Warriors 116 Thunder 115: Jackson Blows Game, Iguodala Saves It

The Warriors played too well against the Thunder last night to get screwed by Mark Jackson’s decision-making down the stretch. And yet that’s nearly what happened.            

Don Nelson spent a career proving that conventionally big teams were no match in the fourth quarter against more talented smallball units. And his revolutionary vision is now common knowledge and the status quo among the elite in the NBA.

And the Warriors under Mark Jackson himself spent the better part of last season, and nearly two rounds of the playoffs, proving that there wasn’t a team in the NBA — not the Heat, not the Spurs — that could easily defeat their supernaturally talented smallball units.

You’d think that would have taught something to Mark Jackson — something the best teams in the league, like the Thunder, already know. But apparently not. Because Mark Jackson allowed the Thunder — who correctly played small the entire fourth quarter of last night’s game (as they do every game) — to do to the Warriors what the Warriors did to the rest of the league last season.

It is an act of extreme foolishness to match up with a big, immobile, non-scoring center and a conventional power forward against a more talented smallball team. The act of an NBA novice.

So while I’m extremely glad that Andre Iguodala managed to pull Jackson’s fat out of the fire last night, I don’t take a lot of satisfaction out of this win. As I expected, the Warriors gave me ample indication that they have a better team than the Thunder this season….

But I’m increasingly afraid that they don’t have the best coach.

The ingenious Mark Jackson of last year has disappeared. Replaced by a Mark Jackson who apparently wants to relive the horribly inefficient post-up basketball of his playing heyday.

Back in the last century.

The Fourth Quarter:

After four productive (+5) minutes matching up small to open the quarter, Jackson made the disastrous decision to match up big against the smallball Thunder frontline of Ibaka and Durant with 8 minutes left. And thereby all but gave the game away. Lee joined JON to produce a -3, and then Bogut replaced JON for an immediate -8. A total of -11 in 5 minutes, before Jackson attempted to reverse the damage by removing first Lee, and then Bogut.

This is not rocket science: Big non-scoring centers alongside conventional fours can not match up against the Thunder’s small lineup. On defense, can Lee guard Durant? Can Bogut/JON guard the stretch-five Ibaka? Can they run with them? Match up with them in transition?

Score against their quickness and shotblocking and tenacity?

And Bogut and Lee are even at a huge disadvantage on the boards, as was reflected in the box score. The Thunder pull Lee all the way out of the lane when the Warriors attempt to play man. And Bogut is far too slow to box out Ibaka, just as he was far too slow to box out DeAndre Jordan.

The Warriors attempted to deal with Bogut’s difficulty matching up to smallball by playing a 3-2 or 1-2-2 zone for much of the night. That helps with the defense, but has the effect of making it even harder for Bogut and Lee to find a man to box out on the boards.

Bottom line, the Thunder managed to render the Warriors’ frontline completely ineffective on the defensive end. Is that 115 points I see for the Thunder in the box score? 51% shooting? 28 free throws?

Are defensive results like that the reason why it’s so important to play a non-scoring center?

This may seem paradoxical to most, but against excellent smallball teams like the Thunder, a frontline of Lee at center and Draymond Green is better defensively than a conventional frontline featuring Bogut. Why? First of all because it allows the Warriors to play man to man defense. Lee can guard Ibaka. Green can guard anyone, including Durant, as we saw last night.

Second, because it allows the Warriors to guard the pick and roll. The lumbering Bogut cannot leave the lane. Lee is excellent at coming out to hedge the pick and roll — even as far away as the three point line — and recovering to his man in the lane.

Third, because it allows the Warriors to run with the Thunder. To get back, and match up in transition.

Fourth, because the Thunder have no post-up players to punish the Warriors smallball lineup.

And fifth, because as paradoxical as this may sound, smallball makes the Warriors a better rebounding team against the Thunder as well. Because the quickness of Green is far more effective than the size of Bogut in tracking down rebounds, when the floor is completely spread. And because Lee never has to leave Ibaka, and is quick enough to keep him on his back.

As for the offensive end of the court — well, we have ample proof of how devastating, how virtually unguardable this Warriors smallball unit is. Would the Warriors have been limited to a miserable 21 points in the fourth quarter, if Coach Jackson had gotten the right team on the floor, and let them play the style of basketball that they were made for?

Sometimes the best defense is a good offense.

That was never more true than last night. And if the Warriors ever want to beat the Thunder again, then Mark Jackson had better realize it.

The Post-Ups: Something else that Mark Jackson did to give the game away in the fourth quarter was to continually force the ball inside for David Lee post-ups.

Hasn’t Bob Fitzgerald been making all sorts of noise lately about how “analytics-driven” the new Warriors are? Aren’t Joe and Kirk Lacob avid and ostentatious attendees of the MIT Sloan conference every year?

Well, while the Thunder were busy attacking the Warriors with threes and layups — as modern basketball theory (I call it Nellieball) dictates — Mark Jackson was busy pursuing the least efficient form of offense that there is: low post offense.

I love David Lee, everyone knows that. And he’s one of the best low-post power forwards in basketball, when it comes to it. Particularly when guarded by bigger and slower players.

But not against Ibaka and Durant. Come on. Those are two of the handful of guys in the league that are both longer and quicker than Lee. This is a matchup you want to attack?

And particularly when the Warriors have so many better options on offense. Is this not the best passing team in the NBA? Just take a look at the (two) pick and roll plays they ran with Lee in the fourth quarter. Both resulted in great shots.

Look at the shots that Curry and Klay got in the offense last night. Where was that in the fourth quarter?

I’m guessing (hoping) that Mark Jackson became obsessed with attacking Kevin Durant, who had five fouls, and tried to foul him out of the game.

Huge mistake. Durant is too talented and too smart a player. And how many refs in the league are willing to blow that final whistle on the face of the NBA?

That whistle would be the Horn of Doom for their career.

Iggy: Hero of the game.

No, not for that ridiculous last second shot, that his career has shown he shoots at far less than 40%, and that Philadelphia fans ran him out of town for. I’m probably the only Warriors fan in existence right now who is dismayed that Mark Jackson has apparently chosen Iggy as his closer.

Iggy was the hero of the game for his extraordinary defense on Kevin Durant. Durant being limited to 20 points on 5-13 shooting was a huge win for the Warriors.

Andre Iguodala, not Andrew Bogut, is the reason why the Warriors have taken a quantum leap defensively this season. Iggy, not Bogut, is the reason the Warriors are contenders.

Iggy was the missing piece.

Curry: Fabulous through three quarters. Taken out of the game by Mark Jackson’s decision-making in the fourth quarter.

One of the best closers in basketball. But only his rookie coach, Don Nelson, has recognized it so far.

9 assists against 2 TO’s. By the end of this season, only Matt Steinmetz will be left among those who don’t believe he’s a point guard.

Bogut: I don’t want to pile on poor Bogues, particularly after a game in which he was victimized by his coach as much as his own abilities. I do believe he is important to the Warriors success, especially against the bigger teams in the league. When used correctly.

But has Bogut given us a game so far this season that has looked anything like those games he gave us in the playoffs? You know, the ones right after his ankle was shot up with horse tranquilizer, or whatever?

Why not? Is he only capable of those performances on chemicals?

Last night, Bogut gave us 6 points, 7 rebounds and 0 blocked shots in 29 minutes. In a big game. At home. After a rest. Going against a rookie.

For the season, he’s averaging 5.8 points, 7.6 rebounds, and 1.4 blocks. While shooting 47% from the line, and like Andris Biedrins, doing his damnedest to avoid going there in the first place.

Is this worth $12 million a year for three years?

Thompson: Charles Barkley called Klay a certain all-star last night. So I’m no longer alone. But I don’t know if that’s the company I was looking for.

This might have been the best game I’ve seen from Klay as a pro. 27 points on 10-15, 6-9 from three, while chasing Russell Westbrook around all night.

Questions of clutchness? Answered in the fourth quarter last night with that huge post-up bucket over Reggie Jackson, and the And One fastbreak layup.

Klayups? Has he missed a single layup this season?

Questions of efficiency? How does 54% from the field for the season sound? That number will certainly regress, but I think the days of shooting 43% are behind him for good.

Klay is answering every question. Take a look at those 3 blocks last night.

That’s two more than Harrison Barnes — he of the 40 inch vertical — has for the season.

Barnes: The Warriors featured Barnes heavily in the mid-post last night, trying to punish the Thunder for guarding him with their undersized guards, and he was OK. Not dominant, but not terrible. 6-14 for the game, but got to the line a couple of times.

The problem I have with using Barnes this way is that it is horribly inefficient. This form of basketball — mid-post isolation — is horribly inefficient even in the hands of its foremost practitioners, Kobe Bryant and Carmelo Anthony. And Barnes will never approach their proficiency.

Inefficient because: It stops all player movement. Is turnover prone. And even when all goes well, usually results in a difficult, fading, mid-range two.

Meh.

Mark Jackson has previously stated that he won’t “break” his offense in order to get one of the best shooters in the league, Klay Thompson, a shot. Really? So what is this?

I’m pretty sure that what Jackson is doing is trying to give the rest of the team a breather, particularly his starters, while Barnes goes to work in isolation. That, and trying to get Barnes involved in the offense to the satisfaction of the management that drafted him, and is heavily involved in marketing him.

But is it worth it? Last night Barnes received 6 or 7 postups in the first half, and converted roughly half of them. Meanwhile, his man, Jeremy Lamb, was taking far more efficient shots — three pointers over, natch, Harrison Barnes — and hitting three of them. Resulting in Barnes being -1 for the half.

Barnes proved more effective in the second half, and succeeded I believe in picking up the fourth and fifth fouls on Kevin Durant, which was big.

But I’m looking forward to the time when he’s used in the role he was made for: stretch-four. Spreading the floor for threes, slashing to the rim for dunks.

JON: Fantastic on the defensive end last night.

Until the Thunder went small.

Green: Great performance. The strip of Durant was huge. What a gamer.

He needs to be on the floor. Where are his minutes going to come from?

Toney Douglas: Think the Warriors missed him in this game?

I’m pretty sure Reggie Jackson didn’t.

52 Responses to Warriors 116 Thunder 115: Jackson Blows Game, Iguodala Saves It

  1. Thank you and bless you, Feltbot. You said all the things that were troubling me about this game.

    Before I start niggling, let’s say this: Awesome game! Yay Iggy!

    Has there ever been an NBA player as blessed by management as Harrison Barnes? Yeah, the team probably needs breathers now and then throughout the game. But running iso’s for a player who can deliver only 6-14 with minimal rebounds and unnoticeable D?

    Why play a guy like that over someone who shoots 50% all over the court, plays some of the best D in the NBA, handles the ball well AND has court smarts that makes Barnes look like a mental midget? 10 minutes for Green and 23 minutes for Barnes. WTF.

    If team management still feels the need to justify drafting Barnes last year (they should take a poll: it’s a non-issue for fans this season), it should at least give Barnes a role that gives him a chance of success. He’s not a Magic, he’s a James Worthy. Use him appropriately and he can help. Use him like last night and he hurts the whole team.

  2. Felt, I’ve heard you refer to Iggy’s horrible track record in closing games before, but it doesn’t quite match with my impression from afar.

    Now I could easily be wrong, because I never followed his career closely until he got here. I usually only watch other teams besides the Warriors in the playoffs, and the Sixers weren’t regular participants, but I do remember Iggy hitting game winners against both the Celtics and Magic in the playoffs. At least he won’t be afraid to take the shot in a clutch situation that’s a good thing – to a point.

    I also see the danger that he’ll end up taking all the clutch shots and failing more often than not. Making any one player your designated closer is an inefficient strategy.

    But I’m not going to worry about that yet. Look at how selective he is the rest of the game. Iggy’s not forcing much of anything, he’s playing smart and shooting good shots.

    Andre mentioned that the play in the huddle was a designed handoff back to Klay Thompson but the Thunder overplayed it. So Jackson wasn’t intentionally putting the game in Iggy’s hands, he called a play and a couple of high IQ players improvised to beat a defense overplaying their first option. That’s an example of what makes the Warriors so dangerous all 48 minutes, and I hope that’s the way they’ll play all end game situations rather than force the ball to any one player.

  3. Good write-up, Felt… I personally don’t feel like going big hurt us as much as the overall style of play in the 4th. It was highly frustrating for me last season as well — even when going small as we often did — as our offense always grinded to a halt. The ball movement stops, the flowing play stops, our execution stops. It feels like MJ puts the team into “prevent” mode and we fall apart trying to play conservatively. We lost many big leads last season with the same shift in play, regardless of who was on the court. MJ has yet to figure out how to step on the gas and stop driving this team like a old lady afraid she might get into an accident if she goes above the speed limit.

  4. FB, I’m also very glad the Dubs pulled out the win–and am also praying Jackson figures things out by the playoffs. But he could do everything wrong for the rest of the season and this talented team would still make the playoffs.

    My question for Feltbot: WHAT WOULD IT TAKE for you to publicly conclude that Mark Jackson is simply the WRONG COACH FOR THIS TEAM?

    • Nowhere close to that yet — he’s still figuring out what he has, and it’s possible he has political considerations to deal with.

      But if nothing changes by the second half of the season, then somewhere between then and blowing a playoff series.

  5. Superb analysis, Feltbot, illuminating.

    To concede Bogut has limited value against a team like OKC is to concede he’ll have limited value for the playoffs.

    Barnes was told to be aggressive, I’m sure, and not look to create for others. But many of his shots, drives or pull-ups, were ill-advised and did not have much chance, though he did hit one turn around jumper. And, as you say, the other players are taken out of the action on his post-ups. Even if he did have the option to pass, I don’t think he would have seen anyone. Is another concession being made here, that he can’t create for others?

    I don’t think he sees that well for himself, either. He really looks out of focus on many shots, and if the path isn’t clear, he can’t make much happen. One of the things that impressed me about Klay from the start was his absolute concentration, the way he focuses on the shot and the hoop whenever he goes up, which means even if he goes up into a crowd, he might find an opening and hit. Kobe comes to mind in this regard.

    Barnes got 14 shots last night, which means he’s keeping them from someone else, Klay, for example, for whom they aren’t creating enough. How many would Green have made, and what else would might he add to defense and the offensive scheme? We’ll never know—he’s averaging just over 3 shots a game. I’ll not sure more shots shouldn’t go to Speights, without loss. He might be a better midrange shooter and there will be times they need his size.

    • the fair sized mob of barnes fans will tell us he’ll improve. granted, players can improve some ball skills like shooting after age 20, and experience is usually necessary before a player excels in defense because coverage depends on efficiency and anticipation and pattern recognition. a couple of qualities are quite useful for improvement, though, court vision and cognitive processing speed, and those appear to be average in barnes. perhaps he’s getting miscast as a one on one scorer, and should aim for something like a r.horry role player. not quite the same hype potential of course. and barnes still has to prove he has the focus and competitiveness that horry had.

      green possesses the focus, competitiveness, vision, cognitive processing, and is already above average at defense in his second year. the only edge barnes seems to have is in scoring and running velocity, but it appears that the younger player is practically guaranteed a substantially bigger allotment of playing time.

  6. Preseason last night vs Reno. Can’t find a box score. Is Jones playing point and Seth 2?

    —————
    Seth Curry led the Santa Cruz Warriors with 28 points, four rebounds, five assists and five steals during Thursday night’s victory in preseason play at Kaiser Permanente Arena.

    “It was a good experience coming out here the first time with the team,” Curry, whose brother Stephen is the starting point guard for Golden State, told santacruzbasketball.com. “We didn’t know how the chemistry was going to be … We were a little rusty to start the game in the first half, but we got it going in the second half and everybody was moving the ball and playing well together.”

    Dewayne Dedmon had the lone double-double for Santa Cruz, recording 10 points and 12 rebounds.

    Cameron Jones had a team-high eight assists to go along with three rebounds. Daniel Nwaelele had 16 points and nine rebounds.

    • oui, Jones played lead and curry the 2-spot. Nwaelele actually played more minutes than either of them, so he was more of a 2/3 wing at just 6′ 4”. interesting fellow, air force grad who did a tour in Afghanistan, excellent three point shooter in college, originally scouted by SA and Popovich, indicating he can probably defend.

  7. Zach Lowe on the stuff I missed about Bogut last night — “The Glorious Bastardry of Andrew Bogut”:

    http://www.grantland.com/blog/the-triangle/post/_/id/82680/the-glorious-bastardry-of-andrew-bogut

    • What’s not to like?

      Bogut is student of game history, continuing a long tradition of throwback behavior in the trenches. Lee could take a few pointers. Is Bill Laimbeer available to coach?

      • lee doesn’t have any spare fouls to expend in expanding his chippy/cheap shot repetoire. the officiating now is very different than the laimbeer heyday. he did not exactly flourish in his coaching career with male pros, o.k. with the femmes — perhaps not quite the ideal ‘organization man’ ?

        • My suggestion was partly facetious, but still, I’m for ANYTHING that would help Lee’s defense.

          They say Laimbeer has a tendency to rub people the wrong way, and the main reason he never got an NBA assistant gig is because he pissed off too many people throughout the league during his playing days.

          That doesn’t mean Laimbeer doesn’t have skills, or can’t coach. His WNBA teams have done very well. It does suggest he knows a little about D, which is 100% about bugging opponents.

          I suspect Bogut and Laimbeer actually have a lot in common. Both are/were clever (and sneaky!) at bugging people on court. Part of the reason Lee never has any fouls to spare may simply be that he’s not sneaky enough.

    • He still only got 6 points and 7 boards last night.

    • OK, Barnes is about the most stupid AllStar nominee ever. I guess team promotional depts. assemble the candidates.

      Unfortunately, hyping a player beyond his ability is not a developmental assist. Wouldn’t it be humiliating to get the least fan votes ever?

    • chief, you’re kidding about the final tribute sentence, no ?

      the initial post season seedings in the n.b.a., unlike other pro team sports but similar to a tennis draw, set the teams on fixed ‘branches’ of the elimination tree of each conference, so there will be many variables working against any particular pairing in the conference finals. OK and GS might be a first round #3 vs. #6. even if they’re both seeded in the top four, it only takes an unfavorable match up in round one or two — Mem vs. GS for example — to knock one or both out before getting to round 3.

    • one thing that list exposes — the Profit Joseph unequivocally did not grow up a woeyrs fan. regarding the last item especially, he’d be content to leave lots of those lifetime fans behind.

  8. Felty: Couldn’t disagree with you more. The Warriors played tall ball the entire three quarters and through the midway into the fourth quarter, and were ahead by 11 when Bogut came in for JON. No way the Warriors would have been up y 111 with either Green or Barnes on the court, instead of JON.

    Then things went south in part because Lee was shoot mid range shots but rather forcing his shot inside. He went 1-6 in the fourth quarter and that is solely why the Warriors lost the lead toward the end of the game. Even so the Warriors were up by 4 points with 1:37, and small ball was a total failure as Lee could not stop Jackson inside and the Warriors went down by 1 going small ball with 2 seconds to play.

    Barnes and Green were plus three for the game, but the Warriors were plus 5 with JON. No way the Warriors would have had a lead of 11 midway through the fourth quarter playing small ball.

    Jackson screwed up by not playing JON the entire fourth quarter, not by refusing to go small till the end.

    I want JON on the court in the fourth quarter, not Green nor Barnes, although on any given night anything might work.

    Your overstating small ball, especially with regard to this game, as we almost lost as the result of small ball being played at the end of the game.

    And neither JON nor Bogut were particularly good on defense as the Thunder shot from 52 per cent from the field.

    As for Thompson I agree he has come into his own on both sides of the ball. For two years he did not shoot consistently. That appears to have changed. Now he’s an all star. He was not one last year and there was no reason to think he would become a consistent shooter this year. He did so through hard work and not rushing his shot.

  9. Thank you for this. I was pulling my hair out watching that 4th. Lol at Charles and shaq saying to post up lee, we see what happens. But it would be good to play slow and also get some easy ones with a lead. Small ball is one way, but a real post up game is what we are missing.

  10. So how good is Cameron Jones? I believe I saw him some summer league and he looked pretty good.

    Douglas may well have health issues for some time, and they must be looking for yet another adequate backup point guard, maybe are preparing Jones? They don’t really have anyone to fill that role now or in the near future.

    And it’s a shame Seth still isn’t getting this experience, which will be his only shot in the NBA.

  11. Coach Nick of BBall Breakdown thinks Harrison Barnes will eventually be better than both Curry and Thompson.

    • And the old guy laughed in his face: “That’s like saying Nick Young will approach Kobe.”

      Love the old guy. Stephen Curry “the best player in the league right now”. Curry and Thompson “multiple all-stars”. Iggy “turned superstar talent into a role player.”

      “Coach Nick” on the other hand clearly knows nothing about basketball, valuing athleticism over skills and IQ. Bet he loved Atlanta drafting Marvin Williams over Chris Paul.

      Who are these guys?

      The debate starts at 9:30.

      • Lots of people (including the Ws front office?) make that mistake about Barnes. Athleticism can be central to a player’s on-court contribution (a la Westbrook), but not necessarily. Athleticism without skill and savvy is Rodney Carney, not Kobe Bryant.

        It’s obvious that right now Barnes is missing some basic, necessary skills and basketball insight. It is not at all obvious that he will acquire those things. Who knows? Someday Rodney Carney might too. But it’s not the way to bet.

      • Felty, I know you don’t agree with that statement, but Coach Nick’s youtube channel is still worth your time. He had some great 5-10min breakdowns of the Dubs last season.

        Here he looks at their use of the multiple options off of the Horns set against the Mavs last year:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b56lOyNohEg

        Here he looks at the mismatch problems the Warriors gave the Nuggets in the playoffs last year and Karl’s failed adjustments:
        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2t7ei9YldQQ

        This one is the Warriors destroying the Clips with transition 3s although it’s mostly about the Clips lazy transition D – and bonus breakdown of Blake Griffin’s horrible footwork in the post:

  12. Who’s the best team in the NBA? ESPN with some interesting comments, the Dubs included in the conversation.

    http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/page/5-on-5-131114/best-teams-league

    • Who’s the best team? The one that wins the most. No excuses, end of discussion. That’s why we play the games instead of simply running spreadsheets on the teams.

      Right now the best teams are

      Indiana , 9-0
      San Antonio, 9-1
      Portland, 7-2

      Followed by everyone else. At the moment, Portland is demonstrably a better team than the Ws or Heat.

      If you want to talk about talent, that’s a different question. But as everyone here knows, winning games is not just about talent or player stats.

      • SA and Por so far have impressive road and conference records, the woeyrs do not. in the conference, SA and LA/sterlings are 6-1, Por 5-2, woeyrs 4-3 (and under .500 away from oaktown).

  13. No recap tonight. Should be a blowout.

  14. Kind of hard to find anything insightful about last night’s game. We’ll keep our fingers crossed on O’Neal. I assume Curry is OK. I’m in a mood to see his shots dropping more, and getting him good shots should still be a priority, just to keep him in a rhythm. But with Klay playing so well—and with the openings Curry/Igoudala give him—we’ll probably see the offense spread around more this season.

    Still, there are things they could have worked on against a team like Utah. Getting production from Bogut, for one thing. Does he have a post-up move? (Query: how well would Bogut have played had his contract not been renewed?)

    Getting key players from the bench going is another. The second unit, when they came in first half, looked something like this:

  15. I used to be a fan of YahooSports NBA site, but no longer. Like GoldenStateofMind, they’ve made their site virtually unreadable.

    I’ve switched to ESPN and am enjoying it. Love the fact that they’re giving point differential with the standings:

    http://espn.go.com/nba/standings

    Allowing us to handicap the records on the fly. (It hasn’t been adjusted for difficulty of schedule, but I can do that in my head.)

    Also finding the scorecenter useful for one stop shopping of box scores.

    (This was not a paid advertisement.)

  16. Jackson misused Curry last night. He should have pulled him with 3 minutes left in the 1st quarter. Instead, he let him play out the first quarter and he missed the last two shots he took in the last 3 minutes. His being spent carried over into the 2nd quarter as he shot 0-3 from the field. Even in the 3rd quarter he looked spent as he shot 1-4 from the field.

    Udoh finally got to play 38 minutes last night for the Bucks. He shot 4-10 from the field, had 4 OR’s and two block shots, and no turnovers. That’s a lot of extra possessions for his team. The Warriors have no one upfront that can produce that many extra possessions. Play Udoh a lot of minutes and he’s dominating. The Thunder shot only 41 percent from the field. No surprise there.

    • Frank, that’s the best you’ve got on another double digit win against an inferior team that was never in question? Ouch. Talk about glass half empty.

      If anything, Curry had an off night shooting the ball, and he used the game as an opportunity to attack the basket. It was fun to watch his floaters and soft layups off the glass.

      I will say that the starters played about 4 to 5 too many minutes again tonight and that Green needs to be integrated into the rotation and offense better.

      Also, the JON injury looks to be fairly serious. That will open up Bogut to additionally injury stress. Hopefully Speights can carry some of the defensive load that JON had been handling. Interesting take by Barnett on the shoes that players wear these days. I wonder if that made a difference.

  17. Those of you who have the Utah game on tape, take a look at Bogut battling Favors in the post at 4:20 4Q and tell me what you see.

  18. Why does Fitz remind me of that little guy in the new GSW ad whenever he talks about Bogut, that “fan” who shoves his face in Bogut’s butt in a near swoon and then is knocked over?

    And what on earth is the point of that ad? What picture does the FO have of the game and the fans? That the NBA is a shoving match waged by big lugs? That fans are little feebs who should delight in being overwhelmed by brute size and power, that we should submit ecstatically to their decisions? And why are they highlighting two of the least effective players on the team?

    Is Lacob’s Napoleon complex leaking out?

    Seriously, anyone with marketing experience, what are they trying to say? What’s the message here?

    Why do we we have to be tortured whenever we watch a game? The Griffin ads are bad enough.

    • Or is Lacob getting revenge for being booed? Is he throwing last season’s success, which he probably attributes to Bogut, in our face?

      The fans have endured much the last three years, as they have for decades, yet they still remain passionate about the team. They are a significant cause of home court advantage, have received the attention of the national media, and are significant contributors to the team’s coffers. Why insult them?

    • Rule #1 of marketing and sales is to treat your customers with respect. Belittling your customers, even “humorously,” is always a mistake. There are always going to be some who don’t see the humor.

      Rule #2 of marketing is to test everything. No matter what you intended to say, customers see things their own way.

      Both rules are broken quite often.

      The BogutButt ad couldn’t be more “belittling,” could it? That’s very, very *S*t*u*p*i*d* messaging on the Warriors’ part.

      It probably won’t hurt ticket sales (the Ws have a monopoly), but Lacob & Co. need to win the hearts of SF voters. When it comes time for them to vote on the Ws new arena, they’ll remember Bogut’s butt abusing a fan.

  19. even with the extended intervals of tiempo de basura, green only saw nine minutes last night (Mr.Barnes, 29).

    reviewing last season’s rotations over the summer, saw some promising numbers from a very small sample size of the lee/green combo at the 5/4. the media and blogs are assuming that speights and kuzmic will get more minutes with o’neal disabled. we need to see more road games against good teams to learn how the preacher responds without one of his vet reserves facing real competition.

  20. A little player comparison from ESPN:

    Stats from the last 5 games:

    Barnes: 23.6 MPG, 9 FGA, FG% .422, 3P% .333

    Green: 14.6 MPG, 3.8 FGA, FG% .474, 3P% .333

    In short, Green is BETTER than Barnes offensively, especially considering that Green is never featured on the offense – many of his shots are bailouts at the end of the 24-sec. clock.

    The one thing Barnes is supposed to do better than Green – scoring – he actually does worse. And of course the rest of the game is all Green-over-Barnes, by a mile – ballhandling, passing, teamwork and defensive play.

    So what gives? Why doesn’t Jackson play the better player? Why handicap the team with a lot of possessions wasted on Barnes iso’s? It’s not as if he’s any better this year than last. And it’s not as if any amount of hype is going to change his results.

    • +1

      Green, however, is not asked to create his own shot the way Barnes is. When Klay is not on the floor, Barnes is often asked to take his man off the dribble, or to shoot a jumper from the mid-post. A decent concept if the player has the skills (see, Thompson, Klay). The problem; Harrison’s just not very effective at it.

      • Yeah.

        I honestly have a lot of sympathy for Barnes. How could anyone possibly live up to the pressure laid on him by all the hype the team has laid on him?

        Barnes is a fine player, but it would take an extraordinary player to succeed in the role Jackson assigns to him. In that sense, Green has an advantage. No one invests time and ball possessions into making Green score, so any points he delivers are a bonus, not a make-or-break minimal requirement.

        Is Jackson trying to prove to Lacob that Barnes isn’t Michael Jordan?

    • I’m gonna go ahead and venture a guess that if Green were taking 9 shots a game, his FG% would start to sink like a stone. I prefer Green over Barnes at this point, but their roles are too dissimilar to directly compare them (despite positional overlap).

      I’m hoping that Jackson is trying to catch Barnes up a bit due to missing time in pre and early season. He’s also trying to develop a role for Barnes as as offense off the bench. He’s pretty much screwed in this role, as his strengths become apparent when the team is moving the ball, running, and slashing… halfcourt iso’s aren’t efficient for anybody. Barnes is generally able to always get a clean look, however… even though midrange J’s are to be minimized in an efficient offense, they are often necessary when primary options are stopped by the defense. Hopefully he can improve his efficiency on these… time will tell.

  21. Extravagantly romantic article about Klay Thompson. Fun stuff.

    http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2013/11/18/klay-the-carpenter/

  22. Idle speculation about the Warriors’ response to losing JON:

    http://bluemanhoop.com/2013/11/18/golden-state-warriors-want-brian-scalabrine-come-retirement/

    First reaction: As an old guy myself, the idea has some appeal.

    Considered reaction:

    - There’s no evidence whatsoever that either the Ws or Scalabrini would seriously consider putting him on the floor.
    - Scalabrini never got much playing time, with anyone, throughout his entire career. He’s a huge step down from JON at any age.
    - If the Ws put Scalabrini on the floor, they’d be missing a bet: the Ws are deadly with a Lee/Green front line. In some ways, the Speights/Green front line shows even more promise.

    My call:

    Skip the Scalabrini.

    • Dedmon got the call up… It’ll be interesting to see if he gets any time on the court… perhaps in one of our 4th quarter garbage time blowouts.

  23. Not sure why comments are off on new post, or what to do about it :(

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