.

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