Trade David Lee: Hawks 126 Warriors 116

The Warriors are a ridiculous 40-9 at the moment, and will likely enter the All-Star break at an even more ridiculous 42-9. And judging from the comments I’m getting on this blog and on Twitter, the consensus among the fans is that if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.    

I certainly share some of that sentiment, and sometimes wonder myself at my continual disgruntlement and nitpicking in the face of this overwhelming success. Am I suffering from anhedonia? Or is there a rational basis to my uneasiness?

Personally, I think it has to do with my conviction that the Warriors have the core of a championship caliber team on this roster (something I have believed for years, in print), but I don’t yet see a championship caliber team on the court.

My list of contenders for the championship this season is down to the Bulls, Hawks, Cavs (stunningly transformed overnight by the gifts of Mozgov, JR Smith and Shumpert), Grizzlies (helped by the addition of Jeff Green), Spurs and Thunder (stay tuned). Others might consider the Blazers and Clippers as dark-horse candidates. For the sake of argument, I’ll throw them in. The Warriors’ record against these teams currently stands at 5-6.

5-6. Is that dominance? Indicative of a runaway favorite to win the championship? A team that has nothing left to fix? [Edit: Sorry, 6-6.  I forgot the second win against the Thunder. Not sure that changes my point, though, does it?]

Some will point to the fact that the Warriors didn’t have Andrew Bogut for three of those losses. My answer to that is… And? Your point, please?

I might also answer that the Bulls were never healthy in either of the two games the Warriors played against them, Lebron was out for the Cavs, Durant was out for the second half of the Thunder’s loss, after a… pretty good first half against Harrison Barnes, Dwight Howard was out for every Rockets game, even when he was in, Melo was out for the Knicks, Wade was out both games for the Heat, Parsons was out for the first Mavs game, and Rondo for the second, and…

Injuries happen. Injuries are real. And some injuries happen so often and are so real that they should be planned for. Is there something about the seasons between 2007-8 and today that lead you to believe the Warriors are likely to have Andrew Bogut healthy throughout the playoffs? Is it possible that the Warriors should have a backup plan in place? A system, a rotation, that they can go to at the drop of a bone? And still contend?

And isn’t it possible that the play of the Warriors second unit — which routinely gets outscored by even mediocre opposition — isn’t quite good enough to get that ring? That their weaknesses in personnel and system will be exploited ruthlessly come playoff time? And their inability to give Curry and Thompson a blow could have dire consequences? (It’s not the bench that has kept the Splash Brothers’ minutes down this season. It’s been the play of the Splash Brothers themselves — with the addition of the Crash, Smash and Gnash brother, Draymond Green.)

And isn’t it possible that playing a two-time All-Star power forward out of position and in the wrong system, when you play him at all, is not the best solution to this year’s Lacob’s Cube? And is it not possible that Steve Kerr needs to find the IDEAL solution, the most efficient possible solution to Lacob’s Cube, in order for the Warriors to seize that ring? Or are the Warriors so dominant right now that it simply doesn’t matter?

5-6. This is why I bitch. This is why I question. This is why I suggest tweaks.

If you don’t like it, go read the shills at the Merc.


Let me ask you a question, if you played a five man team of David Lee, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson against Al Horford, Paul Millsap, DeMarre Carroll, Kyle Korver and Jeff Teague, who would win? No substitutions, first team to 50. Who wins?

If you picked the Warriors side,  you know 90% of the reason why I think Steve Kerr simply gave the Hawks game away.

If you picked the Hawks side, well then I think you must have missed the last two years of Warriors basketball. The two years when that Warriors lineup was the best Warriors lineup by plus/minus — including every lineup that Andrew Bogut played in. Even though this lineup was only ever played in crunch time, against the best competition, and under the most adverse circumstances. You must have missed the fact that that lineup scored at an incredible rate of 1.242 PPP on 59.9% TS, while holding the opposition to a miserable .979 PPP on 50.7% TS. And you must have missed the fact that this was the Warriors lineup that beat the World Champion Miami Heat in their own building. Twice. In consecutive seasons. And was the only team in the NBA to manage that feat.

Perhaps you think this Hawks lineup is better than that Heat lineup of Bosh, LeBron, Battier, Wade and Chalmers (or Allen)? If that’s the case, you should stop reading me, there’s nothing we could ever say to each other.

Let me ask you another question: Putting Al Horford aside for a moment, do you think David Lee could beat Pero Antic in pick and roll? Never got to see it. Not once. Because Steve Kerr got the matchups wrong, got the system wrong.

Steve Kerr got badly outcoached by Mike Budenholzer. Particularly on the second unit. Zigged when he should have zagged. Stayed big when he should have matched up small. Hung David Lee out to dry at the three point line on defense. Bottled him up with motion schemes and godawful spacing on offense. Then benched him in crunch time, for … Harrison Barnes?

To his credit, Kerr seemed to realize it after the game. Refrained from throwing his players under the bus, after a game in which their vaunted defense gave up 126. Made reference to Budenholzer’s “tricky substitution patterns.” Said it was good to get a “first look” at what the Hawks are doing. As if the next time, he would be better prepared.

I believe he will be. I have a ton of admiration for Steve Kerr. He is a smart, dynamic coach. He’s also a rookie coach, wrestling with a lot of different ideas about the perfect offensive system. And wrestling with one of the most absurdly difficult roster puzzles any coach has ever been given. He’s already made some ingenious adjustments to the starting lineup, in roster and system. Now he’s struggling with the second units. With Alvin Gentry by his side, and the apparent willingness to try anything, I have faith he’ll figure it out eventually.

But until he does, bitchers gonna bitch.

Al Horford: I’m sure you caught Fitz whining about the Hawks’ superb shooting percentage from three from the unlikely trio of Jeff Teague, Mike Scott and Kent Bazemore. Insinuating of course that this loss was a fluke.

What Fitz didn’t mention is that Al Horford missed every single one of his mid-range jumpers, on which he is normally deadly. And Coach Bud went away from him as a result. Given how central Horford’s shooting is to any plan to beat the Warriors defense, Fitz is quite correct, future games between these two teams could look very different.

Something very interesting happened at the very end of the game, when the Hawks were trying to put the Warriors away. With Draymond Green at center, Horford ran to the corners, and attempted two consecutive threes. Jim Barnett was utterly puzzled by this, and seemed to think Horford had lost his mind. I saw it completely differently. I think both shots were called plays, and in them I saw signs of Mike Budenholzer’s genius. First of all, it’s not as if Horford can’t hit that shot. He’s 33% on the year, and perhaps even better than that on corner threes. He’s 55% to make at least one of the two shots, and if he makes even one, the game is over. So there’s that. And then there is this: Horford is being guarded by Draymond Green, the Warriors best defender and rebounder (in the game). By lining up in the corner, he is pulling Green as far as possible from the action in the center of the court. And when Green provided help on that action, and the ball was swung to Horford, the shot was not only wide open, but pulled Green all the way back out. Leaving Harrison Barnes and Andre Iguodala to battle Paul Millsap and DeMarre Carroll under the basket for the rebound.

Advantage Hawks? I certainly think so, even though it didn’t work out for them either on the shot or the bounce of the rebound. And also an indication of just how far Steve Kerr has to go to get to Mike Budenholzer’s cutting-edge level.

Pick and Roll: If you ever decide to rewatch this game, pay close attention to the Hawks’ pick and roll. They run a ton of it, because they have a great pick and roll point guard in Teague, a great pick and roll center in Horford, and perhaps the greatest three point shooter in history in Korver, to lift it in the strong-side corner. And a great coach in Mike Budenholzer, who understands his personnel, and how to run an NBA offense that takes advantage of their talents.

Coach Bud’s pick and roll is absolutely pristine, with no wasted motion or passes to invite a turnover or bad spacing. It starts with a point guard ISO at the top of the key. Three shooters are set up and motionless behind the arc on the wings, stretching the floor. The center has pulled his defender all the way down to the box. Now the center runs up towards the key to set the pick, his defender trailing behind.

And it is absolutely indefensible. There is no defense for this. None. As the Warriors discovered.

The Warriors pick and roll is absolutely wretched by comparison. And for no good reason. Do they have a great pick and roll point guard? One of the best in NBA history. Do they have a great pick and roll center? One of the best in the league. Do they have a Kyle Korver to lift the strong side defender? Well, I don’t know about that, but they have a guy named Klay Thompson.

And yet the Warriors almost never run pick and roll. Stephen Curry and David Lee almost never get to play together, and their current rotation partners are horribly unsuited for pick and roll. Bogut almost never rolls, and is afraid to finish when he does, as has been well chronicled. Livingston can’t shoot, and thus can’t draw the opposing center out of the lane. Take a look at the pick and roll the Warriors attempted to run with Livingston and Lee at 11:30 4th Q. Horford didn’t budge from under the basket, and Schroder trailed around the pick. An obvious situation for the point guard to step in and take the open shot, right? But as Atlanta well knew, Livingston doesn’t have that shot. So Lee got the ball in the lane, and was forced to swing it.

Even when the Warriors do play Curry and Lee together, and do run pick and roll, it is usually out of a two-guard front, and requires several passes to set up, and then when it does occur, the other three Warriors are still making their cuts, with their men essentially zoning the lane, and there is literally no spacing. None. The way Kerr runs pick and roll out of his motion offense, the pass to Lee is simply a pass leading to another pass. There is no question of Lee finishing.

What happens to Lee’s pick and roll when Mo Speights is being played with him is a particular joke. First of all, Speights always draws the worst, most immobile defender, the guy who should be the natural target for the pick and roll. As we saw in the Hawks game, where Antic guarded Speights, leaving Lee to contend with Horford.

But then there is the spacing, which is, I’m sorry, utterly amateurish. There is no other word for it. Kerr leaves Speights at the top of the key, essentially adjacent to the pick and roll, virtually guaranteeing that his defender will be drawn into the play.

  • 1:20 1st Q, Curry-Lee PNR, Lee is cut off by Speights’ man.
  • :55 1st Q, Iggy-Lee PNR, same thing happens, forcing a pass back to Speights.
  • :40 3rd Q, Speights takes his man right under the basket, forcing Lee to swing the ball to the corner.

Watching this occur over and over has me scratching my head. Does Kerr prefer a Mo Speights 18 footer to a David Lee layup? Does he prefer a swing pass for a corner three to a layup?

And is an 18 foot Mo Speights two point shot worth more than a 22 foot Mo Speights corner three? I wonder if the Warriors coaches have simulated this in practice, so that they could do the math. What would it take for Kerr to station Speights where Budenholzer stations Antic, in the corner?

And let the Warriors run pristine NBA pick and roll with a spread floor and two of the greatest pick and roll players in history?

It is my opinion that if Steve Kerr finds this solution to Lacob’s Cube, the Warriors might be unbeatable this year, even if Bogut goes down. But if he doesn’t find it, the Warriors could very easily get beat, even if Bogut stays healthy.

David Lee’s Defense: The best solution to spacing Lee’s pick and roll also happens to be the best solution to his defensive woes on the second unit: Leave Speights on the bench, and play Lee at center with a stretch-four. This was Kerr’s solution in the Knicks’ game.

I’ve seen a lot of fans give the opinion that David Lee’s defense was horrible in the Hawks game. I disagree. I think that STEVE KERR’S defense was horrible in the Hawks game.

I have written many times before that David Lee should never be played against stretch-fours. Never. It’s idiotic. He can’t guard the three-ball effectively, when his man is a threat to drive around him. And it removes him from his best defensive role, which is rebounding. When the opposing team plays a stretch-four, Lee should be either benched, or moved to the five. You have to match up, or you’re going to get your fanny spanked, just like Kerr did.

You know who else can’t guard stretch-fours? Tim Duncan and Kevin Garnett. In their primes. Zach Randolph. Kevin Love. David West. Dirk Nowitzki.

Steve Kerr screwed the pooch. Get David Lee matched up with Pero Antic. Barnes on Mike Scott. And go from there. (Where, by the way, has Justin Holiday gone?)

Better yet, get Lee some time at center with Green and Iggy around him. Boom, defense solved. Ah, Lacob’s Cube.

The worst possible solution is a Lee and Speights front line. Kerr got caught in it, and ate it.

I have also seen the opinion that David Lee’s pick and roll defense has been poor. This is also incorrect.

But I do understand why casual fans have this opinion. Time and time again in recent games we have seen David Lee’s man rock the rim out of pick and roll.

But guess what? Not David Lee’s fault. Not his responsibility.

You cannot ask Lee to both show hard on the point guard, as the Warriors coaches are doing, and defend his man rolling down the lane. Responsibility for the roll man is either on the point guard defender, or the help defender on the baseline.

I refer you to 10:30 4th Q of the Hawks game. The Hawks run pick and roll with Schroder and Horford, Lee shows on Schroder, and Horford soars for the alley-oop dunk. Take a look at Iggy on the baseline. Frozen in no-man’s land, unable to make up his mind whether to rotate or not. Can you blame him? His man was Kyle Korver, stationed in the corner.

With the right coach, and the right players, NBA pick and roll with a spread floor is UNGUARDABLE. You can watch tape on it until your eyes fall out. You can try to mix up your coverages. You will fail. It cannot be guarded.

Do the Warriors have the right players to run NBA pick and roll themselves?

Do they have the right coach?

Trade David Lee: What Steve Kerr has been doing to David Lee is an abomination. An insult to a two-time All-Star who can still play the game. He’s turned Lee into a laughingstock. A red-headed stepchild. A garbage-time player.

If Steve Kerr can’t find a fit for Lee on the Warriors, why not trade him? He’s worth a lot more to a lot of playoff teams than he has been to Kerr. In fact, I think other playoff teams with great coaches would line up for him. I think they would scream for him like the traders at the end of Trading Places screamed for orange juice.

Let me ask you a question. Most of you were screaming before the season for the Warriors to trade Klay Thompson for Kevin Love. Would you trade David Lee and Harrison Barnes for Kevin Love right now?

I have a feeling that the Cavaliers might do this now. I think LeBron might do it in a heartbeat. Can you imagine a Lee, LeBron, Marion/Shumpert crunchtime front-line? I’m certain LeBron can, having taken a beating from Lee in the last two years.

And it’s no secret that Love is on the outs with the Cavs. LeBron shoots him dirty looks on defense. Blatt is benching him in the fourth quarter, because LeBron is the crunchtime four, and Love can’t play center. He can’t do anything that Lee can do at center, like defend pick and roll, and switch onto smaller players. He doesn’t have anything close to Lee’s mobility. And it appears that Love himself is miserable, and likely to opt out and leave after the season. The Cavs might be primed to do this deal.

You’d have a frontline of Bogut, Love and Green. So would you do it? I’m pretty sure Lacob and Kerr would.

I wouldn’t.

If you haven’t noticed by now, I’m riding with David Lee.

666 Responses to Trade David Lee: Hawks 126 Warriors 116

  1. Glad you’ve finally come all the way out of the closet on this David Lee thing. Living a lie is a terrible burden. :)

    • I tried to get rgg to answer my extraordinarily simple and straightforward questions–especially because he pronounced it to be Felt’s best post so far. He told me to read it again (I did) and am still utterly confused. He essentially said that that Delphic musings were crystal clear, but only to the “initiated”:

      “Read it again. And figure out what Feltbot isn’t saying, for a reason, and why. All the cues have appeared in the blog. Add all the pieces he has referred to briefly before but suspended, which will appear before the season is over. All things have been revealed. All things will be revealed again.” rgg, 2/8/15

      Now I’m utterly confused. Can you please help out? Here are my very simple questions:

      Many of Felt’s tactical suggestions do make sense, although the almost exclusive focus on Lee was a rather odd and monomaniacal. Success for basketball teams revolve around much more than the use of a single player who, by most accounts, is the 5th–7th most valuable player on the team.

      But perhaps most important, I’m not sure exactly what he’s arguing for. Is he merely suggesting using David Lee differently (an old Felt saw)–or calling for a radical overhaul of the starting unit?

      Is he calling for a Lee-Green-Iguodala-Klay-Curry starting lineup–or just advocating this for closing games, and only against certain lineups?

      If he’s arguing for the former, what of his all cap tirades about how “Nellieball” (sic) teams always start big and end small?

      • Maybe this blog is a little too advanced for you, LT. Read it again, or just give up, stay quiet and learn.

        Start here: are you counting on Bogut to be available in the playoffs?

        • With apologies for answering a question with a question (or two, actually): Are you counting on David Lee to be available in the playoffs?

          Should GS revamp their offense, and starting lineup that has the NBA’s best won-lost record, to bet on Lee rather than Bogut?

          Bonus questions: (1) What is the Warriors’ W-L record in games that Lee was inactive? (2) What is their record in games where he’s played?

          • I’m assuming that you can’t answer these simple questions as well?

            I’ve now read it 4 times and am just as confused.

  2. Wow Feltbot. All $ issues aside, you wouldn’t trade DLee and HB for Kevin Love? It basically be love for lee, with a little addition by subtraction thrown in. I hope this scenario is at least officially presented to the Warriors FO for consideration.
    A five man team of David Lee, Draymond Green, Andre Iguodala, Stephen Curry and Klay Thompson against Al Horford, Paul Millsap, DeMarre Carroll, Kyle Korver and Jeff Teague? This is too close for me to call. I know who I’d be rooting for. If the W’s can lock up home field thru the finals I’ll feel pretty confident.
    One area in which the Hawks PnR cited above is superior to the W’s is the quickness factor. Teagues a demon and Horford no slouch. And I do feel Korvers pure jumper gives Stephs a run for the money as best on the planet. But Steph can do more than just catch and fire..
    I credit the way you back up your arguments and stick to your guns FB.
    Your MO and collected manner in making your points is nice amid a sea of screeching, snarling, and yapping!

    Stuff here has a short shelf life and I gotta repost this:

    Bruce Jenkins in the Sunday Chron:

    “Tuning into the W’s-Hawks game Fri. nite, it was diffcult listening from home to the Hawks stadium organist. Can you imagine being there? How is it possible that somebody hasn’t barged into the booth and strangled him? Straight from the ranks of Amatuer Hour Hacks, this guy is likely to play anything, sloppily and completely out of context, with the game in progress. I was shocked he didn’t venture into “Sweet Home Uzbekistan.”

    • Forgot I wanted to add that I hope youre right about DLee. If he can still bring a reasonable amount of his skill set to the table he will be a very valuable player. Like you I’m a Kerr fan and I think come playoff time we’ll have a clearer picture of where exactly Lee fits into your Rubiks, er, Lacobs’ cube.

    • there have been more complaints about Atl’s house organist than observations how far ahead their team is in terms of coaching, felt guv excepted of course.

      jenkins’ father was a highly successful and respected band leader and arranger, part of Capitol recording studios (the iconic high rise in LA resembling a stack of 45’s). the son should know better than to make a gratuitous jibe at Uzbekistani culture or music, of which he is likely quite ignorant. o.t.o.h., the hausmusik in Atl could have benefitted from some hard core Macedonian dance or women’s choral tunes, in odd number rhythms and non-western tunings, in tribute to their big guy from that land.

      • Only other person I heard gripin about the Organ til Jenkins was my neighbor. That’s why I posted it. We both thought it was very distracting as Muzak to play, or watch, hoops by. I’m kind of a throwback and actually like the roar (0r whatever sound) of the crowd in the background
        I also read it as Jenkins taking a gratuitous jibe at the organ player. Not at all at the country.

        • loud, un-musical, usually ubercommercial music is one reason why attending a game isn’t in my future.

    • Moto and Rzz:

      I tried to get rgg to answer my extraordinarily simple and straightforward questions–especially because he pronounced it to be Felt’s best post so far. He told me to read it again (I did) and am still utterly confused. He essentially said that that Delphic musings were crystal clear, but only to the “initiated”:

      “Read it again. And figure out what Feltbot isn’t saying, for a reason, and why. All the cues have appeared in the blog. Add all the pieces he has referred to briefly before but suspended, which will appear before the season is over. All things have been revealed. All things will be revealed again.” (rgg, 2/8/15)

      Now I’m utterly confused. Can you please help out? Here are my very simple questions:

      Many of Felt’s tactical suggestions do make sense, although the almost exclusive focus on Lee was a rather odd and monomaniacal. Success for basketball teams revolve around much more than the use of a single player who, by most accounts, is the 5th–7th most valuable player on the team.

      But perhaps most important, I’m not sure exactly what he’s arguing for. Is he merely suggesting using David Lee differently (an old Felt saw)–or calling for a radical overhaul of the starting unit?

      Is he calling for a Lee-Green-Iguodala-Klay-Curry starting lineup–or just advocating this for closing games, and only against certain lineups?

      If he’s arguing for the former, what of his all cap tirades about how “Nellieball” (sic) teams always start big and end small?

      I need help!


  3. What the hell. I’ll repost this too. Then I’ll get out into the real world cuz I see some virtual storm clouds brewing on the horizon! :

    Theres also an article summing up the Murrieta Falls hike in Del Valle Park. If youre going on 50 its a nice workout and you’ll break a serious sweat. Get there early cause its long and bring water and food. The falls are in season according to the article, but i’ve done this one and in my humble opinion its about the journey as much as the destination.

    An interesting urban hike is the loop on the hill that overlooks Candlestick Park. Park on Key St. and follow the trail. The Darwinism of urban plant life is in full effect and there are nice views to boot. Do it at nite if you dare..

  4. Masterful analysis

  5. Felt, I posted much the same in the previous column earlier today. Milsap plays so well as a 4, because he plays alongside a mobile, scoring center and has a taller back-up 4 who can bury the 3.

    This is analogous to playing Green alongside DLee and Barnes coming in off the pine as a 4. Barnes would have more opportunity to shoot 4s off the bench and would thus practice them more and become even more proficient.

    And yes, DLee and MoS on the floor together has just not worked.

    One more thing. I think DLee at this stage of his career is best suited as P&R Center, no longer at PF.

    I’m not saying start a DLee-Green-Iguodala-Thompson-Curry line-up. Actually, start Bogut and continue to play him 20 minutes per game (with many off games to preserve him for the play-offs).

    I don’t have as much confidence as you Kerr will figure this out. He likes those “triangle elements” too darn much. I’m just really pessimistic on this point.

    As far as the effectiveness of P&R, I noticed P&R is Livingstons best work as well and not only DLee as the roller, MoS is effective that way as well.

    So yes, a DLee trade is needed for his sake and the Warriors, given the current Kerr sets and preferred line-ups.

    It’s unfortunate because the league is figuring out the Bogut hand-off perimeter offense and figuring out Bogut is no threat to score.

  6. There were a number of interesting points worth pondering. Many of Felt’s tactical suggestions do make sense, although the almost exclusive focus on Lee was a rather odd and monomaniacal. Success for basketball teams revolve around much more than the use of a single player who, by most accounts, is the 5th–7th most valuable player on the team.

    But perhaps most important, I’m not sure exactly what he’s arguing for. Is he merely suggesting using David Lee differently (an old Felt saw)–or calling for a radical overhaul of the starting unit?

    Is he calling for a Lee-Green-Iguodala-Klay-Curry starting lineup–or just advocating this for closing games, and only against certain lineups?

    If he’s arguing for the former, what of his all cap tirades about how “Nellieball” (sic) teams always start big and end small?

    —Confused in NY

  7. And here it is. Thanks Feltbot. Maybe your best analysis of the season, though I suspect this is the one you’ve been leading up to and that you have a few more lined up in the weeks to come

    Any quick thoughts on the 2nd. unit at MSG last night? Kerr deserves all the respect in the world, but when they lose, he’s starting to sound like MJax—lack of focus, lack on energy, blah, blah, blah. The second unit was poorly run and ill conceived.

    • rgg,

      Can you help me out? I’ve read the post twice now and I can’t figure out the answer to my very simple and straightforward questions.

      You say this is his best analysis yet so please help me out!

      • Read it again. And figure out what Feltbot isn’t saying, for a reason, and why. All the cues have appeared in the blog. Add all the pieces he has referred to briefly before but suspended, which will appear before the season is over. All things have been revealed. All things will be revealed again.

        I gave a serious response to your points about the starting lineup and use of Green on the previous post, btw.

        • Thanks, I guess. This was no help whatsoever, so I’m asking others to help out instead. But my question remains: why are these simple, most basic, questions so utterly incapable of being answered? We’re not discussing abstruse and arcane philosophy–this is just a damn b-ball blog! In fact, you slammed me for “not getting to the point” and yet you are fawning over this??

          I’m quite certain that you’re unable to even explain Felt’s basic argument, and that’s why you’re offering these Delphic and unhelpful whatever-your-words-are. I really hope I’m wrong about this so please prove me wrong!

          You teach writing, for God’s sake! Would you accept and laud(!) an expository essay where intelligent readers were completely incapable of discerning what the basic argument was?

          I think–actually hope–not!

        • One more thing:

          I had decided to work through your argument with you but know that it’s completely necessary that my interlocutor is honest with me and gives direct and straightforward responses. Your answer to my simple question clearly seems to indicate that you have not interest–or ability–to engage with me in this way.

          Please prove me wrong and answer these exceedingly simple questions. It’s not that tough rgg….

          I have to admit that Felt’s unwillingness to take a stand and his obvious–and rather strenuous–efforts at obfuscation seems to indicate a fear of revealing his actual position. Quite odd and a real disappointment I must say…

          • I insult you by answering questions that have already been answered. Give it a week or so. And I won’t be able to top Felt.

        • I think I’ve figured this riddle out. Feltbot IS David Lee!?!?

          • Funny! I’ve half-wondered in the past whether moto and rrg were actually Felt avatars, exhibiting radically different personalities and created with ingenious subterfuge.

            But you’ve topped that. Good question! I can almost hear the heavy breathing and panting during the parts explicitly discussing Lee/him?…

        • rgg,

          Don’t worry, I didn’t feel insulted by you. It’s kind of sad that Felt’s best post (according to you) is essentially inscrutable.

          Why is he so afraid now of taking a clear position. He’s NEVER been this way in the past.

          I wonder of there’s something different going on the blog this year that’s creating this. Hmmmm…

          • If you read for audience, as I encourage my students to do, you’ll know exactly why he wrote it the way he did.

          • if you paid attention to the non-hoops content, not that you need to or should, you’d have learned that Prof. Rubin imbibes ‘two buck chuck’ and fine malt whiskies, and neither are my beverages of choice. which makes the two of us derivations of the same person highly unlikely.

            isn’t the ratio of words contributed here running highly in your favor over the past few topics ? doesn’t seem as if you’re lacking for explanations, and that might be casting a shadow or two over your hectoring for answers or resolution.

            SF beer week made it impossible for us to have lunch at one of the pubs we like, Monk’s Kettle. also walked past Mission Cheese cafe, who were serving pairings with North Coast brewery products. their beers are consistently above average or better for my own preferences, and who else makes a decent ale with Thelonious Sphere Monk (donation forwarded to the music foundation named after him for the privilege) on its label.

          • rgg… do you teach your students to sense when someone is BSing by avoiding specifics?

          • Swopa—

            I tell students to write for the audience they want to reach, that there are some—many—readers they have no hope of reaching and there’s no point in trying to do so. It would just warp what you’re trying to say and they’d refuse to see the point anyway.

  8. I have to pass this on (moto and FB). There has been talk here about the Charlie Hebdo bombings, religion, Pope Francis, freedom of speech, Islamic terrorism, and our own abusive behavior in the Middle East. Patrick Keane takes on the Pope’s comments about the bombing and puts it them context. This is a wonderfully thoughtful and tactful piece. His essential position is this:

    “Despite the polarization it simultaneously reflects and intensifies, my own position, succinctly stated, comes down to this: a conviction that it’s precisely the threat of terrorism that makes it incumbent on the West to refuse to sacrifice its deepest value, freedom, to uncritically ‘respecting’ religion—especially when the particular religion in question seeks to blackmail the rest of the world into ‘respecting’ (under some ‘only-to-be-expected’ threat of death) its own ban on images of the Prophet.

    “Not showing the Charlie Hebdo cartoons, or labeling them offensive, insulting, or, worse yet, ‘blasphemous,’ is no longer simply a matter of ‘good taste’ or ‘respect for others.’ In the context of a growing threat by Islamist extremists—ranging from self-appointed jihadists to organized armed forces aiming to establish by the sword a new Islamic caliphate—such normally laudable sensitivity becomes, instead, a caving-in to intimidation by fanatics. The momentarily most ruthless of them (ISIS or ISIL) is determined, in God’s name (Allahu akbar!), not only to forcibly install an ‘Islamic State’ in the heart of the Middle East, but to repeal the Enlightenment and the modern world.”

  9. LT, “Duh, I don’t get it” isn’t exactly holding up one end of a discussion.

    If you don’t get it, stay quiet and take notes. Maybe you’ll learn something.

    • You certainly can be incredibly childish.

      Why isn’t anyone able to answer these simple questions? The obvious reasons is that they can’t because there are no answers to them.

      But, I decided to wait and here how others understood it and get answers to those questions before responding.

      In fact, I did and am doing exactly what you are complaining that I’m not doing.

      And still no answers….

  10. FB,
    Thank you for the thought provoking analysis. I decided to re-watch slices of the game that I recalled having a meaningful turn on the initial viewing. This slice is the first 5 minutes, or so, of the third quarter when the Dubs went from tied to down 10. Even though they eventually tied it later in the quarter it felt like a turning point to me even when they tied it. This is what I saw:
    A nice Barnes drive, 54-52
    Horford drives, Bogut out of position, layup, 54-54. This was odd because it turned into a recurring theme in the quarter for the normally sound Bogut.
    Green misses an open 3, a real clanger. The Dubs are a different team when he is at least average in his scoring efficiency. Not tonight.
    Millsap gets Green in the air and gets to within 3 feet and scores, 54-56. Green leaving his feet is starting to drive JB nuts. Me too.
    Barnes drives with six seconds left, great defense from Korver, Barnes misses a runner.
    Horford gets away with a foul on an illegal pick and Curry fouls Teague. On the inbounds, there is a down screen for Korver and he hits a three. 54-59. It is a great shot.
    Klay misses a three.
    Bogut changes Teagues shot. Curry chases down loose ball to Klay. Klay makes a terrible turnover in the backcourt. Bogut stops Teague but Horford finishes. 54-61
    Bogut drives and is fouled, he makes 1 of 2, 55-61
    Green tipped the miss when he could have pulled it, he chases down the loose ball but turns it over to Korver.
    Teague penetrates but Bogut turns him away. Teague to Carroll, Barnes on him, Curry falls asleep and makes no effort to get to Teague, Carroll drives and kicks to an open Teague for a three. 55-64
    Curry fouled on a three, makes all three 58-64
    Bogut out of position on Horford again. Bogut fouls. Horford makes both. 58-66
    Draymond drives, airball.
    Horford offensive foul on Draymond. Horford out. Antic in. Bogut checks Milsap. Uh oh.
    Barnes drives and lays it in. 60-66
    Curry almost steals it but Teague recovers and makes a short bank shot. 60-68
    Bogut passes too low to a cutting Barnes. Turnover.
    Millsap with an elbow jumper. No challenge from Bogut who is laying way off, 60-70.

    So, in those five minutes you had Kerr getting the match-ups wrong, boneheaded Klay turnover, poor Green shooting, fundamentally bad defense from 3/5’s of the starting five. We would see all of these issues rear their head at other times in the game. There may be answers in different players, rotations, or schemes but the Dubs can improve plenty with better focus and execution.

  11. “… the Bulls were never healthy in either of the two games the Warriors played against them, Lebron was out for the Cavs, Durant was out for the second half of the Thunder’s loss, after a… Dwight Howard was out for every Rockets game, even when he was in, Melo was out for the Knicks, Wade was out both games for the Heat, Parsons was out for the first Mavs game, and Rondo for the second, and…”

    …and no where do you mention DLee was out more than most of those guys. Swell you mention Bogut missed a couple. But you’re working overtime to try & dilute the Dubs achievements & pimp your narrative. Not to mention if a stranger visited your site he would think your Ode to Lee indicates he was every bit the equal of Lebron, Durant, et, al…

  12. Excellent Irving-Mosgov P&Rs on ESPN hi-lites tonight. That Mosgov can really roll. And note the Cavs floor spacing.

    • anything about james or Cle from espn or should come with their disclaimer that they have a greater proprietary stake compared to .90 of the other players and teams in them doing well and laying the revenue eggs. when the thrown together roster struggled around .500 they couldn’t get the articles undermining blatt out fast enough. the first game with james and mozgov (like blatt, an nba ‘outsider’, who heartily endorses his coach, sharing a history with a Russian team) in the line up, they lost on the road, then won twelve consecutive games. the streak ended with a loss to Ind on the road by four, with love and james going a combined 1-8 in their 3’s and just ten points from the bench. espn’s headline for the team’s most recent win was about love, another ‘star’ the combine had banked on over the summer, ‘buying in’ to the renovated Cle bandwagon.

  13. Hey RGG, are you Catholic? Something made me sense you may be and I’m just curious..

    Me and my two brothers were raised Catholic and were hog-tied every Sunday and taken to Mass. When I was 15 I missed the 1981 NFc championship game because my Mom forced me to leave the house at 4;50 pm and tromp up the hill to church. I was steamed and incredulous but it was kinda my fault because i should have dealt with it earlier in the day. My older brother went to mass in the morning and i still remember his Cheschire cat grin as he sat on the couch. My Mom was a real spitfire and always grilled us as to who said the mass. If she didn’t believe u she’d move on to the servers. If she caught you in a lie there was hell to pay and she let u kno it was a serious sin. So I had to listen to “the Catch” occur on a crappy old tranrsistor radio with a guy who had to be at least 90 yrs old in the church stairwell. Didn’t ruin our little celebration though. She later “converted” my father, one of the most magnanimous (and secular) men I’ve ever known, and he too was baptised into the fold. When I was 16 my older brother finally ended the whole charade in a nasty confrontation with my mother that me and my little brother were witness to. We were a tad truaumatized because of some of the very personal things we heard that morning, but also looked at our bro with alot of admiration. Pride too, really.

    There was a very creepy priest in our gramar school parish. Its a rough word but its the one that still comes to my mind. I won’t go into detail but one thing I noticed he always did when I was serving 11:00 mass was demand that i put the weekly “Homily helper” Cliff Notes-type publication mailed to priests every week right under the clock. He’d get into the sacristy at 10:55 at the earliest, toss on his robes, and rip the sample homily out of the pamphlet and insert into his folder. Then read it word-for-word in his very impressive fashoin during the mass!
    Alcohol was one of his problems. And he was very free in kindly offering it to many of the altar boys. What was really incredible is that none of the parents had an inkling of stuff like this, while the kids did. He ate Xmas dinner one year at our house, right across from me..

    I’ll stop this before it de-volves into a pure rant and I don’t want to slam the entire Church because like any org it has its good and bad apples, but it somewhat comes back full circle to your post RGG, involving the pope, Islam and the church, etc. Its incredible the things that are purportedly done in the name of religion. Its a paradox of such proportions that its hard to really wrap your mind around it and often its just easier to shrug and drop the topic. I can’t believe that some of the stuff espoused under the guise of Islamic fundamentalism is accepted and believed by so many seemingly normal 21st century human beings. Felbot earlier decried the lack of a Muslim MLK or Gandhi. The 12 yr old catholic kid in me still cringes when I write this but to this 49 yr old man the Bible is simply a book written by men just like you and I. Except its had an unprecedented 2,000 year-run on the best seller list. I hope I don’t incur to much wrath from above but in my opinion its not a partcularily well-written read either. Its basic message is fantastic, but when its starts getting taken too literally and interpreted in any way but the most elementary and simple way its open fire.

    I think the younger generation has a found a new God. Its name is Technology. My brother didn’t have his daughters baptized into the church, but they wouldn’t have time for it all anyway because they are piously devoted to their iPads..

    “God” gifted every man with free will and a brain. The pithy teaching from the Bible of ”Know thyself” is beautiful. And for me it pretty much sums up what life on this planet is about.

    I re-read your latest one again Feltbot. Complements as I also feel its one of your best. Agree or disagree no one can logically say you don’t buttress your arguments well. I h ad to look up anhedonia, and in retrospect wish I just scrutinized the word harder at first. I’ve suffered from this ailment in seasons past but not this one. Not even a sniffle. All these issues and angles with dLee have to be ocurring to Kerr. Or someone on his staff.

    KLove went for 32 tonite…

    One of the strongest arguments for breaking up the starting line-up is the very performance of the 2nd unit itself, which truly is a Lacobs cube. And yes, I am aware the teams’ record is 40-9.

    I think a few Wubs fans probably rememeber that game when DLee was still aKnick and he went right thru, around, and over Andris in the Garden to the tune of basket after basket after basket, most off the Pick-n-roll. I remember it, getting more and more P.O.’d and scoffing to myself the whole time that lee couldn’t possibly be that good (think Andris got victimized frequently). At 31 I hope he’s still got it.

    Last year MJax rode Curry hard, and this yr Curry and Klay with a side of Draymnd have made the staffs job much simpler. They need to start fine tuning things now to give the team that extra edge that defines Championship coaching.

    • Great post, rzzz. Hell no, I grew up in a Protestant church, and I protested that. Several issues and people in that article were mentioned here or in Feltbot’s tweets (I don’t think he’s Catholic either).

      Pat’s piece about Charlie Hebdo was full, well reasoned, well written, and sane, which put me in a good mood. So did Feltbot’s piece. Such writing is rare. And, as you say, with all the gee whiz wonder today, it’s hard to find one’s bearings.

      This is the only thing I could find about Charles Bukowski and basketball. He talks about his days at City College, LA, just before WW II:

      “I didn’t want to do anything. I didn’t even went to go to gym. In fact, the last thing I wanted to do was to go to gym and sweat and wear a jockstrap and compare pecker-lengths. I knew I had a medium-sized pecker. I didn’t have to take gym to establish that. We were lucky. The college decided to charge a two dollar enrollment fee. We decided–a few of us decided, anyhow–that that was unconstitutional, so we refused. We struck against it. The college allowed us to attend classes but took away some of our privileges, one of them being gym. When time arrived for gym class, we stood in civilian clothing. The coach was given orders to march us up and down the field in close formation. That was their revenge. Beautiful. I didn’t have to run around the track with my ass sweating or try to throw a demented basketball through a demented hoop.”

      • Ok I had to revisit it
        Thanks for the reply and snippet RGG
        I actually had a wee bit of good ol fashioned catholic guilt last nite lying in bed after that post. But got to sleep prettyvquick

        In Ham on Rye CB reminisced fondly of his youth spent on the baseball diamond

  14. Moto, et al,

    (Moto: Glad to hear you’re enjoying Beer Week. The thing about you being an avatar was a joke. Nonetheless, I did say it was ingenious so do you think that M. Rubin would concoct characters that closely shared his own tastes?)

    I have shared a lot of opinions in the past, which should not be a problem when asking for a clarification now. Indeed, posters frequently reply to me and even have now—but continue to refuse answering the simple questions I asked. I was asking for clarifications because when/if I do respond I wanted to make sure I understood what he was being argued. My requests were not verbose and the questions simple. I didn’t want to misrepresent what was being said because it would be a waste of everyone’s time. Yet no one can give a response and I wonder why.

    At times it seemed as if Felt was calling for massive change and at others, merely minor tweaks. Which one is it?

    Look, I’m sure you can understand that it’s impossible to offer a critique (both positive and negative) if you have no idea what the person’s arguing. That’s all I’m asking for…

    So, please answer, if you can.

    • I’m curious. If you’re in NY, do you actually watch the games?

    • Also, it’s bad form for me to say what I thought Feltbot meant. You’ll have to deal with the Man himself.

      • I have been fortunate to watch all the games except for two of the less-consequential ones.

        I did take note that Felt admitted he had trouble watching the games earlier in the season, which, at the time, I thought might explain a number of “curiosities.”

        I hope he’s rectified that problem!

      • Why, Mr. Teacher of English, is it so difficult to answer these basic questions?!? Your exceedingly mature friend and brown-noser (actually purplish ocher if we want to be precise) extraordinaire claimed that the post was too “sophisticated” for my simple mind and that I should listen to what others have to say–like you!

        I’m quite certain that, with the appropriate preliminary locutions, you could take a stab at it without offending Felt at all.

        As for Felt himself, he restricts his communications with me to (admittedly infrequent) broadsides directed my way (I presume) in his blogs. I would love to engage the man directly but he seems quite obviously “hesitant” to do so, if you know what I mean. I really wonder if all the obfuscation above is linked in some way to this.

        I’m just saying….

        • I give up. You are incredibly dense. Everything has been laid out many times, clearly and explicitly, in black and white.

    • didn’t participate/imbibe anywhere in SF during its beer week, and if my observations (couldn’t get into one of our lunch spots, walked past the cheese place) gave you a different impression, my apologies for poor writing.

    • Thanks for the further clarification. I admit I mis-understand the correspondence between you, rgg, and moto on occasion.

  15. I’m seeing the Warriors now 4th in the league on Opponent FG%, the stat Fitz loves to cite.

    And yet, they are still 1st in the stat that really matters, Opponent PPP.

    What to do, what to do? Look for the Warriors PR team to make a nimble adjustment before the next game.

  16. Felt in his own words:

    “And you must have missed the fact that this was the Warriors lineup that beat the World Champion Miami Heat in their own building. Twice. In consecutive seasons. And was the only team in the NBA to manage that feat.
    Perhaps you think this Hawks lineup is better than that Heat lineup of Bosh, LeBron, Battier, Wade and Chalmers (or Allen)? If that’s the case, you should stop reading me, there’s nothing we could ever say to each other.”

    Rgg implored me to consider what Felt “didn’t say.” In that spirit I focused on this rant about how the Warriors were able to beat the Heat in their own building in the past two years in a row while this current iteration lost to the Hawks!

    First of all, what he didn’t say is that the Heat crushed the W’s that same season at the Oracle and beat them the next year as well. Also, and more important: WTF!!! One thing that was abundantly clear was that Felt strenuously, and for almost the entire long screed, argued that Kerr is obviously botching his job (“srewing the pooch!”). He tried to “prove” this based, in part, on how an earlier iteration of the Dubs won a buzzer beater two years ago against an entirely different team. Doesn’t *anyone* see how ridiculous this has turned out! Does anyone think that any intelligent analyst would even consider going there? Please name one, if so.

    In any event, Felt slammed Kerr’s inadequacies by holding him up against an earlier coach (and staff) who supposedly was superior because they beat a better team once during that time. Please note that he didn’t mention any other factors other than the discrepancy in coaching, for which Kerr was the obvious loser.

    But wait! Wasn’t Mark Jackson the coach of those teams? Isn’t Felt explicitly arguing that those previous Warrior teams were better coached by a presumably superior coach and staff based on those two close wins?

    Of course he was.


    • LT,
      You are absolutely annoying. So annoying that you are making this blog unenjoyable to visit. It would be nice if you could actually contribute something rather than always question what someone else’s opinions are. I will however give you a thumbs up for taking trolling to another level. Thumbs up

      • Sorry I’ve made it so painful for you. I asked everyone to explain what Felt was up to in the above post because I couldn’t understand exactly what he was proposing. I couldn’t get any response. I do think that denigrating Kerr’s coaching job based on comparing it with the coaching job in a close win two years ago to be ridiculous.

        In any event, You won’t have to deal with me for much longer. Two posts are coming below. Warning: they’re fairly long so feel free to scroll over. But they will be just about it as I will leave the blog permanently in the next day or two. If you’re a masochist, feel free to read them…

      • I’m pretty sure I figured out who you are and, well, you’re a “bottom-feeder” if there ever was one. You are also the troll, in fact…

  17. From Zach Lowe:

    Good news: Sources say the Warriors have made significant progress in their own quest to create a new mascot, and that they could have one on the floor as early as next season.

    Commence speculation.

  18. The Barnes Conundrum—

    Why should so much attention be paid to what most concede is at best an average player? But the answer is simple: he is a major determinant in the composition of the starting lineup, who has pushed out more capable vets and left more questions about how to get the subs together. Kerr has said that himself, as did the ESPN announcers. He needs the support of the starters. A minor player, a weak link, one of two, is forcing a major decision. The other weak link is Livingston with his limited PG play.

    And you can’t talk about the Atlanta game without talking about Barnes. Kerr decided to close out the game with Barnes, who played the entire 4th quarter. This was a showpiece game. Perhaps it was an experiment, or more likely it was a sign of what we should expect come playoffs.

    But stop and think about what Barnes might offer. He can play 3 or 4, he is young, sizable and athletic, and, for time being, for cap purposes, he is cheap. He has a good shot. And it looks like the FO and staff are betting on his development come playoff time.

    But when it comes time to defend him, all most point to is his potential, still after 2 1/2 full seasons in the NBA with heavy minutes. I don’t understand the sensitivity over criticism of Barnes, which quite frankly is getting tedious and may be indicative of something else. Every player should stand up to full criticism.

    And if I wanted to criticize Barnes, I only have to look at what his defenders say. He has a good outside shot, most often from the corner, when he is open and has time, and he can drive—when open. As for defense, most result to arcana. Hard, concrete evidence is lacking. And that’s it. This is damning with faint praise.

    In the Atlanta game, one of a handful of tests this season, he played 30 minutes and got 3 rebounds, boards which would have been critical for fueling a fast break.

    3 rebounds.

    In the 4th quarter he was 2-6, missing his 2 three pointers. I would never criticize a player for being off in his shot. The issue is what else he can offer on offense to offset, and the answer was almost nothing. Count the number of times he simply passed up a shot or drive instead. Or fumbled. It’s by being able to tax the offense, show a shot, that he can relieve pressure and open up chances for the other players.

    But here’s the killer. He did not go to the free throw line once. On a night the Warriors were getting killed on the line and were having trouble penetrating, an athletic player could have forced drives that at least led to free throws. This is SOP when your game is off.

    0 free throws.

    There still is hope, I suppose, that potential will become actuality, and we have 30 games to go. I’m reminded of stage plays of Peter Pan. In the version I saw (my parents dragged me to it), late in the play Tinker Bell, a small spotlight in the version I saw, was wounded and began to dim. So we in the audience were asked to clap to restore her (enough did—pretty sure I abstained).

    I’m curious, though. What would happen if the audience didn’t clap? Would Tinker Bell get better anyway? Do they have a version where the play goes on and has a happy ending even if she dies? Or would the play just end there?

    • “… criticism of Barnes, which quite frankly is getting tedious and may be indicative of something else.”

      My sentiments exactly.

    • If you want to use single game samples, you could easily destroy every single player in the NBA. By every known measure other than your confirmation bias, Barnes is having a nice season. Not special, mind you, but certainly in line with his current playing time.

      Yes, Barnes is mediocre… the amount of people saying otherwise is infinitesimal compared to the strawman of “Barnes supporters” you argue against. I think on GSOM, the biggest Warriors site out there, there’s about two people who think he’s special. Two.

      He’s among the league leaders at SF for rebounds, so your mention of rebounding in one game is just cherry-picked garbage. Also, regarding “needing to be set up”… is there any team in the league that has 5 good shot creators in their starting line up, let alone their whole team?

      Yes, Iggy is better than Barnes….and it’s not close…. but I suspect the finishing line-ups come playoff time are going to resemble what Felt is asking for more often than not…the only exception maybe if we are up against a team like Memphis that requires more size up front (if by any chance Bogut is healthy, of course). Or, if Lee goes down again. Which seems almost as likely as Bogut going down if the past few years are any indication.

      • The Atlanta game was a test game against stiff competition, and it was close. And if I’m right, Barnes will be used to close out games in the playoffs. I am concerned. You’ll find his good numbers in games where there just wasn’t much contest.

        The OKC games are exceptions, when he did score well, but mostly from 3s. This is my question: what else can he offer if his shot is off?

        Health for Lee, Bogut, and Iguodala, of course, is a question, and without 2 of 3, our hopes aren’t good at all, in fact are nil. It’s another reason to have hope for Barnes, because if he were good, he could fill in. We just haven’t seen that ability yet.

        • Barnes went 6-12 for 12 pts against atlanta without making a 3. He can also rebound, often 2nd best rebounder on the floor.

          Iguodala should finish most games though.

      • I’ll continue with the point I meant to make. A player’s offensive capabilities should be measured by how much he can offer, how many times he can get open or create a shot, how many different kinds of shots he can find, what else he can present when one shot isn’t working.

        Thus I would say Green is a superior offensive player. Even though he has a so-so 3 point percentage, 33, he gets open and shoots more often, about 6 times a game, while Barnes only 2.6. And Green draws serious defenders when he shoots. He can also drive—not well—and get to the line against any opponent. Barnes has to pick his shots in optimum conditions, and he is selective and just doesn’t get many up.

        Maybe Kerr was just experimenting. We’ll find out.

  19. longtimer, question for you. do you see a stumbling block for the team, potentially taking them out of contention within three rounds of the post season, in the variable effectiveness/health/activity level of bogut and speights. if you think remedy should be applied, what do you suggest. [for this exercise, ezeli is a non-response, because kerr hasn’t allowed the player on the court for sufficient eval, and suggesting a trade is equivalent to praying to the lacobite gods].

    • Moto,

      Thanks you for the excellent questions. I do have thoughts on this but was just about to post two of very final posts. I’m saying my farewells….

      But I’ll give it a shot: Of course I’m worried. As I said elsewhere, I’m not so much concerned about Bogut making it to the playoffs (although this is a concern) but rather his ability to make a deep run. That I highly doubt.

      Bogut is also rather up and down with his energy level and agility. Not, sure exactly why, but I’ve speculated on this elsewhere. I DO like the idea of sliding Lee in at the 5 (or Speights on his better nights) with Draymond at the 4 to be a strong strategy–especially against certain lineups (e.g. the Hawks).

      I will have to think more about how to more effectively use Lee–and the PnR is a strong suit of his. But I worry about his injuries and durability as well.

      I do think (contra rgg) that the the coaching staff is experimenting all the time–perhaps too much with the 2nd unit and the staggering. Eventually he’ll need to tighten the rotations and determine the most effective combinations and sets.

      We all knew coming in that 3 of the 4 Warrior bigs were highly injury prone. Save for a trade (probably unlikely) or free agent pick up (more likely) they’ll have to continue this experimenting with what they have. But changing the starting lineup at present does not solve this problem and will only create new ones…

      At the end of the day (remember that?!) it will be very difficult to win a championship even if all the pieces fall in place.

  20. (Author’s note: I will upload the following two posts separately. The first has a style that many of you are familiar with. The second is kind of an extended “Thank You”—along with an apologia, and apologies. As usual, feel free to disregard them if you wish.)

    “It all depends on a red-haired DLee”
    (Apologies to Dr. Williams, BTW)

    Here’s my understanding of the post at present, my last such attempt:

    Felt starts off with guns a blazin’ challenging anyone to dare refute him and insulting people along the way. He came right out and said anyone who thinks the “if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it?” approach applies to the W’s is terribly wrong.

    And then what? Where were the major fix’s he seemed to be signaling for? Was he calling for overhauling the starting lineup or merely tweaking some sets and defensive assignments when David Lee plays? I have no freaking idea. Seriously. And, and until proven otherwise, neither does anyone else on this blog.

    Rgg implored me to look elsewhere “for clues” and things that were “left unsaid”—which I did. Indeed, Felt has been all over the map on all these issues. He first argued that Barnes should be removed from the starting lineup (he was going to be traded anyway because he’s the “Showcase,” right?). Then he said the starting lineup was perfect and able to “play big while going small”—ideal “Nellieball” (sic)! Then, he started mumbling about his manufactured Draymond Green “problem” and the need for him to move to the 3 because he was susceptible to injury. He even offered such decisive “proofs” as a one rebound game (he failed to mention that Dray led the team in +/- that game) and his supposed truly horrendous interior defense in one game which, compared with David Lee was far inferior (failing, again, to mention that Draymond leads the ENTIRE NBA in interior fg% defense). I called him out on this and he replied that I was misconstruing his argument and even wrote the following blog arguing that he has no interest in changing the starting lineup. Then, last week, he contended that Lee should be re-inserted in the starting lineup and Green moved to the 3. And now, I have no idea whatsoever. Is anyone else confused by this?

    Curiously, during this time (and not too long ago) Felt asserted that Lee was near—if not at– the end of his career due to serious, recurring injuries and, sadly, was a mere shadow of his former self. He even “called” it in a Kawakamiesque, “you’ll see” way, bringing up the numerous other times he pointed this out (“All his injuries, sadly, are related!” “Here’s the link!”).

    He’s also been all over the map regarding Steve Kerr. Go back and re-read all of Felt’s posts if you don’t believe me. At first he was simply an ingénue toady who will do whatever Joe Lacob tells him to. Then, he was a genius-along with Gentry—and should be trusted implicitly with all of his decisions. Then, unbelievably, he wrote a blog indicating that he’s the second coming of Keith Smart (in Feltyworld, that is really bad!). Then, Kerr was wonderful again after having successfully—and rather ingeniously—solved the other manufactured problem: “Lacob’s Cube.”

    And now, Kerr’s pretty much a simpleton, clearly implying that he doesn’t understand proper coaching tactics. (NB: Felt generously conceded that he has lots of potential and should get it right eventually!) Nevertheless, Felt made this one thing abundantly clear: Kerr single handedly lost the game for the W’s and was badly out-coached—rather pathetically so, in fact.

    Indeed, the whole rant was really about how poor a job Kerr is doing with Lee and how Kerr’s ineptitude in this regard will prevent the team from winning the championship. He’s on record as saying that until Kerr figures out how to properly use Lee in the PnR, the Warriors have no chance of winning the title. Now everyone knows that this is a ridiculous contention. Pick your favorite coach/analyst/expert and imagine yourself trying to persuade them of this absurdity. You all know perfectly well that not a one of them would think it was anything less than a preposterous claim. Even rgg, who someone elsewhere referred to as “Feltbot’s lapdog” asserted confidently that “of course” this claim of Felt’s was wrong! (rgg, that was meant to show that, thankfully, you’re *not* a lapdog and do have your own opinions. And please do note that I’m quite sure that no one actually thought you have a coat of fur, four legs, and a habit of sniffing all passer-bys in a most indecorous manner. He/she certainly simply intended as a metaphor—even if your moniker resembles a dog growling if you were to try pronouncing it. In any event, don’t worry!).

    Felt’s massive and highly frequent changes of opinions about nearly all aspects of Warrior basketball this year has been rather disconcerting. I’ve said it elsewhere that, while he’s a fan and surely happy about the W’s winning as a blogger he’s always looking for problems. Why? Because I’ve come to realize that, at present, he’s kind of a one-trick pony as an opinion slinger. He’s most comfortable hurling thundering insults at the “hacks,” stupid analysts, nefarious owners and misguided coaches screwing things up.

    And this approach was bracing—especially during all those years of woe. Felt offered aggressive criticisms and provided apparent solutions to all these problems. It was impossible to prove he was right or wrong but his overly confident approach and, at times, exhilarating prose many found (including myself) intoxicating.

    But then a funny thing happened on the way to the Oracle this year. The W’s have not only been a smashing success, they’ve exceeded even the most optimistic predictions. Moreover, they were playing a version of what he mistakenly calls “Nellieball.” One would think that this would bring tears of joy to the man—even a sense of vindication. Yet, everyone on this blog knew that Felt’s been licking his chops of late, looking for things to rail on about. He’s been grasping at straws citing single game stats for one player to prove that there were big problems that needed to be addressed. After the Utah loss he said he found it “very interesting” (read: it got him jazzed up enough to whip out the Feltbot Slamming Device [FSD]). Everyone full well knew that this post was going to be a doozy of a broadsided screed. The only thing is that I didn’t expect it to be so confused.

    Indeed, I’m quite certain that Felt’s completely perplexed about how to handle this current team’s success. And it shows up clearly in the constant and massive changes in his opinions—frequently completely contradicting what he said just shortly beforehand. I mentioned a couple of “themes” where this has been the case but you can find this in an uncomfortable amount of his opinions. Some posters have generously argued that everyone has the right to change their minds about things—a point with which I heartily agree. But the extraordinary extent and frequency of these changing opinions/theories is disarming and only serves to reinforce the sense that Felt isn’t sure of what he thinks at present. That he pretends (for the most part) to never have argued for previous direct contradictions–and then accuses those who point this out as being trolls or “purposely” misrepresenting his opinions certainly doesn’t help. He’s been so used to being the agent terrible slamming the basketball ignorati at every opportunity that he’s completely flummoxed by having to play a different role on a different field. And this, I’ve come to understand, is the principle reason why his level of analysis has suffered so grievously this year.

    But, as you’ll see below, I still have a good deal of confidence in Felt and his analytical mind. I truly expect that he will regain his footing and continue to enlighten readers and basketball junkies just as he did in the past.

  21. I’m just about to bid my farewell—as promised for quite some time now. I assure all that my exit stage left is very immanent (in the next two days at the latest) and understand that a fair number of you will be saying: “About time! Don’t let the door hit you on the way out!” Fair enough.

    But I do want to say the following in all sincerity:

    1) Feltbot *still* is my favorite W’s blogger (Felt: I know that you don’t find this as being much of a compliment given the state of affairs of your competitors but it is a compliment nevertheless!) I think that you still have tremendous potential and the enviable ability to teach others and help people see things they didn’t see before. I’ve said this before and will do so again: Felt helped me learn a good deal about basketball tactics and strategy. Moreover, his insistent and effective explanations of why “Nellieball” is a highly productive strategy I found not only to be interesting but quite instructive as well. I sincerely thank him for that.

    2) Felt *still* has a lot of interesting things to say. For example, his discussion and fine combed breakdown of basketball tactics above, I found rather interesting and worthy of further exploration. I just wish he came clean on what he was proposing!

    3) It’s clear that Felt has an extremely loyal and devoted fan base and this is a great credit to him. And I fully understand why. By the same token I do think he—and everyone—else would benefit from more of a willingness of some to be critical of Felt’s Ideas and analyses. He can handle it, trust me!

    4) I think in all sincerity that Felt should run with the “Nellieball” analysis but define it in his own terms. Nellie has disowned it as his preferred style of play so seize the opportunity, Felt, and own it damnit! I think this will help you regain your footing and remain the most astute W’s blogger around. Please call it Feltyball—as it should be—and then define and apply it with merciless rigor!! Everyone will benefit tremendously…

    5) Rgg accused me of using ad hominem attacks and I want to aggressively refute this. Unlike rgg and the “Hat” I never engaged in calling people derogatory names (or certainly didn’t intend to). I did refer to arguments or ideas as being “idiotic,” for example, but I make a huge distinction between that and calling someone an idiot straight out. Everyone (myself included) proffers stupid ideas all the time, no matter how “smart” they are.

    I am also absolutely 100% certain that every single person on this blog is smarter than me in very important ways. We’re all human beings and filled with fallibilities. I never intended to hurt anyone’s feelings or make them feel bad—or come across as being arrogant (although I’m sure I did at times!). I took this all as playful jousting and my several jokey asides were merely meant in fun. I sincerely apologize if I in any way served to make anyone feel bad. Believe it or not that’s definitely not my M.O.

    Please also remember that I was adopting Felt’s aggressive tone and this is not my normal approach. Indeed, he fairly invites this so I thought that playing the enfant terrible—mimicking his inimitable style—would pay positive dividends for all, even if it pissed people off at times. This was the underlying spirit of my incursions.

    6) I truly enjoyed interacting with all of you and thank you (at least most of you) for showing a great deal of patience and forbearance with me and my “prickly” personality on this blog. I will say my personal thanks and goodbyes separately. We should all remember that, in the end, we all want the same damn thing!

    7) I mentioned several times that my intention entering this blog was to help Felt raise the level of analysis and dialogue—along with many in the community. And, I must admit, I largely failed. Looking back I understand how my early approach made success more difficult but do note that I never had a master plan.

    8) Finally, I’d like to point out again that it’s to Felt’s great credit that he tolerated me on his blog for all this time. Others might have been tempted to kick me off but Felt has been a man of integrity in this regard, and a good sport to boot. He should be praised for that. By the same token, I sincerely believe that my interactions and behavior on this blog would have been more “friendly”—or less caustic–if you had allowed yourself to engage with me directly. I frankly didn’t appreciate your accusation that I was misrepresenting you and wanted to show you that wasn’t the case. Please do understand this. But no worries on my side!

    In any event, those are my sincere thank you’s and apologies to all. I do wish I could have expressed them better and hope that people understand that my intentions were pure and, ultimately, positive. I wish everyone all of the best in the coming year….

    Go Warriors!

  22. I’m on the road banging this out on my iPhone 4 and don’t wanna revisit my Catholicism post. But I did google kno thyself and learned it’s not in the Bible. And that some Catholics feel this is not good advice. It’s actually devious advice becuz the only way to actually know anything is by knowing Him! Regardless, I’m gonna still look at it as my own personal koan straight out of the mouth of Jesus Christo el Mismisimo

    Feltbot, if you get any inside info or juicy tidbits on the KLove/Cle situation, please post em. I’m kinda salivating over all this

    • it is very appropriate for you to mistake a pagan phrase of admonition for having a source from the catolico romano canon ; syncretism has been long ingrained by the church of your childhood. also appropriate we recall the actual origin of the phrase, because 7 Feb is right around (hard to tell with all the calendar ‘reforms’ since classical times) the date that the oracle at Delphi was accessible each year for a religious observance. we can’t even be sure if the oracle herself said the exact words, because it was her priests or other learned folk of her time that had the words carved into the entry of the temple. it makes perfect sense as a caution to anyone seeking divine counsel.

      the pagan Greeks were a handy and appropriate source for the catolicos romanos to borrow from, since the new testament scripture, such as it was, was transmitted in Greek translations of the original Aramaic before it was rendered into Latin. a fair bit of what passes for new testament doctrine comes from the convert saul/santo paolo, who was probably using some form of Greek, but someone correct me if that’s inaccurate.

      • Yeah moto I was kind bummed and I felt a bit foolish too when I learned all this on google. But I know that phrase came up somewhere in my grammar school theology lessons and it struck a nerve with me. It’s kind of a mantra for me now and I repeat it often to myself. 2 simple words that add up to alot

        • speaking as a pagan, no reason to feel foolish. can look at it as a positive sign, that part of your core values doesn’t originate with your mother(‘s) church.

          the best novel from my (usually on loan from the public library) book pile of the last couple of years, “The Orenda” by j.boyden. a memorial to what was lost from our human heritage when the euros crossed the atlantic and became obsessed with eradicating the pagan belief systems and cultures of the indigenous peoples.

          • I had to google that one too Moto. My Dad loved historical fiction (mostly WWII- he turned me onto one of my favorite autobiographys- “Samurai” by Saburo Sakai, an Incredible true story of a Zero combat pilot) and I have a feeling this would have been right up his alley. I’m up on the 5th flr of the mainSFPL for research often and will at least look to see if its on the shelf..
            Did you ever read “El Clan del Oso Cavernario” by Jean Auel? It got panned by many but i tore through the 1st book in a couple days. I actually read all six in Espanol as practice and the last 5 were a bit of a slog, but the first book was just a simple compelling tale with some interseting anthropological angles if you were inclined to exert yourself that way. i’ve been telling this whole saga as a “non-fiction” bedtime story to my youngest niece for about 6 months now and she can’t get enough of Ayla, Creb, Iza, Broud, Brun, Bric, and Brac!

  23. “The Warriors’ record against these teams currently stands at 5-6.”

    Add rockets, it will be 9-6. Curious to know how other teams are doing against same opponents, guess it will be about same. Anyway, playoff series are different. No B2Bs and preparing for a series and match ups would be different to a regular season game. Like how dubs prepared to upset Denver and the Dallas before that. We know how Atlanta plays, can they present different line ups like dubs – NO.

    Still, best for dubs is to stay pat. The new coaching staff didn’t even get a chance to coach the team fully yet. I expect much stronger showing from warriors in the 2nd half. Different guys in different weeks are stepping up, a sign of a team that is coming together.

  24. how can you justify playing Lee over this guy at PF.

    “Among the 18 players who have defended at least 75 post-ups, no one has held their opponent to a lower payoff than Green (0.68 points per post-up). The guy does everything. Pick any advanced defensive metric and Green is right near the top. For Defensive Player of the Year, that’s my leader in the clubhouse.”

    As per Lee should play C, check ignore it) which clearly says that Lee at PF is net +ve and at C, he is -ve. That matches my observation too.

    Lee has still has lot to offer to this team, but his embarassing D means that, he is not going to get minutes. Better D will get him minutes where he can impact with his offense. Kerr has the right idea how to coach.

  25. I guess you are a man of your word,Long timer, if your long goodbye is really coming to an end. U quittin cold turkey or movin on to another site?

    I got be honest and say I don’t know how to feel about this. I do feel a bit of a kinship becuz like you I was a 9yr old thrilled by the dubs ’74 title team

    • Thanks rzz. I had to follow them from the east coast. I remember for two years I walked 1 1/2 miles to a pay phone from which I called collect to the Warriors’ front office during the preseason and asked them how the team was doing, the draft picks, free agent’s, etc. One year I was on the phone for 20 minutes and the other was a bit shorter.

      It’s amazing to think about how difficult it was to even get basic information back then. The calls I made (right next to the church I went to. Yes, I was raised Catholic as well but steer very clear of the Catholic Church these days) were a bit naughty I must confess. Back then you could just call up the operator and give a number taken from the phone book and charge it collect. I did this and “justified” it by telling myself that the person’s unfairly charged could simply reject the wrongful charge. But I knew it was still wrong.

      There’s a confession for you!

      I got my information (and the phone number) from Street & Smith’s the kind of bible I really enjoyed to read!

    • In answer to your question, I don’t expect to move on to another site. I tried GSoM earlier and found that to be frustrating. As for here, no more posts on the W’s, Felt, etc. Anything I write in the coming couple of days will be conversational like this. I might cook up a story or two that many would enjoy but know that when I give my word I must keep it.

      Also, thanks for your informative and interesting posts. I appreciated your honesty and willingness to divulge personal info. You were one of my favorite posters.

      BTW, I expect to meet with SFSU folks later this month. Go Gators!

    • those of us who started following the team from the chamberlain/rogers/thurmond period had some ambivalence about the ’74 squad because thurmond didn’t get a championship. one of the greatest woeyr seasons came a few years before the championship when barry was still slinging the tricolor ball, but few casual or contemporary fans remember it because it was the year the west/chamberlain LA team set a record for consecutive wins and season wins (broken by Chi later).

    • I don’t think Jesus will hold that one against u LT. If He wants to be honest he’ll credit your ingenuity

  26. Kerrs preferred starting line-up is a rim protector, point guard, and 3 Wings, though Green and Barnes can play the 4 as well. This is how Kerr resolved his given rooster, aided by the DLee injury.

    If that model persists, then the Warriors need a back-up rim protector. If that’s not Ezeli, then trade for another rim protector.

    Even keeping this concept with or without a back-up still requires an alternate plan both in the event Bogut goes down or for facing opponents like the Hawks.

    Assuming DLee is healthy and continues healthy and is utilized in a P&R offense, a line-up of DLee-Green-Iguodala-Thompson-Curry is a proven alternative and an effective closing unit. Iguodala and Green are needed in this line-up, as opposed to Barnes, to compensate DLee defensively.

    I don’t see a problem with Barnes in the starting rim protector plus 4 line-up, and Barnes is effective as a Stretch-4 off the bench.

    Livingston is sort of a dilemma on this rooster, as indicated by his low minutes, though an accomplished player. He handles and passes very well and moves without the ball to open spots for lay-ups and dunks. Kerr has yet to solve this. It’s apparent the “2nd unit” is still under performing.

    If Kerr decides not to play DLee at the 5 in a primary P&R offense, then really DLee should be traded for either a back-up rim protector (if Kerr does not have confidence in Ezeli) or a back-up point guard who shoots better and moves the ball down court faster than Livingston (who is not as deliberate as Livongston), not to say Livingston does not have a place on the rooster, he does, as a Wing, but it’s a pretty high price to pay and on that basis he might be a guy available to trade.

    I think like LT stated above Kerr/Gentry are still attempting to optimize the rooster with different models/systems. From what I can tell so far, it does not appear as if DLee or Livingston will be included in such a way as to maximize their potential contributions and if that is the case, then they would be valuable in trades.

    I have no problem with Barnes, though I am disappointed, because I anticipated him as a 3rd big-time scorer along with Curry and Thompson, which has not happened so far.

    • the barnes fans will nearly always cite his shooting stats. can’t deny that his 3 pt. pct. is at an elite level, second only to thompson on the team. but unlike thompson, once curry is missing from a quintet with barnes, they aren’t successful (numerous quintets listed by minutes and performance on only one barnes unit without curry shows substantial success, with livingston, thompson, speights, iguodala.

      • ‘barnes fans’

        huh. How about NOT barnes haters. I haven’t come across a single poster who confused Barnes to all NBA player but I have come across few who absolutely hate him.

        • The belief they are courageously battling the conventional wisdom that Harrison Barnes is a Hall of Famer is very important to the Barnes-bashing fetishists in this forum.

          In the nine or so months since I began following this blog in earnest, I’ve learned that criticizing Barnes serves more of a social function among the core regulars (e.g., Felt, moto, rgg, Hat) than one related to actual basketbal analysis.

          • It is amazing to me how they ignore what is happening right in front of them with their criticism of Barnes, Lacob(as GM and owner) and Kerr while conveniently ignoring the facts.

            Example, rgg says, if Barnes doesn’t make a 3, he contributes little less and giving example of a game in which barnes went 0-3, conveniently ignoring the fact that he was 6-9 from below 3. The game before, Barnes while not stellar overall, still went 4-5 for 12 pts but they shift the focus to 1 reb he got. Last 5 games when rest of the team is actually struggling with shooting 55% for 10 ppg in 26 minutes, solid numbers. If he fills in everything then the shift moves to lack of PFs he gets. It is actually funny how they move goal post.

          • Barnes just doesn’t do much out on the court. Looking at his secondary stats tells the story.

            As a starter who plays 30 minutes per game, Barnes averages 10 points, 5.7 rebounds. That’s roughly 1/11 of the Warriors scoring average.

            This is what burns my bacon: In 30 minutes, Barnes averages 1.5 assists (same as last year), .6 steals (less than last year) and .2 blocks (less than last year – this is the same rate as Steph).

            The reason he is having a “better” season is that his shooting percentage has increased from .399 last year to .504 this season and his rebounding has increased. Everything else has been totally linear. I don’t think there has been a strong statistical argument made anywhere to say whether Barnes is positively or negatively impacting the game. Things like “He can’t score on the second unit” and “He sucks at defense” are not concrete. They are simply based on the eye test and the fact that he does not do enough “good” things on the court.

            I think it’s very safe to say that Barnes has improved in several areas, but his limitations make him nothing more than a role player now, and going forward.

          • I’m surprised to hear you follow the blog in earnest, Swopa, as it’s seldom apparent you read anything, especially Feltbot, and you never return serious counterarguments, which would be useful. The door is wide open.

            I’m also surprised to hear you indulge in what you deem social pathology, unless you’re caught by some social pathology yourself.

            Harry, every time you defend Barnes, you remind us of his limitations. You are the inspiration for the comments. You miss the whole point about offense. His percentage is high because he offers so little and is so selective. Essentially he is getting practice shots. His output per 48 minutes is unimpressive. What matters is what he can offer in critical minutes against stiff competition, and the answer is almost nothing.

            So, Harry and Swopa:

            Why are you defending a player who HAS to be put with the starters to perform at all—this is the official explanation—who cannot help the subs, where he is sorely needed? Can that be said about any starter in the NBA?

            How do you assess his performance in the Atlanta game, a potential matchup and a game that will resemble other competitors in the playoffs? He played heavy minutes, but only got 3 boards and couldn’t drive to at least get free throws, which would have helped with the score and helped balance the offensive attack and relieved pressure on the others. Is there any reason to guard him seriously with one of a team’s better defenders? Or will they put weaker defenders against him so the better defenders can pressure the guards? Which we have seen time and time again.

            Are you satisfied with leaving him in the starting lineup come playoff time? Why? This needs serious argument.

            Should he close out games again, as he did against Atlanta?

            Or are we just supposed to keep quiet? Or keep clapping, hoping he comes alive?

            It is also beyond me why you defend a FO that has made so many questionable minor moves and has done little to offset potential health issues, which, come playoff time, are critical. The bench presents numerous problems for so many reasons, and they still haven’t found a good solution. Only a few good decisions could make a large difference.

            Or are you not interested in the playoffs but instead defending authority and status quo? Your complacency and blind acceptance, your lack of critical defense, suggests this to be the case.

  27. warriorsablaze

    Lee and Iggy combining for a giant steaming pile so far in the first half.

    • Right. Felt said why he thinks that’s so. What do you think, WAB?

      • warriorsablaze

        Yeah, there’s not being optimized, and there’s general poor play. The bits and pieces I caught of the 2nd quarter were mostly the latter.

  28. GooseLosGatos

    Felbot, you wrote a few months ago that Kings owner Vivek was much smarter (I can post your prior comment from this site) than Lacob. If you compare the two owners now what proof do you have to back that up…..

    • Their resumes?

    • goose-l’gatos, perhaps you missed the career summary for lacob when he bought the team. the company kleiner perkins where he made his $$ as a principal partner doesn’t actually create or produce anything ; it’s a capital conduit with occasional intervention to tweak marketing and management.

      as much as the GS partisans enjoyed whinging about cohan, his execs did significantly better with personnel decisions than the maloof suits who preceded ranadive in Sac did. maloof didn’t even want to spend $$ on coaching — westphal had a budget for his entire staff that was less than what the best assistants get elsewhere.

    • Being “smarter” as a human being and “smarter” as an NBA owner are two different things.

      I have no reason to question Vivek’s accomplishments outside basketball, or to compare them to Lacob’s, because I frankly don’t care. As an NBA owner, though, Ranadive is a moron.

      Lacob, at least, has been at least not damaging enough from keep GS from building one of the best teams in the league.

      • “Lacob, at least, has been at least not damaging enough from keep GS from building one of the best teams in the league.”

        Oh, Lacob is instrumental in building this team with 41-9 record and +11 winning margin. He surrounded himself with the right people. If I am not wrong, atleast one guy, Lin, owes his NBA career to Lacob.

  29. Philly—

    Work reared its ugly head and I missed the game. Anybody got anything to add, other than what I see in the box score and game flow?

    1. Steph and Klay are tanked. Even though they’re playing reduced minutes, they’re still carrying heavy loads.

    2. The second unit remains problematic in composition and play, especially 1st. half, as was the case in NY.

    3. There is no interest in developing Lee as a scorer, that he’s being used as a facilitator in this traingulawhatever offense (his assists).

    4. Bogut is his go to guy at the end, when the game is close, as is Barnes (when Green went down).

    • hard to say if barnes finishes as much of the game in Phi if not for green’s early exit — the team seemed to be just watching the clock after d’mond left. if d’mond sticks around, maybe barnes makes the late re-entry rather than barbosa.

    • Ezeli did not play again. He could be the back-up rim protector to spell Bogut.

      Bogut is essential in the Warriors Rim Protector + Curry + 3 6′-7″ guys line-up ( or 4 6′-7″ guys with Livingston).

      What I dont understand is why do opposing teams even bother to guard Bogut when he’s on the perimeter? The guy guarding Bogut should immediately double-team the guy Bogut hands off to and everyone else stay on their man, don’t even bother with Bogut.

      What am I missing?

      • Bogut’s guy is there to help defend against the shooter Bogut is screening for (Steph or Klay). He ignores Bogut’s potential shooting or rolling.

      • Making good use of illegal defense rule.

        “The rule states that a defensive player can not stay in the lane for more than 3 seconds without closely guarding an offensive player.”

        Bogut is outside pulling out the big, keeping the lane open for Curry to drive.

      • I’m working on the assumption that holding even with Philly or slightly pulling ahead of their subs, or starters for that matter, is not a successful performance by the second unit. But again, I didn’t see the game.

        I’m baffled by many things. Why Bogut is no longer rolling, especially the last games against weak competition, just for practice. They attempted that earlier in the season, with some success. Why Ezeli is not getting minutes, again against the same teams. His performance his first year was more than promising and the need for a backup center may be critical. Kerr had him rolling in his brief appearances as well. And why Holiday is not getting any minutes.

        In a sense, the last two games were critical. If the Warriors are going to keep first place, they have to win all the easy games. But I’d hate for Kerr to get in that mentality, as that caution will freeze up the team down the stretch.

        It’s just frustrating that other players cannot step up in these games, and you have to wonder why, whether it’s because of the limitations of individual players, the lineups, or the way they are played. Or all three.

        I do not think Kerr & Co. are idiots in the least. But that does not mean they can’t make mistakes or are beyond criticism, and the questions raised here are worth considering. What we can’t do, of course, is get Kerr to answer them. Nor are we getting answers postgame. I would like to hear how they’d counter.

        Maybe Swopa can step up and fill in.

    • The second unit saved the day for warriors, they were better than 1st unit in the fist half.

  30. Glg et al @ 29:

    It seems absurd to me to attempt to compare Lacob and Vivek at the moment.

    First of all, the difference between their inheritances is huge. Lacob inherited one of the best, and most popular, players in the NBA. Lacob inherited, it should now be obvious to all, a playoff core. He is the NBA owner equivalent of being born with a silver spoon in your mouth.

    Vivek inherited a hot steaming pile of boogers.

    Lacob inherited one of the best markets in the NBA, with the best fan base in the NBA.

    Vivek inherited one of the smallest markets in the NBA, with a fair-weather fan base of cow bell ringers.

    Lacob TANKED his team — a team with a solid playoff core — for two long years. Are we forgetting that? If you happen to think that was a genius move, the best way to build a winning team — then why does it matter what sort of idiocy Vivek engages in until he finds his Harrison Barnes?

    Lacob’s coaching choices — and they were his coaching choices — were absolute disasters for… how many seasons? And we’re judging Vivek for his first? (And isn’t it possible that Steve Kerr himself would have been a disaster without Alvin Gentry by his side? Let’s not forget that as far as Lacob knew, he was hiring a TRIANGLE coach.)

    Vivek made a misstep with his first coaching hire. How he believed that Mike Malone — one of the coaches responsible for making LeBron walk the ball up the court in his first Cavs stint, and one of the coaches responsible for making Curry come back for handoffs after rebounds with the Warriors — could ever fit his vision of a radically uptempo team, is beyond me. Perhaps Malone made him promises that he simply couldn’t keep, when his fat was in the fire.

    But now what has happened? Is Vivek to be faulted again for dumping Malone as soon as it became obvious he was the wrong fit (when he refused to change his system one whit while Boogie was out sick)? Or is he to be credited for axing Malone immediately, so that he could immediately start building his team according to his vision?

    Vivek has hired the right coach, now, in his second try. Not only a great coach, but one of the best fits possible for his vision. He has achieved that in half the time it took Lacob to achieve it.

    He’s still got a piece of crap team, and that is always a difficult problem to overcome. But unlike Lacob, he is choosing NOT to tank. That in itself raises him immeasurably in my esteem.

    • “Lacob inherited, it should now be obvious to all, a playoff core.”

      Wow, that is just not true. Not really, Lacob signed off on Lee’s contract. Curry is the only remaining player from when he took over. He changed everything, coaches, GMs, brought in Jerry West as consultant. Lacob inherited a bad dysfunctional team.

    • What’s the word on D’Alessandro? I don’t know much about him, other than that he must have had success in Denver.

      And I don’t know what are Vivek’s moves and what are D’Alessandro’s. When things aren’t going well with a team, everyone picks their favorite target, as we saw with the Warriors.

      My first test for an owner is how quickly he assembles a staff, how good that staff is, and how much he lets that staff take over. Lacob obviously has failed here, and the Warriors still don’t have a GM. Maybe Vivek is a quick learner and, with a good staff, be able to step in and guide intelligently.

    • Steph By Steph

      Question: when you say Vivek has hired “Not only a great coach, but one of the best fits possible for his vision,” are you referring to Corbin, who they’re currently trying to replace, or Karl, who they have not yet actually signed?

    • Great analysis Feltbot.

      I hate how David Lee has been utterly misused this season. I hope Steve Kerr isn’t going to be this stubborn about things for the remainder of the season, maybe he’ll unleash him in the playoffs? I mean why show all your cards at once? It might also mean we’ll see a better Iggy as well, because both of them are playing well below what they are capable of.

      Anyway, its obvious even to a casual basketball fan like myself that Lee is a great pick and roll player and needs to run it more with Curry so I just don’t see how Kerr wouldn’t know. I’m thinking Lee should move back into the starting lineup, Barnes as a stretch 4 on the 2nd unit with Speights as the 2nd unit center. Lee/Speights isn’t working for me.

      That aside, I think Lacob deserves more credit than what you’ve been giving him to be fair. Let records speak for themselves, the dubs are 40-9. The way I see it, anytime there’s new management, they tank the first year to show how bad it was mismanaged. See how long they took before they actually moved Monta. They also let Keith Smart take the coaching reins, a tanking move. They hired Mark Jackson, his job was to change the culture and get the team playing defence. He didn’t get better at strategy and tactics so of course he had to go.

      The real coach here is Alvin Gentry and again Steve Kerr is learning his chops, Gentry will probably get a head coaching position gig next year, but at least Kerr is able to learn off the best.

      Lacob does have an enormous ego (as shown by throwing Jackson under the bus this year with his quotes), but its a small price to pay for the better basketball we’ve seen.

  31. re the Barnes discussion @27:

    I’m not convinced that Barnes detractors have erred on the side of criticism as much as Barnes supporters have simply refused to discuss the statistical evidence that has time and again been put before their noses. And even if no one on this board considers Barnes a potentially great player (I don’t happen to believe this is true, based on several posters comments) — all you have to do is listen to Fitz for one broadcast to know what goads us detractors to keep telling our side of the story.

    Have any of the Barnes supporters attempted to discuss the fact that Barnes’ peripherals are at the absolute bottom of the league for wing players, as cosmicballoon just mentioned again? If so, I missed it.

    If you want more statistical analysis, how about NBA Real Plus Minus?

    Curry +8.27 (1)
    Green +5.11 (16)
    Bogut +4.77 (18)
    Klay +3.65 (28)
    Iggy +2.24 (58)
    Lee +1.59 (78)
    Barnes +0.92 (99)
    Speights -0.36 (161)
    Livingston -2.02 (312)

    (For the record, I have problems with all adjusted plus-minus formulas, particularly when used to compare players on different teams. But I do believe it yields interesting and useful results when used to compare players on the same team.)

    Something else to chew on (or spit out, which is the pattern of Barnes supporters):

    Barnes FFI per 36m is 220.

    David Lee’s FFI per 36m is 34.

    Yes, Lee is ranked 34th in the league across the 8 major statistical fantasy categories, despite being horribly miscast, misused and virtually ignored in Steve Kerr’s wretched 2nd team offense.

    And you wonder why I have mused about replacing Barnes with Lee in the starting lineup? Shouldn’t we all muse upon it? Why shouldn’t the best players get the most minutes on the Warriors?

    That is the question I’ve been asking myself ever since Barnes was drafted. Is that not a reasonable question?

    • felt, FFI is giving zero weightage to Barnes rebounding where he is one of the among SFs.

      • wrong. rebounding is one of the 8 categories, and in this instance, I’ve weighted it per 36m.

        Why don’t you ask yourself why your brain is wired to poke holes in all statistical analysis of Barnes, instead of giving it due consideration?

        • Then apologies, I thought you didn’t put weightage to rebounding for swing players as per your post before when you posted explanation on FFI.

    • So you want Green at SF and Lee at PF by replacing Barnes with Lee. Why would you do that. I repeat what I said above,

      How can you justify playing Lee over this guy at PF.

      “Among the 18 players who have defended at least 75 post-ups, no one has held their opponent to a lower payoff than Green (0.68 points per post-up). The guy does everything. Pick any advanced defensive metric and Green is right near the top. For Defensive Player of the Year, that’s my leader in the clubhouse.”

      • Would Draymond not be defensive player of the year at small forward?

        Would Draymond not be more valuable to the Warriors defensively when guarding the other team’s most potent scorer?

        Would a defensive front line of Bogut, Lee and Draymond be better or worse at rebounding than the current front line?

        If you replace the WORST defensive small forward in the league, in Harrison Barnes, with David Lee, does the team defense get better or worse?

        Just four of the basic questions your “analysis” skips over. There are more.

        • “Would Draymond not be defensive player of the year at small forward?”

          Draymond would be as good at SF defensively as he would be at PF.

          Few reasons to play Draymong at PF,

          * We already have all defensive SF in Iguodala and very capable defenders at SFs in Klay, Holiday and Barnes.
          * At PF, we have zero players capable of holding themselves.
          * Draymond defending close to the hoop is plus for warriors and that wouldn’t be possible if he is defending a SF.
          * For team’s offense Draymond’s 3 pt threat at PF is better than Lee’s post offense as PF where he doesn’t command double team.

          Lee at C would be a good option at offensive end but the team will suffer with Lee at C on defensive end.

          My 2 cents.

      • My answer, in the previous post, which I think aligns with FB, but I’d better let him speak for himself.

        There’s another way to look at Green. We could use the same argument of putting him in with the subs that is given for Lee, that he will strengthen them. He could easily be 6th. man of the year. He is much more versatile then Lee with his defense, his ability to play anywhere and anyone, plus there’s his improved offense and good playmaking abilities. He could allow better use of Speights, for example. As it is now, Lee and Speights are cutting into each other’s offense, with a loss. He can offset other defensive issues in that lineup, notably Speights. He can facilitate and push the pace. He can help offset the liability of Livingston’s plodding playmaking. He can allow putting Barbosa on the floor, and/or Holiday (what’s happened to him?), giving yet more scoring options.

        But also he will be playing with starters. Come playoff time, they will get more minutes, and they will be staggered with the subs. Any combination of Klay, Steph, or Iguodala with those players will only make them better.

        Green is not superman, though at times he is close. He is not indefatigable, however, and his energy needs to be preserved to the max where it most counts. For what? Making the subs a solid unit, but more importantly helping the team go small at any position when the opportunity presents itself.

        Most importantly, keeping him fresh to close out games, when the pressure will be intense. He will get his 30+ minutes and make significant impact. And he will play at the 4. Lots.

  32. cosmicballon,

    You said
    “As a starter who plays 30 minutes per game, Barnes averages 10 points, 5.7 rebounds. That’s roughly 1/11 of the Warriors scoring average”

    You pretty much answered yourself with the later comment that he is the role player for this team. He wouldn’t score more because he is not the focus on offense. He has scope to improve in most areas but in rebounding he is rebounding better than most SFs in the league, better than Lebron and Melo. That doesn’t equate to his not doing much else. He and Green are complimenting each other. I would like that to continue into future. If you say his %ages are good because he is playing next to Curry and Klay, you are absolutely right. But, credit also goes to Barnes that he plays within himself and the system, not try to do too much, often the case with most 22 year olds.

    Did you see him get the clutch offensive rebound yesterday and pass to Iguodala who has the ball knocked out of his hands. The point is he is helping team win. Why is coaching staff not setting him for more corner 3s, where he is above 50%, is something that I see coaching staff will realize and use it as weapon.

    As per he will be role player in future, may be that is what he would end up as but let us not pretend like we know how a 22 year old will turn out.

    • You are leaving too much on the table @27, Harry, and again damning him with faint praise. Another bonehead test: why, when the main players are tired, can’t he step up against D-Leaguers and rejects, as we saw the last two games?

      • You call it fain praise, I call it level headed analysis. You guys by all means are pretty much calling him pathetic without actually using the word. He met my expectations to improve from last year and contribute as role player.

        • Harry, the point is that he is totally replaceable. Give Barnes minutes to Holiday and you get the same or better results.

          I think we’re all a bit miffed that he is starting. He just hasn’t done enough to be named the starter on this squad. Secondly, he’s not good enough to pick up the subs, so he has to start. It’s a huge conundrum!

          • I am Holiday believer, but his shooting is off and if his shooting is off, he doesn’t bring anything else that Iggy brings. Barnes is working with Green as they switch on PF/SF. Holiday can’t guard PFs and won’t help in rebounding. So, there are pros and cons. The thing is every game dubs lose, it made out here that it is because of Barnes. Every time a player Bazemore, Holiday or McAdoo plays well, then the people just start comnparing them with Barnes and how they should be getting Barnes minutes. I think coaches know something and that is why they are starting Barnes.

          • Harry, you’ve nailed the dynamic of this forum exactly. (And I should note that <a href=""I predicted it about Holiday nearly three months ago.)

            And I’m a Holiday fan, too. If he can get his shot back, I love him at backup SG — the combination of him with Livingston and Iguodala makes it possible defensively to survive playing Speights and Lee together.

          • Crap, I screwed up the HTML. Here’s the link/quote I was referring to…


            “Justin Holiday, who will become the flavor of the month among many fans if he so much as hits a 3 in a game…”

  33. rgg,

    “It is also beyond me why you defend a FO that has made so many questionable minor moves and has done little to offset potential health issues, which, come playoff time, are critical. ”

    Are you serious ? The team is 41-9 and the deepest team in the league. What potential issue are you talking about. No team in the league is as deep as dubs at every position, that is the fact and the result is 41-9, +11 margin with no one playing 34 or more minutes per game. The 2nd unit of Livingston, Holiday, Iguodala, Lee, Ezeli, Speights, Barbosa is good for 38 wins by themselves if they are the starters.

    Next year’s team will not be this deep, then you may have something to complaint about.

    • This is not an argument and you haven’t answered any question or objection. Essentially what you’re telling us with the stats is how good the rest of the team is.

      The issue is how well Barnes will contribute against stiff competition in the playoffs.

      Odds are good they have the same record now with any so-so player. All the evidence points that way. And it’s hard to believe there aren’t fifty or more so-so players who couldn’t have done better, who are more versatile and aggressive, who could help the subs and not have to be hidden with the starters. Of course we’ll never know because it’s never been tried.

      • do you want a proof on how Barnes will do in playoffs. He did better in playoffs last two years, better than regular season. He might stink up in playoffs as you are wishing for to prove a point, but the evidence is in contrary.

      • This post is response to your criticism on FO and not Barnes.

        • Utterly, utterly unconvincing, and you haven’t answered anything. His playoff performance a few years ago had been qualified and covered many times here. Repeating it will not have any effect.

          • Why do you think he will do worse in playoffs, when actually did better than regular season over last two seasons. Sorry, I didn’t read posts here until recently.

          • Ooof. Just look at the Spurs series, which Pops managed fairly easily and won handily. He essentially conceded Barnes, putting weak defenders on him such as Parker so he could pressure the guards. Look at the box scores. Look how much Klay and Steph were shut down once Pops made adjustments. Barnes scored nicely in some games, was a volume shooter in others. And this is the caliber of team they have to beat now.

  34. I’m not gonna cite stats cause its all been done. Just my own observations from watching the games.
    Harrisons defenders are more vitriolic than his “haters”. His detractors usually just list what they find fault with in his play on the court. His supporters cite 41-9, his 3s, and rebounds. But more so they base their defense on Barnes potential future development. If he had been drafted by the Sixers he may be averaging 14 or even 16 pts agame right now. Or he’d be out of the league. And they’d still be putrid. If HB was a second round draft pick he would not be starting for the Warriors, and possibly not even with the team now. Can u say that about our other two similarly positioned 1st rd picks, Steph and Klay?No. They improved every year. The cream always rises to the crop. HB is still submrged. As a 2nd rdr very little would be said about him. If Harrison came out of the Dleague he may be touted as a Reggie Williams-type find. Because thats who he is.

    Harrison is truly along for the ride. In his average game he may give you one, or max 2, nice drives to the hoop, hit 2 wide open threes, and soar to the rim for a climatic dunk. But the rest of the game he has no impact. Or negative impact. And theyrepretty much the same thing. I cant figure out if HB lacks good basketball instincts, or just doesn’t have any. Sure, hes tall, fast, built, smart and handsome to boot. But hes flatlined since his playoff series w/ Den. Absolutely horizontal (at best).
    As recently as a year ago I voiced my hopes re: Harrisons future. I said if he worked hard on his shot he may become a Glenn rice type scorer. But I know it won’t happen now. Hes still an impediment to the flow of the Warriors offense, especially in half court sets. Hes not a good ball-handler. Or passer. He lacks instincts on following his shot and playing defense. He’s spoon fed his scoring opportunities and frankly (deep breath) I could replace him and average 4-6 pts a game!
    If Steph and Klay were joined by a real scoring threat and more instinctive player with real hoops feel on the starting 5 this would be a devastating team. A backup PG would help too. My Brother in law in NCarolina is an avid hoops junky and concurs with me on alot of this. He was the exact same HB in Chapel Hill. He came in with alot of hype and left the majority of Heel fans, rabid ones at that, disappointed.

    marc, are u still holding out hope that HB will become the 3rd big-time scorer next to Klay and Steph? Youre an optimist but I don’t want to rely on this come playoff time. When people start to defend HB beyond a certain point I really question their Basketball IQ. And Visual skills. Maybe even their IQ.

    • Maybe Reggie Wiliams is a bust, but you only have to see how many different things he offered right off the bat, what he did in his brief seasons, what he could do when turned loose—with D-Leaguers—to realize how fall HB falls short.

      • williams is on his second ten day deal w. SA, but will have less court time over those contracts than mcadoo will have for his sojourn in GS.

        • Didn’t know that had happened. Thanks for the tip. Doesn’t look like he’ll stay.

          • I didn’t mean to slight Reggie. He lit it up for GS for a brief shining moment and seemed to be a real find. Some 25 pt games and maybe even 30s. But they weren’t a good team.

            Can’t recall a similar stretch by Harrison in 3 yrs, other than Den, somewhat.

    • Thanks, rzzz. I don’t take the criticism seriously because it is not serous itself, but it does get lonely. I’m the kind of guy who, when the emperor goes out buck naked, has to say, man, the dude’s not wearing any clothes. Something similar is going on with HB and others.


      So off went the Emperor in procession under his splendid canopy. Everyone in the streets and the windows said, “Oh, how fine are the Emperor’s new clothes! Don’t they fit him to perfection? And see his long train!” Nobody would confess that he couldn’t see anything, for that would prove him either unfit for his position, or a fool. No costume the Emperor had worn before was ever such a complete success.

      “But he hasn’t got anything on,” a little child said.

      • I just don’t think Harrison is a good player. But I like to read everyones posts.
        RGG i’m not sure how big a fan u are of Bukowski but I just re-found an old book. “The captain went out for a bite to eat and the sailors stole the ship” Thats my translation from the Spanish and I’ve never seen this book in english in a bookstore. My version has 10-12 excellent illustrations by Robert Crumb and CB wrote it a couple years before his death at 73. Time had tempered him and he couldn’t drink nearly as much, but he still makes his brilliant observations on everyday life. He went to the track often, brooded over his nearing death, and even stopped writing his manuscripts by hand in favor of the hated computer. Unique book.

        • This?

          You can get it on Kindle for 5 bucks.

          Man, you guys, this blog, are bad habits. I didn’t get any work done today.

          • Yup.
            I gotta force myself off this site now too. Its addictive.
            By the way, I heard about “Warriors Fast Break” thru this board. I tried to read it a couple times but didn’t get too far.
            Really want to complement Feltbot on his moderating of his blog.
            Stuff can go pretty off track but to me it makes it interesting. Was wondering if it irks you though, Feltbot.

          • Love it. Have been quietly adding to my reading and beer pub lists.

        • rzz, hope you are not ‘forcing’ yourself ‘off this site’ permanently. almost always enlightening to learn what others are reading, and how their childhood shaped them. the book you mentioned, the autobiography of the great Nippon fighter ace, was one of the influential books of my childhood. northern calif in the early-mid ’50s was re-assimilating a very influential minority, the Japanese americans (many stuck in concentration camps during the Pacific war of course), while the country was at war against the homeland of another minority (which continues today of course in other forms and by proxies).

          • Fascinating. Moto. My dad grew up on Oahu and his dad was the haole principal of a local high school earlier on the big island. The students were almost all Hawaiian/Asian-Pac with many Japanese also. My dad was the only haole kid and took Japanese lessons which he really enjoyed. He had so mAny great stories about the war and it’s effects on the islands and it’s people. From the island wide blackouts in fear of air raids to housing the US soldiers at Xmas, who one time brought their squad mascot, a lion, along. Ive gotta run right now but wanna tell and to hear more from u

    • the barnes apologists might benefit from looking at the championship starting 3’s in the past fifteen seasons. excluding the truly stellar players on those teams (james, p.pierce, leonard), there are role fillers (where barnes could qualify) of a couple of types. impact, multi- position defenders like marion, bowen, artest. the other role fillers starting on championship squads resemble barnes a bit more perhaps– (2 trophies), ariza, antoine walker, s.elliott. those guys actually share quite a bit in common though. o’neal was their center except for elliott, who played with the tandem of robinson and duncan.

      if a reasonable partisan won’t see barnes as the weak link on the lacob trophy bandwagon, where else might there be a bad spoke on a wheel. how about the center, reliable for full capacity work for what, .50 to .65 of the time. what position can a team reinforce cost efficiently, or putting in another way, which position has the larger labor pool of viable/proficient players, the center or the 3 (already on the roster, iguodala, a share of green’s minutes, holiday, should myers/lacob be inclined to ‘sacrifice’ barnes to get a decent back up 5).

      not by chance that the main topic of the guvnor’s post concerns establishing an alternative to bogut at center. ’cause we might as well be resigned to lacob’s Wunderkind having immunity from replacement.

      • ” ’cause we might as well be resigned to lacob’s Wunderkind having immunity from replacement.”

        You can keep repeating it thousand times but that will not make it right. Team tried to trade Lee+Wunderkind for Love. Right there, the proof that for better fit, they won’t hesitate to trade Barnes.

        • if you choose to consider that trade offer reasonable, no problema ; there’s a good possibility that saunders didn’t. if myers/lacob can get another team to put a big value on barnes, of course they’ll deal him, but do you see it taking place before the playoffs this season.

          • Did you expect warriors to be this good this year under new coaching. Why would you break the team that is unexpectedly doing this well and has a chance to improve with more seasoning. Love for Barnes+Lee made sense then but not anymore. IF warriors were a 7th seed or so, makes sense to trade but this team. This is a special team we are witness in front of us. IF you can’t enjoy this team and this season, not sure you will enjoy the game as warriors fan.

      • Rick Fox a perfect example of another player along for the ride. A nice leisurely meandering down highway 1, sun out & top down, Vanessa Williams caressing his thigh, Kobe at the wheel..

    • The draft reports said Harrison has a slow 1st step. That’s why he defends 4’s better than 3’s and can drive by 4’s and does not get by 3’s so often.

      Harrison to me is perpetual hope, like something held out to me that I can never reach. I continue to hope. In the meantime, he’s doing OK for a 7th rounder, and his pay is comensurate with his performance.

      I agree with Felt Green is the Warriors best 3. I also think Barnes is valuable as a Stretch-4 off the bench.

  35. Misremembered Warriors record against contenders. Actually 6-6. Apologies, and edited above.

    • Felty, time to hit the edit button one more time. Warriors vs Bulls 1-1, vs Cavs 1-0, vs Grizz 0-1, vs Spurs 0-1, vs OKC 3-1, vs Blazers 1-0, and vs LAC 1-1. Add ’em up and you get Warriors 7 wins, other “contenders” 5 wins. FWIW

    • Wonder what is the record of these contenders against other contenders. Other than probably Hawks, warriors may have better record at 6-6. Rockets mauled by dubs but are probably better than some of other contenders.

  36. Hawks just made a nice move to free up a roster spot:

    All the contenders are making themselves better. What will Lacob do?

    • saunders has made another concession to a lost season, trading mo williams to Cha, who are making a token effort to scratch into the playoffs and lost their lead guard k.walker for two months.

  37. Fitz ‘n Brooks, on the radio, are debating picking up Jermaine O’Neal or Kevin Garnett. I doubt Fitz has inside dope, but I wouldn’t be surprised if Lacob isn’t considering such a move, or Allen, just to prove he’s a player.

    And I don’t like any of those choices. More difficult pieces for a puzzle that is already too complicated and inverted.

    • garnett is by far the least of those three evils, as far as compatibility on both ends of the court. comparing each of the three at their best, k.g. was far and away the best and most versatile defender, and his ball skills and hoops i.q. were well above o’neal’s. with all three, mobility is the biggest doubt, but even if o’neal is about the same as last season, does kerr/gentry really have use for a bulky, immobile center.

    • I kinda like the idea of KG off the bench backing Bogut as a rim protector, plus KG can shoot. If Ezeli is healthy and Kerr has confidence in him, then Garnett is not needed.

  38. The Warriors have lost one game to a Feltbot championship contender at home, against Chicago (and another one against SAS, not sure why they aren’t on there).

    San Antonio being a huge problem for the Warriors is nothing new. The Chicago game was clearly a fluke.

    Seems odd to group all the games (from cherrypicked teams) and not also mention where they took place.

    Atlanta is 25-3 at home, it is extremely hard for teams to win there no matter how good they are. Memphis wasn’t able to get it done there. Memphis is 22-5 at home, another extremely good home team. Atlanta couldn’t pull out the victory there. And that Dubs-Grizz game swung on a 20-0 run catalyzed by Vince “27% on 3s for the season” Carter hitting what, 3 in a row?

    Clearly, you understand probability from the Horford making 1 out of 2 threes comment and poker knowledge. So, what is the probability that Carter makes all three of his 3 point attempts as a 27% shooter?

    If the Grizzlies pass the Warriors up in the standings or the Warriors draw the Spurs in the playoffs, then it might be time to panic.

    Right now though, I’m not sure it’s fair to throw out “6-6” as evidence that the team is not close to contention.

    • I’m not sure it’s fair to mischaracterize the point in support of which I cited the 6-6 record.

      • Well maybe we have different definitions of “championship caliber”. I take that to mean “contender”, and was responding to:

        “I don’t yet see a championship caliber team on the court”, using the 6-6 record as supporting evidence.

        • I don’t feel the need to cite stats or records to justify my own opinions to myself. I’ve been relying on my eyes for years.

          The record was cited in support of my right to bitch in public, without being castigated for it because of the Warriors’ overall record. As has been the norm here.

  39. rgg, you said above
    ‘Why are you defending a player who HAS to be put with the starters to perform at all—this is the official explanation—who cannot help the subs, where he is sorely needed? Can that be said about any starter in the NBA? ‘

    You could be talking about Iguodala and Lee here who are struggling off bench but looked better in start 5.

    Barnes did bad as a SF last year in ISO offense.

    • Now you are simply gasping for air. Lee has soldiered several seasons of weak teams and less than inspired coaches, makeshift centers his first season who went down anyway, and a rookie center who filled in for Bogut all the games he was down. And he consistently fought and put up good numbers, boards and scoring, regardless. If he isn’t producing much now, it’s because he isn’t being used on offense. Also because of the reasons Feltbot outlined in his post, above.

      Iguodala’s offense has been criticized here, especially his free throw shooting, though his scoring has picked up. I think his +/- is still very strong, regardless. I’ll let someone else dig that up. But, like Lee, he’s put with a PG and unit that does not take advantage of his abilities, specifically his playmaking when it’s in the hands of Livingston. He doesn’t have enough good players to work with, certainly not Barnes. And if you don’t see his superior defense, you simply are not watching the games.

      Both players would make the starters better, and perhaps unbeatable.

      “IF you can’t enjoy this team and this season, not sure you will enjoy the game as warriors fan.”

      moto may or may not answer politely. I won’t let you get away with such crap, but will allow the possibility you misspoke. It is clannish and coercive, the kind of thinking that sends lemmings over cliffs and brown shirts goosestepping. People here are heavily invested in the team and its potential, and have been for years. We are engaged and excited. It’s why we keep watching the team and commenting here and giving it our critical best.

      The general principle is we praise excellence and question where some fall short. We want to see them reach their potential. And I am critical of anyone who falls short, who does not prove himself on the court. Or of coaches and the FO, whose intelligence does not shine and prove itself in their decisions. The coaching staff, after so many years fell short, though, all told, MJax had an impressive record. The owner and GM have made many mistakes along the way. Neither has shown astute basketball knowledge. I defy you to find and present it. No one has done so yet.

      You sound like the kind of fan Lacob wants, accepting, fawning, and unquestioning. I’m sure that’s not your intent.

      • ‘You sound like the kind of fan Lacob wants, accepting, fawning, and unquestioning. I’m sure that’s not your intent.’

        Now, how do you know that? I wanted Ellison to own this team but Lacob so far exceeded my expectations. And may be Lacob is not the dictator as u make him out to be or we would be having Love on this team.

        Your 1000 words reply tells me that, you would like to criticize for the sake of criticizing. I get that criticizing owner is more sexy than giving him kudos.

        If Lacob is GM making Myers dummy,Lacob would be in running for GM of the year. All your criticism of owner is more justified if the owner is Dolan or Vivek.

      • Where on this list of mistakes does drafting Klay, trading for Iguodala (while getting rid of Biedrins), drafting Green in the second round, not trading Klay, and picking up Holiday rank?

        All front offices swing and miss (thank you David Kahn), but would you characterize the decisions above as less good than the decisions to which you refer are bad?

    • Regarding a starting SF: Iguodala makes Curry and Thompson better. Curry and Thompson make Barnes better.

      • Agree. Barnes and Green though making it work. With Iguodala, Green would be a bad matchup given their shooting inconsistency and Iguodala’s lack of rebounding. Iguodala+last year version of Lee probably better than Iguodala+Green.

  40. BTW, warriors 6-6 against the so called contenders from Felt’s list that doesn’t include rockets or it would make it 10-6.

    I quickly browsed through to check, but none of those teams seemed to have won more than 6 games against the feltbot’s contending teams.

  41. Be interesting to see if Warriors pick-up
    someone and what back-up position
    they want to bolster. If they can get
    some help they should go for it and
    not sit pat.

    Felty, posters don’t want to hear about
    Nellieball. Very annoying.

  42. Someone has to make an adjustment for how much the NBA as a whole has declined and is in disarray vs. past seasons, whether because of injuries, horrible decisions, or rebuilding. The competition just isn’t there, except in maybe 10 teams. Even the historically strong West is weaker. Memphis is the top contender largely by default, unless OKC and SA pull together.

    My gut evidence is telling. When I look at the TV schedule, there’s almost never a friggin’ game I want to watch.

  43. Felty, great post at 31, regarding
    King’s ownership and Warriors

  44. moto, somewhere above, your comment about Christians, Greeks, etc.—

    I’ve been on a Frontline jag lately, and just watched From Jesus to Christ, The First Christians:

    If you’ve seen it, I’d be curious to get an opinion. Then again, you’ve probably read more here elsewhere. The show approaches those years from historical and anthropological points of view, and I was just fascinated. So much I didn’t know. One of the reasons religion didn’t take well with me is that all the personages and events were somehow presented as ahistorical, or beyond history, which, of course is nonsense. Also I did receive propaganda from the Gospels. I still have bad feelings against Pharisees. But, as the show explains, the Gospel writers, John in particular, I think, a Jew trying to get more Jewish and Gentiles to follow him, and was competing with rival groups as Judaism was solidifying and consolidating its religion. He needed bad guys to do this.

  45. Well, crap, rzzz. I picked up the Bukowski, but the R. Crumb illustrations didn’t come with the Kindle edition. I assume you know R. Crumb illustrated the book of Genesis:

  46. Regarding Feltbot’s audition to be hired by Sacramento Kings PR, first of all, I hope he succeeds. If Pete D’Alessandro and Chris Mullin can steal Vivek’s money, Felt should jump in and get some, too.

    But let’s point out a couple of things Feltbot doesn’t, one of which is how long-considered and wholehearted Ranadive’s hiring of Mike Malone was. This was no typical coaching hire — as Vivek himself bragged, he observed Malone closely and got to know him for two years with Golden State. And he believed so strongly in Malone that hiring him was Vivek’s first major act as Kings owner — even before hiring a GM.

    If Vivek botched that decision, then his judgment is terrible, ipso facto. But it gets worse from there. Hiring Malone before a GM implied Vivek had so much confidence in his chosen coach that it would trump any possible opinion his GM might have… but barely a year later, Ranadive falls prey to the counsel of D’Alessandro and Mullin (henceforth to be called “the Iago twins”) that Malone isn’t the right guy after all, and needs to be removed right away.

    Removed so quickly, in fact, that Vivek & the Iago twins had no idea what to do next. After a few days of uncertainty, they told the media & the players that Ty Corbin would coach out the season, then they’d conduct a well-considered search for a coach.

    Two months later, that plan is also no longer operative, having collapsed amid a series of self-serving leaks intended to portray one of the Iago twins as taking charge of the situation (as opposed to both Vivek and the twins flat-out panicking, which is more likely the case).

    [Incidentally, do you notice that Felt’s epic defense of Ranadive doesn’t even mention Ty Corbin? Just pretends he doesn’t exist? That should be enough to let you decide whether Felt is trying to tell the truth or mislead you away from it.]

    The result of this sad scenario is that the Kings players are embarrassed by their owner and front office — so much so that DeMarcus Cousins just issued a public, on-the-record statement distancing himself from the whole mess. As was immediately noted on Twitter, when you’ve made Cousins look like the grown-up in the room, you’ve really accomplished something.

    The past few months have shown Vivek to be deluded, flighty, and unprofessional. He’s a clown… a wealthy one, but a clown nonetheless.

    • Bonus snark: Feltbot writes, “Is Vivek to be faulted again for dumping Malone as soon as it became obvious he was the wrong fit (when he refused to change his system one whit while Boogie was out sick)? “

      If you really believe that was the reason Malone was fired, Felt, here’s a bit of advice… if you ever encounter a man who tells you that he’s a leprechaun, turn away and *run.* Don’t ask why, just do it. :)

  47. When I was watching last night, I felt like I was watching with different eyes–I saw things I wouldn’t have seen without having read this column. In my book (no pun intended) that’s a hallmark of great writing.

    One of those things I saw was poor Drew. The poor man is hurting in one way or another.

    Thanks, Felt!
    (sorry that seeing rgg’s butt kept me away for so long)

  48. Surprised that no one argued that
    the Warriors should have a PG like
    Schroeder rather than Livingston,

    • The Warriors should have a PG like Schroeder rather than Livingston.

    • DJ Augustin is averaging 18 and 8 since Brandon Jennings went down. Good 3pt shooter. Good at PNR. FFI of 29. He cost Stan van Gundy $3m.

      The Warriors not only should have a PG like him, they could have a PG like him. They could have had him, himself. With $2m left over.

      • I would be curious to see Myers’ decision tree in selecting Livingston. It would give us insight into how the organization thinks and understands the game. And it would explain their many mistakes.

        • ” And it would explain their many mistakes.”

          Do you realize how not smart that sounds ? Many mistakes is what get you this team, my vote for them to do many more mistakes. Felt, moto and hat have their bias but they try to justify with some logic in their criticism, on other hand you just seemed to just spew anything that comes to your mind.

          May be the word you were looking for is ‘few’ and ‘many’.

          • Just start with Myers’ failure to bring up a suitable backup point guard in five years, not even a prospect who might pan out later, when they have been available all along at good price. Look at the 7-8 who have come and gone. Review the problems not having a backup point guard has caused the team and is causing it now. Then consider how much Livingston’s salary will make it difficult to yet find one or other needed players.

            The sole exception is Jack, a one year rental.

            Go ahead. Tell me how smart Myers is. Tell me his thinking in the selections he’s made.

          • “Myers’ failure to bring up a suitable backup point guard in five years,”

            Jarrett Jack and Livingston are two of the best backups you can get. Isn’t this Myer’s 3rd year or 3rd year that really matters. May be last year, Myer and coach were not in synch as in Iguodala taking Jack’s role but MJ never played him with bench.

            There is a huge list of things I can write about Myers that transformed this franchise.

            * Monta for Bogut
            * Jack and Landry out of no where
            * Iggy as no one was expecting
            * Extend Curry
            * Hire Kerr, Gentry and Adams
            * Extend Klay
            * Draft Klay, Green, Barnes and Ezeli, all rotation players
            * Get Ezeli while dumping Biedrins

            Toney Douglas is the only one that is bad trade. Speights was bad last year but coming along well this year.

            The list goes on. The above are responsibilities of Myers, ofcourse will be helped and influenced by other members. Myers has his prints on 41-9 team, built the deepest team in the league than can take any different opponents playing different style.

            Ofcourse, you can ignore all that repeat what you have been repeating.

          • Serious, serious reality problems here. I tripped over about five on your list and threw up on two. And I’m not going to bother tackling this. You just throw things out.

      • Then you wouldn’t be able to switch the same way on D. Though Livingston is not helping team as much as one hoped stats wise, keeping Curry’s minutes down is a good achievement. Livingston true value may show in playoffs.

  49. Sorry Longtimer but this made me laugh!

    “As for here, no more posts on the W’s, Felt, etc. Anything I write in the coming couple of days will be conversational like this. I might cook up a story or two that many would enjoy”

    “I’m pretty sure I figured out who you are and, well, you’re a “bottom-feeder” if there ever was one. You are also the troll, in fact…”

    I wanna know who you think it is. And speaking of likely suspects, that’s a bummer about the Kindle pictures RGG. You’ll still enjoy it, if you like CB.

    • I’m guessing LT made that comment himself so he could launch an attack.

    • rzz,

      Can’t believe you picked that up, buried as it was; it was intended for my masked “friend.” I was trying to be nice at first but I had not been feeling well so was off my game.

      rgg would NEVER bend over for just anyone, that’s just not rgg’s style. But the Hat is on record for wanting to lick every man–unless he wears camoflouge….

      In any event, glad to see you guys miss me already! But in all seriousness, the blog needs someone to keep you guys–and most importantly Felt–honest. It already was pretty much an echo chamber and now will be even worse. This last post was Felt’s worst I’ve ever read (I’m very serious) and he almost seems to be coming unhinged. Did you pick up that he was arguing that Mark Jackson and his staff understood the team’s talent better and provided superior coaching than Kerr? It’s right there. That the W’s are no longer contenders but the Clippers are? C’mon…

      Right now there’s swopa and who knows how long that will last–I suspect that there’s a lot of boredom creeping in over that way. A couple of other people call Felt out but they are few and far between. Plus, rgg is driving poor and beleaguered Harry mad. He’s like Lucy to Charlie Brown, only he never even pretends that he won’t pull the football away.

      I probably will write a farewell to swopa and provide some advice to Harry so that he can maintain his sanity, but that’ll do it (unless I cook up a story or two). It’s not right for me to say I’m leaving and then stick around.

      • Sorry: rgg is Lucy and Harry plays Charlie Brown’s part.

      • WheresMyChippy

        “Did you pick up that he was arguing that Mark Jackson and his staff understood the team’s talent better and provided superior coaching than Kerr?”

        Did YOU pick that up? Really?? Are you intentionally just trolling now?

        Ever since you’ve come here all you have done is claim that Feltbot said something that he DID NOT SAY. At all. In any way.

        It seems like you just look at what Felt writes and then think to yourself “How far can I stretch this into something completely different?”

        • Hey, if you want me to leave please don’t make things up and call me a troll. A troll has nothing to say and is bent on giving people a hard time. That’s their sole purpose. I’m not doing that at all. Felt relies on readers who have very short memories and are analytically challenged. Perhaps you are one of them? Let’s see…

          Have a look here, WMC:

          Felt’s entire argument above is that Kerr is not doing a suitable job and, therefore, the team is no longer a title contender until he figures that out. Here is where Kerr lacks according to Felty:

          a) a proper understanding of what the team’s best lineup is (which, of course, includes the man he’s obsessed with–you know who).

          b) knowing how to utilize these players to maximum effect.

          Now here’s what he said to “prove” this:

          “The two years when that Warriors lineup was the best Warriors lineup by plus/minus — including every lineup that Andrew Bogut played in (sic). Even though this lineup was only ever played in crunch time, against the best competition, and under the most adverse circumstances. You must have missed the fact that that lineup scored at an incredible rate of 1.242 PPP on 59.9% TS, while holding the opposition to a miserable .979 PPP on 50.7% TS. And you must have missed the fact that this was the Warriors lineup that beat the World Champion Miami Heat in their own building. Twice. In consecutive seasons. And was the only team in the NBA to manage that feat.”

          So, he’s arguing that Kerr doesn’t get it like whomever the coach was during those glorious times. He then adds on to the direct comparison by pointing out that the Heat then were vastly superior to the Hawks now, further “proving” Kerr’s ineptitude.

          Now, casting aside that this is a pathetic argument to begin with (i.e. establishing Kerr’s tremendous “weaknesses” based on a comparison between a game 2 years ago and one now–not to mention that the Heat beat up on the W’s at Oracle that same year)….

          I want to ask you who was the coach who “got it so right” in those two games? Who knew what the correct lineup to play was and how to use it properly?

          You know damn well what the answer is. If you can come up with a surprise answer, pray tell. I’m sure all that I will hear are the crickets chirping…

          • A couple of things:

            –One does not have to explicitly state something for it to have been argued for. Such things can implied, inferred from the context, etc. Writing would be impossibly boring and lack any subtlety if everyone had to explicitly state every one of their opinions–and it’s impossible anyway.

            –I don’t know exactly how Felt feels about this because he’s been all over the map about everything. My guess is that if you asked him he’d say that Kerr and his staff are superior to Jackson and his staff. My guess is that he just wasn’t savvy enough to realize that he was arguing for the opposite at the time–or his massive ego got in the way.

            In any event, the absurdity of comparison in the first place should tell you that something’s really off.

            So, if you’re not a troll, explain carefully to me why I’m wrong. And don’t pull an rgg, whatever you do.

          • by your description of a troll, ‘bent on giving people a hard time’. most of us qualify in that aspect, at least with giving some people a hard time. not calling you a troll — it’s an overused epithet — but if this is your opinion of the participants here, we ‘have very short memories and are analytically challenged’, how do you feel about all the time you’ve expended trying to educate us. or do you perceive an ‘opposition movement’ on this blog, and feel confident it will continue and thrive in your absence.

          • Gosh, LT,

            We should all bow to your analytical prowess. Not that you’ve ever cited a single digit.

            We should all feel just jimdandy about your incessant negativity, dumbass insults, intentional misinterpretations and constant japing. Not that you “meant it that way,” of course. Asshole.

            Your self-centered “look-at-me” nonsense is wearing thin. Weren’t you outta here? Get friggin’ lost already.

          • You said that Feltbot argued that “Mark Jackson and his staff understood the team’s talent better and provided superior coaching than Kerr.”

            Nothing you have quoted from him even remotely resembles that statement. He cited the fact that Curry, Klay, Iggy, Dray, Lee has been our best lineup the last two years. He used the FACT that the PPP differential they created FAR outshined every other lineup. He also mentioned the fact that that lineup beat the world champion Heat in their building twice as anecdotal evidence.

            He did not mention Mark Jackson. If you weren’t paying attention for the last two years, or if you were trying to be intentionally dishonest, you could claim that he’s saying Mark Jackson is a better coach for having played that lineup.

            But to do that you would have to ignore the fact that Bogut was injured for both of those games and most of those seasons. Feltbot said multiple times that Bogut being injured “forced Jackson to become a better coach.” And it rang true. Constantly. When Bogut was out that was Jackson’s go to crunchtime lineup. When Bogut was healthy it wasn’t.

            BTW here’s how I interpret the main jist of this latest post:

            The Warriors have a lineup that has historically shown to be superior. There is a play that can be run with that lineup that is virtually unguardable. If the Warriors want to win the title then they are probably going to have to run that play with that lineup more often than NEVER. Feltbot also expressed a bit of confidence that the coaching staff WILL figure this out.

        • WMC,

          I just saw your response below and am actually very thankful that you replied with thought and care. This is the first time this has happened that I can remember.

          I made a pledge to leave the site but will respond to your reply when I have the chance.

          Thank you again!

        • OK WMC, you took some time to answer and this is exactly what I was asking for. It will help me clarify my thinking and, hopefully yours, as well. There are so many things to deal with it’s hard to know where to begin. But I am curious as to why your moniker changed? Is this really you?

          Ironically, I didn’t pick up on the inference to Mark Jackson’s coaching in relation to Steve Kerr until after a few reads, which were required because I could not make heads or tails of what Felt was calling for and your fellow bloggers refused to help out. At the very least his writing was extremely sloppy (as you’ll see below) and, as I told you, he doesn’t have to mention an individual’s name to make an inference. I also told you that I suspected that he does not think Jackson was a superior coach and assumed the opposite was the case. I was not trying to be dishonest at all.

          In fact, initially I didn’t even notice the inference because I was so dumbstruck that this “anecdote” was applied in the first place as it’s absolutely 100% meaningless. The lineup you mention didn’t beat the Heat, the whole team did. But more important those players two years, ago were very different than now and played in a different system and under a different coach. Then, Lee had an effective mid-range jumper, was two years younger, and had not yet suffered those career-threatening injuries that Felt has lamented. Steph and Klay are much better now—as is Draymond—the latter two possessing vastly expanded skill sets. Also, and rather bizarrely, you and Felt seem to have forgotten that Iguodala was NOT PLAYING for the team two years ago—he was on the Nuggets. So much for that being “by far” the best lineup then, which you claim to be a “fact.” Does anyone understand why I’m so confused by all this?

          By far the most ludicrous aspect of this is Felt’s attempt to use the success of one lineup two years ago in part of one game to try and say anything about this year’s team in the first place. It’s so preposterous I can’t believe it—and more so that seemingly intelligent people like yourself and others on the blog don’t even notice it. The Hawks lost to the Celtics last night. Do you think anyone in Atlanta is declaring that they are no longer contenders? That Budenholzer doesn’t get it yet? Is anyone fishing about for examples of a Hawk win over a better team than the Celtics two years ago as “proof” of his ineptitude? Of course not because it’s so utterly and completely preposterous to even think about doing this. And yet…

          I also do object to your brushing this aside as a simple “anecdote” because not only does it not prove anything at all it is all too typical of Feltbot’s cynical rhetorical ploys. I’ve pointed them out elsewhere and it’s not an innocent mistake either. It’s a load—or pile—of you-know-what, just like claiming that Draymond can’t hack playing the stretch 4 because he only had one rebound one game (BTW Felt, how are Draymond’s rebounding totals of late? Changing your mind, eh?). Or that he supposedly got “destroyed” down low in one game so needs to move to the 3. He uses these one game and absolutely meaningless anecdotes to “enhance” his argument all the time. Yet all this does is needlessly diminish both his analytical prowess and the specific argument he is making in the eyes of any halfway intelligent observer.

          This brings me to final question and the one I’m still utterly bemused by. Again, I want to know whether Felt is calling for this supposed “best” lineup to start games, finish them—or what? If he’s arguing only that this lineup should finish games is this against all lineups or only certain ones? Why has he been all over the map on this—and now refuse to take any stand? Why the secrecy all of a sudden?

          Finally, I should point out/ask the following:

          1) That Felt is on record as saying that the W’s really needed Bogut last year against the Clippers and that not having him would make the series very difficult to win.

          2) Bogut did *not* miss most of last year’s season as you erroneously claim. He played in all but 14 games.

          3) What was that mysterious lineup 2 years ago, now that you (and Felt) realize that Iguodala was not on the team then?

          4) When did Felt begin claiming that Draymond is part of the W’s best lineup? Two years ago? Last year? When exactly?

          • WheresMyChippy

            I don’t get it.. Are you arguing that that lineup has NOT been our most effective? You harp and harp on the anecdotal example yet completely ignore the PPP differential. That lineup LITERALLY outperformed every other one. The difference in what we scored and what the opponent scored has been greatest with that lineup.

            Your “final” question I think I already answered in my last post.. He is calling for this lineup to be used. Period. To be used AT ALL. Starting, finishing, third quarter. Whatever. When the situation calls for it this lineup can and should be employed for at least a few minutes a game.

            We’ve already addressed the Draymond at PF and I see you continue to exagerate and falsely represent what was actually claimed. Never said he “can’t hack” playing stretch 4. Just that he shouldn’t be played there exclusively. You’re going to have to use your brain here. NOTHING is absolute. Different teams call for different strategies against them.

            Your last points:

            1) Huh? And? I said Bogut being out makes Mjax a better (more creative) coach. Not that it makes us a better team.

            2) Got me. Still doesn’t change what lineup was most effective.

            3) Jarret Jack instead of Iguodala. Not much of a mystery. The important aspect of this lineup is that it allows a Curry-Lee PNR with a spread floor.

            4) When PPP differential showed it to be true? Once the sample size became “big enough”? Right after that first game in Miami? :)

            I only got into this to argue your claim that Felt “argued that Mark Jackson and his staff understood the team’s talent better and provided superior coaching than Kerr.”

            It’s still not true. Never happened.

        • @WMC (replying to your post below) There’s been a lot of mis-communication due to this format. (Speaking of which, I used the comment about “not hacking it at 4” as a form of shorthand. Sometimes I say “has to move to the 3.” But everyone knows that this is a reference to Felt’s claim that Draymond is a natural 3 and is too small (and potentially injury prone) to play the 4 for any real length of time. Not trying to be misleading at all.) Here’s a response to your bigger picture replies:

          Again, not to beat a dead horse but an author does not have to explicitly state something for it to be inferred. As you mentioned, Felt claimed that Bogut’s absence forced him to be a better coach. Bogut’s been absent for Kerr, but according to your reading of Felt, still doesn’t get it—especially with regards to deploying his beloved Lee properly—or with what unit to close games with. He “proved” this with the absurd Miami – Atlanta “anecdotal” comparison. In both of these important regards (his whole post above was dedicated to this—along with excoriating Kerr’s coaching) Felt clearly was comparing Mark Jackson favorably to Steve Kerr. Check and mate, mate.

          In any event, all you’re saying is that Felt’s thundering call to “fix” what ain’t broke is to sometimes play (without specifying when or under what circumstances) this mysterious lineup at least just a few minutes a game? That’s it?!?

          Call me a stickler for details but I think it’s quite odd that this mysterious lineup that will solve the W’s current “ills”–and which is supposedly “the best” because it “LITERALLY (sic) outperformed all of the other ones”–was a lineup that consisted of a player (Jack) who’s not even on the team now, and played two years ago under a different coach and system. That Felt’s “solution” is to play this lineup “at least a few minutes a game” I find astonishing. Don’t you?

          As far as “PPP differential” being the be-all and end-all with a purported ability to accurately determine which is a team’s best lineup–I strongly disagree. These types of statistics are regularly being abused by fans like Feltbot who apparently don’t understand how such statistics can and cannot be used. Even Felt claims on occasion that these stats are useless—and then goes ahead and uses them to his supposed advantage. The sample sizes required, range of standard deviations, etc. are such that using them this way is at best misleading. The time and energy it would take to explain this is not worth it. But I can assure you that those that are tasked with making use of these statistics in the NBA most certainly don’t use them this way. Instead, they use them as guideposts, a means to point out things to look for that might have been missed. They signal tendencies and, as they become more refined, allow for a statistical rough sketch of aspects of the game that were heretofore not captured by numbers. But they’re still crude and, you must remember, in the very early stage of development.

          One thing I can assure you is that no GM would ever come to the conclusion that, solely because a relatively little used lineup had a superior PPP differential to its starting lineup, it is superior in any way. You’d be laughed out of the room if you were to claim such a thing. Nor would they ever say anything like, “Hey, player X must be better than player Y because his +/-, offensive or defensive PER, etc. is better.” That’s because of things like this: last year Klay was *below* average for both offensive and defensive PER for 2 guards! Last year Iguodala was best or 2nd best in the entire NBA for +/- and this year he’s only 6th best on the team. Did he deteriorate that much? These types of things (and there are many more) should give you pause if you don;t understand such concepts as sample size, standard deviation, controls, etc.

          In fact—and this should be too obvious to need mentioning—the most important statistic is W-L. Period. The W’s record with the current starting lineup intact is 32-3. Why anyone thinks that this needs to be changed is completely beyond me. One of the reasons why I’m quitting this blog is because it is led by, and filled with, individuals who think (1) the Warriors coaching staff has been given a raw deal in terms of the quality of its roster (Lacob’s Cube!); (2) that this same coaching staff is not quite up to standard, and (3) the team is not performing well enough on the court. In fact, it’s the only media space in the entire basketball universe that I’m aware of (i.e. blogs, TV, radio, print, web sites, etc.) where this is even remotely the case. It’s turned into a massive echo chamber with very few dissenting voices. Spurious arguments abound and my efforts to call attention to all of this have been thoroughly rejected.

          But here’s what I do believe:
          The W’s are far from perfect and do need to continue experimenting and growing. Kerr has been quite open about this. But this does not mean that they should mess with their starting lineup. Why? For the simple reason that both the offense and defense are highly improvisational and both will only improve with continued and extensive time playing together. That they’ve been so highly successful so quickly is a testament to their potential for further growth. Everyone knows the importance of continuity in the NBA and no one (outside this blog) thinks it would make any sense whatsoever to disrupt this continuity.

          Feltbot has been all over the map on what the starting lineup should be. Yet, he’s been on record quite recently arguing that Lee should slot in at the 4 with Dray moving to the 3—and this clearly seems to be his preferred lineup. In addition to the reason outlined above (i.e. continuity), here’s why it’s not a good idea:

          With Lee at the 4 the W’s lose that incredibly unique and special ability—lauded by opposing coaches and wise analysts throughout the league—to switch all over the place at four positions. The whole nature of their defensive web would have to be altered and the players would have to learn entirely new defensive relationships and schemes. That this new player (Lee)–who’s unable to switch–is a weak defender to boot will result in a significantly weaker perimeter defense. The interior defense would also suffer—contra whatever Felt tries to tell you. Draymond is the top ranked interior defender in the entire NBA. And David Lee? According to Don Nelson, Lee can’t guard anyone. Now close your eyes, put on some mood music—even smoke some kind herbal medicine or imbibe in your favorite tipple (or both!)—and even then you’ll be unable to conjure up enough of an imagination to picture Lee defending, say, Blake Griffin or Dirk in the box as well as Draymond. Try it!

          Offensively, they’d suffer as well—especially if Lee has not regained his outside shot. I’ve yet to see any strong evidence that he’s done so and as a result the spacing would be absolutely horrible. Now, opposing teams would have two interior players not to worry about beyond several feet from the basket, and therefore be able to clog up the middle. Even if Lee’s mid-range game miraculously re-appeared, Draymond’s ability to pull defenders out to the 3 point line creates much more of that coveted space. You’d also be taking another important space-creating element out the lineup with Barnes’ 43.2% accuracy from distance relegated to the bench. This unit with Lee would also be slower, less athletic, older, and less agile. (Do note that it does have its strengths and would be a strong unit.)

          The 2nd unit would also suffer. The robotic Barnes cannot create on his own and putting him on an already offensively dysfunctional 2nd unit would be a disaster (disregarding Felt’s cynical claim to the contrary). Taking away Lee’s rebounding and ability to generate his own offense would also weaken the 2nd unit. Speaking of which, something needs to be done about this group. It seems like we’re experiencing Groundhog Day with this and it’s rather frustrating. Lee should be able to beast on opposing 2nd units and the rest of the cast should be strong enough to hold significant advantages as well. They’re loaded with veterans, strong and unselfish passers and good enough defenders. But as a unit they’re rather average. This, I think, is the real pressing issue—and not shaking up the wondrously successful first unit.

          So this is it: My last post. I hope that at least someone finds this useful. One thing I do suggest is that someone ask Felt directly what his position is on all of this. He’s been all over the place and no one dares ask him why for reasons that escape me. He seems to have a good sense of humor and won’t get mad. So why doesn’t someone simply ask:

          Hey Felt, what should be the W’s starting lineup post-All Star break? And what exactly should be done to shore up the second unit? What are your thoughts on staggering starters?

          What is your opinion about these “advanced” stats? You say they’re mostly useless but use them all the time. To what extent can they be relied upon for useful analysis? How big of a sample size is needed? What are the most and least useful ones?

          I’m sure he’ll provide a straightforward answer. At least I hope he will…


      • I don’t think you need to exile yourself and wander in the wilderness. Or lurk in the darkness. I like to think think all are welcome in the fold. But I don’t speak for the masses
        (Im still on my Bible kick)

        • All ARE welcome, but the masses on this basketball blog want to talk basketball, not waste time on hostile asswipes who want to nitpick writing style, consistency, and everything else they can come up with to act like a complete suckass.

          Even asswipes are welcome, though, if they’ll play well with others.

          LT, are you listening?

          • Does this make any body else laugh out loud when they read it? Moto, Hat, I don’t how serious you guys are but this stuff is good.

            LT, I think theres constructive criticism here too. You’ve speculated as to why Californians go out of there way to be “agreeable.” You seem like u often go out of your way to be disagreeable. You did mention your youth in NY and they may explain some of it because there are some fundamental differnces between the denizens of each coast, I believe. But sometimes it just seems like u have an axe to grind (ie Feltbot) and I’m not even sure you’re aware of it. These are all people you don’t know and probably never will, so why bother with all the emotional investment? You’ve already given your explanations for your posts(fun, accountability, exposing silliness, etc, etc) but they just don’t ring fully true. I can tell your a huge W’s fan from some of your posts and if you just stick to your own opinions without rippin apart everyone elses there’d be alot less of this silliness here. I’m gonna drop all this now and attempt to watch this uninspiring W game.
            Fitz: “Harrison Barnes!! Another rebound!”

  50. Some possible differences between Kevin Love and David Lee as teammates emerge in this piece:

    • No, but I’ve played many sessions with players who slept between hands and had to be woken up.

      I witnessed one high stakes game where the players were so irritated by a professional who had been playing for days and kept falling asleep, that they only woke him up to deal him in on the blinds.

      • Hilarious!

        I could never fall asleep at a table full of money. Not ever. And I’ve nodded off on my bicycle.

  51. swopa@33,

    It is not that difficult to see it coming, right ?

  52. rgg@49,

    I know why you feel like throwing up, because reality and facts doesn’t suit your narrative, reality bites. Have fun and keep up with your obsession to criticize owner, GM and Barnes.

    • Whenever you make a coherent argument, please flag it. Your only line of defense seems to be to attack people you disagree with. Maybe others here can support you in your defense of Barnes, Myers, and Lacob, etc. I’d like to see it.

      • you are so used to having worst owner, GM and coach for the team, when the script is flipped, you are unable to come to terms to it.

        Nope,I didn’t attack you, you asked for list of Myers accomplishment and you got it and then you are one who attacked me with insults then playing the victim.

        Enjoy the rest of the day, I am out.

  53. Moto and the “Hat” @50

    First (Moto) have a look at Hat and WMC’s language and you’ll get what I mean. I don’t engage people this way–it’s puerile and vengeful to say the least. Many have expressed the mistaken view that I’m just trying to be negative and nitpicking. That’s absolutely not the case. First of all, if you, Hat, and WMC are truly worried about negativity, what the hell are you doing on this site? Felbot is the most relentlessly negative b-ball blogger among any that I know. Also, rgg and the way he’s treated Harry, for example, is pretty disgusting but I don’t hear a peep from anyone about that. Ever. And take a look at Hat, who can be as nasty and childish as they come.

    You have an obscurantist style so I’ll have to guess what you mean: no, I don’t think that my departure will produce less of an echo chamber and more of a critical (does not mean negative) approach. I’ve sized up the type of people contributing to this blog and realized that, for the most part, very few are interested in such a thing.

    I’ve asked–even begged–on multiple occasions for people to explain to me why exactly my critique of Feltbot’s lazy arguments, nonsensical “reasoning,” constant contradictions, cherry picking, rhetorical tricks and absurdly inappropriate use of meaningless “evidence” is either wrong, misguided, or whatever. All I get is silence or insults. No one has ever tried to explain to me why I was wrong, partially right, or anything substantive at all, which is unbelievable.

    The most obvious reason for this is that no one has anything of use to counter what I’m saying. Also, do note that I was referring to WMC when I made the comment about Felt relying on people with short memories and poor analytical skills. But it does apply to anyone who accepts whatever Felt writes without question and refuses to even consider possible objections. And do also note that many of the most frequent contributors most certainly fall into this category

    Another reason is that people would rather shoot the messenger than deal with the truth. I knew that no one would be able to answer my challenge to WMC because I was right. And the fusillade of insults is typical here as well.

    I will ask again:

    Does anyone think that Feltbot’s “proof” that Kerr is blowing it based on a comparison of how the W’s did against the Heat in years past has any legitimacy whatsoever? If so, why and how?

    Does anyone deny that, by clear implication, Felt was positively comparing Mark Jackson to Steve Kerr based on this? If so, why and how?

    I told WMC I’d only hear the crickets chirping but I admit I was wrong. What I will hear are more ad hominem insults hurled in my direction by Feltbot loyalists with no substance attached.

    Just watch…

    • Felty exaggerates but when he is right makes for good reading when he is wrong like this statement, you go like what ??

      ““Lacob inherited, it should now be obvious to all, a playoff core.”

      Lacob inherited dysfunction plus Curry.

  54. Muchos kudos for that Genesis link RGG. I knew nothing about this and I just spent 15 very enjoyable minutes looking at these frame by frame. Crazy bedfellows that somehow work perfectly together. I tried to look at this on my phone earlier but couldn’t read the print, and wasn’t sure if it was Crumb-inspired satire or serious. I was temporarily dissappointed when I saw it was all in earnest, but the artwork renders all that mute. This man was a mad Genius.

    One of my favorite exercise as a kid was summarizing a parable on Control Paper, and then illustrating it..

    This is a crazy, crazy world RGG and something came to the forefront of my mind today out of the crevices. I have to let this out and hope u read &enjoy it
    A long time ago I worked at Macys Union Square as an evening stock clerk. From anywhere to an hour, up to occassionaly 2 hours out of my 4 hr shift, I would stroll around union square, thru the tunnel into Chinatown, up or down Market St, or thru the Tenderloin. So I got to meet some locals and recognized quite a few faces. One face stood out for its singularity, even on 1980s Market St. It belonged to a guy who sat on the concrete, on a tattered blanket, barefoot and dressed in rags, cross-legged Yogi style, for hours on end. He was a very frail looking specimen and I would watch him for 2 or 3 minutes straight and he would not flinch. Usually his eyes were closed, and people would leave coins on the blanket, but he never acknowledged them or touched the $. I can honestly say i only saw this guy move a body part once. He was a very interesting, and nameless face for me for a quite a while

    One day there was an article, I believe in the Chron, not the Examiner(although the Examnr was a legit paper back then), in the Datebook/style section. A photo accompanied it and I recognized him the second I saw it. I inhaled the article and what an article! He was one of Robert Crumbs’ brothers. I remember he had a very unique name (Atleon?), and the article went into the Crumb family and all its dysfunction. But the article was really about this brother. He suffered from some sort of social disorder/anxiety that prevented him from fitting into everyday society, and at one point almost starved himself to death, but was befriended by a lady who helped him regain a tenuous foothold on reality, and she became his one and only, and best, friend. Anyway, he lived in or on the fringes of the Tenderloin and led an extremely spartan life, from his apartment (there was another pic- no f rniture) to his almost non-existent diet. But what really blew me away was the reason he gave for sitting on the street. It was for (this is all pretty hazy, but i recall the gist of it) a type of “penance for his sins” or even a type of retribution for Karmic debt. It was the over-riding and dominant theme of his existence and a life-long struggle for him. The $ didn’t figure.

    Of course this made me watch him a bit closer becuz someone this extreme is either 100% right or theyre absolutlely bonkers. One day he got up (he did take the change), and started to hoof it up Market st in his bare feet. So I followed him, past the Cable car turnaround, past 6th ST, and when he veered off Market I said screw it and jogged up to him.
    In a moment of serendipity the little tidbit from the article that he was an avid hiker(!) and coneissuer of little known bayarea hiking spots flashed thru my mind, and i blurted out if he could recommend a nice hike! He stopped and turned to me (likeI said he was not an intimidating figure) and I got seriously spooked looking into his eyes. He was not a normal person. Something was gone or just somewhere else. Or maybe he had something no one else had. But in a measured, even monotone voice he told me in some detail of a hike he just took on Mt. Tam. I thanked him and he just silently continued his sholess peregrination into the TL.
    I actually jogged back to work becuz some of his “directions” were pretty cryptic and I needed to write this down. As i wrote I just got more confused and ended up drawing a map becuz I knew the general area(Alpine Dam/Lake) and he mentioned some pretty specific landmarks. Me and my best friend/hiking buddy took the map and tried to find the start of the trail, but never did. But there alot of nice hikes starting at the dam so it was always fun regardless. I’m 95% sure I still have that map and Chron article in one of my boxes of of invaluable “junk”. I’m pretty sure that Crumb is long gone.
    Dubs up 8 late 3rd. Bogut just got his obligatory moving screen.

    • More later. This last game got me turning to religion, in fact I almost missed MJax. I can’t believe Gentry signed off on this offense.

    • Wow, this night has put me in a R Crumb mood. I discovered him in underground comics, back in the ’70s, from my oldest brother, who was in touch with many things. Biblical times, after all, were wild in their own way. R. Crumb may be the best to capture them.

      Watch the movie Crumb, if you haven’t seen it, dir. by Terry Zwigoff. Netflix has it. One or both of his brothers is in it.

      Crumb also participated in a group called the Cheap Suit Serenaders (see below). And he also did the illustrations for this party record:

      WARNING: this is XXXXX, and offensive on every front.

      While a student in Berkeley, I went to the Berkeley Square, a story in itself—Bobby Seale once hung out there, I heard, and would show his pistol—to hear the Cheap Suit Serenaders, but Crumb wasn’t there and the lead singer was strung out on something and they had trouble getting him going. Zwigoff was there, however, and I think played mandolin.

      (Wow, I’m in a foul mood tonight after the last few games. If anyone trolls me, I will unload.)

    • Great story, rzz. Where was the hike? Kent trail?

      And yes—42-9! Hard to care about the individuals sometimes. The team is magic.

      • I kent trail is the one that starts at the left of the dam, back to the lake, yes!

        • If Kent..

        • Yes, that’s it. Awesome area.

          • I need to clarify this cause its bothering me. I f u stand on the right end of the dam, back to the water, U can go down left or skirt the water on the right. This “magic trail” was somewhere to the right and upslope over the lake not down to the established left trail. Maybe I need dig out the map tho cuz im gettin confused!
            Yes awesome!

          • Try Googling it. I can’t quite picture where you’re standing. I’m confused too! There are several ways to cover that area but you go through redwoods and clearings. Lots of deer paths. The other way you pass these huge granite rocks The Crumbs guy probably dosed a few too many times up there. Or maybe not enough. (Maybe you’re thinking of Bon Tempe dam at the other end of Alpine?)

          • Hey Mary
            The trail we’d usually end up on is shadyside trail that goes down to the shallow lakes with all the dead trees in em. But Crrumb was fairly specific that it was the other way ,towards Kent trail and across from the damned up lake, off Alpine rd. We’d park at the shadyside turnout/trailhead right next to the dam and walk a quarter mile or so up Alpine rd, but no trail. He cited stuff across the lake but we never saw it..

  55. That Fumblin, bumbling and stumbling conclusion was a fitting capper to this 3 game stretch. I guess the important thing is that all 3 games resulted in wins, but man, the team looks like they need a break from each other and should just go fishing or do something else for a week. Maybe it’ll recharge them.

  56. Wulves—

    Work reared its ugly head again, and I missed the first half. Someone please fill me in.

    My first disappointment is that they didn’t rest Green just as a precautionary move, but also just to see if they could do it.

    My second disappointment was returning to see some of the most constipated offense we’ve seen this season. This is a brilliant team, with possibilities. That Steph and Klay were off is not surprising. But they have other options, not pursued. Instead they are building the team and strategy around marginal players.

    2 shots for Lee. What on earth is Kerr doing? Did Gentry sign off on this?

    Playing cautious, playing big seems to be his first priority. Bogut himself said the test for a player is how well he keeps his opponent to his averages. Pekovic got 13 boards and 17 points. His season average is 7 boards and 13 points. They have run circles around this big stiff in the past.

    Time for a break. I don’t know what this staff is doing.

    • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

      This staff is WINNING. It is blatantly obvious that rgg has never played basketball. STOP whining!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The objective is to win games not please rgg. They are doing a mighty fine job of it.

    • You need to forget the disappointment word for a few days. 42-9!

    • giving heavy minutes to bogut and green exposed the marketing hype about the team’s exceptional depth and a second starting team on the bench. the coaches don’t buy it, anyway, unwilling to trust anyone but those two to police the paint and mind the boards. for the other so- called strong rebounders, barnes saw less than half the game, speights was < 20 min.

      in a handful of previous games, it appeared that they might be trying to establish livingston and lee as a relief core, but neither reached 14 min. last night.

  57. You didn’t miss much. I didn’t see too much but youre probly lucky you missed it becuz of your propensity for dwelling on the glass full.
    Honestly this team has been so consistently good all season that its been bound to catch up with them. Just think of Warrios teams over the last 20 years and how up and down- ususlly down- they’ve been. This hasn;t been a bad spate of games to scuffle – against bad to wins, collect the wins, and re-group now w/ the break. I would expect the Warriors to come out sharp for the SA home game out of the ALL-S break, judging by their season so far.

  58. what was the betting line for this game ? suspect it was more than 3. with 27 to 9 free throw attempts, the officials did a masterful job getting the upset.

  59. Not even a sardonic tweet on the game, Feltbot? Did you get a chance to see it?

  60. The Wolves are giving up 106 points a game this season. The Warriors scored 94 last night. The Wolves are averaging 97 points a game. The Warriors held them to 91. This is stellar defense?

    Meanwhile, last season against the Wolves, David Lee averaged 24 points per game at high efficiency, 32/45 for the 3 games, 71%. He also averaged 10 boards. They didn’t need those last night? Instead, Kerr pushed his starters into heavy minutes, 36 for Green, who at the least had a tender ankle.

    Maybe Klay and Steph are off, but they are carrying the burden of the offense without reliable scorers to go to. Knowing they have help on the offensive end, however, will take some of the pressure off. And a versatile player will give them more options.

    Make whatever adjustments you like, last season (Wolves with Love) and this, the Wolves injuries, etc. They are still a mediocre team the Warriors once again made look good.

    What the hell is Kerr doing?

    • Wolves averages you mention are for different team, ie. without Pek, Rubio and Martin for most of the year. Those numbers don’t reflect the team.

    • warriorsablaze

      Good read… complain all you want about some of the mistakes Lacob and Co. have made along the way, but despite that we have a truly special team… I have to wonder if there has ever been an NBA team with better locker room chemistry than ours? Winning helps, of course.

      One of my favorite aspects of Curry is that he brings all the jaw-dropping flash of the street game without the false bravado garbage. Just a pure killer instinct hidden beneath his unassuming confidence.

  61. One possibly interesting development in last nights game. In the (rather few) minutes that Lee and Speights played together, I thought I saw a zone defense. Others can confirm or deny, if they have the courage to rewatch.

    One thing that is undeniably impressive about this Warriors teams is that they haven’t dropped any of the trap games that great teams invariably drop in the course of a long season. Like the last game of a long road trip, right before All Star break.

    A sign of a team with great character and strength of will, as well as talent.

    • “A sign of a team with great character and strength of will, as well as talent.”


    • Felt, I observered the same with zone defense. What are your thoughts on Livingston, thought he was effective yesterday, perhaps the sign of how he will be used in playoffs.

    • Maybe Tennyson can write a poem about them.

      • lol. I don’t think we’re quite at defcon “Charge of the Light Brigade” yet.

        You’re like a great character out of fiction, rgg. I’m thinking…

        “Good morning, Pooh Bear,” said Eeyore gloomily. “If it is a good morning,” he said. “Which I doubt,” said he.
        “Why, what’s the matter?”
        “Nothing, Pooh Bear, nothing. We can’t all, and some of us don’t. That’s all there is to it.”
        “Can’t all what?” said Pooh, rubbing his nose.
        “Gaiety. Song-and-dance. Here we go round the mulberry bush.”

        Seriously, buddy, you ok?

        • Never thought I’d hear that from you. I’m fine. But I am utterly baffled by what we’ve seen. I assume you’ll get your hand out of the honey jar soon and set us straight.

          • I’m baffled by some of the same things you are, but there are limits to how much I can obsess over victories in a 42-9 season. Particularly a victory in what was obviously a meaningless game, at the end of a road trip, right before the All-Star break, mid-winter, in Minneapolis.

            I’m actually astonished the Warriors won this game, and literally all such games this season. And think it points to something remarkable in their character and makeup. Steve Kerr has had a hand in that, too.

            Even if Steve Kerr doesn’t do every last thing we would wish him to, even if the Warriors don’t ultimately get that ring, there are things to celebrate this season.

            I’m enjoying it. Are you?

          • Actually, the season is kind of unsettling to me simply because of its ambiguity and because of how much the landscape has changed, in only a year or two. They’ve muddled through games against weak teams. They have also show brilliance. But almost all their opponents have had problems of varying sorts, injuries, sheer badness etc. It’s hard to know what we’ve got. There’s no way they have this record any of the last seasons. That’s why a handful of games deserve our attention. And if what we’ve seen lately is preparation for the playoffs, I have concerns, repeated here often. Going out in two will be a disappointment. The way the NBA is now, they can make a run.

  62. Went back and looked at the ppp figures Felt cited for his Lee/Green/Iggy/Curry/Thompson lineup, above. It works out to a point differential (per 100 possessions) of +26.3. As Felt pointed out, that was last year’s crunch time lineup.

    Those are some completely dominating results, especially for crunch time, while running last year’s Mark Jackson offense, which I think we can all agree wasn’t as effective as this year’s O (check the record…).

    For comparison, this year’s starting lineup has delivered a point differential (per 100 possessions) of +11.2. That’s still awesome, but almost 60% less effective.

    It’s all about point differential.

    With Lee playing C, the Ws go 5-on-5 on offense. With Bogut, it’s more like 4-on-5. Yes, having an excellent rim defender is a plus, but even Ron Adams has said he’s pleased with Lee’s improvement on D – and even last year, without Adams’ help, Lee anchoring the offense got absolutely incredible results.

    Any wonder why Felt wants David Lee on the floor with the first unit? No one is arguing to bench Bogut. He’s a great defensive center, and a good guy to start. But check the numbers. To win games, play the lineup with the best proven results.

    Right again, Felt.

    • Hat,

      Agree, except that Lee doesn’t look the same. Something is wrong with him, more than role or system. He looks like he regressed to me.

      • warriorsablaze

        Kerr has a dilemma with Lee right now. Based on history, yes, this is the killer line-up, but Lee has been garbage since coming back. You can discuss misuse and optimization and such, but his play has fallen beyond such excuses more games than not.

        He’s likely struggling — as Iggy did early in the season — with his new role alongside less talented players… which is fair, but how can Kerr trust him in critical situations when his actual play this season has show him to be untrustworthy?

        You all want Harrison Barnes to earn his minutes, well, Lee needs to do the same. Step up and make an impact that doesn’t involve turnovers, missed layups, and defensive lapses and you’ll see your role increase. I’m expecting (hoping) Lee to round into shape over the second half of the season and find himself an impactful role as we head into the playoffs. He’s too much of a pro and team player to not.

        • I’m not sure where the meme that Lee has been garbage this year is coming from, other than the fact that he’s missed some layups, and been completely marginalized in Kerr’s offense.

          Despite missing said bunnies, he’s somehow shooting 49%, and has a rebound rate of 10.6 per 36. (Green 9.3, Barnes 7.1). Lee has an overall FFI per 36 of 38. Yes, that’s 38th in the league across the 8 major statistical categories.

          Green’s FFI per 36: 36th

          Barnes FFI per 36: 220th.

          “Earning” minutes does not appear to be at the top of Kerr’s mind when choosing between Barnes and Lee. He has other concerns.

          Just keeping it real.

          • felt, I will observe Lee more closely from next game. One thing I can tell you and as shows, he is net negative as C unlike previous years.

            Lee;s rebounding can’t be compared to Barnes, who plays mostly as SF this year. But, 7.1 per 36 mins is impressive for Barnes, I didn’t realize that.

        • WAB, how to say this nicely: your eyes might be lying.

          David Lee offensive stats

          2013-14: .42 points per min., eFG% 52.4
          2014-15: .39 points per min., eFG% 48.2

          That sure doesn’t look like much of an offensive dropoff, especially when playing almost exclusively with the 2nd unit, sharing frontline scoring duties with Speights.

          On D, even Ron Adams says he’s please with Lee’s improvement. So far this season, Lee’s averaging .7 blocks per game in under 20 minutes. His career average is .4 in 32 minutes of playing time. Blocks aren’t proof of good D, of course, but they ain’t nothin’, and for Lee? DAVID Lee?!?! BLOCKS, are you kiddin’ me? No, Lee has done just fine on D. After all, he shares “rim D” duties with Speights, who’s never met a defensive rotation he could handle.

          Eyes lie sometimes.

        • Lee’s competition for PF minutes is stiff. He is competing with Green, Speights and Barnes, all having good season in PF minutes they get. He is bad at C. But, team would need him to be that consistent contributor off bench as is evident Green needs rest and team needs consistent scorer off bench.

          • “He is bad at C.”

            Harry, please ref the stats. They say Lee is INCREDIBLY AWESOME at C. Whether you believe it or not.

    • WheresMyChippy

      +1 :)

    • warriorsablaze

      An important lesson dropped in the second-to-last paragraph. Particularly for our resident joyless curmudgeon:

      “When we treat it like problem-solving rather than something we’re supposed to have fun watching and discussing, we’re selling ourselves short.”

      How sad it will be if the Warriors do manage to go the distance that some of you will have spent the entire season gnashing teeth about what’s not perfect while completely missing all the amazing parts.

      • WAB. I hope my posts don’t seem to put me in the teeth-gnashing crew. I’m a friggin’ sunshine boy compared to some here.

        Like Steve Kerr, I’m a fan of great basketball. Curry and others are on board with that too – in post-game interviews, Curry has often spoken of how much better the team can be.

        Love the team, overjoyed with their record. They say they can be better. I agree.

        • warriorsablaze

          Oh don’t get me wrong…. the team isn’t perfect and there’s nothing wrong with trying to find ways to improve the team and minimize weaknesses. Nothing at all wrong with pointing out and discussing these things. Complacency isn’t an option when the goal is a championship.

          That said, if all you can muster is sorrow after a 42-9 start, it’s probably best you find a new interest, as this one will clearly never bring joy.

  63. @WheresMyChippy and/or WheresMyChip,

    I just picked up on your response @50–didn’t see it until just now.

    I have to keep my word about getting off this blog….!

    • Wanna make some cash?

      Felt earlier said he’d be willing to bet anyone that by the All Star break (I believe) Draymond (33.0%) would have a higher 3pt percentage than HBarnes (43.2%). He essentially guaranteed this would happen.

      He won’t bet with me but maybe if you hurry up you can get in on some action with the gambling man!

      P.S. he might have said by the New Year–so apologies if so…

  64. Livermore @40 and Myers performance—

    The answer to your question has appeared here many times before, and in answering you I run the risk of sending Hat into an apoplectic fit and getting more of his attempts at censorship and personality attacks. But I’ll do it once more.

    The problem, of course, is knowing who to give credit to in this organization. It is a team of sorts, but Lacob has made it clear he has a heavy, if not deciding, say. I believe, for example, Myers was on the fence about the Love trade, but correct me here. But let’s assume Myers, from his days as assistant up to the present, had a role in the major decisions and give him credit or blame.

    First, make a list of all the oneway players who have come and gone, players, who if drafted intelligently, might be contributing now. It is long. Just go back to rosters the past years and look at the names.

    Make a list of all the point guards who have come and gone as well and realize we don’t have one now, not even a hopeful prospect. The defense of Livingston, who is expensive, baffles me, and his critics don’t seem to watch the games or study analysis. Like Barnes, he has to have an expensive complement around him to be moderately effective. He has to play with other facilitators and is stretching their minutes. More often than not, he plays off the ball and cannot be said to be a PG at all. The ultimate test, of course, will be to see if he can lead the starters without Curry as effectively as Augustin has with a depleted lineup. We know the answer here.

    Was it Myers who decided that Bazemore would be a good backup point guard? Dumped him for Blake? We know how that worked out, and how much it stretched Curry’s minutes.

    Green was a Riley find, probably another compromise player in their thinking, more a defensive than offensive performer. I feel pretty safe in saying no one anticipated what a tremendous player he is. But give Myers credit. Yet tell me, too, why he didn’t push for more minutes for a player who showed ability his first season, whose minutes were going to Barnes.

    Barnes was a Lacob pick, who was selected for his character and supposed potential, but let’s assume Myers had a hand. Barnes’ college performance and scouting performances weren’t promising at all. But if I go any further, the fanboys will call me a Barnes hater, as you have seen.

    Bogut did not come as billed. Myers said it and Bogut said it himself, that he was going to provide an inside offensive presence for an inside out game that hasn’t materialized. Then look at the many games he has missed all along and tell me you have confidence he’ll be able to perform in his now limited role this season and the next two.

    The Ellis/Bogut trade was incredibly expensive. Nor were any other options for an Ellis trade considered, Ellis who, finally with a good team, is performing well. This trade sends everyone into fits because they’re tired of it, however, and I will abstain.

    I’m sure he worked his butt off dumping Biedrins and Jefferson and their expensive contracts. He’s probably good working the phones, give him credit. But what an extraordinary piece of luck he had in making an unprecedented deal. But tell me why he didn’t push to amnesty Biedrins in the first place, an obvious dud. Then remember who the first choice was that season, Dwight Howard. What was his thinking there?

    Let’s hope Iguodala returns to form and stays healthy for the rest of his contract. But why weren’t other options considered, given their considerable, sudden wealth? Timing is everything. We watched good players go by. And if Bogut and Iguodala don’t hold out, the deal is a bust.

    Look at the wasted roster spots this season, players who will never help the team, who have taken the place of others who might have been useful: Nedovic, Kuzmic, and Rush, his 15 minute study, a bust.

    Speights, a former client I believe, was drafted as a backup 4, where he’s out of position. Kerr has finally found a use for him.

    Holiday looked promising but isn’t being played now. We have to wonder if, at his age, he hasn’t reached his ceiling. At any rate, he isn’t PG material.

    His best choices, Jack and Landry, best show the weaknesses of the organization. Both have limitations, but both gave the team what it needed, what it lacks now, a workable backup 4 and PG. It was enough to take the team two rounds into the playoffs. But they were one year rentals who could not be retained. Nor was anyone brought up to replaced them.

    Which brings us to the major weakness of the salary cap. It is bloated and tight, and does not allow for making even minor acquisitions that might help this season without going into heavy tax. The situation will be even worse in the years to come.

    There are no good prospects on the team, or even the means of acquiring them.

    While we’re at it, what was Myers input on selecting Jackson as coach? Did he voice his concerns about a good supporting staff? Did he give any input on how he coached offense?

    What I most want to hear is the thinking that went behind all these choices, good and bad, so we can understand how Myers thinks and how his thinking aligns with the designs of the coaches. If he doesn’t have a good grasp of the game, of the team, of its potential, his choices will not be good. I can’t find it, other than what I said above. Harry ducked out, but I wish someone could explaining the thought behind his decisions so we can make better evaluation. Maybe I missed something. Whenever I read Myers here, he doesn’t sound like he knows what he’s talking about.

    • “what it lacks now, a workable backup 4 and PG…”

      Backup 4s: Lee, Speights, Iggy, Barnes. That’s a lot of backup 4s.

      Backup PGs: Iggy, Livingston

      Livingston admittedly hasn’t adapted to the role of PG in a motion offense, but it’s hard to see how Myers could have predicted how inflexible Livingston would turn out to be. He’s a multi-year, multi-team pro, he should have learned to adapt to different systems by now.

      “What I most want to hear is the the thinking that went behind…”

      Not going to happen. Felt doesn’t discuss his hand at the table, Myers won’t discuss trade and acquisition decisions at the level of detail that would satisfy your curiosity.

    • Hmmm, fire Myers, he has done such a horrible job.

      • “The Ellis/Bogut trade was incredibly expensive. Nor were any other options for an Ellis trade considered, Ellis who, finally with a good team, is performing well. This trade sends everyone into fits because they’re tired of it, however, and I will abstain.”

        That is the best deal they could get according to Nellie. There you have insider answer to atleast one question.

        • “Holiday looked promising but isn’t being played now. We have to wonder if, at his age, he hasn’t reached his ceiling. At any rate, he isn’t PG material.”

          I am sure Myers have nothing to do with getting Holiday.

          • Last one.

            “There are no good prospects on the team, or even the means of acquiring them.”

            Curry, Klay, Green, Barnes, Holiday and Ezeli are all below 26 years of age.

  65. If ya haven’t seen it, this may cheer you up a little RGG. From the not-so-old good ol ‘days:

    Draymond takin on Bird would be entertaining. Of course he’d probably get roasted ..

  66. The Game of the Century


    Bobby Fischer Plays Small Ball

    Bobby Fischer, black, played Donald Byrne, white, in the Rosenwald Memorial, a top U.S. tournament at the time. If you want to step through the game yourself, go here:

    I have also provided a 2 minute YouTube of the game, below (turn off the music).

    And pause the YouTube at :45. What you’ll see is that Fischer has left his queen exposed, about a quarter of his strength, ready to be taken. You don’t have to know anything but the basics of chess to follow this, and that a beginner’s worst fear is if you lose your queen, your most powerful (and most vulnerable) piece, you are screwed.

    And Fischer allows his queen to be taken.

    Their power, their pieces are even before the capture. But everyone who has studied this game says that Fischer, after sacrificing his queen, has absolute control and a forced victory. Why? Because his pieces are developed and he has control of the board.

    Then run the tape and watch it like a sports replay. Note how his minor pieces are in position, and how well they come out, how well he coordinates them in the attack to win the game. (Byrne’s mistake was moving his queen twice, losing a step in development, and not castling in time.)

    A noted critic dubbed this The Game of the Century. Fischer was 13 at the time.

    Of course I’m suggesting a bball comparison. But this is my point of view with the team, on this blog. While everyone else is sniping at each other or sucking up to their idols, I just want to sit back and be absorbed in brilliance. And hope some of the more capable minds can explain it to me, what I might miss and not understand.

    • Thanks for posting this rgg, and I like the analogy. I will relish later this evening, whilst sipping ambrosia.

      • Absolutely step through the game, using the link above. Put yourself in Byrne’s position and realize how trapped you are when Fischer makes his first check. If you have any insights, I’d be curious to hear them.

        What I most want to know is how soon Fischer set this up and anticipated the end. My guess is—and I’m not that smart and don’t know enough about chess—that he first planned to develop his pieces then see what happened, when the opportunity presented itself. Fischer has annotated other games, but not this one.

        There are other games, but I’m not sophisticated enough to follow them. It is such a dramatic demonstration of position and coordination, however, easy at least to observe, even if you don’t understand all that went behind it.

        • fischer also played some memorable games against the older brother Robert Byrne, a considerably stronger player (the younger was ranked as an international master, the older a grandmaster. a grandmaster probably doesn’t commit one of the key blunders that donald did, not that Robert fared any better vs. fischer in their matches). donald was extremely popular in the u.s. chess community of the cold war era, a diplomat of the game and captain of the national team in the chess olympiad, at times acting as fischer’s buffer. at a chess olympics in Havana, in the mid-60s when official diplomatic contact was nil [for those not familiar with the modern game’s history, one of the immortals of chess was from Cuba, long before Castro’s revolution], despite the well known fact that fischer would never play on Saturdays (sabado, or sabbath, en espanol) the tournament officials somehow scheduled him to play on that day. byrne’s diplomacy saved the games, earning him Castro’s gratitude. when byrne died at a young age from lupus, fischer ended his participation on the team. byrne would later say about this ‘game of the century’, he would probably have resigned the game at an earlier move, facing a more experienced opponent, and didn’t hope to extend it to a draw, but wanted to give the younger, not yet famous, player the full satisfaction of mate.

          your comment about piece development is at the heart of why the strongest computer chess program can no longer be beaten (draw is the likely best result) by humanoids. each move dictates every following potential move by all pieces on the board. the computer can access a greater number of potential sequences and analyze more outcomes within the finite amount of time that structures a chess match. fischer was astounding at a young age because he was able to extrapolate and analyze outcomes far beyond the games he’d played, observed, or studied.

          • Thanks moto. I wondered why Byrne played the game to the end when it soon became obvious he had lost. And I am grateful, because I wouldn’t have seen Fischer’s advantage otherwise. I can’t think of a more dramatic and obvious demonstration of how much position and strategy (really the same thing) matter.

            You are obviously out of my league. I’m not at all clear why or when Byrne’s mistakes, which for me would have been minor procedural matters, became fatal. But Byrne was dead in the water early in the game, after the queen sacrifice. Yet, as I recall, everyone in the room was surprised, not least of whom Byrne, and Hans Kmoch’s declaration of “Game of the Century” was not casual.

            The general principle and point of my comparison is that strategy, positioning, control of space, and coordination of players matter over the course of a game. Making analogies with playoff games, when the competition is stiffer, would take us to Fischer’s other games, where he might maneuver ten moves to gain the advantage of a pawn or or some extra space. These games are beyond me.

        • my preliminary thoughts after reviewing the moves a couple of times, and before looking at expert analyses —
          byrne at the outset plays as if he’s overconfidently ignoring some basic principles. before too long, he has squandered white’s advantage of the initial move. compare fischer’s early preparation to put his king’s bishop on one of the two long diagonals which sets up castling, with how much later bryne moves his e-pawn.[impossible to develop the king’s bishop without moving either the e or g pawn first, of course]. by the time he’s developed his king’s bishop, the game has progressed too far to spare him a move to use for castling. his king wouldn’t be left in the center for those initial checks if he’d taken care of castling early in the game as fischer did.

          overconfidence seems to be the simplest explanation for bryne’s initial decision, to develop his queen before that king’s bishop, which is contrary to fundamentals. if you’re going to do something brilliant tactically with that queen, then retarding your defense (opportunity to castle) might be justifiable. if you postpone castling, you need to be confident you can find a move to accomplish it later, or attack so effectively the opponent can’t attack your center where your king is left exposed. meanwhile, fischer isn’t just developing his pieces and the space they control, he’s taking the initiative of moves away from byrne.

          fischer turns brynes’ decision to develop his queen very early as the moment to take the initiative away from white. bryne didn’t set up pawns to restrict the center squares (an early move of the e pawn is common to many standard openings because it exerts that control while also freeing the king’s bishop), leaving the white queen open to a pawn’s assault. fischer has begun an attack that forces the white queen into defensive moves and isolates it on the periphery, helping free his own queen for the sacrifice.

          the sacrifice itself (which gains only material for white, nothing in terms of expanding control either offensively or defensively) frees a move for fischer to push his bishop into an attacking position, which consolidates his control over the game. he does not neglect to leave his king just enough defense and space to diffuse bryne’s feeble looking counterattacks.

          • Fischer, I understand, was a risk taker who played to win, not a given among many players who were more conservative and gained from that behavior. I do admire this. And for all practical purposes I think we can say he was crazy, or went crazy.

          • +10 moto, precise and poetic.

          • I’m not sure what Byrne had in mind by developing his queen early, but the fatal move in my opinion was Qc5 when threatened by the knight. This move was like a player ill-advisedly hunting an offensive rebound. The rest is back-pedaling against the inevitable fastbreak dunk.

            A simple retreat to d3 seems so much better.

          • It’s hard to believe Byrne didn’t have a plan in bringing out his queen. After all, he violates one of the most basic rules in chess, bringing your queen out early. But I can’t speak from knowledge or authority. But the point for me is how quickly and devastatingly Fischer exploits the weakness. If you stop at the move when Fischer leaves his queen exposed, I wonder how many masters could figure out the same. The answer comes from his being able to see the whole board and having all his pieces in position to take control. There has to be a basketball analogy here.

            Searching for Bobby Fischer is a good movie, btw, about a chess prodigy in NYC. My favorite scene in the movie is below. The boy’s teacher is concerned about the time he’s spending with this chess thing, and his father, a sports writer, played by Joe Mantegna, fires back:

  67. According to the Utah sports writers, Enes Kantner is being shopped. I agree with Felt to offer Barnes. The Utah writers thought The Jazz want a Wing that can handle plus a replacement big to take Kantners minutes. Perhaps they will want Livingston plus Ezeli. Other teams will bid Kantner up.

    • That would be very, very cool. Imagine Kanter, already with a nasty attitude, learning at Bogut’s knee.

    • I’d be surprised if the Warriors mess with the chemistry on this team, I think they leave 42-9 alone and take their chances with this roster the rest of the way. I do think they’d welcome back Jermaine O’Neal for the stretch run and playoffs if he expressed a desire to return to GSW. My offseason prediction is they go hard after Greg Monroe who will be an UFA.

      • Oh Jeez, anyone but Monroe. The Warriors have to look at future seasons as well this season and Boguts health profile. (I also think the Warriors core and coaches could handle a Kantner trade just fine.)

  68. Curry profile:

    I can now cite Curry’s authority that it is “handle” not the oh so grating “handles.”

    • Maybe if he had more than one handle, he’d turn the ball over less often. ;)

    • hello felty… been a long while since I last commented. Just want to say your writing and analysis has been superb! Recently took a job running a portion of a software and in the process of talking with VC’s again. third time around.
      good on ya mate.
      (not aussie, but it sounded good)
      Oh and thank the lord… it appears longtimer has moved on!!!!

  69. Jerry West is dismayed by the Warriors recent play. (Doesn’t he realize they’re 42-9? Shame. )

    There is a player who can give the Warriors what West thinks they lack. Who can attack the basket, who can draw fouls, and make his free throws. But he’s had his system taken away, and been benched and marginalized.

    Just saying.

    • Maybe you do Jerry a disservice by assuming he doesn’t have his reasons?

      • I thought I was agreeing with him! (The parenthesis was meant as sarcasm.)

        • I got that part but I read the rest as you didn’t think he saw DLee in the right light. Or that he didn’t have enough input with Kerr. Maybe my brain is too tired to be reading.

        • Maybe he would agree with me about DLee, and wishes he had more input with Kerr?

          • I vote yes on both counts! Kerr’s probably not listening to anyone as much as he would like everyone to think.

          • What a surprise that you see West’s comments as validating your previously expressed opinions! :)

            Other things that Feltbot sees as confirmation that he’s right about [fill in blank]…
            — The sun rising in the east
            — The phases of the moon
            — Cold weather in February
            — Etc., etc.

          • Unlikely, West always want two way players, Lee is not.

    • I’m not at all sold West is up to date.

    • I heard West’s interview today. He was upbeat about warriors and said something like defenses will make it tougher for Curry and Klay and others have to step up in the second half. Overall, he is upbeat about warriors.

    • For me, the most illuminating things he said were the back court is set, and they’ve identified other areas where they need help to get to the next level to add a player either during the off season or even before the trade deal line. This is somewhat further than Meyers who’s said its our job to listen to offers. He mentioned defensive toughness earlier in the interview, so all this might be pointing to obtaining Kantner.

  70. Some quotes and facts regarding the West interview… the main thing he criticizes — repeatedly — are “quick shots” (4 times), “long shots”.

    The core quote:
    “If you watch us play, when we’re at our best we’re passing the ball. And when we’re at our worst — watching the last part of the game last night, there were way too many quick shots taken. And they’re taken by players you think are going to make them, but if they don’t make them it makes it very difficult to play defense. We almost gave another game away last night because of a lot of ill-advised shots that probably come because of the confidence of those players.”

    Asked about the Warriors not getting to the free-throw line, he comes back to the same theme:
    “I think an awful lot of it is shot selection, to be honest with you. Some of these quick shots, you’re not going to get fouled. They look good when they go in. Again if I had any criticism of this team it’s their unbelievable ability to think they can make all these shots.

    In the closing minutes of the Wolves games, Curry and Thompson took 9 of the Warriors’ final 12 shots (not counting a Bogut tip-in) — Klay was 1 for 5, and Steph 1 for 4. In particular, Curry was 0 for 3 on jump shots, *all* of which came on possessions where he dribbled and shot without passing.

    I’m not saying that everyone has to agree with West, but it’s clear that Curry and Thompson are the people he’s criticizing. So in context, when he talks about teams in the playoffs challenging and double-teaming those guys, I think he means Steph/Klay have to get better at using the attention they draw to set up teammates for easier shots. (IMO, this in particular is the next step in Klay’s development.)

    • What, Curry is supposed to stop taking that walk-up 3, one of the most effective and indefensible shots in the games? (Smart didn’t want him taking it either.)

      Jerry West may be one of the biggest drags on the team as it has tried to establish an identity the past five years. He has espoused a theory that goes against the talents of the team—a move away from shooting and pick and roll and dynamic play to front court dominance. This was said in the early years, repeated by Myers, is what Lacob wanted, and probably the reason he brought West on board, Lacob whose first and only priority was get big and defensive. Work the inside out game, and shooters will get open to pop.

      Such a theory goes against the talents of the team and their potential and the intelligence of the coaches. We’ve seen what they can do in a more dynamic system. The evidence is overwhelming, yet it is ignored. I don’t think West gets it.

      It also accounts for the string of offensively challenged big stiffs who have come and gone (start with Biedrins and Kwame Brown), one of whom still remains, as well as all the less tall one way players, all gone (but this is probably what they had in mind with Green).

      What the team has not done is pursue sizable two-way players who could open up the dynamics of the game. Speights is one exception, a bargain player who was available but who was an inadequate 4. The reason he didn’t get playing time at center is because of O’Neal, whom we all loved but was slow and could not score often enough or efficiently. And MJax may have had a mandate to go big. The other exception is David Lee, who has in effect been benched.

      The main problem with the Utah game is that they tried to play it as a defensive game, and they almost lost. What they lacked was real inside scoring and offensive tempo (see the Fischer game above). This is a team with phenomenal shooters. They have to shoot. Curtail them and this team has no chance. But there still have to be options and subtleties I won’t be able to work out here. What Klay and Steph most missed in the Utah game was any kind of option from a front court player, one who can shoot or roll or even post up. But also the offense never got going, and they didn’t run the plays that might have gotten them going or, worse, have the players to make those plays work had they tried. What matters is establishing an offensive rhythm that not only makes shooting easier but also builds leads and makes them count. But when you’re struggling and can’t find options and the game is on the line, you start launching because it’s the only shot you can find, and the pressure makes them harder to hit. (Nelson 101)

      So yes, let’s see if we can get another big stiff before the trade deadline and drag this team down only further.

      • The inside out strategy has also determined all the backup PG’s they’ve sought since the beginning, guys who can play control offense, who can slash and lay up or dish off to the big or kick out, none of whom have been good shooters. See Nedovic, the European Derrick Rose. They all don’t fit the talents of the team. They have all been busts.

      • The most obvious example of a two-way big who has made an impact is Pau Gasol, who has made Chicago a contender again. The Warriors have never sought a similar player and are marginalizing the one player they have who comes close.

    • West said his team shot very few 3’s, preferring to work the ball in for an easy shot. This was later in his career when both he and Goodrich averaged 26 PPP. Apparently he does not like DLee, as he mentioned adding defensive toughness in the front line for the Warriors to reach the next level, according to him.

      • “Apparently he does not like DLee, as he mentioned adding defensive toughness in the front line”

        Exactly, don’t understand how felt interpreted as otherwise.

        Was there 3PT shot, when West played ?

        • the 3 pt. shot was considered an a.b.a. abomination during the last part of west’s playing career, and didn’t get into the n.b.a. until he was in the LA front office. this is why thompson didn’t truly break gervin’s scoring record for a single quarter, because the ice man didn’t have the luxury of getting an extra point for the long ones. changes the defenses and shot selection of course, but if you saw the ice man play, he’d be even harder to stop with the defenses spread to counter the 3’s.

          • I almost recall the ABA being a different sport altogether when I was a kid Moto, real mavericks and characters like something out of a Western. But I remember Gervin alot better, him and “the Cat”, and last nite, while having the “priviledge” of sitting thru the USF Dons game in person(even went OT), my mind wandered near and far, and coincidentally Phil Smith came to mind, who in my opnion had some Ice and some Klay in him too. Hope to recap this game and thoughts on Phil (RIP) a lilttle later, as I got to meet him and have a nother boring story but rite now i’m outta here. Nice weekend all.

          • Thanks moto, for some history lesson there, impressive.

  71. Felty doesn’t want to trade David Lee
    for Love ( last year he would have given
    up both Thompson and lee for him), but
    says on twitter he’d trade Lee for Kanter.
    Are you ok Felty?

    Think Felty has a limited prism
    analyzing a game. He makes good
    points but find post no.10 more

    As for the terrorism in the Mideast
    the overwhelming evidence is that we
    Acting thru the Saudi’s and others
    created ISIL to cease oil wells in
    Syria and the so called Free Syrian
    Army to
    Syria’s government. Interesting
    Syria’s President Assad said at his
    March or April, 2013,Inaugural
    that the rebels were beheading
    people. Such was reported by the
    US press because both groups were
    our paramilitary forces. The
    Free Syrian Army, also beheaded
    people,but which President Obama
    falsely claims is a “moderate” group
    and Congress funds because
    the US still has the objective of
    Assad govt.

    Interesting that she paramilitary
    forces we sent to overthrow the Libya
    Govt all all had Mercedes trucks carrying
    Mounted machine guns. The same Mercedes
    Trucks with mounted machine are seen
    In ISIL films.

    Only when the US decided to overthrow
    iSIL the paramilitary force we created did
    and to transfer ceased Syrian oil wells to
    BP and US oil companies did the
    beheadings start to be reported in US.

    This is my view of events but since
    we We lack a true free press there’s
    no one can say with any certainty.

    But there is historical support
    for my view As Perter Dale Scott
    documented in On the Road to
    9-11 we created Al Quada
    as a paramilitary force in the
    90’s to disrupt the former Soviet
    republics. It should be no surprise
    that like ISIL Saudi Arabians funded
    9-11. Contained in classified and
    unpublished Congressional
    Report. Such should be released to
    public so we can see who funded
    9-11 and at who’s behest they did so.

    Such may well lead to the covert
    part of the US govt. for American
    officials to attend the funeral of a
    King who has authorized beheadings
    in his own country And where Saudi’s
    funded 9-11 is sickening.

    Focusing on religious extremism, whether
    Real or not, may just be a ruse to garner
    public support for widespread action and the
    Ultimate overthrow of the Assad govt.

    • Lots of truth in all this Frank, but the assertion that “we created Al Quada as a paramilitary force in the 90’s to disrupt the former Soviet
      republics” is as loaded a statement as “David Lee is the key to the Warriors” championship hopes. Some people may see it, others think its a very tenuous connection to the presemt

      I’m a kind of a morbid guy and brood alot over stuff like death, earthquakes, and climate change. And the incredibly mild winter in San Fran (and the Bay area) is really odd. Not only has there been only one night of frost indicating sub32* where i live, but for the first time in 20 years my dwarf Orinoco plantain is flowering, and setting fruit.It has without exception been frost damaged and the nubs black and slimy from the cold at this time of Feb every previous winter since planting, but not this year. Its not just that one. My poor mans rhodies, my goji berry plant, my Malaysian rhodies, all very green and thriving. Its all really standing out.
      I guess i can look on the bright side. I planted a Bacon Avocado tree 25 yrs ago and always wanted it to produce…

      Don’t wanna ruin anyones day here. Overall this is an experiment in humankind and we’re all part of it. I think there will be some massive changes in the next 10 years and am looking forward to it with something akin to car-wreck fascination. Sometimes things gotta get worse before anyone really gives a damn.
      Go Dubs

      • also a great post

      • rzz we have some personality ‘flaws’ in common. really enjoyed the anecdote about the crumb sibling — half expected it to have a cynical denouement, with your witnessing him going into a liquor store for a bottle of hooch and some cig’s.

        planted an avocado tree sprouted from a seed about ten or twelve years ago and it’s now around twenty feet high (we’re in a somewhat cooler part of oaktown, not fruitvale which used to be thriving with orchards). from conversing with a professional grower he convinced me it was virtually impossible for us to see fruit from a self germinated tree, because the commercial varieties have been sexually modified (from self pollinating hermaphroditic breeds into sterile hybrids), and get nursery grafts before becoming productive. none the less, last summer some tiny, inedible fruit appeared on our tree. presently it’s flowering pretty profusely.

        speaking of the grand social experiment we’re immersed in, in my childhood we were pretty proud (still are with the constant ‘greatest generation’ tributes) of beating the nazis and grabbing their rocket scientists and research for our space program and missile weapons. at present, die Deutche are the preeminent power in central and western europa. and nowhere is their racial purity trash better preserved and perpetuated than right here in the u.s.a.

        • mention of our nazi legacy, in tribute to Frank, should also include their dream of an independent Ukrainian state, to serve as a buffer between ‘western syphilisation’ and the ‘eastern/slavic hordes’.

        • Moto thats a fact. I orderded my BaconAvocadio tree from Gro Quest and its either Type “A” or “B”, don’t remember the diff, but basically self fertile. Its supposed to be a little cold hardier. I live by the beach in San Fran so it was always a risky pproposition, and now its 20 ft high and hogging the sun (when it ain’t foggy.) It always sets tiny flowers but loses them in the spring. I’m envious of your microclimate for this resaon, tho I like mine. Coastal SF is avery unique climate for gowing plants that will grow very few places in the US (ie my Goji. FYI-soak a seed. The viable seed sinks. Throw them in a pot. 2 or 3 will tower over the rest. Plant these. They’re deep rooted so don’t use a pot).
          i’ve alwaays had Avocado trees sprouting out my beds, unitended result of composting. Gotta yank ’em!

          • Sometimes I get to excited to reply and forget stuff Moto. But I just got a LOL on the hooch and cigs comment. But this guy didn’t need that stuff.
            By the way soak, I meant soak a Goji fruit, not seed. Oaktown may work. Took mine 4-5 years to fruit, and the fruits are a different animal fresh off the plant, of course certain birds love em, but its 15 yrs old and I’m proud of it. Never seen another one fruiting in a garden, but this being the bay, I’m sure there are.

    • Frank, you can’t have it both ways on covert info. Either it’s public, verified fact or it’s speculation. Citing a “classified and unpublished Congressional Report” is speculation. “Saudi Arabians funded ISIL and 9-11” is speculation, and it’s not at all the same as if the Saudi government funded both, which you imply.

      Look, you don’t have to cite rumors and guesswork to find conspiracies. One constant in world history is the battle between the haves and the rest. That battle is underway right now, worldwide, including right here at home.

      Fred Koch was a founder of the John Birch Society, a racist, anti-equality, anti-democratic organization. His sons are continuing his work. There’s plenty of evidence, you don’t have to guess about it, and you don’t have to fly to the Mideast to find the battleground. It’s a worldwide struggle.

      You just have to choose sides.

      • +1 x 3!

      • great response, hat!

      • missed the episode where the birchers gave assistance or money laundering via arms deals to the Islamic state-rs, but that isn’t completely beyond the realm of possibility.

        starting paying attention to politics in middle school, just as the kennedys were getting acquainted with oswald. the birchers were enjoying quite a high, with their pawn mccarthy becoming queen for a season and the comm-symps flushed out of entertainment, publishing, academia, and the atomic energy commission. at that specific time they were intent, as hoover was, in exposing ties between the civil right activists and commies.

        • ‘started to pay attention to politics’, sorry for the poor grammar.

        • moto, years ago I read this phrase:

          “War is merely the shooting stage of an economic conflict.”

          I forgot who said it. Recently I’ve tried to rediscover the source of that quote. Perhaps you know?

          • that is a paraphrase of the Prussian axiom, part of von Clausewitz’s “Vom Kriege”, his (translated of course) words, ‘war is the continuation of policy (often translated to “politics”) by other means.’ will look up the original line auf Deutsch when there’s an hour or two to spare.

            there is probably something very similar from a much earlier time and non western culture, but again will need to dig it out, the general/sage Sunzi in “Bing Fa” (poetically/fuzzily translated as ‘The Art of War’ and required reading for both contemporary militarists and neocapitalists).

          • moto, thank you sincerely. I’ve always been fascinated by Clausewitz, in the way a huge deadly spider is fascinating.

            However, Prussia was an autocratic country, not business-driven, and Clausewitz’ quote reflects that. I’m pretty sure it’s not the source.

            I’m thinking the origin was possibly Thorstein Veblen, an American economist/social scientist with a fairly lofty take on all things material. I’m not going to go back and read his stuff to find out, though. If you’re interested, his works are all available for free here:


          • Veblen was quite familiar with German philosophy and social theory. would not be surprised if he is the source, but it sounds very much influenced by/derivative of von Clausewitz. you might be too quick to pigeonhole von Clausewitz as a Prussian militarist, he rather more resembles an Enlightenment philosopher, and in touch with the thinking of his time, Voltaire, Locke, Rousseau, Hegel (probably acquainted socially). Prussia back then was a major power but not yet a superpower, and all the major powers were acutely aware of the economic nature of their competition.

  72. Bill Simmons sits down with Steph and Klay (and others) at All Star Weekend.

  73. Notes from the TNT crew, Tuesday I think:

    1. Kenny gave a moving tribute to Dean Smith, about which more later, maybe.

    2. The guys suggested setting a date to go out and get street meat and then watch the movie Fifty Shades of Grey. Maybe we could make that a spontaneous group event.

    • Uh, “Street meat?”
      Was Barkley one of the guys? Think he got popped for that in Ariz.

      • Pretty sure they meant the other definition, or at least pretended to. This is natn’l TV.

        • Otherwise it would 50 Shades before going for street meat

        • I bought the book and tried to read it in order to understand women. I heard most women have read it.

          I didn’t get very far. The girl goes into hellacious detail about every interaction she has, every slight nuance, including descriptions of how people dress, how a room is furnished, I mean just on and on. There is some humor in it however.

          One of the things is the guy (Grey) is completely self-assured and confident, which is supposed to be a big turn on for women.

          • I’ll read almost anything so I read about 50 pages. Subject matter never matters if the writing is bad and it was very bad. Stereotypes sell though. Marc, all women want is for a man to be themselves and let their hearts be open every now and again. A good mid-range jumper never hurts (though Mr. Gray might disagree).

          • OMG, who woulda thought a guy could hear a wonderful life comment like that on a BB blog? Thanx Mary.

          • Perhaps the Post of the Century, Mary.

            I don’t believe it, of course.

            The Fifty Shades trilogy has sold 100 million copies worldwide, and its success allowed Random House to give all its employees a $5k bonus one Christmas.

            I gave it a page at Amazon preview, as far as I could go. Of course the writing is bad, but that misses some point, I’m not sure which. Apparently mothers in Seattle push prams. Porn enthusiasts, I understand, say the porn is bad as well.

            There you have it.

            Curiously, ticket sales for the movie are especially high in the South, where I grew up. Perhaps it is a modern day Gone with the Wind.

            While at Berkeley, I took a class with James Schamus, who started a magazine where a story that later turned into my first novel appeared. Several years ago I was surprised to learn that James had become CEO of Focus Features, who produced the respected indie films Brokeback Mountain, Constant Gardener, Crouching Tiger, etc. I exchanged letters and got fond reminiscences.

            Not long after that I learned that Focus merged with (or was absorbed by) Universal Pictures—and that James had been shown the door. Focus’s first joint after? You know the answer.

            Fifty Shades of Grey

          • Certainly the evidence supports your assertion rgg. Women don’t seem to like “nice guys” or as Leo the Lip said “nice guys finish last”. Perhaps that’s a bit over stated, however, all of us enjoy a bit of edge and controversy, call it honesty if you want. This forum and its members have that edge and don’t hesitate to express them , unlike the cream and honey in other blogs.

          • Or call it intimacy, which is why 50 Shades is popular, in a completely (imo) misguided way.

            Nice guys finish last always struck me as what men say when the hottest women–compatible or not–turn them down. It’s pretty simple. What you give, you receive.

            All you guys are so smart it makes my head spin.

          • “call it intimacy”. YES. Most excellent Mary!

          • What’s the mystery?

            To be loved, love first, honestly and bravely. It doesn’t always work out, but there are some mistakes you just have to make.


    Mescherys mid-season assessment and play-off projections. And a poem.

  75. This is one reason why I have turned down offers to write for major sites:

  76. Feltbot @70—

    Fischer is using Hypermodern principles, where he concedes the classical pawn controlled center and defends from a distance. Note how he fianchettoes his bishop. But his defending pieces are well placed to transition into offense when the opportunity presents itself, as you see so tellingly in this game. Maybe some b-ball analogies here.

    • One thing a slow developing defense can do is sucker white into forsaking development in favor of exploiting early offense. Which sets up opportunities for black to seize the tempo with a simple development move. As happened here with the knight threat on White’s queen.

      The natural analogy seems to be to West’s point, which may not be what you intended.

      But yes, I take your point about the transition from defense to offense being found in both chess and basketball.

      • The analogy will quickly break down.

        It is West’s insistence (as I understand him) of the priority of defense in determining strategy and roster, coupled with a conservative approach to offense, one that ill fits the talents of the team, that has me concerned.

        A better example might be a game where Fischer applies the same principles against an opponent who follows standard center control without exposing himself as Byrne did. I’m still not clear what his plan was.

        And West (and Kerr) aren’t making use of their bishop Lee. Fischer was famous for his bishop play.

        • kibitzers like us can only guess what goes on in west’s head. he’s placed himself on the fringe, threatening go step out side the confines, of the groupthink in the lacobite termite mound. you might be overanalyzing what he’s supposedly seeing. he has a thorough understanding of what has worked previously with championship teams. two star guards, or guard + wing won’t be enough. west sees curry and thompson as integral parts of the foundation, so he’s not likely to say that in bald terms.

          partisans used to point at the thomas/dumars team as an example of a guard duo championship core, but the differences are so obvious with the rest of those Det teams we don’t hear them mentioned much now. the jordan/pippen dyad is clearly not applicable because of the singular qualities of the Chi guys — the woeyr pair don’t rebound like them, or go to the rim like them (which was one of west’s issues), and curry isn’t a dominating much less all-n.b.a. defender at his position.

          west has been critiquing the imbalance between the positions. they’ll face different scheduling and competition in the next 31 games compared to the 51 when they enjoyed overwhelming success, and manyfold changes again in the second season.

          • Maybe so. I’m guessing and in the dark. Swopa’s quote, West’s take on the Utah game, the Utah game itself all didn’t sit well with me.

            It’s hard for us to know what any member of the organization thinks. Decisions are made in a process I suspect is less than democratic, then Myers, the spokesperson passes on whatever is deemed acceptable. It was he who passed on Lacob’s idea of three big players making a team, which I guess Lacob got from his sidelining at Boston.

            I suspect the publicized split in the organization over the Love trade was staged, in part to promote their sense of the organization, in part, maybe in some mysterious way, to force the Wolves’ hand.

  77. Searching for Bobby Fischer is ultimately a sentimental movie, though not a conventional one, and the chess references will make the informed wince. But there are great scenes of blitz chess in Washington Square Park. Here, Laurence Fishburne gives some advice that might be useful for teams with an eye to the playoffs:

    • with the exhibition pause permitting more fischer/chess digression, here’s another of his games worth reviewing, which gained the brilliancy prize from the ’63 u.s. championship. fischer by then was twenty, having won his first u.s. crown at age 14. in ’63 he went 11-0 in matches, never equalled. he ended up winning every u.s. championship he entered, eight total, with an absurd match record, losing less than five games total in those eight tournaments.

      the prize game came against the older Byrne sibling, Robert []. byrne avoids early blunders, and the opening development results in white and black nearly mirroring each other, a small variation in where the knights are placed. fischer deploys both knights in a vanguard attack, sacrificing both, inducing K x kn each time. only after the second sacrifice did the expert observers understand fischer’s intentions. byrne still has his pieces but his pawns have been stripped, king isolated and weak, and he resigns at the twenty first move.

      an important part of fischer’s arsenal was his prodigious reading, examining virtually every recorded game from prominent players back to the nineteenth century. as a child he’d soon exhausted everything in the public library, but in his very early years an older player gave him access to an extensive collection, and the die was cast. fischer’s collection of books, magazines, journals with tens of thousands of games and analyses would completely fill his apartments, and eventually he had to put them in a storage facility. a jab to fischer’s psyche came from an ownership change for the storage space, with no notification reaching fischer’s aide, resulting in missed rent payments. part of the collection was lost as a result, to fischer’s great distress.

      some of the unconventional and unpredictable tactics fischer used in his matches, considered part of his ‘original genius’, were pulled out of obscure games in his archives. now of course they’re part of his canon and studied by every top player.

    • I’d like to see an All Star competition where the worst free throw shooters square off. Bogut wouldn’t make it this year, btw.

    • standard for killion, lacking in substance, specifically how kerr might resemble or emulate popovich. kerr has not been resting key guys for entire games, and he shows no signs of shutting out the media, not to mention the lack of system continuity between the starters and the reserves.

  78. The thing that amazes me about Curry is his confidence and easy grace. He takes everything in stride. He is a natural.

    27—a good omen.

  79. Saudi Arabians funding Al Quada and 9-11 attacks
    is not rumor nor speculation, but rather fact.
    According to former uS senator Bob Graham of Florida
    who was on US congressional Committee regarding
    9-11 let the cat out of the bag when he said that the
    classified portion of the Report said that
    Saudi’s funded 9-11. He called for declassifying such
    Section of the Report. He did not say that Saudi Royal
    Family did. I suspect that clAssified portion would name
    names and one must ask why the funder of 9-11 were
    not criminally indicted.

    With regard to the creation and funding of IIL to
    fight in Syria to topple the Assad government,
    the story that MNBC told was that US intelligence
    went to former Saudi intelligence chief Bandar
    and asked to get Saudi billionaires to pony up
    money for ISIL and they did. When the US later
    turned on ISIL the goes that the King claimed
    he had no knowledge of what Bandar had done
    and promptly removed him as the Saudi intelligence

    Former US Army Lt. Col Wilkerson indicated
    On MNBC that the Saudi’s financed ISIL and US
    Senator Durbin at a Congressional hearing said
    US covert intelligence sent man to Syria to
    Overthrow the Syrian govt. President Obama
    has not shared that with the American people.
    So ISIL is primarily a paramilitary fighting
    mercenary force.

    Whether it’s so called clerics are just part of a ruse
    to make ISIL look like it’s a religious fanatical
    Is an open question. s is whether those in the
    fighting force even know who controls them. I
    Suspect they don’t.

    ISIL was first presented as being composed
    only of Shia’s killing Suni’s. later foreign policy
    expert Steve Clement i believe his name is
    said that ISiL is composed of Shia’s,
    Suni’s, and even Christians, and that
    Suni’s as well as Christians are being killed.
    If true, such supports that that ISI is a mercenary
    army, not a religious extremist group
    who someone has decided to use to kill only Suni’s
    and Christians in Iraq and Syria, and
    to topple the government in Syria.

    • Frank, look closer to home.

      Hillary has hired the evil frog Larry Summers as her adviser for financial matters. Summers has now coined the phrase “the politics of jealousy” to oppose the supposed threat of Elizabeth Warren’s candidacy for President.

      Elizabeth Warren is pro-consumer protection and pro-middle class, and she has repeatedly stated that she is not running for president. Even still, she is perceived as a serious enough threat to Clinton that the Clinton camp has injected this meme into the info stream: “The politics of jealousy.”

      Clinton isn’t even running yet, supposedly. And Warren has repeatedly promised not to run. But Warren is a “threat.” As if Warren’s goal was just to strong-arm rich people into sending a few golf club memberships out to the little people.

      Frank, the entire mideast is a battleground only because it has $$$ value to multinational corporations, most of which are under-regulated and out of control – effectively countries unto themselves.

      British Petroleum turned the entire Caribbean into a cesspool and they’ll pay damages to who? When all is said and done, hardly anyone. By international law, they won’t even have to clean up their own mess.

      You want to pursue conspiracies, Frank? Why travel thousands of miles away?

  80. Watched the ESPN hi-lites of the Rising Stars game. LaVine, Gobert, and Wiggins were tremendous. Was passing up Gobert for Nedo an even bigger mistake than selecting Barnes instead of Drummond?

    • Gobert probably wasn’t big enough for them. Instead of looking for players with “character,” you have to wish the FO had sought players with an edge. Lavine is a razor.

      • Yes, you nailed it, rgg. LaVine is a razor. But I don’t disagree with the Ws FO focusing on the “character” issue. It’s a team game. Can you picture LaVine playing for Popovitch? It would be a rocky road for some time, with no sure outcome.

  81. Here’s hoping Klay and Steph knock down their shots tonight then get home and get some rest. The All Star game is not the kind of game that shows their talents. At least they’ll have someone to pass to, who might pass back.

    Think Kerr will run the triangle?

    • No. The T takes preparation. The AS game is a street ball warm-up. Even a back-alley game would be more serious.

      • Add Draymond to the AS game and it becomes a real game, especially if Kerr is the coach. The West wins by 40, and Silver looks more seriously at re-aligning the playoffs.

        • Yea, and if Draymond was in the game, there could be a best trash talker award as well. I think the winner would be between LeBron and Draymond, though I understand KD is quite the talker lately as well.

  82. looks like karl will be on the Sac bench when they resume playing next week, collecting the equivalent of a vet player’s annual minimum for the thirty games. the deal looks pretty fat, but on closer examination ranadive can probably bail out before it balloons up to $5 m. per annum, at the cost of a painless buy out. essentially karl gets to show what he’s worth next season for 3.25 m. before he gets a raise for the final two years.

    karl and d’alessandro should know each other well from Den, but Sac has already demonstrated their whimsical managerial style, and who can say whether either or both will stay around for another three seasons plus.

  83. I find this refreshing:

    “You guys really don’t know s—,” Durant told reporters.

    Durant’s striking statement came in response to a question about continued speculation about Oklahoma City Thunder coach Scott Brooks’ job security. Brooks has often fallen under media criticism the past few seasons, but Durant has always been quick to defend his coach, noting during his MVP speech that Brooks doesn’t get any credit, “even though you deserve all of it.”

    Durant was later asked what kinds of questions he’d prefer the media to focus on.

    “To be honest, man, I’m only here talking to y’all because I have to,” Durant said. “So I really don’t care. Y’all not my friends. You’re going to write what you want to write. You’re going to love us one day and hate us the next. That’s a part of it. So I just learn how to deal with y’all.”

    • for anyone who wasn’t paying attention, durant gets more from nike for using his name on a shoe, $30m. per annum x 10, than any team can pay him for his court work. revenues from that shoe far surpass the honorarium, for another perspective. the other $$ dominator of course is james, who got the commish to extend the off days on this break to give participants sufficient rest. james was just elected prime minister by the players union.

      although curry seems to be as popular as james or durant, if the voting for the game reflects anything, his shoe endorsement pays him a mere $4 m.

      • Fair enough, moto. After a weekend of promotional fluff, I was ready for some sharpness. Durant is frustrated, battling injuries, etc. Also he has been a more than model citizen for the NBA, which has to get old.

        It cuts both ways. If the NBA and public and press overinflate a player’s sense of worth, they can just as extremely deflate it.

        Let’s hope, now that the show is over, Curry can get back to work.

  84. The foreign policy advisers to both
    President Obama and Hillary Clinton
    Are the worse. Samantha Powers and
    Rice in the White House are both hawks.

    Wish Warren and the Governor of
    Maryland would run for President.

    Would just like to see the records of
    Mercedes Benz truck division to see
    which front men are buying trucks
    for mercenary fighters in middle
    East, and Saudi guys who funded 9-11,
    and guys who bought put stock options
    In and United and American Airlines
    on the last trading day before 9-11
    knowing 9–11 would occur. The
    9-11 Commission downplayed such
    occurrence and published no names.

  85. Also, the day after 9-11 the FBI
    rounded up 270 Saudi Bin
    Laden family members residing in
    US, and flew them out of the country.
    a good indication that Bin Laden was
    Still our guy years after the CIA used him
    to finance the Mushadeem, throwing
    the Russians out of Afghanistan.

    • If true (and it’s highly questionable), so what?

      Closer to home, literally millions of Americans have lost their homes to finance companies, making banks the largest single bloc of home owners in America. Under the banking laws of FDR, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Johnson, Nixon and Carter they would have been forced to divest, making home ownership available for millions of middle-class Americans. Under “trickle-down economics” home ownership is a privilege reserved for big investment companies, who acquired those homes by cheating middle-class Americans out of them.

      Frank, don’t you think that’s a more important issue than precisely who the CIA scammed into doing what?

  86. Amare and Sanders on the verge of being bought out… Stat is pretty redundant with Lee/Speights, and who knows how much he has left in the tank. He was great for PHX under Gentry and we still good in NY for the brief period before Carmelo the team killer showed up. Maybe a bit better scorer than Lee, but no upgrade on D and definitely downgrade as a passer. I’d prefer to keep Lee.

    Sanders is a bit more intriguing if the character issues are overblown/resolved…. but I doubt the FO would risk it given the team chemistry right now.

    Also some talk Garnett might somehow be available… depends on the price, but I’d rather have him for 10-15 a night than bringing back someone like Jermaine.

    Besides Bogut insurance, I’m on the bandwagon for needing another scorer for the second unit. I’m not obsessed with it being a PG since Dre and SL can both handle and run the unit… but a reliable scorer/shooter would be great.

    I wonder if they’ll tinker at all? Certainly risky with the best chemistry in the league…despite a few holes that still need filling.

    • I think the Warriors team chemistry is very strong, allowing another player, even a “problem” one, to thrive. Remember the 60s/70s Raiders? Ezeli could be Bogut insurance, if healthy.

      • Marc, I think you’re right, the Ws could probably handle a problem child or two. But their history says they’re not going to try.

        If Garnett becomes available, or if Ray Allen decides to win another ring, then maybe the Ws reach out. Too bad about Sanders, he’s a great talent, but no way the Ws are going to hire a stoner.

      • until kerr gives ezeli meaningful playing time (so far fourteen appearances of ten minutes or longer), only the coaches know what he’ll be good for.

  87. @WMC,

    I replied to you @50. I hesitated doing so but took the opportunity to explain why specifically the proposal to change the starting lineup and insert Lee is a bad idea.

    Not trying to “get the last word” as I will not reply whatever you, or others, write (although I will read it). This is the last time I will post.

    Felt: feel free to block my access to the blog–and thanks again for allowing me to participate.

    Looking forward to seeing how this all plays out with the Dubs…


    • longtimer, in re. to your description of most of us here in three qualities above, that according to our bleak version the execs have given the coaches a misfitted roster, that the coaching staff is seriously deficient, and the team is underperforming.

      is there really much doubt that the roster was put together piecemeal (one example — iguodala available as a free agent just when lacob/myers were getting antsy about sitting on two large,’dead’ contracts, finding an expediter in UT literally hours before iguodala was going to sign with los cubanos in Dal, making him a starter and derailing their prized lottery pick barnes), and without a clue what kerr and staff would shape from them. as for the other two assertions, they sound hyperbolic to me. life is too brief and harsh to expend your leisure time here if we’re such poor company. recommend riding a bicycle, for mental, emotional, physical health.

      • Moto,

        It’s probably unfair of me to pick on a glib assertion, but since you say that “the roster was put together piecemeal”… can you give an example of a current NBA contender whose roster *wasn’t* constructed piecemeal, but instead appeared fully grown from the first moment like Athena from Zeus’s forehead?

        • Warriors happened by accident. Myers and Lacob inherited a playoff team, that is the narrative here. Never mind, Curry was the only player remaining from Chris Cohan era.

          • I have a slight quarrel with your point, in that I think the current regime doesn’t give Larry Riley the credit he deserves for building this team. Curry, Lee, Klay, and Bogut were all acquired befored Myers took over as GM, and Draymond, Barnes, and Ezeli came in the 2012 draft (where Riley and Travis Schlenk undoubtedly played a larger role than Myers).

            W’s fans have to thank David Kahn as much as anyone for Curry falling to GS in 2009, but lest anyone forget, Riley recognized Curry’s star potential — enough so that his availability scotched trade talks with PHX for Amare (remember Kerr et al. celebrating because *they* thought they were getting Curry?).

            Cohan firing Pete D’Alessandro and promoting Riley to GM was probably a more essential turning point for GS than selling the team to Lacob.

        • my comment was clearly a response to a specific critique cited by our prolix but departed correspondent, who said the majority view of the attendees here think the “staff was given a raw deal in terms of the quality of its roster”. perhaps ‘piecemeal’ wasn’t the best choice of words, but my intent was to keep things brief. instead, you have chosen to drag the dialog with the departed out further. and since you’ve chosen the image of a goddess emerging from a creator’s head, you probably recognize that no individual’s head or vision built this team’s roster for a specific coaching approach, after the time riley knew nelson would be coaching curry. if you are asserting that most teams lack a coherent plan (specifics well beyond wishful thinking or budget planning) in putting their rosters and coaching together, that is probably true, but some teams (Mil hiring kidd, Det hiring van G, rivers getting roster control, and of course SA) have taken a different path. lacob’s council couldn’t possibly know the intentions of kerr and his staff before the regular season began.

        • Cool example, Swopa! I’m picturing Don Nelson spraying players all over the floor with his brow.

  88. felt boss, going by your twit, if your local dim sum place is in mill valley, they might be unprepared for a high demand for the particular delicacy, a favorite of mine since helping my ma prepare them at home more than fifty years ago. decent versions are generally plentiful and at a reasonable tariff at Chinese delis (ones with roasted and poached poultry hanging in the front window), sold by the pound. stockton st. in sf might be the closest to your front door, if you’re based in mill valley now.

    • Thanks for the tips, moto. But our patience was eventually rewarded. The Thaiblonde always gets her feet.

  89. Pre-postseason games jitters:

    The Warriors have every reason to think about at least a second place finish in the West. If they only go 16-15, Portland and Houston will have to go 22-7, 76% wins, to catch up.

    They could play conservative and stay the course to get the needed wins, which looks to be the plan. I don’t want to think about topping Memphis, only 4 back, as this could a fight, all told, that might leave them ragged. Schlenk said he didn’t see any trades coming because he didn’t want to disrupt the team chemistry, although that doesn’t mean that Lacob may not try some “transcendent” deal, what he might see as icing on the cake.

    And I don’t think that plan makes any sense if they are thinking about the playoffs and the kind of competition they’ll see there. Chemistry is used somewhat the way the word magic is, superstitiously. Don’t mess with it. But they haven’t tried other starting lineups or, apparently, contemplated midrange deals that might work better. And a lot of the “chemistry” has come from trying to work around limited players, Barnes and Livingston, too often with very uneven results.

    Most, in Curry, Klay, Green—and Lee, really—you have instant chemistry guys who can adapt to any situation and lineup and make the team work. It’s a significant reason they got off to such a good start and kept their lead. And they could adjust to any experiments now.

    Nor is there solid evidence that the chemistry is necessarily that good, or at least as good as it might be. They have tried all kinds of experiments with the second unit, bolstering it with two players who started last year, Lee and Iguodala, plus staggering the starters, and still gotten mixed results. They have never tried moving Barnes out of the starting lineup. Nor have they tried different systems with the subs, but persist in whatever it is Kerr is doing. How can they know what works best?

    That they have had ugly wins against mediocre teams is not necessarily indicative of anything other than fatigue or a bad night, though it’s concerning other players haven’t stepped up.

    That they have managed routs of many lesser teams and have a large point differential is not that significant either. They were able to build big leads early against those teams and/or had phenomenal shooting, two things they most likely will not be able to count on in the playoffs against the heavies.

    After the mediocre to dismal competition, the rest of the games are losses against top teams or wins against those teams with serious injury problems. Or uneven teams—they beat Chicago and Toronto each, but both teams have been up and down this season.

    They have some tough games ahead—Clippers and Memphis x 2, Spurs, Cleveland, Toronto, Atlanta, and other midrange contenders, plus some nasty scheduling. What they need to do is figure out how to best beat them, and so far, their record against such teams is ambiguous at best, really so-so. Where they finish in the West should be a secondary concern.

    Meanwhile, Lee, who averaged 14 shots a game his previous four seasons with the Warriors and hit at high percentage—50+%—is now averaging 7 shots this season in a system I do not understand and does not play to his strengths. There is one thing that can be said about Lee that cannot be said about Kevin Love, LaMarcus Aldridge, or Lebron James, for that matter: he is a Warrior and they have him.

    So let’s see what happens Friday night.

    • One of the amusing ironies of this forum is how the most prolific regulars (including the proprietor) complain bitterly about the W’s allegedly contorting themselves to accommodate Barnes’ limitations, but are fanatical about how the team is failing by not doing the exact same thing for David Lee, who can’t be expected to do X on defense, has to be used in precisely Y way on offense, etc., etc.

      Apparently it does not good to point out that the W’s ship already sailed — at a nearly NBA-record pace, no less — with Lee playing no role whatsoever. A prominent role for Lee, sculpting both the team’s offense and its defense to best suit him, is utterly necessary, they argue, for GS to win a championship.

      Because, you know, “David Lee” and “playing in June” are so utterly synonymous. Or so one might think if he or she read this forum, and had no acquaintance with external reality.

      • I see you have ignored my essential argument (again).

        No one is asking the team to accommodate Lee. We’re asking Kerr to turn him loose and make use of him. He knows how to handle himself and help others. We have seen this for years, with a rookie center while Bogut was out. Without any center to speak of. His performance in the playoffs against a better Clippers team, with front court size, wasn’t mediocre, 14 points, 9 boards, though he was obviously hurting—again without Bogut.

        And the plea is simply to find out what he can do.

        Injuries, of course, are a concern across the board.

        But let me return your question above with another one. Can you think of another NBA team who has given such a marginal player so much attention in terms of minutes and time with the starters? I’m at a loss.

        • If I had responded to every point in your post, it would have required Longtimer-like verbosity, and you would have bitched about *that*.

          But by all means, please clarify which point is your “essential argument,” and I’ll answer it — as well as the question you add in the last paragraph above. (If that question IS your “essential argument,” so much the better!)

          • That the team is not preparing its best team for the playoffs, that the evidence of the season, the record, is ambiguous at best, as far as making a run in the playoffs, and in fact might be a matter of concern.

            But do feel free to take a shot at my question.

          • And do take your time and unwind. Longtimer, last I read him was incoherent and flabby in his words and thought.

          • Actually, my main point was that the team has not experimented enough to find its best lineup. We’ll never know until they try. I don’t understand this.

      • DLee at the 5 in a primarily high P&R offense was effective (see stats Felt lists) and could be an effective alternative this season as well, as either a change-up to the Bogut perimeter offense or a closing unit. If Bogut can not play the entire playoffs, would it not be prudent to have an effective, proven alternative?

        • Lee may very well wind up as the backup 5 by the end of the regular season. But remember, that means dropping Speights from the center rotation.

          Right now, with a full complement of healthy players, I would imagine Kerr’s priority is keeping all of them engaged and involved (I’d expect/hope that Ezeli starts getting minutes here and there as well.)

          Eventually, though, the rotation will tighten up. In particular, I think you’ll see either Speights or Lee drop out, and the other play almost exclusively at C, as Barnes picks up more minutes at backup PF. And even then, the closing five may often be Green/Barnes/Iguodala/Klay/Curry.

          But as long as Speights and Lee are both healthy, Kerr will probably put off that moment of truth until as late in the season as possible.

          • Agree. I should add MoS can also play at the 5 effectively in a P&R/P&P offense. No problem with DLee or MoS. And would also like to see Ezeli get some minutes in Boguts rim protector duties. Could Kerr be saving Ezeli as insurance in the event Bogut is not available for the playoffs or part of the playoffs?

        • 42-9. That’s not an argument, it’s a mantra. And saying it enough times will not take the team over the top.

          You have to come up with lineups that can beat Memphis and the Spurs and OKC full strength, if that happens. Or even the Clippers, Portland, and Dallas if they yet get it together and come out whole. Bogut will be key against Memphis and the Clips, less useful against the others.

          In all cases, you’ll need front court scoring that doesn’t lead to a serious drop off in defense, thus Lee and Speights. And in all cases you’ll need Iguodala’s playmaking abilities and defense. All cases still require contortions with the subs to work around Livingston. All cases necessarily lead to a reduction in Barnes’ minutes and slot with the starters, and changes with the closers.

          After 51 games, Kerr hasn’t shown the least sign of moving in that direction. He hasn’t even tried in lesser games where the experiment would have cost nothing.

          This is not to say that Speights is a great offensive talent who will be overlooked. Rather he has shown enough signs that his talents might provide them what they’ll need to gain an edge—an outside shot to provide another scoring option and open up the defense and take pressure off the rest. I think he is about even with Barnes on fumbled drives, but he is much more aggressive and I’d rather see him drive than HB. And he is a good FT shooter. He may also help keep Livingston on the court and give Steph a blow, as we have seen.

          Lee has shown consistent scoring and rebounding for about a decade. They can’t overlook that. Putting Speights and Lee together
          and playing them the way Kerr has makes no sense, as it reduces both of their abilities.

          It looks like Kerr and the FO are banking their hopes on Barnes.

          I still wonder why Ezeli is not getting play. He is mobile and active on defense and had many fine games with Lee.

          • Yes, their dedication to Barnes as Wing is remarkable. As a Stretch-4, well…OK. Barnes makes some sense as a starter with Green, as both of them are 3/4s and together can give you boards and switch D assignments. Would love to see Green at the 3 for significant minutes here and there. Bet he would just dominate opposing 3’s.

            Is Kerr saving Ezeli for rim protection duty in the event Bogut is not available for the playoffs?

  90. Amare Stoudemire just committed to the Mavs. Giving them now two world class pick and roll finishers to partner with Rondo and Ellis. Because Rick Carlisle will know exactly how to use AS.

    Meanwhile, Curry is wedded to Bogut til death do them part. And the Warriors own world class pick and roll finisher is buried on the bench and tasked with garbage-time duty with a point guard who doesn’t play the point.

    Lacob’s cube.

    • warriorsablaze

      You forgot to mention that the Mavs added another all-garbage defender to their already mediocre defense… Not sure Stat moves the needle much at all for that team.

      • They are certainly all-in on offense. Although if you really want to go there, Chandler is a better defender than Bogut, top-shelf Rondo is better than Curry, and Parsons is better than Barnes. What they really, really could use now is a 3 and D wing.

        Amare most definitely moves the needle for the Mavs, because since the Rondo trade, they’ve been stripped bare on the front-line. He replaces Brandan Wright as the backup center. He will probably also take some minutes from Dirk, even though like David Lee he’s a much better center than power forward. Dirk has very obviously been wearing down this season — he looked terrible in the last game against the Warriors, and was rested the game after. The Mavs need him refreshed for the playoffs to have a chance.

        • felt, Chandler suprisingly not helping Mavs D much this year, they are one of the worst defensive team this year. Just for defense and IQ, I will take Bogut over Chandler. Amare at C would be as bad as Lee at C if done for more than like 10 mins a game.

        • Dubs have been switching everything and seem to be able to defend the pick and roll with ease. They came from a long way back against Dallas to beat them last time. Also today’s Amare is not what I’d call dependable either.

    • Married to Bogut except when Bogut is injured…which may be more often than not down the stretch.

  91. My god, these Kawakami interviews of the Warriors front office are absolutely hilarious. I’m rolling.

    Jerry West simply cannot help himself.

    Kawakami: Myers is the decision-maker, with Lacob getting final say.
    West: Myers has been a great spokesman.

    Lacob: The way the Love trade decision has been reported is not “necessarily” true.
    West: They would have done it if I weren’t here.

    All: Everyone is encouraged to speak their mind, in an open environment.
    Schlenk: Of course, I don’t talk to Joe the way I do everyone else.

    And as for Kim Jong Un… could it be any more obvious just how attuned to and appreciative of his power he is? My intuition is that the chewing out from Schlenk he refers to had to do with Cheerleader-gate. But it could literally have been about a million different things with this entitled little schmuck.

    And of course, completely left out of the interview, Milk Carton Man himself. Wasn’t he the GM when the Bogut trade went down? No credit for that? Wasn’t he the guy who found both Draymond and Ezeli, and convinced the others to draft them? No credit for that?

    He’s now been banished from the team offices, and works as head of scouting from his home somewhere in the great southwest, I think.

    And forbidden, quite obviously, from any more interviews with the team shill.


    Schlenk, you’re next. You’re a dead man.

    • Just when I thought it was safe to go outside.

      So who will be doing future scouting? We have to assume Myers and Lacob Jr have been doing the legwork on scouting the D-League, considering prospects, etc.

    • I made a similar point about Riley up above:

      This is arguably more his team than anyone else’s.

      And regarding Schlenk, I doubt he has much to worry about. For one thing, if he’s the nuts-and-bolts personnel evaluation guy (which he seems to be), he’s nearly indispensable. The Lacobs and Myers are probably at least a year away from having the hubris to think they can do without him. :)

      And he seems to be a rising star in terms of being hired as a full GM somewhere else before too long. So I think the Lacobs need him more than he needs them.

      • I saw your comment. Riley was just warming up seat, don’t think he contributed anything post Lacob. I can give him credit for David Lee but have to understand he also drafted Udoh. Lacob gets credit for okaying David Lee’s contract too. Didn’t Myers also convince Jerry West to join Warriors ?? Jerry West was in plans for Larry Ellison’s team if they acquired the team.

  92. rgg asks above why the W’s have not experimented with the starting lineup. I’ll let Kerr answer in his own words, from November:

    “The only thing that I will subscribe to as a coach is if we’re going great, then I’m not going to change anything until we need to change… You can’t take winning for granted in the NBA.”

    Asked if that would be his philosophy going forward and not just Wednesday in Lee’s case, Kerr said it would be.

    That’s going to probably be my philosophy forever because I’ve seen that it’s fragile,” Kerr said. “Winning is fragile in this league, and when you get something going and you got some momentum, you don’t mess with it.”

    • Here I part company with Kerr. He’s trusting ambiguous results and not his mind and the minds of the staff. Winning is fragile if you treat it fragile and not explore options.

    • This roster and its system is built on accident and weakness. That’s not a formula for success.

      Refrain: Kerr is playing not to win, but not to lose.

      The accident is Lee’s injury. Were he not injured, we would have seen an entirely different season. The possibilities Kerr must have entertained preseason have been put aside entirely. That Lee might be injured again had to be factored in, but now the team has enough options to play him reduced minutes and see how it goes.

      The first weakness is Myers’, Kirk Lacob’s, and whoever else joined the fray inability to find an adequate backup point guard for the fifth straight season. This has caused all kinds of problems. Will Kerr keep trying to make Livingston work, or reduce his role in the playoffs, as he did earlier?

      The second weakness is Barnes. Everyone concedes the only reason he’s with the starters is that he needs their support and cannot make significant contributions with the subs. And Kerr looks to be staying with that rather than find other options to counter this weakness.

      The third weakness is the health of the Lacob transcendent deals, notably Bogut, but that’s not Kerr’s fault. Yet he has the tools to compensate, if he decides to use them. He hasn’t, except for Speights.

      I also fear Kerr is moved by a questionable legacy of an offensive system that hasn’t worked with any other team than the Bulls and Lakers.

      If adjustment were made for all the diminished teams, all the serious injuries to key players in the top teams, it may well be found that the Warriors will have a regular and postseason record not significantly different from the previous two seasons, in fact I predict it.

      The only thing I find encouraging is that the team is deep enough not to run the starters ragged, though that may change come the playoffs.

      Do feel free to unload on me should we see different. I’d just like to have more confidence going into the final stretch.

      • What Kerr will need to take into account soon is opponents adjusting to his Bogut perimeter motion offense. I saw a bit of that adjustment is the last several games. I fear 42-9 and his dedication to “triangle elements” will not allow him to adjust. Hope I’m wrong.

    • Swopa, are you saying Barnes is so critical and winning so fragile that the Warriors cannot consider moving him or changing his role to, for example, having him come off the bench as a Stretch-4 instead of starting? In my opinion, only Bogut, Iguodala, Curry, Thompson, and Green are that critical, and even that assumes Bogut remains healthy.

      • I didn’t notice this comment the other evening. As I’ve said a few different times, it would be OK with me if Kerr chose to start Iguodala.

        So the real question you should ask is, why does *Kerr* think Barnes is valuable enough to keep him as the starting SF (and, if my prediction above is correct, start giving him more backup PF minutes as well)? Is the rookie head coach pulling some kind of perverse daredevil act, intentionally starting an inferior player and taunting opponents to do something about it?

        I mean, seriously, if the majority opinion here about Barnes is accurate — that he’s a marginal player overall and, in particular, a poor defender at SF — then there’s no way the Warriors should have the best record in the NBA, with the league’s best defense, and sky-high team chemistry.

        Instead, the reality should be that opposing teams gleefully expose HB’s flaws, GS loses more games, and teammates grumble at the obvious, unjustified favoritism. But the reality isn’t that way at all.

        It says a great deal about the egos of posters here that when reality doesn’t conform to their assumptions, they react as though *reality* is somehow flawed. :)

  93. rgg,

    I like some of your posts, especially the not-directly-basketball ones. E.g. The chess analogies recently. Unfortunately, this is an example of your worst contributions. You purport to know what is in the mind of Kerr and that he isn’t listening to his staff. Based on what? And all to support a point that is imaginary. The Dubs are first in the league in first quarter scoring and third quarter scoring. (See They are first overall in defense so that can’t be the problem. Remind me again what terrible problem we need to fix with starters?

    • I do the best I can based on the team’s performance and what Kerr says—see @100—but obviously I am limited. I am also looking at what the team and certain players have done in the past—and the evidence is considerable—and overlooked.

      And as I keep saying, you have to look past the stats and results and make adjustments. No one is doing that, except FB. The landscape of the NBA has changed wholesale, essentially has weakened. Most, you have to analyze key match-ups that might come close to what the team will will see in the playoffs. Here the evidence is not conclusive—or that encouraging.

      I am encouraged that the team came out firing and was able to build leads in many games. This was critical in many of them. I’m skeptical this lineup can do that in the playoffs, but we’ll see.

      I should give this a rest, as I keep repeating myself. But those who know and love and hate and ignore me know I probably won’t.

    • The other thing I can do with some confidence is see if Kerr has explored all his options, and he hasn’t. This season has afforded all kinds of opportunities to do that.

      Your challenge is to counter my skepticism, arguing against my reservations and defending with your analysis what you think Kerr is doing and why. Throwing up stats doesn’t accomplish anything.

      The defense is encouraging too, btw.

      • rgg,

        I offer the courtesy to my fellow posters of self-vetting my opinions with some independent evidence to support those opinions. This is as opposed to some who offer volume opinions based on uninformed, anecdotal, and uncorroborated if not entirely imaginary observation. The stats are there to ground my arguments or refute another’s. You repeatedly state that the starters get off to poor starts but the stats say that, over the course of the season, this exists only in your mind. You state that Kerr isnt listening to his assistants. I ask what you base these claims on. You don’t answer. You state blanket nonsense like “Bogut is not a good defender” based on cherrypicking one or two games or match ups and I refute that. It just goes on and on. Don’t ignore stats; try them as a sanity check now and then. Credibility is a beautiful thing.

        • I’m just lost, YouTired.

          I have often praised Kerr for getting off to good starts in the games, in fact called it a strength.

          I never called Bogut a bad defender, but a limited defender, who has had bad defensive games. On offense he sucks.

          I don’t recall ever saying the Kerr doesn’t listen to his assistants, though having said that, I would be curious to know what goes on in their discussions, especially what Gentry has to say, especially about the way the second unit is run.

          And I don’t see what any of this has to do with my argument or anything I’ve said. Your stats are meaningless until interpreted and adjusted. The evidence for a change here has been substantial.

          I believe the guy you’re talking to lives in your closet. You and Longtimer seem to have much in common.

          • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

            That is funny rgg because there is usually zero evidence to support your claims.

          • The argument is finding the strongest lineup. The evidence to try out previous lineups and getting Lee is incredibly strong and has been cited here at length. The appeal is checking Warrior performance against contenders, which has been done here. But I give up.


            How’s that, FFG?

          • 42-9 still makes me giddy. How can you say it out loud and not smile??

          • Correction: I did express skepticism about the system very early in the season. But not long after they came out running, which I found encouraging. How well they can run that offense in the playoffs, with the current starting lineup, with the system is the question now.

  94. Poor, deluded Feltbot:

    It’s like watching Linus wait for the Great Pumpkin. :)

    • Huh? Kanter would be a great addition! I don’t know the trade rules, but if they could swap even-up for Barnes they’d have to consider it. Heck, throw in Ezeli too, if necessary.

      Kanter is 6’11”, 245, 22 years old, and has the nasty streak all paint players need. Under the right coach he could develop into a top-ten center. Even you have to admit that Barnes’ ceiling is much lower, and compared to talented centers, 3-and-D players practically grow on trees.

      • Also, Wilson Chandler is rumored to be on the trading block. Hmm. Chandler or Barnes. Hmm. Chandler (in his prime @ 27) is a good hardnosed player. His shooting numbers don’t look great, but consider the context – Denver sucks. We might miss Barnes’ excellent shooting (this season), but Chandler is a more complete player, with better D.

        • chandler is too expensive for the team’s budget (he’s paid approximately what barnes and speights combined get), with another year on his contract left — the same contract year the lacobites are staring at penalties as thompson begins getting his real paycheck.

          psychologically the lacobites wouldn’t ship barnes for a journeyman, utilitarian player like chandler anyway. recall what schenk said about not telling the owner about flaws in one of his favorites. they won’t let barnes go unless they can spin the acquisition as an impact player, shiny numbers, great future, big marketing profile, that stuff.

          they’ve succeeded in convincing the fans and the oddsmakers that (at least for now) they’re the favorites for the title. highly doubtful they see any need for an expensive repair.

          • All excellent points as usual, moto, except for this:

            “recall what schenk said about not telling the owner about flaws in one of his favorites.”

            I suppose you could read Schenk’s comment as “don’t be honest about Barnes,” but it’s not necessarily so. You just assume that based on what you suppose about Lacob. Right?

      • Kanter on record for more PT and bigger role. Can dubs provide that ? The answer is No because he is not a good defender and Bogut is better than him. Not everyone agrees to limited role.

        • Maybe it depends on Kanter’s ability to realistically assess his own performance. If he seriously believes he’s already great, I think the Ws wouldn’t want him.

          • The reports are that Kanter’s agent seeking max salary next year.

            If I am trading Barnes, I would trade him for another young and upcoming Cs like Tyler Zeller with a chance for warriors to retain him.

        • funny you mention zeller, harry. for those who’ve forgotten, he was Wunderkind barnes’ upperclassman teammate for two seasons at chapel hill, surpassing him in nearly every statistical category until barnes’ final year, when the soph’s per game average was about .8 pt. per game higher. zeller was in the same draft class, but with four years of school, and went ten spots lower than barnes. if you asked the lacobites today, expect a similar answer you’d get if you asked on draft day — das Wunderkind is younger and has a higher ceiling at his position than zeller does at his. zeller would not meet the marketing threshold to justify trading barnes, unless there were other considerations to save face for lacob.

          • Zeller though so far has not established himself more than a backup and doesn’t have the same nba resume as Barnes. I sionehow seem him improve and become more valuable since he plays as C but does come with some risks.

          • moto, understand the PR reasoning, but Barnes straight up for Zeller? Heck yes. Barnes + Ezeli for Kantner? Heck yes! (A ring might change Kantners perceptions, along with a healthy dose of Bogut, Green, Gentry, Curry, et al.)

          • To add, I had Zeller as the pick behind Davis, Drummond, kidd and Barnes. I can imagine Clevfans must have been frustrated over him, forgetting how some players especially bigs take time to develop.

  95. One would think that if Bin Laden was responsible
    for 9-11, the FBI would have wanted to question
    his family members. The quickness in which
    the were removed from the US and the fact
    they weren’t questioned may well indicate the
    FBI didn’t want any presentation then that
    ultimately made by the 9-11 Commission. And
    Given the 9-11 attacks that morning coincided on
    The same day and time that the Air Force were using
    AWAC planes to jam radar of a simulated on the
    US from enemy planes flying to our Eastern seaboard
    May well indicate that such exercise were pre-
    planned and coordinated with the attack on
    The twin towers, and the Pentagon to jam
    Civilian radar which appears to have occurred.
    As shutting down transponders by the highjackers
    Would not have caused civilian trackers from seeing
    And tracking those planes as they were unable to
    do How many of you are even aware of Operation
    Vanguard that day?

    So for me there is even more evidence that 9-11 was inside
    Job just as the assassination of President Kennedy and
    Even the Boston Marathon bombing. With regard to
    the later, alleged bombing suspect no. 1 seen at videos
    Taken at finish line appears at best 6 feet tall. Photos
    of Tamerlin T, alleged bombing suspect no.1 who was boxer
    and killed a a few days later was 6’5.” Clearly not the guy
    identified as suspect no. 1 seen in videos at the
    finish line. This is not to say that the guy on trial is
    not the bomber whether or not e’s the guy seen in
    various videos.

    So, Hat, yes these events are more important
    Then the mortgage crisis, and think you
    would agree that if such acts were an inside
    job, it’s scary that those behind these
    horrific events on our home turf are still
    free to walk among us and able to
    repeat these deadly deeds again.
    Do think the Dept. of Homeland Security
    should be renamed Dept. of Homeland

    • I don’t have any facts or classified info so I won’t comment on this one.

      Aren’t you a tad worried that the NSA’s inference Bots may have bumped you up a threat level or two, Frank? Or do they just ignore people who already know this stuff, thinking that your average uninformed shmuck will just think they’re nuts?

  96. Feltbot’s Onion tweet about antidepressants has given us yet another digression. For anyone curious, I strongly recommend Allen Frances’s Saving Normal. Quite readable, quite sane, quite engaging. And it’s a frightening picture of yet another way how hype and money and narrow thinking have led us astray.

    From the Amazon description:

    “Today, however, millions of people who are really no more than ‘worried well’ are being diagnosed as having a mental disorder and receiving unnecessary treatment. In Saving Normal, Allen Frances, one of the world’s most influential psychiatrists, explains why stigmatizing a healthy person as mentally ill leads to unnecessary, harmful medications, the narrowing of horizons, the misallocation of medical resources, and the draining of the budgets of families and the nation. We also shift responsibility for our mental well-being away from our own naturally resilient brains and into the hands of ‘Big Pharma,’ who are reaping multi-billion-dollar profits.”

    Shame we don’t have a shrink onboard here. It would add to the fun.

    • And let me tie this to the Gulf war discussion. Excerpt from the book:

      “A case in point: Since 2005 there has been a remarkable eightfold increase in psychiatric prescriptions among our active duty troops. An incredible 110,000 soldiers are now taking at least one psychotropic drug, many are on more than one, and hundreds die every year from accidental overdoses.”

      • the numbers would look even uglier if some of the ‘accidental overdoses’ were recorded as suicides. judy garland was an accidental overdose, right ?

      • Why is it incredible that 110,000 soldiers asked to die for Hummers need help?

    • Nice post rgg. Besides the trumping of medications under a very broad umbrella as cure-alls for the masses, the medical industry misses the mark in other ways that have peeved me. One small persoanl example is my father. When a doctor would throw out an “insignificant” comment that, say, his leg would take 3 months to fully heal, there was no way in hell that it would be healthy before 3 mo’s. He was on blood thinners and if i included a bit of kale or spinach in his meal (on his taboo list of foods), he would almost accuse me of trying to kill him! He took what doctors said as gospel and it always flustered me. Some doctors are brilliant but lack that vital human touch, and somewhat short us (and themselves) in the naturally resilient brain category. Ya gotta believe or it just won’t happen!

      Everyone gets depressed. Its a by-product of life and an indication that something probably needs changing in your life. Of course, PTSD and debilitating chemical imbalances are not normal depression.

      One of my best friends, a Desert Storm Vet, was diagnosed with a form of PTSD. He goes to the VA clinic up here at Lands End SF for his weekly counseling. And he supplements his anti-depressant meds with ample doses of alcohol and recreational drugs. Sad, really, but I do believe Marijuana is the best med for him, judging by my laymans years of observation.

  97. rgg — about half of what you said @ 101 is asinine (as Stephen A Smith loves to say). I’ll point out the parts I disagree with. (I agree with you on Barnes.)

    1) Kerr was part of 3 championship teams under Phil Jackson and 2 more championships under Greg Popovich. This gives him a championship pedigree whether you think he was a minor piece, or not. Very few great players become great coaches. Kerr, as a r0le-player, was a high IQ player and now he is a high IQ coach. Whether you credit Gentry and Adams or Kerr himself, it’s clear that he’s rarely being out-coached on either end of the floor, like the team was under Jackson last season.

    2) You are being extremely abstract in how you think Lee should be played. Should he be playing over the oft-injured Bogut as a starter? Should he be playing limited minutes as a backup 5? Should he be starting at 4 instead of Green? What is Lee’s correct role on this team? Felty says he should be a change of pace 5 and the offense should run through him as a the screener on P&R. IMO, Lee CANNOT take the place of Bogut. In fact, Bogut may be filling the exact role that the Warriors need on this team. Get out of the low post and let Klay FREAKING Thompson take the ball at the rack. When Bogut screens at the top of the key his man has to hedge on Curry which leaves the inside wide open. Klay and Curry taking the ball all the way to the rim is no accident. It’s because Bogut’s man has to guard Curry. The offense has been spectacular thus far, even with Bogut on the floor.

    3) The team is NOT relying on the triangle offense at all. They are playing at the fastest pace in the league and shooting a ton of 3s. There may be some concepts from the triangle, but it sounds idiotic to keep spewing veiled concerns about “the triangle” because, simply put, the Warriors are not being bogged down by it. They also do not resemble the Lakers or Bulls in any way except that their talented 2 guards are prolific and talented scorers. (You can’t tell me that Klay is being used like Jordan and Kobe though).

    4) Finally, you DON’T build a 42-9 team on accident and weakness. I am not going to defend the FO because they are very annoying. However, they have brought in Iggy and Bogut who are very good players and have complemented Curry and Thompson almost perfectly. That’s the reason this team is 42-9. There are injury concerns with Bogut and they may have paid too much for both, but there is a championship window that is wide open right now. If they didn’t spend some money to win this year and next, they will have missed Curry’s peak, and what a shame that would be. The bench is average, but has done enough to get Curry and Thompson more rest than last season. A backup point guard would be nice. It’s too bad they didn’t recognize the need.

    You really have been a sourpuss this season, and I think it’s time to stop talking and watch things play out.

    • CW, what happens to the Warriors offense (Bogut playing on the perimeter) if Boguts man simply ignores Bogut on those perimeter screens and doubles Curry? Or drops back into a semi zone after Curry passes? I think opponents will soon adjust. Bogut is critical to the Warriors for his defense, especially during the play offs, so his offense role might need adjusting. If he would roll and attack the rim in traffic, that would be a great adjustment, I think.

    • Apparently no one can read.

      The first thing that should be obvious is that by saying the team is built on weaknesses I’m respecting its considerable talents. I like its talent too much to get cautious. That is what charges and motivates me and keeps me engaged. But they’ve had to work all kinds of kludges to work around its two limited players, when there were other options. They’ve put two all star caliber players on the bench to help them out. This makes no sense to me, come the playoffs.

      1. Your argument is unconvincing but also irrelevant. Kerr has made many brilliant moves this season in running up tempo offense and going small. The defense has mostly been superb. For what it’s worth (nothing) I have applauded him. We also began the season understanding there would be changes later, presumably when Lee got healthy. Yet those changes never came.

      And when he says he’s going to stay the course when he hasn’t tried other options, I lose confidence, especially when it’s not at all clear staying the course will lead to wins in the playoffs. The evidence from their play against top teams is not at all convincing so far.

      And that’s the context of my whole discussion, which apparently no one has grasped.

      2. Everyone has been extremely specific about how to use Lee: get him back in the starters, along with Iguodala (or maybe Green?), Bogut, Klay, and Steph, a starting lineup that was very successful last season with an inferior coaching staff. And close out with Lee, Green, Klay, Steph, and Iguodala, an incredibly effective unit. Green, btw will get all kinds of minutes at 3 and 4. All kinds of changes will be made in between. The evidence has been staring us in the face for a whole season, and Feltbot gave the stats. What more do you want?

      3. My triangle reference specifically was to whatever Kerr is doing with the slow motion post up Lee with the subs, which has had very mixed results, mostly dismal.

      4. What no one has responded to is that what enabled wins against lesser teams, the fast breaks, the guard shooting, will be clamped down in the playoffs. They will need some kind of other scorer to take the pressure off the guards.

      Look at their losses or close wins to top competitors who were not injury ridden, and do what NO ONE has done, not Swopa, not YT, not FFG, not Harry, nor anyone else has done—

      But maybe you can, thinker of non-asinine thoughts and non sourpuss, tell us why keeping the rotation as it is will produce wins in the playoffs.

      I can’t see it.

      Sorry, I forgot.


      Ommmm. . . . .

      • While you’re at it, remind me how perfectly Bogut complements the guards, why playoff teams won’t do what St. Jean said about the Atlanta game, that they put pressure on the guards and conceded Barnes, Green, and Bogut so the Warriors could try to make those beat them. You have confidence in their offense?

      • That’s just it. There is an unknown here. We don’t know how they will fare in a 7 game series against the likes of Memphis or San Antonio.

        That said, it’s totally relevant that Kerr has played on 5 championship teams because he knows exactly what it takes to win a championship. This means he will rest his guys and prepare them for the playoffs, rather than run them ragged just to grab the top seed. If the Warriors are rested properly heading into the playoffs, they will be able to beat a team like Memphis in a 7-game series. They will run them into the ground. (Memphis doesn’t have the defensive depth to stay with the Warriors). As for lack of adjustments, that’s totally in your head. There have been plenty of adjustments, including closing with Iggy rather than Bogut, playing Speights heavy minutes in the first 25 games, and putting Green at 5.

        As for David Lee, the guy has come off a fairly serious injury and has not come “all the way back” to his prime. He has not shown that he can make a midrange jumper consistently and he’s not able to attack the basket yet, like in years past. I believe the increased passing role is because he isn’t the David Lee of the past, yet. Hopefully he rounds into form, and Kerr can use him as the primary offensive option in stretches over the next 30 games. He is no longer the 20-10 guy that Feltbot coveted in years past. I think 15-8 is reasonable if he plays enough minutes, but those games of 20 points, 10 rebounds are likely gone for good because he can’t play 35 minutes per night (and bang underneath) consistently. There is also the conundrum of Lee’s defense. He can’t guard stretch 4s, so he can only play against centers and post-up 4s, which automatically limits his minutes in today’s NBA.

        About half my thoughts are asinine, as are half of yours. As for the sourpuss outlook, I would like to see your analysis of the moves that have worked out for Kerr, because there are an abundance. You have been overly critical of a perceived lack of changes to the starting lineup of a 42-9 team. I still don’t get it.

        My personal favorite change this season? Allowing Curry to sag of his man and into the passing lanes. The guy is averaging more than two steals per game which usually ignite the fast break and lead to dunks and open 3s.

        • “As for David Lee, the guy has come off a fairly serious injury and has not come “all the way back” to his prime.”

          To repeat my earlier post, because you seem to want to ignore facts:

          David Lee offensive stats:

          2013-14: .42 points per min., eFG% 52.4
          2014-15: .39 points per min., eFG% 48.2

          That’s not an offensive dropoff when playing almost exclusively with the 2nd unit, sharing frontline scoring duties with Speights.

          In addition, DLee is playing better defense than he ever has before. Better than Speights, which is why Speights doesn’t get more playing time.

        • (With all due respect)

          Kerr won championship games because of Michael Jordan and, with the Spurs, superior talent and superior coaching. His experience is as relevant as MJax’s, except MJax played a much larger role in leading teams. None of that tells us anything.

          If Kerr is not going through serious critical review with the staff over all his decisions, I am seriously disappointed, though seriously doubt that is the case. But staying the course sounds cautious. All I’m doing is trying play along at home, while everyone else is chanting the record. I simply want to see this team reach its potential and not settle for compromises or cautious play and diminishing returns.

          Resting the roster is commendable, in fact probably was a mandate after the botched roster and MJax having to play for his job caused him to overplay the starters. You are assuming what we all have been assuming, however, that Kerr will make adjustments, which haven’t come, not with the starters, and may not come for the playoffs if he stays the course. There’s no reason he couldn’t experiment in key games. One of which was Atlanta:

          He closed with Barnes and Bogut 4th quarter. They couldn’t curb Atlanta’s scoring, which this supposedly superior defensive unit should have contained, especially since they are smaller than other contenders, and couldn’t keep up with the scoring themselves, using that unit. Why not think that is what we’ll see in the playoffs? There have been other similar games, with similar results, with cause for questioning, with more will come.

          Lee’s injury is a concern, but he simply isn’t being played to his strengths and isn’t given many shots. Why aren’t they trying his midrange now, say on the pick and pop? He’d get open easily. It’s impossible to know what he’s capable of, given the way he’s been played. Kerr isn’t finding out. As for his defense, it was fine in both starting and closing lineups used last season, when surrounded by the right players, which the team has. And they have superior defensive coaching this year.

          There have been brilliant games, and those have been praised. The hectoring perimeter defense coupled with transition offense has been especially illuminating. However much of what worked in those has not been tried in others, specifically going to smaller lineups, getting faster facilitators with the subs and essentially overriding Livingston, pushing the pace and opening up shots. We haven’t seen that with the subs lately.

          And there have been many muddling wins, which of course we’ll always take, but are hardly cause for elation. Also there have been blowouts of godawful competition, which we’ll take as well but which don’t tell us much and which were hardly cause for elation either. It’s been a very odd season, with almost everything going the Warrior’s way, especially with the injuries to key players among their opponents. These just leave us scratching our heads.

          So San Antonio Friday. Assuredly we’ll see the same starting lineup. Will he close with the same unit as against Atlanta, or has he learned from his mistakes? Will he play the same muddling offense with the subs and hope Barbosa can hit a streak and Iguodala knock down his shots? Will they be able to get the steals and fast breaks against a well coached team?

          We’ll find out. I’m still not clear, however, what kind of shape Leonard is in, who makes all the difference in the world.

    • Excellent point on Bogut helping offense.

      Felt wants to see Lee at C and Green at SF but he missed the part as who will play 4.

      • Barnes, obviously. :)

      • When Lee is at center, green at four. When Lee at four, green at three. If you want to understand me, you have to read me.

        • Better start getting Steve Kerr to read you. There’s an interview at where he describes Draymond at PF being central to their defensive scheme… and liking the Livingston-Speights combination in the 2nd unit.

          Lee doesn’t seem to be in his plans very much, perhaps not at all.

          • So what do think about that? You take shots, but don’t say much. Do spend a lot of time, as this one will take some thought.

          • Say what, rgg? My substantive thoughts on the subject are already expressed up above, in a thread where you commented directly beneath mine. (Granted, that’s hardly an exclusive occurrence.)

            You’re the most prolific commenter on the board. Perhaps if you spent less time typing & more time reading and thinking, you might understand more.

          • I did read it. I read the posts and comments, those that make sense.

            But you didn’t take a stand or give much defense for this decision. In fact there was no analysis at all. If you spent more time reading yourself, responding to points made, taking a stand and defending it, rather than taking cheap shots or dismissing things you don’t like or understand, maybe something useful could occur. This never happens.

          • Also Swopa, the Side-Steppa, ducks questions. Why do you like this starting lineup and think it will work? What do you think of the Kerr quote @101, his philosophy?

          • From the Department of Questions Asked and Answered:

            I previously wrote here regarding why I think Kerr likes the current starting unit and leaves the 2nd unit to work out its issues:

            Obviously, Kerr likes the current lineup for its switchability on defense, as well as its spacing on offense (Green/Barnes at the 3-point line, with Bogut above the free-throw line, leaves the paint open for Steph & Klay to drive). But the downside, frequently discussed here, is the lack of spacing in the 2nd unit, as well as the occasional defensive liability of Speights & Lee on the floor together.

            Kerr’s choice has been to maximize the ability of the starting 5 to play his preferred strategy, and improvise with/not worry about the bench unit as long as those problems are contained within the 10-12 minutes Curry is resting. And at 39-8, he’s obviously earned the benefit of the doubt.

            As a bonus, you can read here about an alternate arrangement I have considered to be workable… a comment that you responded to, in a rare moment of common sense and courtesy.

            Not to pat myself on the back too much, but my signal-to-noise ratio here is easily better than yours, rgg. And your gibe about “taking cheap shots” is, ironically, itself just a knee-jerk insult you’ve launched at other people whose opinions you don’t like (such as harry, whose contributions here are almost unfailingly substantive, and who is much more civil than I am). So you may want to STFU the next time you think about using it, since it just makes you look even more like an ill-tempered, ignorant ass.

          • Yes, that certainly is the case (DLee not favored). The “42-9 if its not broke don’t fix it” is valid, as Felt noted at the beginning of this commentary. Certainly DLee and Bogut need their rest (and probably Iguodala) to be healthy for and during the playoffs. Kerr experimented early-on, as Felt noted and praised in a previous column, particuarly in placing Bogut on the perimeter in a screening and distributing role (with the occasional alley-oop play). Kerr might be forced into further line-up adjustments and sets as opponents adjust. The SA contest this Friday should be interesting, as well as entertaining.

  98. Detroit is gonna court Green heavy. From AW:

    “For the Warriors to find a way to keep Green, they’ll have to move David Lee and the $15 million owed him in the 2015-16 season. Ownership has instructed management in Golden State that it doesn’t need to find a deal for Lee before the trade deadline, because the organization simply doesn’t want to upset the balance and chemistry of a championship contender.

    “Nevertheless, there are teams with interest in working deals for Lee that would include them receiving assets – primarily draft considerations – for taking on his salary and those could be options for Golden State before the deadline on Thursday, league sources said.”

    Stay tuned.

    • You have to wonder if they’ve been sending out feelers on Lee all along, one reason they haven’t played him many minutes, to preserve him, and the reason they have marginalized his role, since they don’t plan on using him seriously.

    • Well, actually, the Ws don’t need to move Lee to keep Green. If you take Lacob at his word, he’s perfectly willing to pay “whatever it takes” (his words) to have a winning team ASAP. He’s “fully expecting to go over the cap” (his words) for a season or two. After that, the cap almost doubles and he’s sittin’ in gravy.

      Lacob has exclusive NBA rights to the 4th largest metro area in the America, he’s building a multi-use arena in the 2nd most affluent city in America with urban development funds, he’s fully writing off his original purchase price for the team, and if he has a winning team he’s going to sell 25% less tix at a 300% increase in ticket prices. Luxury tax? Who the fuck could possibly care about that? Ballmer just laid out $2 Bill for a team that doesn’t even own their own stadium. You think Lacob cares about a couple of $Million here or there? Get real.

      The only real Q is whether Kerr et. al. see any value in retaining DLee. His offensive numbers this season almost match those of Speights, a younger player without Lee’s history of injuries. But Speights is also a player who has never been a starter and never will be an AllStar.

      Really now, who’s the better player, Lee or Speights? Don’t question that unless you’re willing to bet on Speights learning team defense, always showing up to camp in shape, always delivering 100% effort, and always burying his ego for the good of the team. Like Lee.

      OF COURSE Draymond will get courted by Detroit. OF COURSE it could be tempting to go back home. But really? The Warriors can match any offer, and they undoubtedly will.

      And if they choose to keep Lee, they’ll do that too. It would actually be kinda hard to trade him, and he’s a fantastic “ace in the hole” for when (not if) Bogut goes down later this season, and every season for the rest of his contract.

  99. I’ve forgotten. Where to the Warriors stand on draft picks the next few seasons and how many have they given up? (Something else to thank Myers for.)


    • the draft picks still owed on various deals, mostly from shipping jefferson and biedrins while importing iguodala — second round picks to Phi (’15), UT(’16, ’17), and Den(’18). second rounders are potentially huge bargains with a wide latitude in the contracts teams can offer under the c.b.a. the lacobites like to flash their cash at draft time and buy picks, so they don’t consider that void significant. of course, they don’t do so well with the players they pick up with those purchased picks (tyler, NN, kuzmic, while passing up gobert to trade down with the pick spent on NN). a first round pick is also owed to UT in ’17.

      on the credit side, they own their first round picks in ’15 and ’16, but as a trade asset only the ’15 is liquid. they can draft a guy in ’16 and trade him off immediately when the draft is completed, because it would cease to be a ‘future’ pick under the stepien rule.

    • Here you go:

      Essentially, 2017 is the only year remaining that they have no 1st rounder. On the flip side, they have no second round pick until 2018. You can debate the value of second rounders versus savvy D-League foraging.

  100. JB and AlvinA reminisce in the Chron:

    Barnett: “I wound up with the San Diego Rockets through the expansion draft for my second year in the league, and Pat Riley came in as the team’s No. 1 draft pick out of Kentucky. Very confident. Drove a yellow ’67 Corvette. Had 25 sport coats and suits to my three. Making $25,000 year while I made $14,000. So I wasn’t friends with him in any regard. It was an expansion team, they were gonna cut people, and I don’t think we said two words to each other the whole season. The next year, when we both knew we were on the team, we ran around together, had a lot of fun. Pat was a good player who became a great coach. And think about it: He was the last guy cut by Portland in 1970. The Lakers picked him up on waivers for a thousand dollars. He would never have gone into broadcasting (as Chick Hearn’s sidekick) if he hadn’t been in L.A. And it was only through broadcasting that he became a coach, as Lakers assistant to Paul Westhead. Then he replaced Westhead (1981) and just took off. Funny how things work out”

    It’s online at SFGate

    • That’s just the Jazz establishing an opening bid. Their demands don’t even seem unreasonable, which is kind of a warning flag.

      If Kanter is honestly a promising big, they should have started higher. Is Kanter a head case? Why would the Jazz ask so little for him?

      • See the Zach Lowe comments at the end of the linked article.

        • Sorry, not an “ESPN Insider.” Would you mind sharing Lowe’s comments?

          • “… Kanter’s representatives are a little nuts, and there aren’t many teams stoked to pay his next contract.

            Kanter is a tweener who probably leans more toward the center spot but can’t protect the rim or do the other things on defense that teams need from centers. The power forward position is absolutely loaded around the league, and teams aren’t much interested in bigs who can’t shoot 3s or patrol the hoop.”

          • Oh, OK. Thanks. I read that in Lowe’s Grantland piece.

            Ragerdless of Kanter’s agent’s antics, at the deadline Kanter will have to choose between a winning team or a losing team. If he goes with a winner, he’ll be a backup until he learns to be great. And he could be great.

            If he signs with a losing team, he might earn a little more initially, but he’ll remain a 2nd/3rd tier center throughout his career.

            It’s an open question which way Kanter will go on that choice.

          • talk from kanter’s agent now is what he’s paid for. if he stays for the season’s remainder and they get an offer above UT’s qualifying number (over $7 m.) in July, we’ll see how discriminating they’ll get. getting away from UT, with a raise, might be their priorities at that time.

    • the 2011 draft features a number of disappointments (vesely, fredette, biyombo, d.williams) and just o.k. players(kanter, t.thompson, and others) in the top ten, relative to the 11(thompson) through 30 (butler), a group also including leonard, faried, the morrises.

      until there’s actually a deal, we don’t really know how ‘cheaply’ kanter will sell for — UT could end up holding for the market to shift, which it always does. they simply don’t need him in a substantial role with the modest impact he makes when he plays. the usual rationalization, bigs take longer to put things together, might not wash if they’re weary of his lacklustre games on defense and the boards.

  101. footnote for the guvnor’s twit about dragic getting alienated by Phx — their g.m. is another whiz kid, apprenticed under ainge in Bos, son of longtime sports scribe mcdonough who altogether has three sons in national sports media and big league personnel. Phx has young big on the auction block as well, plumlee.

    • Great, Plumlee, another stiff. We already have Ezeli.

    • Hornacek made an odd comment at ESPN today:

      Coach Jeff Hornacek was charged with making the three point-guard thing work.

      “Was it ideal? No,” Hornacek said. “Would it have got back to where it was last year? Maybe. But there’s no reason talking about it now until the trade deadline goes by.”
      “Charged with”—that suggests the three guard set wasn’t his idea, but his GM’s and/or Sarver’s? Odd, too, he would make such a statement if he was planning to keep his job. Do you or Feltbot know anything here? I thought Phoenix was an intriguing team, especially after they shed Okafor’s big contract (right?). But I wondered about this three guard business and the apparent marginalizing of Dragic’s talents.

      Which also makes us wonder what mandate Kerr might be following from his estimable brain trust.

      • from what we’ve seen of hornacek, he enjoys being a coach and probably told his bosses it was his job to make it work, after they signed thomas. doesn’t seem very likely to me, thousands of miles and social/information layers away, that he was the proponent of the acquisition.

      • GM McDonough has already given a mea culpa.

        The IT signing in Phoenix was perplexing because all three lead guards, Dragic, Bledsoe and IT, need the ball in their hands to be great. None of them are what you would call great spot up shooters. They’re penetrators extraordinaire.

        Dragic has endured numerous insults in his career, and is obviously fed up. He was one of the top 20 players in the league last year, despite being forced to share the ball with Bledsoe. This season, he barely touches the ball in the fourth quarter. Ridiculous.

        The “asset accumulation” strategy that is currently en vogue among the league wunderkind (h/t moto) has limitations in the resentments that spring up. The Warriors are extremely lucky in their outsized success this year for that reason — none of the players dare express annoyance.

        • They signed IT as they first were unwilling to pay Bledsoe as much and Bledsoe was not signing their contract. They probably thought they can trade IT anyway.

        • “Tolliver 2 years/$6m from the Suns.

          Suns building the team I wish the Warriors had.”

          -Feltbot, July 16, 2014

          (Note: This occurred after the Isaiah Thomas signing)

          “The Suns added jitterbug Isaiah Thomas to their team in the offseason, and it’s safe to say their backcourt, with Goran Dragic, Eric Bledsoe and the surprising Gerald Green will give teams fits. Teams like the Warriors, especially, that lack small and quick guards.”

          -Feltbot, October 9, 2014

          “The IT signing in Phoenix was perplexing”

          -Feltbot, February 18, 2015

          • Tolliver: Exactly the kind of player the Warriors needed, as Steve Kerr recognized when he stated that he wanted a stretch four, and wound up putting Green into the starting lineup. But before the season, Bob Myers stated that “Steve would walk that statement back now if he could,” and that the Warriors intended to “play as big as we can, whenever possible.” There was no inkling that they would pair a stretch-four with Bogut.

            So thank you for pointing out just how right I was about this. 42-9 right.

            IT: I’m perplexed in hindsight. I didn’t know at that time that Hornacek would solve McDonough’s cube by playing IT in crunchtime, and either benching Dragic or playing him off the ball. I also didn’t have a lot of faith in Bledsoe’s health, which I thought was a prime reason McDonough made the move. A third possibility was that the Suns intended to move Dragic, as was rumored, for reasons that I didn’t understand. I thought the Suns had a plan. It’s apparent now that they didn’t. Fault me all you like for that.

            At any rate, I don’t view my statements then and now as contradictory in the slightest. I didn’t see a strong need for IT in Phoenix, but I did see a blazing fast team that gave the Warriors fits last year get even faster.

            What was most perplexing to me is that the Warriors didn’t pursue IT, or a player like him, who could effectively move Curry off the ball by drawing two or more defenders the way IT does. And set up Klay as well.

            Who is the Warriors second unit point guard? Who is their sixth man? Who will get it done in the playoffs? Those are all current questions, that could have been solved in an instant by a better signing than Shaun Livingston for $16 million.

          • Nothing in the comment has anything to do with the Warriors. The Tolliver quote was about the second sentence. Was just confused because I thought you were high on what the Suns did and then you had this latest line that you felt it was “perplexing”.

            You have explained it was perplexing in hindsight. Thanks for the clarification. I was not commenting on the Tolliver signing, was posting that quote due to the implied commentary on the IT signing.

            Although, now I’m curious. Do you still think Hornacek is a top coach?

            I completely agree that the Warriors should have spent their money on someone (or two players) other than Livingston. I hope Livingston is traded over the summer. Unsure what the connection is with the above quotes though. Also, Thomas was not available for the MLE, therefore the Warriors could not get him.

            By the way, a big fan of your writing.

          • ” There was no inkling that they would pair a stretch-four with Bogut…”

            Well, there was this:

            “You saw Draymond make five threes in Game 7 (of the playoff series against the Los Angeles Clippers), which is one of the reasons why the Warriors almost won that game. We need some shooting out of that position.

            “I love David Lee, and I think he’s going to be our starter, and he’s going to score a lot and be our slasher and our interior scorer. But we need to complement that with some perimeter shooting from that spot, too.”

          • Kerr says in the quote above that Lee would start, but the repeated emphasis on needing perimeter shooting at PF foreshadowed how tenuous Lee’s hold on a starting spot was.

            Ironically, following the dropoff in Green’s 3-point shooting, Kerr has started playing him at the same mid-post spot that Lee often occupies with the 2nd unit.

          • Thanks, Jerry. And I don’t mind having my feet held to the fire if something in my positions is unclear or contradictory. I will usually respond unless you’re one of the type who delights in deliberately misunderstanding, misquoting and misrepresenting my opinions — rather overrepresented here as of late.

            I do still love Hornacek. He was given a very flawed and dysfunctional roster this season, and it’s a testament to him that the Suns have performed as well as they have. Their roster is not special.

            Here, by the way, is how much Dragic wanted out:


            I don’t blame Hornacek for standing Dragic on the wings. Out of the three point guards he had to play, Dragic was the best candidate for that role. I think McDonough screwed the pooch here — Dragic was the Suns best player.

        • Well, now Phoenix doesn’t have any Dragics or IT.

          A three guard team getting rid of its guards—what does this remind me of?

    • And now Denver is looking to move Lawson. . . .

  102. Each of us must determine whether the
    beheading and killing by ISIL has
    religious roots or done by a mercenary
    army fined by citizens in Saudi Arabia
    and Qatar and done for the purpose of
    influencing the American public into
    wanting President Obama into sending
    US ground troops into Syria primarily
    not only to oust iSIL but also the Syrian
    government. And if he doesn’t, to use such
    as an issue in the next Presidential election.
    I think it’s the later.

    For me, it’s a win-win for the MFer’s
    doing these horrific acts.

    And if I’m right, who is pulling the
    puppet strings behind those in Saudi
    Arabia and Qatar. A hint may be the
    fact that there is aUS a military base
    in Qatar, and both Saudi Arabia are
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    Interesting, it seems that the press has
    perverted the Koran by making it like it
    advocates a holy war when according to
    an expert on MNBC tonight, if I
    correctly digested what he said, that
    the Koran only authorizes a defensive

    • Geez, Frank. No matter how many conspiracy sites you visit, you don’t really “know” any more about this stuff than anyone else. Do you seriously expect anyone but a nutcase to believe that 9-11 was an inside job? That would be kinda hard to explain if the slightest leak came out.

      Do you seriously think ISIL – an organization that is being bombed into the stone age as we speak – will drive US elections over a year from now? They’ll be ashes, dude. A distant memory by then.

      Wanna talk some bball? We gotcher Warriors here, poised to win a championship, sorta.

    • It’s hard not to wonder what’s going on if you read this stuff—I read Scott’s book. The stuff we do know is cause for plenty of concern in itself. Keep it coming, Frank. I’ve enjoyed this discussion.

      • rgg, point of order.

        “Discussion” implies dialog. Frank is conducting a monolog. Unless you want to jump into the conspiracy bin with him.

  103. Swopa @106—

    Yes, I do recall your comment about a month ago, though remember it had to be dragged out of you. And I thought it was thoughtful and intriguing, and said so. It set the subject for future conversations about changes to the starting lineup, which apparently isn’t happening.

    I remain mystified by this statement, however:

    “So I suspect that means Barnes remains a starter, too (for continuity, and also because IMO Green/Barnes complement each other well).”

    Because I can’t see it, but I guess we’ll have to take your word for it?

    I forgot your second comment, posted above, but it seems to be a statement of Kerr’s decision, not a position by you, or have you changed your position? Not much analysis here. I guess we have to take your word here as well.

    “(Green/Barnes at the 3-point line, with Bogut above the free-throw line, leaves the paint open for Steph & Klay to drive).”

    I’ve questioned this because I haven’t seen it several key games and tried to make my best case. I also question it will work in playoff games. I assume this isn’t a topic of interest.

    I also suppose you aren’t interested in this post’s discussion, the value of Lee, as you have ignored all arguments about past seasons, stats, etc.

    So what are we supposed to do here? Curtsey and take swipes at Feltbot’s next post? This seems to be your procedure. Courtesy and noise may be in the eye of the beholder. Or the troll.

    • If you truly think I’m a troll, then I strongly suggest you stop feeding me. I’m sure you’ll find other ways to meet your quota of 10-20 comments here every day.

      • If you’re such hot shit, it seems to me you’d step up to the plate and make better arguments rather than quibbling and taking pot shots at posters and things you do not like. I’d genuinely like to see them, as I am looking for correction. But that’s not a suggestion because it’s not my place to make one and I have no interest in doing so anyway. You’re free to do whatever the hell you want.

        I always grant Feltbot the liberties of compression and simplification in what still are relatively brief posts, which build on each other and reflect back and have to be followed to see the whole picture. I also grant him sarcasm and other delights because he’s good at those. I respect him because he puts thought into his analysis and makes me see things in the games I don’t see myself.

        You don’t do any of those things.

        And he makes criticisms of the organization, players, and coaching, persuasively, no one else is making anywhere else. I don’t want to see dissent stifled.

        I freely admit my limitations but am giving my best shot at issues that genuinely concern me. I outline arguments, raise concerns, review brief but suggestive evidence. My comments are not too long, but rather not long enough. My motives are simple and direct: I want to see this team reach its potential and not settle for compromises.

        There’s an arrogance in your laconic quips, as if you expect us to wither away into silence with a single sally. And of course you’re free to do that. I’m not going to shut down, however, to suit your inscrutable agenda, whatever the hell it is, but try to get better.

        (Curtsey off stage)

        • rgg, please, your concerns are noted. You don’t need to repeat them any more.

          Swopa is just the latest in a long list of posters here who have asked you to tone down the constant negativity and worry. As you’ve noted (many times) you don’t have to. But…please?

  104. Blazers acquire Aaron Afflalo? Wow.

    This could let them give Batum the rest he needs to heal his wrist injury.

    Good defender, good three point shooter. Scary good team.

    • the former great and still youthful t.robinson gets to work under yet another coach in Den. Den meanwhile dumped salary on the big they’ve shipped to Phi, mcgee, and will have some trade exceptions in the bank.

      • I predicted TRob would be a bust before he played an NBA game. That’s looking good right now.

        Also predicted Julius Randle would bust. That was looking good as well before the injury.

  105. Brook Lopez to the Thunder is still breathing.

    This is one of the craziest seasons I’ve ever witnessed. Every team in the West senses Spurs weakness, and is balls to the wall to make a run at the title.

    • Every team?

    • the plan in Brk is to have r.jackson become the starting lead guard. quite a change from having either d.williams or livingston or j.jack for the job.

      Phx might just have to see dragic depart in June with nothing coming in return. he and his agent will be looking for about $80 m. for four years from the next employer — a trade now would give his new team an option for a bigger/longer deal, but the teams dragic specified didn’t bite.

  106. Try not to visit conspiracies sites.
    I my own research. For instance
    I spoke to law enforcement officer
    said when he saw on tv the assassination
    of President Kennedyand the arrest
    of Lee Harvey Oswald and heard
    his voice he immediately recognized
    him as a Marine he had met for two
    weeks at a US base in the summer of
    1959, in Adak, Alaska. Said Oswald
    was traveling by himself and spoke to
    him at mail call. Said he told him his name
    but did not recall it. But did tell me
    It was not Lee Harvey Oswald. Told him
    that he had been training and Castro
    rebels in Florida. Said the later Lee Harvey
    Oswald then left for Japan.

    The Warren Commission placed Oswald as
    being stationed in California in 1959, and
    never having been in Alaska nor Florida in

    The WC found that Oswald defected to the
    Soviet Union in 1959. Oswald’s passport photo
    appears not to be the Oswald later arrested
    in Dallas.

    E. Howard a former CIA officer said on his
    death bed that he was in on the plot to kill
    President Kennedy and was a benchwarmers
    An indication elements of our national
    Security apparatus overthrew our government
    That day in nov. 1963.

    I also spoke to a man that said he witnessed
    the President shot As a 10 year old boy. Said he
    was on grassy knoll and that two shots whizzed
    By over his head with first bullet striking President
    In throat abs second bully in frontal part of
    right side of head. Parkland doctors and
    President’s doctor into salt said same thing.

    He also said President shot at corner and
    Zapruder film a fraud. Local Dallas newspaper
    also said President Kennedy shot at
    Corner of Houston and Elm St.

    Said that two other shots also fired from
    In front of President from
    other. side of knoll that probably struck
    Gov. Connelly sitting in front of the
    President in the back as he turned
    to face the President. one of those bullets
    may have struck the President in the back
    of his head.

    He told me his father who was a former
    ArmyRanger and his mother said no
    bullets were fired at the President from
    the Texas School Book Depository

    Even some Secret arrive agents told the
    AP that the bullets were fired from
    The grassy knoll in front of the President.

    Even FBI DirectorHoover told President
    Johnson that President Kennedy was shot
    from the front but falsely told him
    The bullets were fired from the TSBD
    building. Johnson tapes printed in book
    Taking Charge.

    The WC found the President was shot
    from the rear from the TSBD building.
    Both findings are false.

    The WC ignored 43 eyewitness who said
    President shot from grassy knoll.

    It seems clear a rifle was planted in the
    TSBD building to frame Oswald who
    worked there and who had been one of their
    own and who had trained anti-Castro
    fighters. And that the bullets that were
    recovered. and said to match the rifle were
    exchanged for the real bullets and fragments
    that both men.

    And the Oswald had on
    New Orleans tv and radio two
    months prior to the assassination
    falsely portrayed himself as Oswald
    and as having defected to Russia
    in 1959 and as a Pro-Castro sympathizer,
    thus assuring that he was in
    fact Oswald.

    It’s no surprise that his alleged Russian wife
    Marina was not shown a photo of the arrested
    Lee Harvey Oswald and asked to identify
    him as her husband.

    Given you a lot to digest.

    With regard to 9-11, just want to
    add that my claim that civilian radar
    was interfered with on 9-11 to insure the
    highjacked aircraft would hit there targets was
    not the first time such was done.

    As according to a former US Air Force Officer,
    his book “Compromised” he claims that
    the US Air Force jammed civilian radar so
    US covert planes carrying drugs to US from
    Central America during Contra war could safely
    land in Arkansas. Nothing like elements in
    Covert national security apparatus poisoning
    on a widespread basis our own citizenry and
    Making them addicted to drugs. They used
    Air America owned by CIA to do same thing
    during Vietnam war. Al on the name of making

    I think the primary enemy controlling
    the horrific events being discussed is
    within and that there is nothing we can stop
    our families from being at risk as neither
    the Congress , the President nor the public
    have a clue. We’re all pawns and in a very bad

    • +1 Frank, you seem to be awake.

      Two good sites.

      Keep the faith.

      • Keep the faith in what exactly?

        That we’re all pawns in a very bad game? That 9-11 is an inside job? That the USofA is rotten to the core?

        If this is all true I’m glad we have people like yourself to protect us, Snowden. And I hope with your factual knowledge you’re doing whatever you can for the greater good, and not just puttering around on a hoops blog like the rest of us..

        • You should read some of this stuff, rzzz. I read one of the books Frank recommended last summer. The guy is respected. It was eye opening and sobering.

          • i’m pretty open-minded Rgg. But at this point of my life I like to read things that I enjoy.
            Right now i’m reading Mark twains “Roughin It.” Marks autobiography of coming out west as teenager with his brother on a stagecoach. His observations on the Mormons in Salt Lake, the Silver mining industry (and rampant speculation) in Nevada, and Gold Rush San Fran are priceless. I really think you could replace select chapters of High School US “history” books with sections from this one. Kids would learn a lot more, and be a hell of a lot more entertained!
            Marks description of camping on the shore of Lake Tahoe, when there wern’t more than 20 people on the perimeter of the Whole lake, is beautiful writing. They called it “ballooning” becuz of the clarity of the lake. Unfortunaetle, they almost burned down Tahoe Natl Forest.
            Never thought i would read Twain, but at almost 50, really recommend it. Salt of the Earth, hilarious slice of Americana by a great author.

          • Can’t argue with that. I finally got around to Life on the Mississippi a few years back, also a good read. It’s Moby Dick, however, that always restores my sanity.

            But remember Twain is also the guy who wrote The Damned Human Race. He’d feel at home in many of Frank’s posts and the books he mentions.



            “Man is the only animal that deals in that atrocity of atrocities, War. He is the only one that gathers his brethren about him and goes forth in cold blood and with calm pulse to exterminate his kind. He is the only animal that for sordid wages will march out, as the Hessians did in our Revolution, and as the boyish Prince Napoleon did in the Zulu war, and help to slaughter strangers of his own species who have done him no harm and with whom he has no quarrel.”

        • Your response indicates you are not informed. The American war industrial complex is responsible for the complete mayhem in Iraq, Afghanistan, Syria, and Ukraine all in the name of peace. At this moment, it is planning for troops to restart combat operations in Syria, and escalating another war in the Ukraine. This is not idle speculation.

          The links provided will help inform so perhaps Americans can better control the War Empire. Heads in the sand will only work for a while against endless wars.

    • KJ as pawn:

      You realize you can’t change the world but it shouldn’t stop you from trying.
      Kevin Johnson

      • Kevin Johnson the basketball player, I’m guessing?

        By the way Mary, it was BonTemp dam that I was referring to when trying to describe the starting point of the Crumb dudes hike. We always just called it it “kent lake dam/alpine dam”. I only vaguely remember another dam..

  107. Klay Thompson on the cover of SI this week (issue out today). Warriors reputation as a franchise is rapidly changing…….”How, in just 5 years and without a pick higher than #6, did Golden State go from a joke franchise to one of the best in sports?”.

  108. warriorsablaze

    Crazy trade deadline… Looks like OKC got better. If they can hustle into the playoffs, they have gotten scarier.

    Dubs stayed pat. I guess we’ll see if that was a good idea or not.

  109. Rgg: if you purchase the Zapruder film of
    President kennedy’s assassination and look
    at it frame by frame that the President was
    killed near the corner and not at shot once
    when hidden behind the about sign nor hit
    in the head further down the street.

    As a few frames show three policeman standing
    by the Presidential limousine in about six frames.
    They are numbered. They appear about 60 feet from
    corner somewhere in the 180’s of the numbered
    frames. Their white helmets are clearly visible and
    if I recall correctly some of their bodies can be seen
    By some of their feet have been excised from the film.
    The reason they are standing there is because the
    President has already been killed.

    Also theirs a book “The Science of Assassination”
    that points out that there are 4 splices in film indicating
    The film was altered and mentions a myriad of
    other evidence that the film was altered. also the
    Editor of the book, James Feltzer or Fetzner
    wrote that he was contacted by a CIA official
    who tried to get him to not publish the book
    and hinted either President Johnson or
    FBI Director Hoover ordered the CIA to alter
    the film. Zapruder was a Dallas dressmaker.
    His estate sold the fraudulent film to
    the US government for $14 million dollars.

    He had formerly resided in NYC. He belonged
    to the Council on Foreign Relations. His son was
    aFBI special agent. I believe a real investigation
    Would show that he was a pre selected witness to
    film the assassination.

    In the film after Texas Governor Connolly
    was shot multiple times his body fell into
    his wife’s arms. Then he miraculously
    Sits up and is facing forward. Actually,
    I don’t believe that’s him sitting up
    But rather a Secret Service Agent who
    Entered the car.

    The film shows the presidential limousine going
    approx 12 mph. on Elm St. never stopping nor
    Any door opening and a Secret Service agent
    entering the limousine. Yet a newspaper wrote
    that the door was open and the President’s
    leg fell out. It’s my opinion that when the door
    was opened a SS agent entered the limo
    and that is who is seen leaning forward in
    good health in the limo, and was not Gov.
    Connolly seen in the film.

  110. Suns ship out Dragic, IT, Plumlee and Ennis, get Brandon Knight and two Heat first rounders back. So they still have a two point guard backcourt. But better shooting.

    Michael Carter-Williams joined with Jason Kidd in Milwaukee.

    Will the Celtics start IT? I have him on both of my fantasy teams, so praying.

    • May be Suns figured, it can’t compete in playoffs even if they make it. Dragic’s public demand also forced their hand. Suns had a choice to make in summer about Bledsoe or Dragic. I would have gone Dragic but Suns chosen Bledsoe and they messed it up by not getting a contributor or prospect.

  111. Rockets pick up Prigioni and KJ McDaniels.

    So a three point shooting backup pg and a defensive monster on the wings.

    • Felt,

      Do you really think Pablo will help rockets ? He is in the w conference, he will be guarded by fastish players and stronger players.

  112. Guess I’ll have to eat my prediction of Phoe in the playoffs. Didn’t know they were gonna blow it all up, though. They really gave the Dubs (and many others) fits last year. Things went South fast for them. Reminds me of some of the old GS teams, and situations involving the likes of CWeb and SJax, which basically turn into no-win situations. Warriors lucky to have no chemistry or obvious player-mgmt factions this year, as of yet.

  113. Thunder HUGE winners:

    Trade Reggie Jackson and Kendrick Perkins.

    Get Enes Kanter, DJ Augustin and Kyle Singler back. Wowowowowowow.

    • warriorsablaze

      The rest of the regular season should be pretty wild. Thunder should have no problem moving past PHO, but can they make up 6 games to get into the top 7?

      OKC was already the team I least wanted to meet in the first round… I’m a bit skeptical that we’ll hold the #1 til the end, so we may dodge a bullet.

    • The Ws are screwed.

      • Disagree. Warriors are still good against OKC in a series with home court advantage. So not screwed but just became tougher series.

    • interesting tests for a couple of the coaches in those deals. van G. decides a potentially very good player is well worth a pretty good one (agustine) and an average one, and brings in a last-legs vet who thoroughly understands team play on both ends.

      brooks and OK get to see how much their commitment to defense and consistent effort instills a reform in kanter — UT has a good coach but no vet stars who’ve established winning standards.

      • How good does Kanter have to be defensively when playing alongside Ibaka, Durant, Roberson and Westbrook? imo, shooting and spacing, not defense, has been the perennial Thunder issue.

        cf. David Lee, playing alongside Green, Iggy, Klay and Curry

        • Durant is hobbled. He has a bad foot. Yet, last night he played 35 minutes. Brooks might run his stars into the ground simply to make the playoffs.

  114. So it was either an unsuccessful showcase, or it wasn’t a showcase. And if it wasn’t a showcase…

    Suspect that a lot of the early moves (Barnes and Green start) were covering for injuries when the season began (Lee, Iguodala knee – he sat out summer league) and maybe injecting some confidence into handsome HB (worked, which is good).

    We all know how the Dray starting move worked out. The rest seems a bit muddled, even with the 42-9 record. I’m hopeful that these smart guys will figure out what piece to put where come crunch time. The return of Holiday and if Barbosa keeps up the hot shooting of late would help…

    • I tried to tell you a month ago about the showcase thing, roberto…

    • I’m pretty sure I’m completely off here, but I wonder if they showcased Holiday so he might be available as a trade piece now. There doesn’t seem to be any interest in playing him now.

      At any rate, it’s the organization’s other problem—no worthwhile trade pieces, no players they can spare (except—), contracts they can’t move.

    • The possibility of a Warriors trade this season disappeared as soon as the Warriors came out of the gate leading the league, as I acknowledged months ago. That has no bearing on whether or not the desire to build up Barnes’ trade value played a role in his being moved to the starting lineup. (Kerr had hinted at his intent to start Barnes before the Lee injury, hadn’t he?)

      We won’t be able to fully gauge the Warriors intent until this summer. I remain extremely skeptical that Joe “We want to play big whenever possible” Lacob views Draymond Green as a starting power forward. If not, how could Barnes possibly fit into the Warriors plans? We shall see.

    • Think Iguodala’s move to bench had to do with two things, Livingston not being healthy so Kerr wanted someone to run bench and well, to maximize Barnes. Also, with Lee out, team needed some rebounding from SF position that Iguodala does’t provide.

  115. The Warriors trade deadline move: they just signed McAdoo for the rest of the season. I guess DLee won’t have to play in garbage time anymore.

  116. The possibility of a Warriors trade this season disappeared as soon as the Warriors came out of the gate leading the league, as I acknowledged months ago.

    Oh, really, Felt? So you’ve forgotten that you wrote this less than three weeks ago?

    The trading deadline is a very key moment in the Warriors season for more reasons than moto mentions. That’s the moment the showcase ends.

    Granted, I’m guessing you were quite drunk and giddy with excitement after a W’s loss when you posted it, so maybe it’s understandable that you don’t remember. But in any event, it’s an example of what longtimer meant when he noted your propensity to talk out of both sides of your mouth.

    • We are wracked with agony over this inconsistency, wondering what it might mean in the larger scheme of things:

      Feltbot’s mistake, if it is one, is a mistake many of us make here when we assume the FO might make a move that simply makes sense.

      • “when we assume the FO might make a move that simply makes sense.”

        This is funny. You assume lot of things on thinking of every named from Kerr to Lacob, so here is my reply with assumption but with some logic.

        The teams that made moves are the ones that were desperate to make playoffs or rebuild or forced to trade. Warriors could have definitely explored some small trades but in the end, they could have not seen anything that will improve. For example, they might have not seen anyone available as backup C that is better than Speights.

    • Swopa, your capacity to continually misunderstand me, or intention to misrepresent my meaning, is unrivaled. And that’s saying something given recent contributions to this board.

      What I meant is that Kerr can no longer have any extraneous reasons to play Barnes over Lee after the trading deadline. Just basketball reasons. Which meaning should be obvious in the context to anyone wishing to take part in the dialogue, rather than obsessively trying to sabotage it.

      • If the possibility of a trade vanished months ago, then so did any “extraneous reasons” for playing Barnes.

        But if you wish to focus solely on the future, fine. If Kerr is doling out minutes solely for basketball reasons, do you think Barnes’ minutes per game will increase or decrease between now and the playoffs?

        I’ve made my prediction here: I think his minutes will go up. Do you care to venture a prediction of your own?

  117. Swopa holding down the fort for Longtimer!

    There’s a lot of knee-jerk reactin’ goin on now, which I guess is logical as it’s hard to do any other kind of reacting before seeing the players play for their new teams. 2 months ago Feltbots Fake Gfriend asked if anybody here saw any other teams who could derail the Ws on their march to the championship. He said he didn’t. Now Hat says we’re screwed ( not sure if your serious here Hat). I was just watching OKC (Charlie friggin Villanueva with the 3!) and sure, they’re going to be improved. Them and SA stand squarely in the dubs way, with their little bro Mem right behind em. But is Enes kanter that much of a difference maker? Kyle Singer? (cough). He’s a heady player, but has always reminded me of MFunleavy. Guess I’m just playin devils advocate be cuz I’m a Dubs fan. anyway, the Warriors have proven themselves just as tough. When the Warriors are on their game at Oracle, they have a home court advantage unparalleled in the league. So the #1 seed is almost paramount. And we’re the front-runners…
    Klay and steph are getting a little short changed here. They’re two max players who can take the team far. It may not happen this year, but with smart moves by the FO they should be a perennial challenger. And as a long time fan I’m OK with that.
    I expect them to come out blazing tomorrow night and have the Dubs winning by 8. I do want to see what DLee has left, and I believe it was you, Swopa, who said he’s more of a 15-8 type player now as opposed to a 18-10 man. But that in itself would help greatly this season. I just hope Kerr and Co can give this team that extra tactical edge that makes a diff come playoffs.

    • Bear in mind that what the Thunder have most lacked in the last few seasons is shot makers to put around KD and RW. That’s exactly what Kanter and Singler bring, along with headiness.

      DJ Augustin is a tremendous back up point. Smart, good at PNR, shoots the three.

      The question is chemistry in the short preparation time. But no doubt in my mind the Thunder are vastly improved. Singler could also be a real sleeper in their system.

      • I don’t relish the thought of taking on the Thunder. These acquisitions may turn out very well for them, or may be relatively inconsequential. Augustins a player I hoped GS might pick up. If the Ws go all the way and defeat quality teams like OKC and SA it will make it that much sweeter.
        Of course I was reading with interest about all the trades, wondering what the Warriors may do. At this point I’m ready to squabble over some actual live GS hoops again, not theoretical stuff!
        Pop given his starters ample minutes tonite, probably sizing up the turnaround game at Oracle…

  118. Pop in full haq-a-shaq mode. It’s thoroughly enjoyable watching a horrid free-thrower – when he’s not on your team! Doc and Pop are both a bit stubborn, as this is getting comical. If it wasn’t so boring (I don’t enjoy NBA hoops when the Warriors aren’t involved).
    This whole thing made me ponder over da Dubs attempt to sign DeAndreJ, however. Steph can help any player look good, but DJordans already got CP3. He puts up big numbers, but his impact on the game is just not that great (check the clips record). He had Dray guarding him for large parts of last years playoffs, and the clips barely pulled it out. Glad we don’t have to watch him shoot FTs in a GS uniform, at 11 mill per.

    Pop extending his starters in this close game. GS by 10 mañana.

    Shnighters all

  119. So what did we learn about the Spurs and Clippers, other, of course, than Jordan can’t shoot a free throw?

    Leonard hasn’t returned to form, which might make all the difference in the world for the Spurs. They need his scoring threat inside and out to tax the defense and open up others.

    The Spurs can be scored on inside—if you have a front court players who can score. But without that threat from the Warriors, or an aggressive scorer like Leonard, will the Spurs be able to focus on the guards and shut them down? It will be hard to run against the Spurs, but that’s what they need to do. And the Spurs have a better bench in a better run system. Plus shooters who can get hot.

    I predict ambiguous results tonight. I also got da jitters.

    • I learned:

      1) Kawhi Leonard has probably reinjured his right hand ligament issue. He’s shooting .299 over last 5 games, 1-11 last night.

      2) Pop will probably rest 3 starters tonight.

  120. I guess I missed the Spurs picking up our old friend Reggie…and based on this tweet, I’m assuming they signed him for the remainder. Good for him… hope he can take advantage (just not tonight, Reggie).

    Blessed to be on for the rest of season 🙌🙏 #spurs— Reggie Williams (@reggiew55) February 20, 2015

  121. Good fluff piece on the Warriors in SI. Not recommended for the joyless curmudgeons among us….

    • Being critical, in the best sense of the term, is not negative. In fact there is a real joy in it, based on realistic assessment and genuine appreciation. But if everyone else wants fluff, you have to ask what is going on with them.

      Thanks, however, for the RW info. If Pop wants and keeps him, there must be something there and I assume he’ll get a shot. Wouldn’t mind seeing him tonight.

      • Like to see him also. Especially on D tonite!

        This is probably gonna sound like a pipeload, rgg, but sometimes its better to accept your worst-case scenario in advance. It can free up a lot of energy that might be frittered away otherwise dwelling on the negative. Just accept the fact that the Warriors will get knocked out in the First round. Take a load off your mind. And any subsequent success is icing on the cake.
        I agree with alot of your critical points on the team, actually. For so many years i knew the Warriors had no chance in hell at the crown, or even sniffing the playoffs, after only watching 3 or 4 games at the start of the season. I got used to this fact, stuck with them and derived enjoyment from odd, even sadistic, angles. Got a new toy to play with now.

        • Each to his own, I guess. For me, I like to set expectations high, based on potential—and the team has it. In fact I’ve been high on it for five years now, which is why I keep watching. It’s all the stuff that gets in the way that is depressing. And I don’t like glossing over that stuff.

          Cheering easy wins against weak opposition isn’t satisfying. And winning against teams that are depleted is not satisfying either. Also we just don’t learn anything in those games. It’s why this season is so frustrating. We keep getting ready to watch a game, only to find Lebron is sitting, Durant is sitting, etc.

          But boy, Hat sure caved in in a hurry (“screwed”). I’d rather be a skeptical fan than a fickle one.

          And the greatest joy is seeing talent unleashed, win or not. I’m probably off on RW, but Nelson was very, very high on him. (Wonder if he talked to Pop.) Reggie is versatile, can see the floor, and react quickly. And load him up and he can shoot. But maybe it’s too late for him now.

          I’m not sure the D rap is right, since he never played with a full squad. He’s a better defender than Barbosa, and he’s much quicker and versatile than Livingston. He’s a much better facilitator than either one.

          • I’m a better defender than Barbosa. The main thing I remember about Reggie was his ability to put the ball in the hole. Which can be a pretty valuable skill in Basketball.

          • Also I’m pretty sure Pop thought about D when he took him on. He’s also the kind of player our beloved brain trust have continually overlooked.

          • Seriously though, Leandro is pretty much a sieve on defense. Its almost like his youth in Brazil and hard-to-shake soccer bloodlines prevent him from utilizing his upper body and arms on D. He doesn’t have it in him. He’s a blur but defines matador defense.
            I’m glad we don’t have to watch DeandreJ shoot free throws in a GS uni is because we already have our 12Mill dollar pivot man to savor in this regard. Can’t imagine him shooting 28 freebies in a game. Probably blow out his elbow :(

            Him and Iggy are 28 mill of thrills at the line..

        • (Continuing my thought)

          In fact, I’m getting tired of the complaints of negativity. I don’t know what they are defending or protecting. I came to this blog because Felbot was not only the most critical (he has no competition) but also the most enthusiastic voice. I don’t see enthusiasm at the other blog or anywhere else or much here, for that matter, just clannish flag waving.

      • SA might shut down leonard if his hand needs further recovery time, hoping for a healthy April. williams might be part of what used to be called a ‘three guard’ alignment back in the 60s, before pejorative terms like small ball became popular.

  122. whiz kid mcdonough in Phx is crowing today about his team getting the best player in their trades, b.knight. kerr is expressing satisfaction with keeping his roster’s ‘chemistry’ intact, but no one was expecting a rookie coach in first place to whinge about deficiencies that weren’t addressed.

    • McDonough is seeming more and more like an ass. He killed Dragic for a “me first” attitude in the press today — a strong indication, along with his crowing, of insecurity.

      Also have no idea how he regards Knight as a better player than Dragic. Dragic was coveted league wide, a great pick and roll player, BKnight has yet to find an NBA home. This latest deal coming out of nowhere — JKidd going out of his way to dump Knight in his finest statistical season — seems to me to be a major red flag. I think there’s something to the talk that Knight isn’t a point guard.

  123. Also of enormous interest to me: Just try to think about the number of head coaches/GMs in the league who have the cojones to do what Jason Kidd just did.

    He’s got the Bucks performing at a ridiculously high level, when no one expected it. (Except one small blogger observing him and wagering rent money on him from 2,000 miles away. I have, by the way, already cashed my Bucks season win total wager. Is it too soon to talk about that?) He’s got them poised for the playoffs. And he up and trades away his point guard, the “best” player on the team, who just blossomed into All-Star consideration this season.

    Who but Jason Kidd has the self-confidence, the utter hubris to make this move at this time? Greg Popovich, Stan van Gundy… anyone else?

    I am utterly convinced that Kidd is one of the top 5 coaches in the league, and probably one of the top 5 personnel evaluators as well. A true savant.

    I skipped league pass this year as I’ve gotten busy with outside interests. But I think I may have to get it again next year, just to watch the Bucks. It feels a lot to me like when Don Nelson was building the Mavericks from scratch. That was a good time to study genius in action.

    • high usage lead guards like knight will come up with numbers, but his coach would know better than anyone whether there’s substance beneath the stats. for his modest 5.4 assists per game knight also averaged more than three turnovers. he also averaged by far the most shot attempts for his team despite being among its worst shooters. kidd and van G. have similar concerns — a longer term vision while also putting in a foundation. knight or j.smith didn’t fit into either. some teams are always talking about their three or four year plans, but show no signs of a coherent foundation and aren’t much different when those three years have passed.

    • Remember when JKidd and Lamond Murray took out Bobby Hurley and Duke in the Tournament. Great game. Believe Danny Manning and Kansas got them in the next round(?) I also recall Jason being interviewed after that game. He sounded a little slow, but he was just a Kidd. My brother always referred to him as “dumb as a rock”, but we’ve both heard the same thing about ourselves. My bro also thought Klay was not the sharpest stick around. I know its mean stuff but its just superficial impressions, cause thats all u have to go on. Happy for Jason. He got some serious friction early in his coaching career.

      My brothers current standard bearer for the intellectually challenged: Colin Kaep. I usually dismiss his sarcastic comments, especially about Klay, but I’m starting to wonder about Kaep and his reads…
      Outta here

    • Jason Kidd is doing great with Milwaukee. I think he is doing better with younger team with no pressure to win now than a veteran team like Nets last year. That said, trading for MCW is easy to see. MCW is young player with size and is a two way player. Philly were stupid to let him go.

      Congrats on winning some bucks.

  124. So what did the Jazz get in return for Kantner and what did the Thunder have to give up?

    • OK sent k.perkins, who probably gives UT more as a defensive reserve than kanter would, a first round pick, a young, d-league level, big (jerrett), and an x-factor — rights to a seven foot euro, tibor pleiss, now getting part time minutes for a decent Spanish league team. pleiss has a heavy hitter’s player agent already engaged, should u.s. negotiations come up in his future.

    • A lot, for a player, they may not even be able to sign next summer with Ibaka and Adams already there.

      • That is my impression as well — why sign Kantner, especially when giving up a 1st round pick, when they already have Adams and Ibaka?

        • presti might feel there’s a clock running on durant’s patience, and wants to get back into a finals before the final year on the contract. if the plan or kanter sputters, OK will have an option to let him go in July, giving them a decent stash to look for a free agent and try again before durant decides to stay or exit. the player can also refuse the qualifying offer if he sees a better team or $$ as a free agent, but that was true in UT.

  125. Hat,

    Above somewhere when I said Lee is not as good at C, you were asking me to refer to stats. Below is the stat you can find, where Lee is net -ve as C and net +ve as PF.

    Is there any other stat that support Lee at C is good ? I was supportive of Lee at C for stretches but Speights is better as backup C than Lee. And, the reverse is true at PF position.

    • To add, Lee is shooting < 50% at C according to

    • Harry, the Ws have a play they call Mo, designed solely to get Speights the ball for a mid-range shot. They don’t run any plays for Lee, but his scoring rate is only 4% less.

      In addition, Lee is averaging 2.2 assists/game v Speights .9, he is outrebounding Speights, and playing better D than Speights (.7 blocks per game v .5 for Speights) – I’m sure there must be some stat somewhere that shows how much better Lee is as position defense too. Even Ron Adams (a hard man to please) says he’s impressed by Lee’s improvement in defense.

      And then there’s the fitness issue. Yeah, Lee has been hurt a lot. But part of the reason for that is that his career average is 32 min./game, (including this season when he’s averaging < 20). Mo Speights career average min/game is 15.9. Want to guess why? My guess is it's because Speights doesn't have Lee's fitness. Run Speights over 15 min./game and he turns into a fouling machine because he's wiped out. The guy showed up to camp last year 30 pounds overweight! Lee is NEVER out of shape. The Ws currently play Speights no more than 6-8 min. at a stretch. But the Ws could count on Lee to play all game if necessary, and they did, often, for years. Back when he was Mr. 20-10, reliably winning games for a Ws team that didn’t have a decent 2nd option for a scoring/rebounding big.

      Kerr loves the fact that Speights has stepped up this year, and it is great to see. But better than Lee? No. Not in Kerr’s wildest dreams. Speights can’t play more than a few minutes at a time. Advantage Lee. When Bogut goes down, Lee gets his minutes, not Speights, because Lee will handle it. Not Speights.

      • hat,
        Mo was really bad last year, and I can be wrong but can’t be counted on coming back on shape. Also agree that Lee improved on his D, well his career high blocks per minute proves that. But Speights takes up the space in the middle there. According to stats, with Lee guarding Cs are scoring 19.2 PPG at 55% compared to Lee 22.7 pts at 47% in addition to plus 3 in rebounds. Lee is a better overall player than Speights but for C and for this year, Speights is better at C. It was reverse last year. Where Speights have advantage is that he is scoring much more against C. Agree that Kerr specially designed offense for Speights. My eyes tell me that with Speights occupying space there is helping team more than Lee there.

        What shows is that Speights is pathetic at PF.

        • Just to add, Lee is averaging 6 assists at PF Vs 4.8 assists which is still good at C.

          • One more, I am not sure Speights will ever be as successful as Lee in NBA and Lee is still better overall player than Speights even at this stages of their careers. Lee rounding into form will go long way to for warriors chances. Against some Cs, he will still be successful for short stints. Those Cs may not make the playoffs though.

        • Two AND three years ago, Lee led the league in PT for bigs. He also anchored the Ws best (closing) lineup – he did that last year too, next to Draymond, and we’re not talking small margins here, the Ws won more come-from-behind victories than anyone else in the league.

          Speights can’t even play a full quarter. When it’s money time, I’ll take Lee over Speights any day. But I guess we’ll just have to wait and see, Harry.

          • Lee was part of best start 5 last year, just that Green at PF is better, tough situation for Lee to be in and he is a class act. Compare him to players around the league, lot of whining.

  126. Great game tonight. Curry was magical in the 2nd and 3rd quarters and everyone else came along for the ride.

    Livingston still can’t find his way. Harrison has been, tho!

  127. Spurz—

    Wow, another green light!

    This may have been a statement game for the Warriors, but it wasn’t for Pops. He just needs to manage the season to get some kind of spot in the playoffs and come in healthy, though you have to wonder if this isn’t the year the old men give out. I’m surprised they didn’t work Duncan’s outside shot, as he did last night. Is Green off this season? His shot would have helped as well. But really it looked like Pops just wanted to move the game to his bench and get them ready for the stretch, and actually they did well for a while.

    It makes no sense to put Green on Baynes, not, of course, that he’s going to back down. But Lee matches up in size plus would have provided inside scoring. Green could have moved to cover Leonard or come in against the smaller units, especially against the smaller Diaw, whose quickness gave Lee problems. Not that it made any difference tonight.

    Hey, we got Hubie Brown with ESPN!

    Also got to see Reggie! He just feels like offense—shoots and moves the ball. I take him over Barbosa and Livingston.

    Great game by the guards, of course, and Iguodala hit his shots.

    • Green light because the Spurs were just tired from last night’s game.

    • rgg, you forgot to sign off 43-9!!!

    • So, statement game for Pops when they win and not when warriors win.

      You probably the only person on this planet that will take Williams over anyone in warriors team.

      It is sick how you are able to turn the excellent win to negativity. Oh, that boy Barnes sucked today, right ??

      • I’ll never complain about a win, but if you thought that was an accurate representation of the Spurs and how they might perform in the playoffs, you are wonderfully naive. That was at best a three quarter effort by the Spurs. Compare the efforts of Parker and Duncan, how they were played, the number of shots they took last night with their performance in the game the night before against the Clippers:

        Nor did we see the hectoring defense the Spurs have used against the guards for years.

        This was not an important game for Popovich and he didn’t treat it like one. Rather, he has an eye for the playoffs and is getting the rest of the roster ready, who played many minutes and did quite well. He is maximizing the potential in his whole roster. Kerr isn’t.

        He’s still protecting Parker, who has hamstring issues, I think. I’m intrigued he got Leonard taking midrange shots, maybe to get him going—he hasn’t shot well at all at the arc—or maybe to take advantage of his matchup against Barnes. Still, this may be the year age and injuries catch up with the Spurs, in which case they won’t be a serious opponent in the playoffs.

        We didn’t learn anything last night. With all due respect, it’s hard to take anything you say seriously.

        You take your favorite minor Warrior player, I’ll take mine. I know what Nelson said about Reggie’s talent and what he was able to do with it in a few weeks.

      • I’d take wiiliams over Livingston. Every time SL touches the ball the Ws offensive flow comes to a brick-wall stop, and he clogs the paint. I’m sick of seeing him aim his butt toward the hoop.

  128. Reggie Williams siting!

    Fun one to watch, quick observations:

    Like how Bogut seems to be policing himself, doing just enough to help the team win without taking risks of injury on the floor. We need him for playoffs

    HB beautiful baseline drive and reverse finish. Also a great turnaround bank shot while defended. He was more aggressive tonite.

    Bellinellis found a nice home. Always liked him with Dubs.

    SA a better coached team with more discipline. The players have so much experience they coach themselves on the floor to an extent.

    Spurs may have the sum of the parts, but the Ws have the MVP. The diff tonite..

  129. I liked Barnes aggressiveness tonight. He was up in Kwahi’s face a bit and him + dre +dray on kwahi worked out this time. May be something to the lingering injury FB noted. TParker did not look right either & his hammy was mentioned.

    Dray could not really hang with Baynes, and Diaw backed him down with ease. Just a tough set of matchups for him. He still found ways to be useful tho. I loved that play when he ran up as soon as Baynes got the ball and took it away. Also a nice drive on him to the hole. Such a heady player.

    Question to the board: would HB have done a better job on Diaw? Who on the dubs matches best against him? Also who matches best on Baynes and Splitter? I felt Kerr lost some matchups moves tonight (the great shooting means it did not hurt them). Jesus their bench can light it up.

    Livingston was a fiasco and an offense killer and I don’t get what you get out of him. Especcially his being on the court with Iguodala, as has been pointed out.

    If it’s the long arms D, Holiday has that, and an outside shot. Plenty of guys can walk the ball up the court… I do know what they paid for him tho, if thats why he’s off the bench first vs Holiday. I like him as a player but not on this team, or how he is being used.

    • I believe you are right – Barnes would match-up against Diaw, so would MoS and DLee.

    • Answer: no. Diaw is the kind of player Green is built for. Hard to believe Green wouldn’t handle him the next game. One thing Diaw has going for him is freshness and energy. He plays fewer minutes in the game, over the course of the season. Or maybe if Green had gone against Diaw without expending energy trying to muscle up against the much larger Baynes? Saving Green’s energy may be key in the playoffs, when the defensive load is heavier.

      • rgg, Diaw has given Green fits every single time they’ve met, for 3 seasons now. Green is only occasionally able to stop him.

        Luckily for the rest of the league, Diaw is also a big fat slob who can only play a few minutes at a time. If he were serious about fitness, he would OWN THE ENTIRE LEAGUE. Too bad for Pop, it must drive him crazy, but those are the facts.

  130. I’d insult Kerr by giving him too much credit, but at least he erased the memory of one of the worst coached games in recent Warrior history last season:

    When both Parker and Duncan sat and the Spurs still won. But note how well their backup PG Mills did, the effect of Belinelli’s 3s.

    Do you think this game helped the Spurs when they won the championship?

    Lee, incidentally, had a horrible game that night.

    • As predicted Dubs by 10. Clips game may have softened up the Spurs a little, competition-wise. But that was a pretty good effort by the Spurs rgg. Would’ve beat 26 or 27 teams in the league with that one, normally.
      Definitely gave us their best shot in the first have and GS somehow (see Steph) ended up 5. Not to be completely sneezed at.
      Some interesting results last nite. Atl mauled and Cleve stomped wash. Still see the cavs and Delly (w a little help fromBron too) making the finals.
      I don’ think that considering ReggieW over Liv, or especially Leandro, is egregious. He looked like he was reliving his Warrior “glory” days last nite. Guy can score. Nifty little slip pass inside to a big for an ez hoop, also. Spurs always seem to find, and then maximize, players like Baynes, mills, belli and Diaw.
      Wubs may very well be on their way to 65 victories. Can’t see more than 66. That’s not a bad mantra. Lotta fun on the way, regardless of the outcome..

      • Again, compare box scores and look at how Parker and Duncan were played. This was a concerted effort by the Spurs bench. Pop never throws in the towel, but he does look ahead. Last night, they beat maybe 22 or 23 teams.

      • Barnes, of course knocked down his open shots and was somewhat aggressive on a few. But what I remember is how Leonard had his way with him 1st. Q and how Barnes pulled out of a drive on a fast break.

        And they don’t get that many fast breaks against a fully charged Spurs, assuming we ever see that.

        Sheesh. Livingston was -11 last night. Just saw it.

        • Barnes better but still Barnes. Liv still Liv, the chink in the armor.

          • Livingston is an interesting case. An excellent athlete, a highly skilled and very experienced ball player, he just doesn’t seem to “get” the Ws offensive scheme. He turns every touch into a post-up iso, an offensive tactic that this year’s team has entirely abandoned. Who does he think he is, Jermaine O’Neal?

          • I already explained this Hat. Theres a force field emanating outward in a semicircle 7 feet from the hoop, quite possibly in a full circle around the stanchion. Unfortunately only Shaun seems affected by it. So he turns around and tries to “butt” his way in. The faster the tempo the stronger “the Force.” We gotta get Yoda on the staff. I’d say Obi-Wan Kenobi but I’m not sure if Alec Guiness is still around..

          • Lovely thought. Suit up the memory of Alec Guiness. Yeah.

          • In the final volume of the book A Positively Final Appearance (1997), Guinness recounts grudgingly giving an autograph to a young fan who claimed to have watched Star Wars over 100 times, on the condition that the boy promise to stop watching the film, because, as Guinness told him, “this is going to be an ill effect on your life.” The fan was stunned at first, but later thanked him (though some sources say it went differently). Guinness is quoted as saying: “‘Well,’ I said, ‘do you think you could promise never to see Star Wars again?’ He burst into tears. His mother drew herself up to an immense height. ‘What a dreadful thing to say to a child!’ she barked, and dragged the poor kid away. Maybe she was right but I just hope the lad, now in his thirties, is not living in a fantasy world of secondhand, childish banalities.” Guinness grew so tired of modern audiences apparently knowing him only for his role of Obi-Wan Kenobi that he would throw away the mail he received from Star Wars fans without reading it.

          • A wonderful story. Guinness draws a picture of a towering icon of motherhood shouting god-like from on high, something like the Washington monument but with hips, boobs and a loudspeaker up top, bellowing down upon him.

            As Guinness said, maybe she was right. But maybe she’d have done her child better by introducing him to the entire body of Guinness’ work.

  131. Any thoughts, Feltbot? I guessing you’re going to let this one go.

  132. Lee 5-5 shooting, 4 rebounds, 1 assist, 2 steals, 1 block in 19 minutes leading the Ws 2nd unit. Give him starter’s minutes and a starter’s co-workers, and he’s Mr. 20-10 as always.

    Speights 8 min., 1-3 shooting and all zeroes elsewhere. Hmph.

    Livingston 16 min., 0 points, 4 rebounds, 2 assists, -11. Hey, Shaun, maybe if you quit aiming your ass at the basket you could join the team, huh? Precisely what is the problem here, fella?

    Harrison Barnes had a GREAT game. Ya know, sometimes I think it’s all about size+intuition, but Barnes’ progress is proof that results can be earned almost solely through rote memorization and constant, high-level effort. In years past Barnes never closed out on anyone. Last night he belly-bumped Leonard a couple of times. Whether Barnes truly understands things or not, he’s doing what works. Damn. That’s kinda… world-view-changing.

    I never thought Barnes was worth a shit. Not salvageable. No return on that gift of a 6th draft pick that Jackson humiliated himself for, by playing to lose throughout his first season. But Hey! Go Harrison! Make it work! I’m already surprised. Amaze me! Yeah! Harrison Barnes! WhoopWhoop!

    Dudes, the Ws absolutely needed to win last night’s game, and the Spurs did not. From their perspective it was a scheduled loss. If you think last night’s win was important to the Spurs, just wait til the playoffs.