World Champions: Warriors 105 Cavaliers 97 – 2015 NBA Finals Game 6

It will take some time to put all my thoughts on the Warriors’ World Championship together, but for now, here are my impressions of Game 6:

David Blatt’s game: I thought he had a great initial gameplan. I liked him taking Mozgov out and playing small in Game 5, because both he and Mozgov were completely unprepared for the Warriors double-teaming. Obviously, he had to come back to Mozgov in this game, because the Cavs were just too short-handed and exhausted to make it through four quarters without him. And Blatt had a game-plan in place for Mozgov to wait out the double teams, and find the open man at the three point line.

But: he left Mozgov in the game for too long in the fourth quarter, and ate the two Curry threes that put the game out of reach as a result. The run-down Russian could no longer execute the blitz.

It was a great idea to have LeBron conserve his energy in the first half, and concentrate on setting up his teammates. When the Cavs ended the half down only two, I thought that was a huge win for them, and expected a monster second half from LeBron. But both he and his team hit a brick wall.

Blatt finally made the adjustment on Curry that I viewed as inevitable once Steve Kerr started letting Curry isolate Delly. Limited Delly’s minutes, and got Shumpert on him as much as possible. But Curry responded with one of the most accomplished games as a point guard and distributor of his career.

I liked what I saw from David Blatt in this series. And I think I’ll like what I see from him next season.

As Steve Kerr’s right hand man.

Stephen Curry: Fans will remember those two big threes he hit in the fourth quarter. I will remember how he literally picked apart the Cavs’ blitz. In Game 5, when the Cavs first turned the blitz level up to white hot, Curry struggled with 5 TOs against 4 assists. In this game, perhaps with Coach Gentry’s assistance, he looked like the living, breathing reincarnation of Steve Nash I have always thought he could be. Not a point guard?

His performance in this game, getting the ball to the right place at the right time, for 42 minutes, on the road in a closeout game, against an absolutely ferocious blitz by the best defensive team in these playoffs, put the lie to that. Stephen Curry, MVP, World Champion, will go down as one of the greatest point guards in NBA history.

Draymond Green: I don’t want to take anything away from Iggy, but I would have no problem giving the Finals MVP to Draymond. So fitting that he finished this series, and this incredible season, with a triple double.

Amazing intelligence, amazing talent. But most important, the biggest heart I have ever seen on a basketball court. Don Nelson would have given his right arm to coach him.

How many seasons can he last playing this many minutes against players so much bigger than he is? Doesn’t matter now, does it? That’s a question for next season.

This is what matters now: He put his team on his back, and carried them to a championship.

Andre Iguodala: Once he was inserted into the starting lineup, the Cavs ran out of defenders didn’t they? One for Curry, one for Klay, wait, we have to cover Iggy too?

A well-deserved Finals MVP. The cool veteran for whom the moment was never too big. Settled his team on both ends, by accepting the challenge on LeBron, and filling the Warriors’ desperate need for a third scorer. The lone Warrior who could explode through the Cavs on the fast break. The lone Warrior who could get to the rim in the half-court.

One of the great Nellieball wings in the league, who struggled in an unfamiliar role and an alien system for all of the regular season.

Finally unleashed when it counted most.

Festus Ezeli: With Bogut, Lee and Speights all unable to contribute, stepped onto the big stage. And delivered.

Kerr finally ran some pick and roll for him, and he looked good playing it. And he finally got his feet under him and went nose to nose with the Cavs fearsome front line. His defense, intelligence, and speed up and down the court make him a natural to play with this team for years to come.

After sacrificing his health (along with David Lee) to the Andrew Bogut Experiment, it was incredibly gratifying to see Festus have this moment.

Throw it down, big fella!

Shaun Livingston: I’ve written a lot about Livingston as a point guard in Steve Kerr’s system, and I stand by those opinions.

But in the end, the Warriors never needed a back-up point guard. They needed a small forward whom Steve Kerr could trust in the fourth quarter of the Finals.

And they got one.

Steve Kerr, Ron Adams, Alvin Gentry: You can divide the credit as you see fit. Steve Kerr is obviously a savant as a head coach, as a leader of men, an executive, a spokesman. As a strategist for a season, and a tactician for a game. He was lucky in his roster, yes, but he also took it apart and put it back together in a way that added 16 regular season wins. And then in the playoffs he took it apart again and put it back together in a way that won a championship.

I could not be happier, in retrospect, that he was chosen for the job. And I could not be more excited to watch this team play under him for many years to come. He’s the coach, finally, finally, that this roster deserves.

We’ve heard throughout the season about the contributions of Ron Adams. The true test of a coach is the playoffs, and in this championship run the Warriors faced several different defensive puzzles, and responded with several different lineups and several different gameplans. Ron Adams nailed it every single time.

I’m not sure how much to credit Alvin Gentry with the Warriors’ increased pace this season. With running after made baskets for the first time since Don Nelson. For the Warriors’ emphasis on threes, and particularly early offense threes. For playing Nellieball with a stretch-four, from Game 1, minute 1 of the regular season, to the final minute of Game 6 of the Finals. Or for the Warriors’ emphasis on a high pick and roll system for much of these Finals. I will just note that he’s a master of all of these things, and that the Warriors came into this season with Bob Myers talking about playing big whenever possible, and Steve Kerr talking about the triangle.

I saw a tweet near the end of the game. Very simple, a quiet thought: “The Pelicans will be better next year.”

Yes, they will. Nellieball and Pick and Roll are coming to the Big Easy, coming for the best running big man in the NBA.

Good luck, Head Coach Alvin Gentry, looking forward to some wars.

And thank you.

581 Responses to World Champions: Warriors 105 Cavaliers 97 – 2015 NBA Finals Game 6

  1. Like the little boy who said to Shoeless Joe Jackson when he heard that the world series were fixed, I say, “Say it ain’t so , Felt”.
    God I’m gonna miss ya.

  2. Everything warriors did clicked. Unbelievable !! The owner delivered on his promise. The players justified fans love. Warriors won playing right way !!

  3. Great analysis this season Felt and just remember there’s nothing wrong with coming out of retirement – even Jordan did it.

  4. Feltbot, you are completely and utterly vindicated. From Webber refusing to cooperate with the Great Nelson to Kerr/Gentry resorting to Nellie Ball when the chips were down, it happened, just as you said it could. A royal flush. Congratulations. Best Wishes.

    • it’s funny that you bring up webber, because this glorious season and win might just have sealed the wound that webber left, for me. isn’t that something? a full grown man, and was until yesterday still very hurt over that athlete’s aborted career for my hometown team.

      • Same here Roberto. It’s amazing. Full circle. And who is the antithesis of Weber? I think Draymond Green, willing to play center, though 3″ shorter and 30 lbs lighter.

  5. From ESPN Ethan Strauss after the game today (there was someone before D’Antoni):

    “Now the newest champions are the league’s vanguard, pioneering a style of switch-heavy, versatile defense, combined with fast-paced offense that’s predicated on, yes, jump shooting.

    Exiting the locker room, Gentry exalted, “Tell Mike D’Antoni he’s vindicated! We just kicked everyone’s ass playing the way everybody complained about!”

    Gentry coached for D’Antoni’s Suns back when they revolutionized basketball. Those teams never won the title, leading many to see inherent flaw in their style.”

  6. Why was Iguodala so successful in the Finals.

    Because Iguodala STARTED.

    • yeah but for all the frustration of watching HB flail about in a starter role all season (with some nice moments too, in the playoffs and finals) it saved iguodala’s legs/knees for when it counted most.

    • STARTED for Bogut, that was the key. He was very good in 1st 3 games also but more than the starting, the key is playing with Green at C forcing Mozgov to guard him.

      • No it’s not. It’s the fact he started, no interptretation needed. Thanx anyway.

        • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

          Sorry Marc but you a wrong

          • Your credence is fully indicated by your posting name.

          • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

            Marc if you are too stupid to realize that the Cavs left Iggy wide open I can’t help you. The Cavs chose to live and die by Iggy shooting and Iggy made them pay. Iggy could not and would not have played that way all season.

          • Hey Fake, everyone left Barnes unguarded all season and all during the playoffs. Who produced more starting?

        • So, you think it would have been same result if Iguodala started in place of Barnes ?

          In Felt’s own words and that I agree with. You don’t agree with Felt, now ?

          “On the other end, Iggy is getting the benefit of being left unguarded due to the Curry blitz. Or of being guarded by Mozgov. “

  7. Good luck to you Felty. You brought
    terrific insight into the game. Finals
    showed the Warriors won playing both
    and small ball over weakened opponent.

  8. Tall ball with Ezeli held the Cav’s
    to scoring only 17 points in third
    quarter and the Warriors were still
    able to run and score 32 points in
    third quarter. Game over. Tall ball
    won decisive game.

    Small ball allowed for Smith to go
    off and almost cost us the game as
    the Cav’s tallied 36 points in 4th
    quarter. Thankfully, Lebron went
    3-9 from the field in the 4th quarter.

    • Is this serious? Before last night, Warriors were -13 points/100 possessions in 74 Bogut minutes, -27.4 points/100 possessions in 39 Ezeli minutes, and +27.2 points/100 possessions in 138 non-Bogut & non-Ezeli minutes.

  9. For rgg, from Zach Lowe:

    “The Warriors, on balance, were luckier than most championship teams. They stood almost intact, while stars and crucial role players — from Love to Patrick Beverley — fell into the wreckage below them. That doesn’t take away from their accomplishment, and if you think it does, you’re willfully ignoring all of NBA history.

    No one ever needs to apologize for their road to a championship. You can only play the schedule, and gutting out 16 playoffs wins is difficult, regardless of the precise path.

    The Warriors earned this with smart draft picks, expert coaching, all-world talent, and the necessary dash of luck. They are the 2014-15 NBA champions. Their title defense starts now.”


  10. Thanks David. I look forward to any closing comments and hope you’ll consider offering up your thoughts assuming the blog is successfully handed off.

    • Mind-boggling Hat

      I did a rough estimate of the # of beers I’ve consumed to date.
      40,000 is a somewhat conservative figure. Heavily skewed towards early in my “career”

      This blogs a real achievement Feltbot. It was part of this special Ride so kudos. Here’s a great song to hoist a beer to, and reminisce. By the Frank Sinatra of Mexico—0k4

    • I just found this out too. It’s incredible. Hard to believe.

    • warriorablaze

      Dude could stand to loosen up… he’d be a much better player if he ever just let go once in a while.

  11. Great post, Felt. You have such a gift for capturing the heart of the game in words!

  12. Thanx again, Feltbot.

    OK, everybody who thought at the beginning of the season Iguodala would step up in the playoffs, raise your hand.

    • won’t make any claim about a playoff prediction at the start of the season. when our guv suggested at the start of the playoffs that green and mr.barnes would need to combine for 30 because bogut would be virtually absent in the points column, my counter was iguodala and green. was fairly evident to me that playoff conditions, tighter competition and scores, relative to the team’s frequent, often expected, dominance in regular season contests, would show us who would (in stephen jackson’s words) “make love to pressure”.

      kerr had a substitution tendency in regular season games of giving his starters rest in the second quarter, with more liberal deployment of reserves in that initial break. in that context, iguodala’s performances were often variable, as were the players on the court with him. leads often disappeared when both curry and green were on the bench. but iguodala was also a regular part of the lineups in the second halves of games when they were decided, playing with the starters, frequently in the very same quintet that became the starting five vs. Cle, or taking barnes’ spot in the fives that included bogut.

    • “OK, everybody who thought at the beginning of the season Iguodala would step up in the playoffs, raise your hand.”

      Raising hand. I always thought the only rationale for this move that made any sense was to preserve Iguodala for the post-season.

      • +1

        I said the same not directly but when I said he will play Ginobili role for warriors.

  13. GooseLosGatos

    First off, credit to Feltbot for believing & predicting that a small ball team could win a Championship – frankly, I had my doubts.

    Secondly, credit to Joe Lacob for resurrecting this franchise (had to throw that in FB).

    Finally, just off the wire that Marc Stein is reporting that the Warriors and David Lee’s agent have mutually agreed to find D. Lee a new team for next season. I’ll be curious to see how Lee is valued around the league. Curious on FB’s take on this…

  14. Felty,

    I have not participated in the comments section but have been a reader of this site for about 4 years. I just wanted to send you my appreciation for this site and the related discussions. I will miss it if it is dissolved… but I hope somehow it can continue.

    Golden State Warriors are NBA Champions.
    The impossible is possible.

    Thank you.

    • .. if any takers else probably still gone Josh Smith situation.

    • Don’t teams require a full physical before signing a new guy? And don’t they also work the guy out first? Like jumping, sprinting?

      This will be what the 1st off-season David don’t have a core surgery after 3 previous?

      I hope like heck he’s recovered and plays close to his pre-surgery levels, even with less minutes.

      • my selfish preference would be for lee to get the best situation for his needs ; the team and lacob’s accounts will do just fine under any disposal plan. of course they still own lee’s contract and control over him, but he might best be served with a simple waiver or buy out (probably the least satisfactory option for lacob’s termite mound). as a free agent he can find a team he wants and that wants him, or take a half season off for rehab and conditioning while looking for a contender to join at mid season.

  15. I remember a conversation we had here about Iguodala. I was opinion that he will be warriors Ginobili in playoffs. Felt, I believe, said something like he can’t play Ginobili role.

    • There’s a lot more to it than that, and you know it. I’m not going to go over it again for you.

    • Harry, if you mean Iguodala started and made perimeter Js and drove the lane making lay-ups and dunks, yes that is what Ginobelli did, as I recall, after being a 6th man during the regular season, again, like Iguodala, which supports my contention Iguodala was able to do so and put up the numbers you refer to simply because he started.

      Why did he start? Surely because Bogut was injured and couldn’t play and even if “healthy” was certainly impaired from a Finals competition level. And to run Mosgov off the floor. And to defend LeBron from the get-go, not letting LeBron get started, as LeBron was on Barnes.

      None of those valid reasons deter from the fact Iguodala performed as he did because he started with Green, Curry, Klay, and Barnes.

      This shouldn’t be a shock to anyone. Matter of fact, that’s the entire justification starting Barnes instead of Iguodala during the entire regular season — Barnes plays better with the starters, so does Iguodala.

      And to re-hash further, since I changed out of my cranky pants into sweats for my daily exercise, Kerr had to solve the Lacob Cube.

      Barnes started because Livingston was injured, and Kerr needed someone to handle the ball with Curry resting.

      When Livingston returned, it became apparent to Kerr/Gentry that Livingston could not run the team in the manner needed and found out much later, after losing leads many games, that Livingston contributed very well as a wing floater alongside Curry and Klay. Livingston can defend multiple positions, excellent handles, rebounds well, and moves without the ball extremely well.

      If you want to take Feltbot to task for a contradiction, that’s fine. I can’t speak for anyone except myself, but I don’t think even Feltbot could have forecast just how much better Iguodala is starting with Curry or Thompson.

      (All this argument above is aside from what Roberto and EvanZ correctly point out — Iguodala and Kerr were obviously saving Iguodala for the play-offs, which is why Harry it’s pointless to continue to argue very narrow points with you framed by you just for that reason, though I have to admit it’s quite interesting and stimulating for its own sake.)

      • Narrow points and pointless arguments ? Surely Bogut was injured, really?? Lacob’s Cube ?? What are you talking about ?

        Iguodala was calming influence off bench in playoffs adding immense value with his 5:1 a/to ratio. Not as good scorer but was as good or better in everything Ginobili was. 3 games into final, coaches realized Bogut is not doing anything and warriors wanted to push pace hence inserted Iguodala. It is because of match ups. Iguodala was also healthy and ready because he was rested during reg season again because he came off bench, not because of any Lacob ‘s cube or any crap like that. Warriors would have never gone small if Lacob is not letting Kerr to coach. I think you are in denial and still sticking with baseless opinions.

        • I agree with your points Harry, except Iguodala performed better starting, just like Barnes did, and Bogut is injured; his knee, which he was out for awhile mid-season getting medical treatment on it, failed him. I don’t buy this thing at all that some young video guy thought up some idea that never occurred to Gentry and Kerr. That’s BS. Bogut was darn near incapacitated. The poor guy could hardly walk, much less play basketball. Yes, and I read the Gentry quote, something like “well, we played with Bogut all year, so I was hesitant”, baloney. I almost have the idea Gentry and Kerr are playing us on this one. Did not Kerr outright fib when it was in the Warriors best interests? I would too.

          And there was a Lacobs Cube, and it affected all decisions made from beginning to seasons end.

          And allow me to go further. Did not Iguodala out perform Barnes as a starter during the playoffs (not that Barnes was unsuccessful as a starter)? And yes, I fully realize Barnes had to start all season over Iguodala. Kerr had no one else to run the team to rest Curry, and Barnes was ineffective, by his own admission, on the 2nd unit during the previous season. Was he not?

          Barnes coming off the bench this season as Stretch 4 was a success.

          I would very much like to see the Warriors sign an Ed Davis, start him at the 4, allowing Green to start at the 3. Of course, a lot of small ball would also be deployed, Green moving over to the 4 or 5 and Barnes coming off the pine as a 3 or 4.

          But would Barnes go along with that?

          I have a few more ideas, so keep it coming Harry. Thanx.

          • Even if Bogut was healthy, I think Kerr pulls him for Iguodala in order to win the series. And I don’t think it took a young video guy to make Gentry and Kerr aware of it.

      • Btw: If Felt has any problem with me, I am sure he will let me know, no need for you to say anything.

  16. greencurry: Tall ball with Ezeli
    put us ahead for good last night.
    Thought Speights not Ezeli nor
    Bogut would be the man.

    I’m as big as fan of the Warriors as
    anyone. But not so tunneled vision to
    accept Gentry’s pronouncement that
    the Warriors championship shows
    that small can win. I think that we were
    only successful because we played an
    injured team that was not good.
    Our victory tells is nothing about small
    ball’s future.

    • You’re seeing what you want to see. Warriors were +5 last night with Ezeli in the game, which I guess is good from the standpoint that they at least finally outscored the Cavs with him in the game. But this nowhere comes close to compensating for how awful the team was in the series prior to last night with either Bogut or Ezeli in the game. There are certainly times/matchups to play Bogut and times/matchups to play Ezeli. But to still pretend that small ball can’t work, when the Warriors destroyed teams with Draymond-at-center lineups the whole year… well, I guess if you weren’t convinced before the series given the mountains of evidence, you won’t be now.

    • Really liked Ezeli’s game last night and generally. I think he will be the Warriors starting 5 next season.

      Ezeli can run with small ball a la Bosch with LeBron and Wade on those Miami title teams.

      Hopefully, Bogut recovers sufficiently during the off season to give 10-15 minutes per game rim protection and boards.

      • I wanna like Festus a little more than I actually do. But he’s an asset, and if he wins the center job next year, good for him. If we go back to using a center, which is a high probability u have to think. He’s mobile and has defensive presence. And his free-throwing ain’t bad

        Guess you flip-flopped on Blatt, eh Feltbot? The Cavs did play well, and he’s won everywhere he’s been

        It was alittle comical during one of the games when Doris Burke asked Blatt one of those sideline questions as the action starts ( the ones Pop really savors.) His reply was so long even Doris started to look annoyed, like “hey. shut your pie hole. The game started again!”

  17. The view from the other side—this guy’s pretty good:

    If you’re a betting person, and you decided to drop some cash on Andre Iguodala to beat the 100-1 odds of being named Finals MVP… Congratulations! You just made a pile of money. Iggy consistently did all of the little things to turn the tide of games and hurt the Cavs when they dared him to do so. I remarked on the Live Thread of a few of the games (including this one) that I don’t think I had ever seen Iggy shoot as well as he shot in this series… EVER. And I was fairly right about that. A career 46% shooter (33% from three), Iggy went off at a 52% clip (40% from three) in the Finals. Much of this could be attributed to the fact that the Cavs chose to leave him relatively open (especially from three), since they had to guard the Splash Brothers so closely. But you still have to hit the shots, and Iggy did just that. He also pushed the pace and got out in transition, grabbed around six boards a game, and did just enough defensively to slow LeBron down a bit.

    “Well, I think the last couple games he played well. He played great, especially offensively. He made us defend him. He knocked down open shots. But I think his ability to play multiple positions for their team along with some of those other guys allowed their team to be so dynamic.” — LeBron James

    • I’m not sure they take the Cavs without a reliable, aggressive third scorer. Then of course his defense. Which leads us to thoughts about next season, which I assume we’ll get to shortly.

  18. Regarding Feltbots tweet, the Clips and Thunder present very serious challenges to Warrior supremacy next season, IMO.

    And I wouldn’t take the Rox lightly with Beverely back.

    • Ah man, is it too early to relish the thought of a couple of next year’s regular season matchups — when in addition to everyone will be gunning for the champs, the following will be looking for:
      Pels, with Gentry – revenge
      Houston with Beverly – revenge
      Grizz w healthy Conley – revenge
      Cavs with Love, Kyrie and Varejao – revenge!
      Reloaded clips, bulls, hawks and Spurs – what if

  19. Felty – If this is the end, and it can’t be, thanks so much for all the truly great writing over the last few years. I went back to work after a 10 retirement to a software company that is actually building marketing programs for NBA teams. When I actually take a break from work, your blog is usually my first and only stop.
    You have got to keep this going at some level. Make it more of a league commentary… whatever..

  20. greencurry: The Cac’s were awful.
    Shot less than 30 percent in two
    games and not much better in the
    others. If you didn’t see they were a
    crappy team I don’t know what to
    say. They couldn’t even score against
    small ball. That’s pathetic. As such,
    there’s nothing positive to say about
    small ball other then it worked against
    a horrific and depleted team and then
    just barely in most games. A tall
    and Quick two way center is preferable.

    • Actually, they have an imposing threesome in Mozgov, Thompson, and youknow who. Good perimeter help and this team will be a force to be reckoned with.

  21. Hey boss Feltbot! What are your plans so we can say fond adieux and take parting shots?

  22. Maui Nellie

    Here’s a really good piece from Zach Lowe on the 2014-2015 Warriors and how they came to be. Parts of the piece also answers some questions that have been up for speculation, first being the actual status of Bob Myers, is he or is he not the Dubs’ GM? This excerpt details Myers concocting a deal with a willing trade partner, and then taking that deal to ownership for final approval. That sounds like a GM to me.

    “As Myers worked the phones for nearly three straight nights and days, searching for a dumping ground, team owner Joe Lacob retreated to his vacation home in Montana. When he was there, Lacob had a habit of leaving his phone behind, or wandering into areas where he had no reception. Myers told Kirk Lacob to accompany his father and plant himself in a spot with good reception; he would need ownership approval for any deal, and he might not have time to wait. Kirk Lacob spent most of three days sitting on a patio.

    Finally, his phone rang. It was Myers, panicked. He couldn’t reach Joe Lacob. Kirk didn’t know exactly where his father was. Myers had a deal with the Jazz, but they were squeezing him. He couldn’t get any protection on the two first-round picks they were demanding, and they asked him to toss in another two second-rounders. Worse yet: They wanted cash — all $3 million the Warriors were allowed to include in a deal. That was Joe Lacob’s money, and Myers needed to know if he could spend it without getting himself fired.

    Kirk Lacob told him to go ahead: “I don’t know where my Dad is,” Lacob told Myers, “but he told me to get the deal done, so if it takes cash, throw in everything we have.” Myers asked if he was sure. Lacob was, and Iguodala became a Warrior.”


    The other answer revealed in this piece was to a question I speculated upon awhile back on this blog, and that was, did the Warriors turn Stephen Jackson (aka Stack Jack) into Draymond Green?

    When the Warriors traded for Andrew Bogut they had to also take Jackson as part of the trade. The Warriors, like the Bucks, wanted no part of Stack Jack so they immediately dialed up the Spurs and worked out a trade which sent the toxic contract of Richard Jefferson and the Spurs 1st round draft pick (#30) to the Warriors for Jackson.

    My question was if the Dubs hadn’t traded for SA’s pick they would have only had their own pick (#35) to use in the draft, and that being the case would they have picked Ezeli or Green? My guess was Ezeli, and this excerpt seems to back up that guess.

    “Golden State had both Festus Ezeli and Green high on its draft board in 2012, and when no. 30 came up, it had to choose between them. The room was divided about whether Green would be available later, but Kirk Lacob liked the team’s chances. “We decided we had to get a center first,” Lacob says. “I was confident Draymond would still be there at no. 35. He’s a four-year player, he’s short, he’s slow. He was going to slip.”

    In the end, the Warriors got both Ezeli and Green, and unloaded Jefferson in the trade with the Jazz (when they signed Iguodala). Thank you, San Antonio.

    • SA was pretty sure that jefferson wasn’t going to help them much, but s.jackson (obviously a much different kind of player at wing) might. they still gained considerable budget relief from the difference in the contracts. when the time came for GS to move jefferson’s contract, they too had to pay a handling charge of a first round pick. it really comes down to what teams do with late first round picks or second rounders. GS could easily go another decade or longer, and not find two players late in the draft in the same class like ezeli and green.

  23. This is awfully intriguing:

    “If this story had been told a few weeks ago, you’d probably think it was quaint — another example of how nice Steve Kerr can be. But if you’ve been following these NBA Finals, Nick U’Ren is a household name. He’s the 28-year-old video coordinator who suggested inserting forward Andre Iguodala into the Golden State Warriors starting lineup after LeBron James and the Cleveland Cavaliers had thrown them into an existential crisis by going up 2-1 in the best-of-seven series.”

    OK, everybody, tell us what you know about U’Ren. But he might have won the series.

  24. My son just pointed me to this:

  25. Maui Nellie

    Felty, this is for you. Great interview this morning on 95.7FM with one of the great basketball minds of all time, Don Nelson, from Maui (the REAL Maui Nellie).

  26. Maui Nellie

    “Can’t touch Warriors now: 2015 NBA champs” (Another really good read on the new world champs)

  27. Blatt made three moves in games
    4, 5, and 6, that costs the Cav’s
    any chance of winning.
    When up 2-1 in series, and the
    Warriors going small, he had the
    Cav’s go small by not playing
    Mosgov many minutes. as should
    have been expected the Warriors
    FG percentage jumped to 46.2 %, and
    Cav’s dropped to 33%, and Warriors

    In game 5, once again, Blatt played
    small without Mosgov, and the
    Warriors once again
    shot 46.2% and the Cav’s only
    39 percent. Warriors win.

    In the crucial sixth game, Blatt
    revised himself and played big
    with Mosgov. In the third quarter
    and the Cav’s downdown by 5,
    Ezeli entered the
    game with sixth minutes left in
    the quarter. At the time, the Cav’s
    were playing small. In one minute,
    the Warriors lead jumped to 10 points.
    It was then that Mosgov reentered the
    game. Too late as the Warriors went
    on to win.

    With the Cav’s playing big, the Warriors
    FG% dropped to 43 percent, and the Cav’s
    playing big, shot 39 percent.

    What Blatt didn’t realize in not playing
    Mosgov, his one consistent shooter was off
    the court, and by playing small he had no
    one to pick up the slack and most of his smalls
    as Felty correctly pointed out were bench players.

    The Cav’s would have been wiser to play
    big in games 4 and 5, but regardless, they
    lacked shooting consistency to win the series.
    The Warriors increased their scoring playing
    small ball but the Cav’s lack of offense is the
    main reason they lost the series.

    And as Don Nelson made clear small ball
    does well in only certain circumstances ( the
    team’s center is not scoring).He also made
    clear that Cleveland would have have been
    the “dominating” team if they had Varejo, Irving,
    and Love, and he predicted they would be
    so next year.

  28. Well, crap. No more basketball.

    Now what?

    • Walkin in the sunshine, RGG. Maybe even a little singing ;)

      I’m off to El Salvador for dos semanas. Hope this sites here when I get back
      If not, gracias y adios amigos!

      • Yes, the Warriors did everything they needed to do to show they are the best team this season. But they had too many breaks along the way, all the way. The Cavs never really had a chance. So I can’t go outside this sunny day and cut loose full throat. I can, however, do this:

    • rgg, had the opportunity at last to read at leisure, outdoors in real light with a full carafe of fresh coffee, your Autumn Rhythm essay. a treat, thanks again. very clever to have an mini-version of your novel for marketing to magazines and journals. ’tis a pity all your connections in the writing community have not brought an agent or publisher.

      the essay has a good dose of philosophy and aesthetics. that is also my take on why you hoped for better competitive tests for the champions all season and post season. we both wished see a higher form of hoops from all ten players on the court. speaking in total ignorance of the writer’s market and culture, are there literary agents who deal more with philosophic writers. or are different geographic areas more favorable to certain styles of writing.

      my first experience of the Pollack painting came via an independent ‘short subject’ film which was successful in explicating how the energy of the work reveals itself with shifting perspective, scale, and focus on different single lines or convergences. it prepared me well for my first visit to NY as a teenager.

      gained some familiarity with another of Pollock’s paintings “White Light” because it was featured as cover art for the Ornette Coleman masterwork ‘Free Jazz’, which remains unique in his long and prolific performing and recording resume. Pollock died just when bebop was evolving into forms appropriate for our space age, and it was said he couldn’t stand charlie parker’s playing, one of coleman’s main influences. but thanks to a Turkish diplomat’s son (ahmet ertegun who made nocturnal escapes from their embassy residence in DC as a schoolboy to hang out in Harlem for jazz), and the golden period of album cover art for l.p. records, the two improvisors are linked in my memory.

      • Deepest thanks, moto, for your time, and this is meaningful to me.

        The arts aren’t as synchronized as much as some would like to think. Pollock liked the older jazz—Bunk Johnson was a favorite—and played it often. I have the the Coleman album and recall the cover—his music was more in keeping with Pollock’s art.

        I have also read quite a bit of art criticism, much on Pollock, and would heavily defend my comment in the essay that his work “invites as much as it deflects.” Much criticism is interested in its own agenda, often at the expense of the work it observes. But Pollock’s work is tremendously suggestive—and tremendously elusive. Not surprisingly, I took my cues from him. This is a dense, poetic essay that suggests much without coming to any neat conclusions. There’s a lot to unpack here.

        Art, music, both jazz and classical, and literature went through a period of intense experimentation and expressive energy, say from 1920-60. The temptation is to say they exhausted their possibilities, and they gave them a serious run, but that cannot be true. Still, there has been entrenchment and indecision in all the arts, much of it esthetically reactionary. Plus there has been the desire to reach the masses and popular taste, which always leads to diminution. I miss those years, the works I saw and read and listened to growing up, that influenced me, and the essay was an attempt to stay in touch.

        Agents and commercial houses won’t touch anything that is difficult or strains reference. There’s no money in it. Part of that is a reflection of lack of interest in readership, but years ago there were publishers who would take a chance. Similarly, there are no national publications that would print such an essay or anything similar. Much literary work now is published in small literary magazines few read, and many of these are controlled by the narrow esthetics of MFA programs, parochial and inbred.

        A much larger influence is cultural. We have moved away from metaphor to scientific thought, and this bias influences everything from education to what we see in publications. Nonfiction is preferred over fiction. Novels of any type are a hard sell.

        Or maybe certain art forms have run their course and are dying out. No one composes symphonies or operas anymore.

        But I don’t see the point in creating anything unless you push the form.

        I’ve just about finished my last project, a model of the Bauhaus building at Dessau along with a short essay. If the blog is still around next week and there is interest, I’ll throw up a link.

  29. Feltbot, interested in your idea of what Lacob will do prior to the draft and the July 1 free agency. And your impressions after the dust settles.

    Myers statements and the video guy fib thickens the plot, IMO.

  30. cheers for all hardcore, softcore and sidecore fans of warriors. to the master of this blog. we are champions.

    sadly, after watching first two games of finals in a 1 square meter toilet, sitting on toilet ‘chair, that might have caused my back to hurt for the rest of my two working weeks, i could not enjoy the masterful small ball storm (in real time) warriors produced in decisively taking this series under the tracks and running with it.

    i watched the games yesterday and it felt strange how they managed to swing the series from 4th quarter of third game. like two different series. and warriors can get better, with thompson not really doing what i expected this year playoffs, he will grow, with green, beast as he is, getting his 3point game even tighter, with ezeli maturing into fast and adept center, with barnes, after just having had his first drink at the age of 22-23 (man, by that time i have already tasted single malts in high tens, and the beer was the blood pretty much), getting more and more into the groove. warriors can only get better. and the west will be crazy next year as well.

    now, to my robespiere, unexpectedly, andre ‘iguana’ iguodala, huge props to him doing what he did in this series. just a masterful setting the band into rhythm performance.

    really nice all around ensemble win. with the solos coming in tight and just long/short enough to keep you wanting more, like in julius hemphill’s ‘the hard blues’.

    love to all, fellows and foes.

  31. barry is sitting right next to meschery in the v.i.p. bleachers at the ceremony now. a prized number one pick would not expect to get his nose broken by the incumbent vet in one of his first n.b.a. practices these days, but that was barry’s treatment from meschery back then. the players also had to wash their own jerseys — they were issued two per player. just a few years after drafting barry, mieuli couldn’t keep him from leaving, and barry became the trail breaker on the harsh path of dissolving the reserve clause and gaining free agency for n.b.a. players.

    lake merritt is truly the jewel of oaktown ; our front door is half a mile uphill, and we could see it from the schoolyard of the elementary school of my childhood. probably the best images the world will ever get of our town will be from the festivities today.

  32. One rumor floating around is that Kerr might be interested in bringing in D’Antoni to replace Gentry, sort of the reverse of what GM Kerr did in Phoenix.

    On the other hand, D’Antoni obviously must prioritize a head coaching gig, and with the “credibility enhancement” of the Ws championship you’d have to think someone would be interested in giving him another go in the big chair.

    But damn, it sure would be fun to have D’antoni running the O while Ron Adams keeps improving the D.

    On 2nd thought, if someone would dust off D’Antoni for another go, imagine how much fun Don Nelson could have with this crew. Especially if he didn’t have to run the operation, and could just focus on twisting the offense into weird shapes.

  33. the gunslingers didn’t let the celebrations distract them from their bidness, probably used the spectacle and attention as a diversion, always a good tactical option in an assault. two fatalities in what’s called the ‘deep east’ of oaktown, another three wounded about eight blocks east of the lakeside celebrations.

    meanwhile in south carolina the state which still uses the confederate colours on its flags didn’t bother to lower those flags for the victims in the church, a state senator among them.

    • to be accurate, the south carolina flag actually has a middle eastern motif with a crescent and palm tree. the confederate flag flies along with it over the capitol and war memorial, and mandated by law that it cannot be lowered without a vote by the state assembly. proud that the war between the states formally began in charleston of course.

      • moto,

        The Confederate flag over the SC capital is shameful.

        Nearly half a century ago I read this book:

        Anyone who could read of those horrors and still insist on flying the Confederate flag can’t claim to be Christian, or even human by any significant measure.

        I’m Old. I still work, but I’m suddenly facing discrimination because my face says “Old.” On a personal level, I’ve never identified myself as, well, anything of note. I’m kindof an ordinary white guy. Male. Average. I’m still the same dorky dink I was at 15, just with more background. But suddenly I’m “Old” in others’ eyes.

        Suddenly I get it.

        It doesn’t matter that I can bench press 250 pounds, or ride a double century on my bike, or blow away (younger) dumbshits at work. I’m “old,” with all the suggestive ramifications of that.

        Rachel Dolezal says “I identify as black.” OK, her parents don’t get that, but I do. Her appearance says she’s black, her co-workers evaluate her as “a black,” she’s black enough to feel the sting. She’s black enough to understand, enough to identify.

        moto, at my core I don’t identify myself as black, white, or any other color, or any age, or any other preconception, just “male.”

        I can suddenly begin to imagine how it must be to “be” a [fill-in-the-blank] male. I never knew. In my defense, how could I?

        What kind of mindless beast could think flying the Confederate flag was a good thing?

        • we might have another bush for the next president. the same bush whose secretary of state invalidated votes from the ‘bad precincts’ so his brother could get elected while losing the popular vote. and if he runs, he’ll be wooing the Spanish speaking voters.

          think there’s much overlap among the white males who don’t like obama for trying to make health care affordable, for advocating stricter firearms restrictions, for not looking ‘american’ enough ?

          • moto, the Republican “base,” their target market, is the most despicable element of humanity on the planet. Head-bangingly stupid, inhumanly cruel, and basically insensate.

            Yeah, Jeb is an asshole, it goes without saying. He’s not that stupid, he may not be that cruel, he’s just in it for the money so he says what he has to, to try to win. That doesn’t make him a winning presidential candidate. In general, Americans are well-educated enough, and understand their own self-interest well enough, to vote for the right, the true, the American way. The Stuff That Works.

            Most of us, most of the time, anyway.

            Bernie Sanders has been Flat-out Kicking Ass in New Hampshire recently. Hillary the Corporate Democrat has adopted some of Elizabeth Warren’s financial policies, a major turn-around. Neocons in Congress find themselves more and more marginalized, because the vast majority of Americans simply don’t believe in killing everything that moves throughout the MidEast.

            On the Republican side, we got what?

            Clowns and monsters.

            Most Americans are decent people who understand right and wrong, and know their own self interest, which includes welcoming “the huddled masses.” And they vote accordingly.

            I guess I can understand your concern about the pudding-face Bush getting elected. But I don’t share that concern.

  34. Myers apparently wants to decide about DLee after the draft, which I think is prudent management.

    I guess the Warriors are not planning to give up the pick before the draft in order to move Lee.

    Why? Surely they don’t want to keep Lee, especially since in all likely hood they know he’s impaired by previous core surgeries/injuries, even if David don’t like to think so. (I really hope David is back in form next season.)

    Do the Warriors entertain other trade ideas?

    Perhaps if they can get a guy in the draft they really like, they could couple another guy on the current roster with DLee in a trade?

    • Maybe DLee isn’t going anywhere.

      Maybe Shawn Livingston has played himself into DLee’s role, only he’s smaller, weaker, and not actually any faster. If that’s so, then the Ws keep Lee (an awesome rebounder) and shed Livingston instead, trading for an actual backup PG.

      • Hat, I’m thinking this looks like a real good draft and maybe Riley can pick up another Ezeli or Green, well maybe…

        Like this guy. Says he brings toughness. I say bring it on my man.

        • And he’s a PG.

          • Yeah, an interesting guy. Lots of plusses. But his report says he’s “6’2″ in sneakers,” not a long range gunner, and still developing as a PG. Hard to say how the Ws will assess him, but I think they’ll pick up on on all that. They like long wing players who can shoot.

          • Thanx hat. A big negative, if a PG can’t bury the 3.

      • And this guy as well. Looks like a taller Harrison Barnes, and looks like he can bury the 3.

        • Compares himself to Mike Scott, the Hawks Stretch-4.

          • “he ended his career shooting 33.1% on long distance shots and 33.3% on all catch and shoot jump shots this season.”

            In the Ws switching D, his foot speed is questionable. Not a 3, but a rugged backup 4. Great rebounding, not quick, not great handles. Not a “better Barnes,” more like a “bigger Draymond.” A bigger badder Carl Landry with more shooting range? That’s TBD, the guy is still a work in progress.

            Can’t really crawl into Kerr/Myers’ heads, but we’ve heard an awful lot about the Ws ability to switch freely on D with “like-sized” players. I wonder if Holmes fits that mold.

            All that said, I really like this guy. An awesome raw stud, ready to be shaped and molded by the Ws coaching staff. On the Ws, he might actually be a center.

        • we need to hear from our northern europa correspondent, martin, about the 6’10 Lithuanian who made .40 of his 3’s on one of their top teams, Arturas Gudaitis. many of the bigs in euro ball also pass well, though k.lacob managed to draft kuzmic who plays like a turn over waiting to happen.

          my general impression, way down in the draft probably isn’t the best spot for an n.b.a.-worthy lead guard. dellavedova of course demonstrated that anything is possible, but generalizing here based on history. the majority of the success stories in low draft picks are at the other positions. a low draft pick at that demanding position will probably need retraining and plenty of d-league games. a veteran who finds the team attractive (there should be a few), who knows how to cope with sporadic minutes from the bench, might be available for about the same $$ they pay speights. they’re bullish on mr.barnes and ‘swagzeli’, and expanding their roles and minutes would shrink speights’.

  35. moto, maybe others—

    Your comment @40 got me thinking and thinking back. This may or may not be of interest—and you have to get into the essay to see why:

    It, necessarily, covers a lot of ground. It’s received good notice at almost all the top places, but is still circulating. I just get tired of seeing it sit around.

    • “To be a Southerner is to live with contradictions that endured divide and corrupt you, but which opposed leave you without a self, without a kingdom to inherit. To leave the South, however, is to be set adrift with complexes no one cares about or even understands.”

      Dude. A part of that is simply Family. You’ve left yours in NC, to make your own life in Cali.

      “Race remains an awkward subject for whites to talk about, potentially volatile. Most avoid it. We are asked to take seriously in others what we can’t take seriously ourselves, or shouldn’t—our race. In effect we assume that race is something others have.”

      Yeah, that’s how I always felt about it too, and I’m a Northerner. Prejudice is a known concept but not even conceivable at a personal level. What? Me? How could this be? YOU must be defective.

      rgg, it’s not about the personal, not now. It’s politics and ethics now. Every black man gunned down by the police is an American Citizen, and it’s not acceptable for American Citizens to be treated that way.

      We’re all free, or none of us are. Everyone is protected by Constitutional guarantees, or no one is. It is absolutely NOT personal, and it IS that perfectly simple.

      • Sheesh, Hat. Nothing you say is related or makes sense. Not gonna miss you.

        • Sad to hear that you feel that way.

          rgg, I’ve always thought of you as a somewhat lonely, misguided friend with highly cultivated awareness and sensitivities enhanced by training, education and appreciation of life’s finest art, the written word.

          Maybe you could take a step back from your highly-personal, raw-nerve POV re me, and think things through again from a more generous, empathetic viewpoint.

          You don’t live in the South.

          We all have to make our own way.

          There is a right and a wrong, and today that’s more than a personal, artistic reflection, it’s political, and it’s immediate, necessary, and vital to the future.

          FWIW, that’s my POV, which makes it somewhat difficult to accept navel-gazing exercises in writing technique as somehow meaningful or worthwhile.

          rgg, you’re the best writer I’ve ever “met.” Write something worthwhile. You could change the world.

  36. I have to say I’m happy for you. You’ve been a consistent small-ball/Nellie preacher since I first visited your blog. Non wavering. Which I always thought was a weakness to an ability to see the game within all it’s dynamics. But your analysis were consistently poignant and thought provoking. Often articulated with bombastic proclamations. In all seriousness, what we saw in the finals with the 5 up was a blueprint to future success by the Warriors and another teams. So fitting it’s the Warriors and their history which notified the masses. If you choose to retire, I wish you the best. The future years of this franchise need to be chronicled by people like yourself who can honor the past and show perspective. If you have a desire to do that It’ll be a fun ride. You should sleep on it.

  37. Seems to me the Warriors
    winning the Finals had more
    to the Warriors deciding To play
    up-temp and run then it did
    to playing small ball and they
    would have won doing the same
    playing Speights and Ezeli. They
    won during the season playing tall,
    up-tempo, and running.

    • Frank, Speights can’t run at this time, and Ezeli is foul-prone.

      Going forward, the team has an an option on Speights this summer. If they’re smart, they’ll delay exercising that option until they see if Speights gets any exercise this summer. Because right now he can’t play more than a couple of minutes at a time. He’s pretty much useless.

      I liked Ezeli’s activity. He was perfect – huge energy, a scary beast on D, and a C with offense! Yay!! If he continues to develop, he’ll be a pretty good player. But the Ws won by putting their best 5 on the floor, and Ezeli isn’t one of them. He was helpful, fersher. But he would have been less helpful if he had started and played big minutes. He would have fouled out.

  38. Playing small did work
    because Smith, Della, James,
    and Della had no ability to
    as score at the rim.

  39. Didn’t know Speights could
    not run. Problem with
    Ezeli is that he makes far too
    many mistakes and bonehead

    • Truth. Ezeli is a thunderbolt.

      By my eye (I spend a lot of time in gyms but don’t calibrate my eye too often, so who knows what my eye is worth), Speights gained at least 30 pounds while down with his calf injury. But before that, he seemed to be gaining weight all season long. I can’t even imagine how terrible his diet must be for that to happen. WTF. Just to participate in practice take thousands of calories. How is it even possible to gain weight in an NBA season? Drink beer, eat mass quantities of fatty garbage. That would do it. In fact, it’s the ONLY thing that would do it.

      Ignore the Mo Buckets hype. If Speights ever decided to give 100% to his fitness and his career, he could be awesome. He never has done that. Speights’ entire career is a road map for I-don’t-give-a-shit. As a result, the team might not even be able to pick up his contract this summer.

    • Exactly!!

  40. (42) my minority (pun intentional) view re. race, divisions or distinctions are essentially impossible from a scientific, physiological basis. divisions are nearly always socio-cultural constructs with a complex of acquired perceptions and learned behaviour. my guess, rgg and hat come from divergent subcultures in this junk pile we call our common u.s.a. society, greatly increasing the possibilities of miscommunication.

    rgg, much enjoyed the biographical essay on subjects like film, theatre, wandering to opposite corners of the country for education, a bit more familiar to me than the realms of modern art and banking. at 17, deliberately set out to see things from the other side of the continent under the pretext of going off for college, and on our winter break from our Worcester MA university hitched down to the outskirts of Atlanta with my roommate. the culture of the original south (Tx is southern, very much a confederacy adherent, but its own realm) seems to be an ingredient of your angst, and something might be lost in translation for the guy from Det.

    to bring your father’s career into the context of the recent trophy parade, stories about movie house proprietors/projectionists (‘cinema paradiso’ with its two divergent endings) usually bring mordecai richler’s hero Duddy K. to my mind. GS’s two principal owners certainly relished their moment in the sun yesterday. though they’re real not fictional men, unless we’re their employees or in their elite circles of personal acquaintance, we come to know them almost as if they were fictional. for me they’ll always be richler’s adopted sons, one of them literally hustling and producing films, the other continually on the make to sell his vision of a grander place and happier life.

    • Much thanks again, moto, for your time. My essay invites investigations by others of where they’ve been and where they are now—and all of us find ourselves now in what you term the junkyard of our common culture, part of the point of the essay. I don’t know where that leaves us. The essay, necessarily, is inconclusive.

      I also suspect we’re in a time where we have simply turned our backs on matters of race—I used the essay as an opportunity to reflect—with effects we’ve seen in Ferguson and Baltimore, and more is sure to come. Many assume that everything is OK, that all of this is behind us, I guess because they don’t wave exed flags or commit other questionable behavior. Chas. Barkley has complained that young NBA players are ignorant of the events that defined his life and character, and those of many other players his age.

      And defined mine. In this respect I am fortunate, having a chance to experience wrong among otherwise good people and exercise my conscience and identity. California has been an odd experience for me, living in what in effect is economic apartheid. I can go weeks in Silicon Valley without seeing a black, and among the some 5000 students I’ve taught in this state, only about two dozen have been black, aside from one class I taught in a community college in Oakland.

      The two events you paired invite comparison and thought. I know nothing about the Oakland shootings, but will make a likely guess that it involved gangs and/or drugs. I haven’t studied the Charleston shootings, but the deranged young man appears to belong to the same category as the Korean who went on a shooting spree at Virginia Tech or the high schooler at Columbine. Would we feel better or different if he had waved a Nazi flag, or for that matter an American?

      Most of us wish these killers and those like them, less violent, would behave and keep to themselves—and stay out of sight, as I did with many in the South when I grew up. Some of us have the strength of mind to stand apart, but others need to find something with which to identify themselves, and again the present culture is not offering anything substantial.

      We are supposed to be in a time that respects our various cultures and traditions, but what is a white Southerner supposed to do—deny his? The Civil War is a defining moment in Southern history—and American—and the strongest historical family link for many. I had a grandfather in Pickett’s charge in the battle at Gettysburg, who made it to the Union wall, was wounded and captured there, and spent the rest of the war in a prison in New Jersey. I am neither proud nor ashamed of him. I am grateful, however, he survived, as he was a teenager at the time, and if he hadn’t I wouldn’t be here.

      The Confederate flag is the most commonly recognized symbol of that past and Southern identity. I wish it would go away, but I think a better option for all of us would be if it were kept and absorbed and tolerated into the general fabric of American history, with its warp and woof of scars and sores and wounds. Ban it, condemn those who wave it as racists, and more will only wave it with greater pride and perversion. I also wish the South would create more monuments for memory. The Confederate prisoner of war camp in Andersonville has been restored. I wouldn’t mind seeing other stark monuments of conscience in the South of a sort you might imagine, similar to the ones that were created in Germany after the second World War.

      • the confederate symbol is part of our national heritage, for good or ill. my war studies that started in grade school were came from the usual male child interest in the war that was then foremost in every adult memory (and revived with every mention of ‘the greatest generation’), but in the war between the states as well. stonewall jackson was a bigger hero to me than patton, and of course patton would be no patton without jackson. extremists can exploit any symbol or flag for their own aims, and seeing the stars and bars does us no harm if we consider it a reminder that it took a catastrophic, fratricidal war for our nation to end slavery, and slavery persists both inside and outside our national borders. no one objects to flying the stars and stripes, and unspeakable atrocities and massacres have been carried out under that flag. the twenty dollar bill is a symbol of genocide, honoring the president who forcibly evacuated indigenous peoples, including tribes who were his former allies.

        for me there is a significant difference between the shooting gallery murders perpetrated in Columbine or Virginia Tech and the south carolina church. yes, the killers were all male and likely damaged or deranged psychologically and emotionally, perhaps organically impaired. we shouldn’t ignore though what sets apart the recent church killings, the bombing of the Birmingham church during the civil rights struggle that killed children, or the slaughter at the summer camp in Norway a few years ago. the killers weren’t really the classic ‘loners’, but felt empowered by communities advocating ethnic cleansing and its odious variations.

  41. Answers to questions we all have on our minds. Note especially #5.

    • “If they’re just a random one-and-done champion a la the ’04 Pistons, I think their accomplishments will be diminished and dismissed as somewhat fluky. ”

      The “fluky” ’04 Pistons made 6 ECF in a row, and won 2 NBA finals in a row.

      I’ll take it.

  42. GooseLosGatos

    Go to and scroll down and you’ll find a fascinating article on how Mark Jackson told last years team that Festus E. was rooting against the team on the bench while he was injured and the aftermath that ensued because of it.

    Don’t know how to ‘link’ on my phone but pretty incredible and ‘sickening’ story. Whatever you think of M. Jackson you’ll think much less after reading the article.

      • GooseLosGatos

        That’s It! Thanks…

      • the media still gives the preacher credit for improving the team’s defense. he did improve their effort and focus on defense, but they also had malone in the critical early makeover, and erman the thibodeau understudy. learning about this clumsy brainwashing tactic only makes erman’s covert recording seem more justifiable.

        • moto, I think it’s mostly likely that Jackson’s reign created an environment of paranoia and distrust without him ever overtly, clearly, saying anything bad about anyone.

          As a coach, Jackson is a throwback to the old NBA, in which an offensive scheme consists of simply “stars getting busy.” In other words, he’s mostly kinda ignorant of modern basketball. You can see it even today in his deference toward LBJames, for example.

          Jackson did/(allowed his assistants to do) some very good things, like building an innovative, excellent defense, the best in the league. His offensive traditionalism was the shits. His personal insecurity showed through in every post-game interview after a loss. Good riddance. I despise the guy, as a coach.

          But intentionally trashing a young player with his peers? Naw, there’s more to the story. It’s not as simple as “Jackson said.”

          Lowe heard something 3rd-hand, and ran with it to contrast Jackson’s style v. Kerr’s. There’s not much more to the story. FWIW, that’s my take on it.

          • lacob has enjoyed a very good run of luck. he knew (no one could) nothing of jackson’s capacities as a head coach, and got decent results. the erratic physical condition of his starting center didn’t set back the team because the second round pick, who didn’t really fit lacob’s magical paradigm of bigger = better, defied all expectations except his own, his mother’s, and his college mentor’s. and maybe the next time green gets back spasms at a critical point in a playoff series, he’s not as quick to recover. howard snubbed lacob’s courtship, and their good luck token west made a defiant stand to block the love trade.

            does the owner understand how lucky he’s been, or will he assume credit (shared benevolently of course) and carry on convinced his vision will be his destiny.

          • I didn’t believe that story either. I mean, I know Mark Jackson is crazy but don’t think he is stupid to tell the players about their teammate like that.

    • MJax did say something during the finals questioning Ezeli’s health, though he looked healthy on the court this season. Also there is some debate whether Ezeli was pushed to play a few years back after a knee injury when he should have sat. I assume MJax would have been involved there.

      Then there was the stir when Bogut sat, back, I think, and MJax questioned that publicly.

      MJax was quite secretive, or worse, as was his staff. This opens him up to rumors. He also played his starters long minutes, though, with his job on the line and uncertain, that is understandable.

      Both problems were addressed this season. The coaches open up and talk and health has been better preserved.

  43. Anyone else notice the bay area sports guy site is down too? It’s spooky.

  44. moto,

    “does the owner understand how lucky he’s been, or will he assume credit (shared benevolently of course) and carry on convinced his vision will be his destiny.”

    What ever his vision is, he listed to the experts in Jerry West by not trading Klay, he let others make decisions like signing Iguodala when he was not available and even showing his willingness to trade his ‘favorite’ player by okaying Barnes+Lee for Love. He and Myers might have had vision of playing big but Kerr finished the season with smaller team, so he let Kerr coach.

    Oh, yeah, he also brought luck to the team. As long as he listens, to the so called think tank of West, Kerr and Myers, he will be one of the best owner.

  45. GooseLosGatos

    Rumors abound that Dubs are trying to move up in the draft.

    I suspect they’re trying to nab Montrezl Harrell. If you watch his scouting report on DraftExpress you’ll understand why….

  46. it’s reassuring to know Professor Rubin still dreams the impossible dream and proposes trading mr.barnes. the finals provided pretty fair evidence that iguodala is more of an impact player on both ends, and would be harder to replace, but the true believers, now legion and feeling vindicated in the glow of the team’s eminence, will carry on with the barnes mantra ‘he can only get better’.

    • Love has opted out. I would not be surprised if the FO does not spend most of the trade season time and energy acquiring him, shedding whoever they can, working on the assumption they can dump Lee somehow.

    • Where da Bot, anyway?

    • moto, may be Barnes may not get better or may be because he is still young. You wish Barnes be traded and for what ? Didn’t we just win a championship and 67 games in regular season.

      Comparing Barnes and Iguodala is not fair to either player, they are two totally different players. Iguodala is of course a more impactful player but why is that relevant. Iguodala, for example, couldn’t have guarded Zach Randolph. Did it occur to you that because Barnes started whole season, Iguodala was unhurt in playoffs unlike last season when Iguodala started but ended up with hamstring issues.

      Warriors won a championship with Barnes as starter, Iguodala coming off bench and finishing, i.e. playing bigger role than Barnes. Coaches got it right and fans got it right when they see Barnes as a solid player.

      You do not like Barnes, that is quite obvious.

  47. Felt, from side bar “feltbot @feltbot
    The real home run would be if the Warriors could package The Black Falcon with Lee, and keep their draft pick.”

    You really think warriors get a player better than Barnes at #30. Do you know how many players picked at 30 don’t even survive a season.

    I think, just guessing that warriors can win with Barnes starting at SF.

    • the player picked at #30 won’t be the candidate for a future spot in the rotation’s top seven or eight, harry. what if lee and barnes can get a much lower pick, or another younger player who can defend the 4/5, contribute passing and points out of the post or the pick and roll (which mr.barnes cannot), set good screens (which barnes struggles at). you keep coming back to barnes’ defense on randolph, and we’ll never know if randolph would have led his team to a series win over GS against those other, puny and ineffective defenders on the GS roster.

      • moto, so you want to trade Lee, Barnes and #30 pick for a player who may never work out. So, you want to basically trade proven contributor, a young piece to an unproven player and for what so team can improve from 67 wins and championship. I don’t think it makes sense. You can ignore but Barnes have had a very good playoffs, playing well in more games than not. And, he did guard Zach Randolph and Harden very well, working very well within the defensive schemes. Barnes play as SF/PF combo is very valuable 2nd only to Green. He also complemented Green very well. The results are their to see, you just need to open your eyes and put aside your bias. You can have an opinion that Barnes will not improve and that I can respect that even if I won’t agree but wanting to trade a championship piece because you don’t like him personally is not befitting such a smart guy like you. In case you have not noticed, Green at C, Barnes at PF, Iguodala at SF to with Curry and Klay had been warriors trump card which they used wisely. Livingston also gives good minutes at SF but Iguodala and Livingston can’t guard PFs and can’t rebound.

        Try overcoming your bias, open your mind and may be your opinion formed of Barnes because he is ownership pet or because he got what ever handed easily or because as 19 year old talked about ‘brand’, what ever, if you can give a fresh look, I am sure you will find a young guy who is doing what coaches have asked him to do, just fitting in.

  48. David West opted out. That opens up a position and cap room for IND. I imagine Bird might like both Lee and Harrison.

    Anybody up for trading Lee and Harrison for #11?

    • The guy I really want is RJ Hunter. And apparently the Warriors were interested:

      Georgia State guard R.J. Hunter said that one of the oddest questions he got this week came during his meeting with the Mavericks. “Dallas,” he said, “asked me how many basketballs would fit in this room.”


      “Yeah, I said, ‘How much time do I have?’ ” Hunter recalled. “They said, ‘Take your time.’ So I sat there for 10 minutes and just kind of tried to figure it out.”

      And the guess was … “900,” Hunter said. “I don’t know where I pulled that from.”

      Hunter said he also met with the Warriors, which he thought, at first, was unnecessary because he is a shooter and the Warriors already have Klay Thompson and Steph Curry.

      “But Golden State told me they need a shooter,” Hunter said. “I don’t know what that meant, but I’ll take it.”

  49. A few things that I think have been left out of the Barnes trade discussion:
    — this season can never be repeated. And by that I mean that this is the last season that both Draymond and Barnes will be on rookie deals. It will get increasingly expensive to keep both.
    — There is overlap in the two players positions. Particularly if Draymond and his agent seek time at the three. But even if they don’t, we all just had two things proven to us about Barnes once again in these playoffs: 1) Stretch-four is his best position, by far; and 2) He is a short-time player, and not a 4th quarter player for the Warriors.

    If Barnes wants to star in the league, and you should have no doubt that someone who named himself The Black Falcon before he entered the league does have those aspirations, then he has to get himself off the Warriors. As with David Lee, I have little doubt that TBF’s time on the team is limited. Unless the Ws are stupid enough to move Iggy to make room for him.
    — Barnes might just be the most attractive piece the Warriors can attach to get rid of Lee. I realize that assumes massive stupidity on the part of potential trade partners, but… yes, I am assuming that. It is rampant.

    • Felt,

      If Barnes really want to see if he can become an all star, then leaving warriors would be his option. The ‘Black Falcon’ he called himself 3 years back before NBA reality.

      Agree stretch – four is his best position but start at SF and move to stretch 4 in small ball is the best role for him as proven last year.

      Barnes proved to be a 4th quarter player in the playoffs especially. He was on the floor when Bogut was not in 4th quarters and did hit many big shots, pulled key rebounds and defended bigger and small players very well. He is becoming one of the best role player in the NBA. The warriors D is what it is because warriors don’t double team anyone and switch seamlessly. Draymond+Barnes has done a great job as SF/PF players.

      If Barnes sees himself as a star, we will know very soon when the extension talks will resume. If he sees himself as a star, he would command 15 mils a year otherwise he will simply wait for one more year to prove his worth or agree to an extension of 9-11 mils a year.

      If the reports that warriors want to move up are correct then Barnes might as well be the cost but that would be a huge mistake, IMO. You won’t trade a home grown talent with 3 years of playoff experience, championship experience and a 22 year old in that. Most stretch 4s can’t guard post as well as Barnes or switch to a SG like Harden and trouble him(not sure if you remember or observed but Harden didn’t drive on bigger Barnes when he was switched on to him).

      I expect Barnes to become that third consistent scorer warriors would need to repeat.

      BTW: the trade I won’t mind doing is Barnes+Bogut for Marc Gasol.

    • The attractive trade piece would be Ezeli. I thought I heard that the Warriors were planning to renegotiate Barnes’ contract while he’s “cheap” (i.e. before he becomes a “star”)?

      As it stands now, the Warriors have 11 players next year, assuming they pick up Speights’ option. Rush has opted in. That does not include Green, Holiday, or Barbosa—or the junk—but does include Lee

      Their salary for that comes to $83.4m. As I understand it the current projected cap next season is $67.1 m, with tax kicking in at $81.6. (I assume moto will correct me on all this if I’m wrong.)

      Draft Express predicts the cap will shoot up after that:

      “New salary cap projections sent out to NBA teams: 2015-16: 67.1 million, tax 81.6, 2016-17: 89 million, tax 108. 2017-18: 108, 127 tax. Further projections sent out: 2018-19: 100 million salary cap, 121 tax , 2019-20: 102 salary cap, 124 tax, 2020-2021:107 salary cap, 130 tax.”

      Which means options will be tight next season, especially and greatly if they can’t trade Lee, but will open up the following years. And at the very least, if they move Lee, they’ll have 5 spots to fill at minimum + contracts.

      I don’t see how they trade Lee, unless someone needs an expiring. We know nothing about his health or his ability to play a full productive season, and I assume others know that as well. Lowe suggests they might buy him out, which means someone else has to pick him up at reduced price and the Warriors are spared that amount on the cap.

      I wouldn’t be surprised if Lacob doesn’t go into maintenance mode next season, minimizing tax as much as possible. And I hate to think where that would leave the team.

      But I’m going to sit on my hands and wait this season. Strange things happen.

    • Felt, somehow I got the idea Barnes, or his agent, glimpse a bit more of reality now than several years ago. At the right price, which I *think* Barnes would accept, he is a beneficial role/support guy for the Warriors for the the reasons Harry lists above.

      On the other hand, if another team sees him as a potential star, then by all means trade him along with DLee and/or the 30th pick to move up in the draft or to obtain a current player.

      Livingston is another guy who could be traded, and like Barnes, Kerr utilized him well in his system, both offense and defense, and in his rotations.

  50. Back from vacation and cogitating a few final remarks. Hope to have something up in a few days.

  51. Portland expecting to lose Aldridge, so traded Batum for a young, rough Aldridge replacement. The situation suggests that we can expect to see more PT for Myers Leonard. A dual C (post+stretch) lineup for Portland? Cool. Portland also reported to be pursuing K. Love.

    Matt Barnes >> Grizzlies, as a cheap backup wing defender. Good move for Barnes. Out of the toxic environment of the Clips, onto an excellent team. One more year’s paycheck for a marginal player but A-1 survivor.

    Monta out at Mavs, “pursuing long-term deal with Atlanta” among others. Is Monta coachable? If so, he’d be a great fit w/ the Hawks. If not, he’s going somewhere else, probably to a bottom feeder. Hard to imagine what the Mavs will look like without the team’s #1 offensive initiator. Clever Mavs team management, or just nutty?

    Lots of rumors about a Cousins trade. Seems unlikely, but it could give Ranadive the run-run small-ball team he’s always wanted. One “rumored” trade parter: Pelicans. OMFG. Cousins + Davis? Now THERE’S a coaching challenge for our guy Gentry, a supergiant team in a smallball league.

    I love this time of year.

  52. Kings considering firing Karl. . . .

  53. “feltbot @feltbot
    Anyone else reminded by the George Karl / DeMarcus Cousins situation of Don Nelson and Patrick Ewing?”

    Reminding me of Don Nelson/Chris Webber situation.

    • Karl couldn’t deal with Joe Barry Carrol back in the day

    • cosmicballoon

      Cousins is turning into an enigma. He’s the most capable low post scorer in the NBA in a league that has little value for low post scoring.

      It’s looking like Ranadive is making mistakes that Lacob didn’t make. Interesting…and who would have predicted it? Ranadive will quickly become the laughingstock of the NBA if he continues to be the man who makes all the decisions. He has hired a coach that doesn’t want to play the style of basketball that his best player wants to play. Lacob went the opposite route. He hired a coach who embraced the style of offense that his best player is best at playing.

      • In a league that suddenly *perceives* less value in low-post scoring.

        Cousins is a beast. Give him some complementary players and a good coach, and he’s a winner.

  54. I don’t buy that the Kings are considering firing Karl, or are not interested in trading Cousins. At all. They are totally shopping Cousins, and Karl is taking the heat for the organization. Cmon guys, you aren’t falling for the media stories are you?

    It is Vivek Ranadive above all who believes in all-out Nellieball. Cauley-Stein – just drafted – and Javale McGee – whom Karl is currently angling for – are the prototypical centers for that running style, not Boogie.

    I doubt that Vivek gives a rat’s ass what people think of him. He is a brilliant man and a revolutionary, and the revolution has begun. I love it.

  55. Darn, the Celts grabbed Rozier at 16 and Hunter at 28.

  56. Great. Another one way player:

    “Looney also shows potential as a floor-spacer, knocking down 22 of his 53 attempts (41.5%) from beyond the arc on the season in the 36 games he played in. The sample size leaves something to be desired here, particularly when you consider the fact that he shot just 63% from the free throw line, but his mechanics are solid and he appears to fairly consistent when shooting with his feet set. When defenses close out too aggressively, Looney has the ability to attack closeouts and make his way to the basket in a straight line, although he does not have any type of pull-up jumper at this stage due to his rudimentary footwork and slow release, making just 5 of his 21 off the dribble attempts on the season.”

    • Note also this tweet from the same link:

      “DraftExpress: According to a NBA executive Kevon Looney was red-flagged with a degenerative back as well as a hip issue. May require surgery down road.”

      Should fit in with the other cripples. Lacob has a death wish.

      • montrezl harrell seemed to me a better option with the pick — Hou took him just two picks later. a three position defender, a couple of inches taller than d’mond with a 7’4 arm span.

        • Maui Nellie

          The front office perspective

          Looney, a top-10 player coming out of high school, shocked much in the recruiting community by leaving Wisconsin to play at UCLA. He got minutes right away, and early on many scouts thought he should be a top-five pick based on his length, versatility and elite rebounding skills.

          Looney’s production cooled off somewhat as the season went on. As UCLA faced tougher opponents, Looney sometimes struggled offensively to assert himself. He remained, however, a presence on the offensive glass, showed a sweet 3-point shot and would show glimpses of being able to bring the ball up the floor. The scouts that watched him in practice came away smitten with his ability to play small forward in the pros.

          Looney is still largely about upside and the team that takes him will have to be patient until he adds strength, improves his conditioning and adds a solid midrange game. Still, the ceiling on Looney is tremendous and if he hits it, he’ll be one of the best players in the draft. Look for him to land in the 7-to-14 range.

          “My staff is kind of split on him,” one GM said. “You see the potential for greatness there. The kid is crazy long, he’s tougher than you think and when you see him in practice, he can even play like a guard. He’ll be better on the right team in the NBA than he was at UCLA. But I also could see him never finding a position, and being stuck as a tweener that never figures out his true identity. He goes to the right team, he could be an All-Star. The wrong team, and I could see him being really disappointing. I could say that about a lot of the kids in this draft, but Looney especially fits that mold.”

          — Chad Ford

  57. My guess is Looney has surgery in a few weeks and is out for the season recovering. If he is healthy enough to play, it will be in Santa Cruz. And odds are the guy never suits up for us for a single minute.

    • He looked crippled just walking up on the stage.

      Maybe the Warriors had him checked out by the same doc who OKed Bogut’s ankle and Livingston’s toe.

  58. Maui Nellie

    ESPN’s Chad Ford on the Kings and Warriors (draft):

    The Kings have been losing all week as the front office, head coach, owner and DeMarcus Cousins all turn on each other. There isn’t a more dysfunctional team in the league right now. More evidence arose on Thursday when they drafted Willie Cauley-Stein ahead of Emmanuel Mudiay and Winslow. Cauley-Stein has tons of talent. He might be the Defensive Player of the Year someday. But there’s a big might.

    There are major questions ahead — many more questions than there are for Mudiay or Winslow. With Cauley-Stein otherwise likely to fall all the way to the Suns at 13, it seems like the Kings were dead set on Cauley-Stein, and they could’ve moved back and drafted him lower. This wasn’t a major mistake, but I think had the Kings actually scouted Mudiay this year, they would’ve made a different choice.


    Cauley-Stein is a boom or bust prospect. He could be not only the best defender in the draft, but also the best defender in the NBA. He’s the most athletic 7-footer I’ve ever scouted and has elite defensive instincts. The problem lies on the other end. His offensive skills are rudimentary. You’re playing four-on-five on offense and six-on-five on defense with him. He fits great next to DeMarcus Cousins — if Cousins stays in Sacramento. The Kings desperately need a rim protector. They also added another mercurial personality to the mix. Very interesting.


    Warriors (Looney)

    I love this pick. Looney was once ranked in the top 5. An injury to his hip (that will likely require surgery) and concerns about what position he plays hurt his draft stock. There is a ton of talent there. He’s a great rebounder and is more skilled than he showed at UCLA. If he gets healthy, the Warriors got a lottery pick at No. 30. The rich get richer.

    • the draftexpress video package on looney’s weaknesses wasn’t very kind to him. didn’t show much quickness or power in his footwork and lower body. doesn’t finish at the rim strongly — in one play he was just knocked down, horizontal on the floor at the end.

      • Maui Nellie

        Only time will tell but the kid’s still a teenager.

      • warriorablaze

        The DraftExpress weakness videos are kind to nobody.

        To me, he is very Draymond Green-like… tweener, shows good instincts, aggressive on the boards and on D, can shoot a little, and seems to be able to handle and pass a bit.

        Not much of a low post game from the vids I saw, but he’s definitely more of the stretch 4 type.

    • Chad Ford is notorious for going back and changing his draft rankings in prior years to erase the record of his huge misses.

      If that weren’t enough for you, then this sentence — “He fits great next to DeMarcus Cousins…” — should clue you in immediately that his opinions are worthless.

  59. GooseLosGatos

    Not sure what FB’s ‘love affair’ with Vivek is about. Disregarding any possible ‘media bias’ his leadership style has thus far bordered on schizophrenic. Our owner brought in West and Vivek brought in Mullen (signed Murphy, Foyle & Dunleavy to big, long guaranteed contracts) and was behind the Kings Rudy ‘way overrated’ Gay signing. I’m sure Vlade will be a big upgrade.

    By the way Feltbot, business genius and basketball management/genius aren’t the same thing. I guess I just don’t see Vivek’s basketball ‘brilliance’ just yet. Maybe it’s that his initials aren’t JL…..

    Watched a few Looney interviews and they blew me away – genuine, smart and passionate. Whatever his med issues are, I’m going to give the Warriors ‘Championship’ Front Office the benefit of the doubt they did their research as I had preferred Montrezl as well…..

    • Maui Nellie

      Right now Sactown is Dysfunction Junction.

    • Just curious, but has Vivek intentionally tanked two seasons with a playoff core yet? Hired an incompetent and completely dysfunctional man to be his head coach, and suffered a horrific meltdown of his coaching staff midseason of the third full year of his ownership?

      Wondering why the short leash here? Amazing to me how short people’s memories are. Why don’t we wait to see what kind of team George Karl is putting on the floor in his third full season?

      • cosmicballoon

        How do you explain Malone’s stint in Sac?

        To me Vivek is a young Cuban. A self made man who has great ideas, but as a young owner is lacking in execution. Karl is to Vivek as Nelson was to Cuban.

  60. From TK:

    -Q: There was a report about his hip. What can you tell us about that? Could he possibly miss some time at the start of camp?

    -MYERS: I’d just be speculating right now. We’re going to get him out here and take a look at him.

    It’s possible but not for sure. We’ll look at him, let our doctors make that determination.

    Fortunately for us, whatever it us, with our roster, the way it’s constructed, it’d be hard for anybody we draft to get a chance to crack the rotation.

    So if he needs to take some time to recover from anything that might be there, or not, then he will. And we’re fine with that.

    But we have no indication that there’s anything that has to happen. We haven’t looked at him ourselves and if we do and there’s something, we’ll deal with it.

    We have no indication that he needs surgery or has to have any type of procedures done.

    -Q: There was another report about a degenerative back issue.

    -MYERS: I didn’t hear that one. If you look at the medical reports, every single player has something. So no… until you get your hands on him, it’s hard to say what a guy is or isn’t…

  61. My non-opinion opinion of Looney (I don’t watch NCAA “basketball”, and have only seen one highlight tape, against a pitiful team called Stanford):

    1) When healthy, he’s quite clearly not a one-way player. He rebounds like a demon and also shotblocks. For someone who shoots the three like he does, that’s a hell of a skill set for a stretch four, if it translates to the NBA.

    2) He slipped in the draft due to his injury, so if the Warriors somehow know he’ll eventually return to full health it could be a very savvy move. However, lets not forget, it’s the Warriors medical staff, who were clueless about Bogut’s ankle, and Bob Myers’ statement when confronted with the degenerative back issue “I didn’t hear that one”, didn’t exactly inspire confidence.

    3) I saw Kerr say that #30 picks historically have an 11% chance of lasting 2 years in the league. So it’s not a bad idea to roll the dice like this. It’s always a huge gamble drafting big men. At 30, what’s to lose?

    • I agree with Evan that it’s likely Looney either redshirts his freshman year, or spends it in the D-League.

      Either that, or Harrison Barnes and McAdoo fans should be concerned.

    • What’s the percentage of anyone Myers scouts lasting 2 years in the league?

      He took a whopping 53 college 3’s while with UCLA. His other shooting %s are suspect.

      • One of the most amusing parts of Warriors drafts is watching who steps up and tries to take the credit (or dodge the blame) in later years. Looking forward to that as much as watching Looney play.

        • There’s not a single promising prospect on roster. We don’t know McAdoo can shoot, or can develop a shot. Holiday’s age, 26, makes us think we’ve seen all we’re going to see from him, maybe some spot fill in at 2. And he hasn’t been resigned.

          It’s clear Riley is out of the loop. He didn’t have his hands on Looney.

          • Do we know that?

          • “What Joe Lacob, our primary new owner said to me was, ‘Look, we’ve drafted well, we’ve done some good things. We simply want our own people.’”


            We know Riley scouted Curry, Ezeli, Thompson, and Green. After that I don’t think he had his hands on anyone, certainly not NN Kuz, or Holiday. I’m not clear if he scouted Jenkins or not. It’s also clear he took a back seat on Harry. (Did he voice reservations? I’ve forgotten.)

            He is 70, tho.

            And the statement is about scouting, the ability to find young talent in ambiguous situations—overseas, college teams, where a player has limited experience and plays against ambiguous competition. Established players such as Iguodala don’t count, as they have years experience to evaluate in the NBA.

            Has the brain trust successfully scouted anyone in 6 years? Certainly no one on the current roster. And by success I simply mean someone worth holding on to.

          • Myers and someone named Harris scouted Looney. Myers said he saw him play a few times.

          • Pretty clear that Riley was on the job for this draft, and he’s still head of scouting. No idea why you’re so down on this pick. He’s what, 19? And if he fulfills his promise he could be a valuable stretch four.

          • Not down, but he looks awfully raw. Skills are missing. Plus all the health questions.

          • the guy you identify as ‘someone named Harris’ has been mentioned by me in franchise lore. larry harris, former Mil g.m. who drafted bogut, longtime buddy of nelson and riley, brought to the staff as an assistant by nelson, and riley’s (nelson had been canned by el caudillo) inside connection in the bogut trade.

          • Son of Del Harris, who was Nellie’s right hand man on the Mavs.

            Seems likely that Riley was in the loop on this pick.

          • Oh golly gee rgg, no prospects? What a toxic organization. Man, It’s almost like the Warriors have had the #30, #30, #52, #35, #30, and #7 picks in the last three years. Who needs an NBA championship and contending core for years to come when you could have promising prospects?

            It continues to be unbelievable that you actually believe a single person deserves all the credit or blame for a draft pick, as if Riley just decided to sit out the drafts where the not good players were taken (how conveniently unprovable).

            Feltbot is a legendary blogger who will be missed, but the commenters…

      • “We know Riley scouted Curry, Ezeli, Thompson, and Green.”

        Nope, you don’t know. If he scouted Ezeli and Green, he also scouted Looney, Charles Jenkins, Barnes etc.. You are speculating to fit your narrative.

        How do I know you are speculating or imagining, 3 months back you posted a question as what is Riley doing these days, not aware that he was still with Warriors organization.

        • For Udoh, Udoh was Riley’s pick all the way.

        • Yes, Harry, we do know. Riley’s actual experience scouting, attending games, and his comments were reported in the press and linked here. I haven’t been able to find anything similar with the other players since. Perhaps you can help out.

          The Warriors were desperate for a big of some sort in a weak draft. The only other alternative was Greg Monroe. He missed much of his first season because of a training injury after he was drafted. At least he was able to play his first season and the next, starting many games, playing significant minutes, showing occasional promise, filling in for the often injured Biedrens and and the Myers/Lacob bust Kwame Brown, who went down after a game or two.

          • warriorablaze

            Riley’s experiences reported in the press were during his time as GM, no?

            He’s the head of scouting, dude… the idea that he’s not involved is ludicrous.

          • The reports mentioned actual games he went to. I suspect he has simply rubber stamped decisions made by others. He hasn’t spoken about them.

          • Holliday was reported as a Myers/K. Lacob project. The best guess, reported, is that K. Lacob scouted Ned and Kuz on his European swing.


            You think Riley’s vote has any sway?

          • rgg,
            Stephen Curry credits Riley for picking him but I can argue that Riley was Nellie’s puppet that time and Nellie’s influenced more on Curry than Riley but still at the end of the day Riley was the GM and he gets credit for picking Curry.

            I can show the articles where it said Myers made decision to draft Green, can you show an article or comment where Riley was instrumental in getting Green.

            believe what you want to believe but atleast be consistent. There are some bad picks made by Riley to go with good picks. You can’t have both ways. If he had his influence on picking Green, he also played part in picking Barnes(who you despise), NN , Charles Jenkins, Udoh. Link me any report that Green was Riley’s pick and also that Barnes is not his pick. Riley was also the GM when Keith Smart was picked as coach. Riley also traded for Bogut, another trade Riley said it was easy decision for him to do this trade when he was GM.

            He is the director of scouting. He has a key job in scouting talent and if Lacob and co don’t take his input, why do you think, he is still there ? Riley said, he is grateful that new ownership retained him, that is actually unusual move to retain someone from previous regime.

            BTW, even if Riley was the one who scouted Green, it is not his decision to pick Green.

    • One more thought: Joe Lacob has gone from drafting point guards who can’t shoot the three, to drafting power forwards who can.

      Culture change?

      • No change at all if you consider Barnes, the best-shooting 3 in the league, but one who came into the league not really understanding the game much.

        The team still needs a backup shooting 1. Maybe Lacob & Co. think Curry is indestructible or Iggy is a “good enough” substitute to run the 2nd unit. Whatever. The team wasn’t going to get another Curry (who ever will?) in this draft anyway. They won’t get even an approximation of a Curry unless they extend their payroll punishment via free agency, which is untenable business-wise.

        I have no problems whatsoever with Looney. Yeah, he needs a medical tune-up and the Ws coaching staff will have to devote tons of work to his offensive moves. BUT.

        The dude is huge, quick, ravenous, and not devoid of heart and skills. He’s SO MUCH HUNGRIER THAN BARNES that if Kerr wants to play him with the starters I’m giving Barnes the bum’s rush to the exit without further ado, no questions asked, no problem whatsoever.

        The negativist whiners among us (you know who you are, rgg) might disagree. Riley is a sage, so let’s fret about his involvement in this selection?

        Loony is a bigger, better, HUNGRIER Barnes, or a quicker Lee, or simply a super-sized cog in the positionless machine Kerr runs to KICK WORLDWIDE ASS.

        Maybe I don’t “get it,” but that all sounds just fine to me. I like Larry Riley just fine, but nobody gets it perfect, even him. Anyone want to talk about Acie Law?

        • I think warrios need a backup 1 too, the one that can shoot and slash. But, amazingly Curry averaged only 33 mpg, so warriors may not need until playoffs unless they plan to play Curry as many heavy minutes in playoffs again. Probably best to wait for few months to see how team is doing and then assess the needs and then you use Livingston or Mo Speights expiring contracts or next year draft pick to fill the needs.

          If Loony works out great but not much of a concern if he doesn’t, he is picked #30 for god sake. Low risk, high gain kind of move. Not going to change warriors fortune for worse.

    • cosmicballoon

      This was the 49ers draft strategy when they were making the NFC championship game. They would draft and stash while the usually excellent college player recovered from a major surgery. Like you mentioned, we shouldn’t have expectations for the 30th overall pick.

    • “It’s always a huge gamble drafting big men. At 30, what’s to lose?”

      Funny thing is we got Ezeli at #30 and we actually passed on Rudy Gobert to get that dropout Nedovic.

    • There’s video of Looney going up against Arizona. Although he did not perform well in the matchup, it is encouraging that Looney was mostly defended by Hollis-Jefferson (clearly the Draymond of that team). But Looney will likely never have to face anywhere near that kind of defender in the NBA. I mean, if he can stay healthy and simply knock down open 3’s (i.e. at a rate even better than Draymond, for example) there could be something there.

      But I’m very skeptical that he stays healthy long enough to play a single minute in the NBA.

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  62. Add sports asthma to Looney’s mix:

    “Former UCLA forward Kevon Looney entered the draft with two major red flags: a hip injury and sports asthma.

    “Late in the first round, however, Looney, his family and his agent Todd Ramasar abruptly departed from the room for the depths of the Barclays Center when the forward’s prospects looked in doubt. But once Looney and his family received word that the champion Golden State Warriors were selecting him with the 30th and final pick of the first round, they rushed back to the green room to sit down and enjoy the once-in-a-lifetime moment in front of the TV cameras.”

  63. Here’s one for Looney optimists:

  64. Warriors management signed Livingston
    for his defensive length that contributed
    to the Warriors having the best defense in
    the NBA. Also, he shot a high percentage
    shooting 2’s.

    Looney drafted for his offensive rebounding
    his shooting three’s. Will be interested to
    see if other bigs drafted in 2nd round are

    Warriors still need a starting PF. Won’t
    have the luck doing without one as they
    this year in the playoffs. Green good but
    not the answer as our long term starting PF.

    • As starting PF, the NBA champion Green was:

      – runner up for DPOY
      – 2nd best player
      – all NBA defense
      – top 3 player in every playoff win
      – NBA champion

      Also, on the line to get 15 mils a year, Green was not just good, he was excellent. Name a PF, you rather have that have achieved what Green can do.

      • Ed Davis, Paul Milsap, and Tristan Thompson are free agents.

        I would couple any of these 3 guys starting with Green over starting Green and Barnes.

        • Green is PF, deal with it and you want to trade champion at SF?

          • Would not like to see a Green trade. Barnes OK, if the team benefits from a Barnes over valuation by another team. For sure, I would trade Barnes straight up for any of those 3, given the team has Green and Iguodala.

    • “Green good but
      not the answer as our long term starting PF.”

      If winning a championship isn’t the answer, I’m not sure what the question is.


    “Harris said Looney’s length and gangly appearance allowed him to project to become a player like Joe Smith, who despite disappointing as the Warriors’ No. 1 overall pick in 1995, went on to play 13 NBA seasons.”

    Harris is a Warriors scout.

  66. The warriors win in Finals
    Is tarnished by fact the
    Cleveland’s roster was severely
    depleted. To ignore such ignore
    reality. Warriors would have
    Been lucky to have won a game if
    Cleveland at full strength.

    Green shooting 47 percent from
    the field in playoffs leaves a lot
    to be desired. Warriors resting on
    their laurels and not improving
    roster.would be big mistake.

    Curry and Iggy basically carried the
    team in finals.. Team needs to

  67. Does anyone keep up with this? Obviously draft players are getting younger since the rule change, but they seem awfully young this year. Of the first round picks, 15 are freshmen, including 4 of the top 7, and 5 are sophs. There are also 4 foreign players, most about the same age, which means over 2/3 of the players are 19-20.

    Casual thoughts:

    1. Most of these players have limited experience entering the NBA—whatever they got in high school and AAU and a season with Calipari. Many still haven’t fully developed emotionally or physically. 21 vs 19 is a big difference.

    2. Nor is it clear what they can do, given their limited experience in a competitive environment such as college basketball. Thus, except for the rare and obvious talent, they are more of a gamble.

    3. And I have to wonder how well they can develop in the NBA where it is likely they will play limited minutes in the much stiffer NBA competition or play in the D-League, which sounds like a very mixed bag in terms of development and competition. Has there been a single candidate from Santa Cruz who has come up and might have a chance? McAdoo is the closest I can think of.

    At any rate, the odds of a draftee contributing soon are low. Just about every player drafted is now a project.

    4. College basketball is bigger than ever in terms of bucks and exposure. Are they not developing midrange players at most positions, especially point guard, who, while maybe not as athletic or talented, are nonetheless capable? Every NBA team could use one. (The players are older in the second round picks, however.)

    Or are NBA teams simply gambling on what they think are talents, picking them up before someone else does, and not worrying about dumping them if they don’t pan out?

    It’s hard to believe this won’t affect overall quality in the NBA down the road.

    I don’t get the sense there are many college b-ball followers here. I can’t keep up with all the one and dones. I miss following players develop in college. And I’m bored with the product. I used to follow the ACC since I grew up in the area, but I stopped—well when HB, after all the hype, made such a dismal showing for UNC.

    • Yeah, was this the most 19-year olds ever?

      And what of the kids who don’t even get drafted like Christian Wood? Don’t they lose their eligibility to return to college?

    • many of your observations are part of the rationale of der kommissar silver’s advocacy of raising the minimum age to twenty to enter the draft. on the opposing side is organized labor and the agents. eighteen year olds can enter the general work force and military. olympic athletes are extremely commercialized at ages well under eighteen and some have entered lucrative professional careers in their sport before that age. the very existence of the draft is a significant compromise of a free market for the work force. raising the minimum age would serve the enlarge the monopolistic hold the n.b.a. has on its profession, and extend the commercial exploitation of the athletes by the n.c.a.a. with billions being paid for college hoops.

      • Ultimately, decisions should be made in the best interests of the players, personally and professionally, and this would have to be done on a case by case basis, though I suspect most would fall under a general category of question marks.

        And I have no confidence either the NBA or college hoops are capable of doing that.

        Put health issues aside. Looney has a limited skill set. He would benefit greatly from developing a few more years in college. The same can be said of McAdoo and das wunderkind, and I seriously doubt any other NBA team would have given HB the minutes he’s received with GSW. The result for all three may be that they are pushed into limited roles when they might have developed versatility otherwise.

        Kids get a chance to make a few million bucks, which is something they wouldn’t see otherwise, but what happens to them when they are discarded? I hate to think what would have happened to me if I had made that much at that age. What are they prepared for?

        I also happen to believe that education is not a bad thing, that the players might benefit. But, again, I’m not at all sure colleges are giving their athletes the guidance and support they need or that their degrees are that meaningful or are tailored to suit other needs and interests they might have.

        I think what I most conclude is that the scene is a mess, like many others, and I’m ready to bail out on the game.

        • “He would benefit greatly from developing a few more years in college. The same can be said of McAdoo and das wunderkind, ”

          McAdoo spent 3 years at UNC.

        • “Ultimately, decisions should be made in the best interests of the players, personally and professionally, and this would have to be done on a case by case basis”

          Have to agree, though I don’t know who’s a better authority on the matter than the players themselves. Everyone else involved has their own agenda.

          A 3-year NBA contract makes a pretty nice nest egg for college tuition, if players choose to finish their degrees.

  68. The Starters sayLooney one
    of the steals of the draft. Hope
    so. I liked Harrell a lot.

    Can’t see the Warriors paying
    Green more than $8 million
    per year. Probably will.
    Rgg:; Good points about number of
    young players coming into
    The NBA. Most played AAU ball
    which is not based on tream play.
    Theses kids do have terrific amazing
    athletic skills.

    Think Minnesota, Chicago,and Miami
    really improved’ is the draft.

  69. Put together some shooting stats for Warriors after their freshman year in college. Looney seems to fit in the middle of the pack in terms of % of taking his team’s possessions:

    Player % Tm Poss TS% School
    Stephen Curry 24.6% 62.0% Davidson
    Klay Thompson 21.1% 53.0% Washington St
    Harrison Barnes 19.0% 52.0% UNC
    Andrew Bogut 19.0% 60.0% Utah
    Kevon Looney 14.9% 53.2% UCLA
    Andre Iguodala 8.8% 46.0% Arizona
    David Lee 7.6% 58.0% Florida
    Draymond Green 4.5% 58.0% Michigan St
    Marreese Speights 4.5% 68.0% Florida

  70. Bottom line: Looney won’t contribute much in his first season. Even if he were great, where/when would he fit into the lineup? Draymond, Barnes, Iggy and Livingston are going to play in front of him.

    Like rgg, I have this thing for excellence. I just see it differently. The Ws under Jackson didn’t develop players, but under Kerr they clearly do have a program/system for it, and it works.

    Looney has a lot of natural ability. It will take effort and time to turn him into an NBA contributor. Until then, hey, the Ws are the best team in the world, no kiddin’. They can take the time, make the effort, and they clearly know how to do it. They create players who work out.

    And if it all goes sideways and Looney turns loony-toons, how hard would it be to find a kick-ass free agent who wants a title? Ans.: not very.

    I still hold out some (fading…) hope for Brandon Rush. The Ws are stuck with him for one more season (he just picked up his player option), and it’s quite possible that he could regain 90% or more of his original ability. Go, Brandon, Go!

    I also like Holiday a lot. A great defender! A few more made baskets and he’s a regular rotation guy. At this time next year I hope to see him be the Finals MVP. He’s that talented. Go Justin GO!

    So is Looney worth worrying about? Er, no, not really.

    • ++ on Justin Holiday. If he finds a consistent role, he wil be a great contributor. Holiday may get Barbosa’s minutes this year. Also as we found out, keeping Iguodala’s minutes low in regular season is key and Holiday should get his minutes in some games where he should be rested.

      Very interesting to see how warriors develop Looney and McAdoo.

      • in the first half of the season, holiday was actually ahead of barbosa in the rotation. the team however has had an ongoing issue with finding enough scoring from the reserves, and as holiday’s shooting numbers declined, barbosa’s contributions increased in value. barbosa also might have needed the first half of the season to regain his n.b.a. legs and timing. he also picked up his defense as his tenure lengthened, which also might be related to getting his legs back. he simply knows his offense and the n.b.a. game like no one else on the bench, and the team will be less fun to watch if he departs.

        whoever remains on the fringes of the bench, holiday’s modest cost and full season practicing with the team should secure him a roster spot. the decision on a reserve (not including the great lee burden) that will have the biggest effect on the roster and budget will be speight’s option.

        • Moto, I suspect coaches like Barbosa putting constant pressure on defenses with his driving inside something other swing players failed to do.

          • yes, that falls under knowing his offense and the n.b.a. game. on paper, the vets livingston and iguodala could also be getting to the rim, but their inclination and attitude isn’t the same. barbosa’s speed isn’t the sole factor. my preference would be they keep him for next season ; but if he leaves, and they lose more entertainment value for me, will probably be a benefit by motivating me for more productive things.

          • Barbosa also stepped up his defensive game this season, a big surprise to almost everyone in the league – and regained his 3-pt shooting stroke too. The guy’s a baller.

  71. Looney said he could get his hip fixed. So yeah, he has a chronic condition.

    He also said he can be 100% with a few weeks rest. For how long?

  72. cosmicballoon

    Here’s an interesting thought…Gerald Wallace and Evan Turner are both unrestricted free agents. Would you rather have either of them rather than HB?

    • cosmicballoon

      Sorry, thosr guys are UFA in 2016

    • a younger guy on an upward trajectory, not those two, would be my preference. turner was supposed to make iguodala redundant, and then bird thought he’d boost Ind’s post season chances. if you want a wing who can’t shoot well, holiday will play for much less $$. established players a level up from mr.barnes won’t come cheaply ; of course, after next June he won’t be so cheap anymore.

  73. rgg, since hoops will clearly be in a lull until the free agents and names seeking trades like boogie cousins find their next homes, in (42) you brought up r.burton and hamlet. hamlet’s density is such that it offers the auditor/viewer something different to ponder each time one listens to or sees it. have been to three live performances, which included nicol williamson and r.fiennes as the guy, and watched the olivier film but not the gielgud directing burton you cited.

    the critics pretty much all say we can’t really judge burton by his film work, and my experience of him is solely from his films. for someone who self destructed at a relatively young age, he left a huge body of work on film, motivated in part by his excessive, big spending life style. had no idea he portrayed marshal tito (with the autocrat’s approval, and probably pretty bad). very late in his career he did one historical figure he seemed well suited for in a miniseries, Wagner, but its appeal is probably limited to fans of the composer’s music like me. with my weakness for world war II material, another favorite of mine is also one of the young c.eastwood’s better films, “where eagles dare”. also in the theme of burton portraying Germans, peckinpah fans got to see the master’s action sequences set in Stalingrad in his adaptation of “Cross of Iron”, and apparently there’s a ‘foreign’ production also based on the novel (rzz would probably enjoy the book, the “losers’ version ” as it were) with burton in the lead.

    your devotion to writing however was my principal motive for bringing up burton. he was the twelfth child of a coal miner whose mother passed when he was two, leaving his upbringing to an older sister. growing up he seized on reading as his means to grow beyond his situation, finishing a book each day as a boy and youth.

    • The Burton Hamlet was, in fact, an electronic recording of the Broadway play, or of several performances edited and joined. It was then (I think) converted to film and released simultaneously throughout the country for very limited engagements. The process was called Electronovision, which sounds gimmicky and didn’t last. If you know anything more here, I’d like to know. The Broadway play was a smash hit; the film version received tepid reception throughout the rest of the country. You can still get it on DVD.

      And he is my favorite Hamlet, as I said. Hamlet is a complex and ambiguous character, who is not beyond reproach. Burton handles this well, with subtlety and force. He just has to walk on stage and you see all of it on his face.

      I don’t have close seconds, though have seen the Olivier recording. I have also seen maybe a half dozen other Hamlets, except Mel Gibson, in whom I have no interest. I was especially disappointed by Kenneth Branagh.

      Hamlet is a favorite of our blogmaster. If he’s looking on, I’d be curious to hear an opinion.

      Burton is also compelling in the film versions of Equus and Look Back in Anger, films that show his range.

      I used to go to a lot of theatre. While in France, 73-74, I saw Laurence Olivier in an indifferent play, “The Party.” I also saw Claire Bloom play Blanche DuBois in “Streetcar Named Desire,” a very fine corrective to Marlon Brandon’s version. Blanch is the main character of the play, and Bloom carries the play.

      Al Pacino is a fine stage actor—I saw him in an Off-Off B’way production of “American Buffalo,” mentioned in my other essay. And I still have strong memories of the Sheridan Square production of “Waiting for Godot,” which I saw around 1970.

    • I loved Burton in one of my favorite obscure films The Night of the Iguana, from the T. Williams play, directed by John Huston.

      Never saw his Hamlet, but as a rule, I much prefer reading the works of Edward de Vere, Earl of Oxford to watching them performed.

      • Then there’s Who’s Afraid of Virginia Woolf.

        Pick up a copy of his Hamlet, or I think Netflix has it. The sound and video are not good, but no matter. They destroyed all copies, but one survived and was used for this. This version strips the play of all the standard trappings—elaborate sets, period costumes. Instead, the stage is just a few platforms and props, as if performed backstage, and they wear rehearsal dress—i.e. modern casual. What is left are the words and actors and acting, only. The rest of the cast is quite good.

        I have a theory that it is impossible to portray the character most, or at least most males, identify with. But I didn’t get a chance to see Richard Burbage.

      • the huston film, shot in Mexico, received lots of publicity during production, because of the escapades of the cast and crew on location, like more than a few of that director’s shoots. noticed that you’ve chosen sides in the debate whether willie shakes was an aristocrat or came from more humble origins.

        my own knowledge of the play comes mostly from stage productions and reading the text ; had no idea until reviewing the archives that nearly every film version made extensive cuts, including olivier’s, which is missing fortinbras, rosencranz and guildenstern in toto, among other excisions.

      • Looney, of course, was a de Vere advocate.

    • Since we’re sitting on our hands—

      To be, or not to be, that is the question:
      Whether ’tis nobler in the mind to suffer
      The slings and arrows of outrageous fortune,
      Or to take arms against a sea of troubles
      And by opposing end them.

      I’ve often wondered about the taking arms against a sea. It would be an utterly futile gesture, since the waves are endless and cannot be affected by a thrust, so really he has no options. The line shows his troubled state of mind and/or the impossibility of his situation. But if you picture the metaphor, a man making thrusts at the sea, it looks ludicrous.

      There are other scenes on YouTube. When Burton feigns madness, he really cuts loose. His scene with Polonius, when he calls him a fishmonger, is genuinely comic. Burton has great range.

  74. Gentry’s greatness is not limited
    to having the team run, early offense
    nor fast breaking off of made baskets,
    all obviously needed, but rather
    creating the most original plays that
    as literally altered the game itself.
    With the plays now enshrined in the
    Warriors vast playbook we should see
    employed next year. We will miss
    his confining to move the game forward
    But will be able to enjoy his creativity
    in NO.

  75. Mo’ Mo—the Warriors just picked up his option.

    Which makes sense. He filled in OK at center and helped keep Livingston on the floor without Curry. And he’d make it easier to let Lee go, assuming they can trade him somewhere, of which I am doubtful.

    But you have to wonder if it means the team won’t do anything ambitious this summer. His $3.8m is still a sizable chunk of the cap. Tax looks inevitable, and they’ll need to save every buck.

    • What else can they do? I think they can only sign vet min contracts now and Looney.

      • I suppose it could work the other way around. They now have control of Speights and could use him as a trade piece in the event they (have to) keep Lee, who could fill in at 4 and 5.

        Everything depends on Lee, and I would think moving him quickly is their first priority. But even if they do move him, the cap is tight.

      • Agree. No one better than warriors rotation players can be had for vet minimum. Stay pat is the best route until trade deadline and then seek to fill any needs that might arise by then due to injuries or so.

    • for me it makes sense if they trade him later for a three point shooter, or if he plays as if it’s his contract year for two thirds of a season rather one one third. perhaps they’re confident they can find the bench scorer west has lobbied for over the past two summers and only pay a minimum contract. maybe they re-sign barbosa and consider him sufficient.

    • Speights finished the season hopelessly out of shape. I would have waited on his contract until he regained his form – in other words, showed he could play.

      • When Bogut and Ezeli were out, Speights made huge contributions and was front runner for sixthman award even if that lasted only 3 months. Even so, I think he still helped warriors win in atleast two games in playoffs, same as Lee, IMO. Speights is also a cheap and expiring contract. Signing him is huge plus even if team didn’t like him.

  76. GooseLosGatos


    Warriors go after underutilized outside shooting specialist Luke Babbit (Pelicans) in free agency this off-season….

    • Interesting. A good shooter. How’s his D?

    • GooseLosGatos


      good question & insight. Babbit’s defense is workman-like but by no means exceptional.

      Full disclosure – I wish this was my ‘original’ prediction but heard a Larry Riley interview today that basically confirmed (however subtly) that the Warriors will seek outside shooting in FA and Babbit is near or at the top of their list.

      That being said; as Gentry is their new coach I’m assuming he’ll recognize Babbit’s value & try to retain him.

  77. Welp, Holiday is gone. And for some reason they exercised their option on the Stiff Otherwise Known As Ognjen Kuzmic.

    • retaining both speights and kuzmic is explicable if they have doubts either bogut or ezeli can stay healthy for most of the season. similar to when they relied on bogut and o’neil, if both have variable availability, it’s nearly certain both will be sidelined at the same time during the long season.

      • They just won 3 straight games to win the NBA finals with 14 total minutes from Ezeli, 2 from Speights, and 3 from Bogut.

        Who will backup Kuzmic when he gets hurt? He’s had a few injuries. They may need five centers.

    • Unless they’re going to try to move Bogut? I don’t believe it, but if they move Lee as well it would free up some money to wheel and deal.

    • The other possibility, less desirable but closer to possibility, is that they took Kuzmic with thoughts of moving Ezeli. His salary isn’t much, but he’d make an attractive trade piece with Lee, and any team who took the pair would have instant front court.

      I can’t think of any reason to keep Kuzmic. It’s likely they’ll be in a tax situation, so add that to his salary.

      Bogut was pulled because he couldn’t go up against Mozgov and was hurting the team. And players like Mozgov are the major reason they brought him on. He really wasn’t that effective in the entire playoffs, but for a handful of games.


    Is there more here than meets the eye? I’m suspicious, which is nothing new for me.

    • cosmicballoon

      This is a typical negotiation technique. The Warriors are in a lose-lose situation with Draymond. If they offer him a contract, he might be offended if it’s not the max. The team has to let the market decide what Draymond’s worth is, and then match it.

      It will be interesting if a team does offer Draymond the max. Will the Warriors match it?

      • win-win situation for Draymond and warriors. Draymond will get his money either by warriors offering him max or matching any contract and warriors will get their player.

  79. It will never be this good again for Dray. So I am trying to take his self-absorbent manner in stride.

    But his performance (uncomfortably funny on the exterior) at the celebration was quite revealing, helped by Iggy’s well mannered, but illuminating, put down — it peeled back the onion layers a bit.

    Nobody likes a drunk uncle. It will get very very old and tiring at some point.

    • cosmicballoon


      Draymond’s act might wear thin pretty quickly. He is a champion, but if he’s also a nuisance a long-term contract might not be in the Warriors plans.

      • I agree, Green might be insulted by a less than max offer. I had not thought of that.

        And I’m afraid Lacob might not match a max offer, though I can’t imagine he wouldn’t.

        Green said: “They say they want me”.

        Could there be a touch of resentment, regarding how Green was treated as compared to Barnes?

        • “Could there be a touch of resentment, regarding how Green was treated as compared to Barnes?”

          huh ?? Where do you get all this ?

    • WheresMyChippy

      The dude just won the NBA championship. A 25 year old should be allowed to celebrate. Give him a break.

      I found it hilarious and endearing. Everything I saw of him at the parade made me love him a bit more. And it did not shock me.

      But.. maybe I’M just a drunk uncle…

  80. OK, Feltbot. Now what do you think about Ranadive and the Kings?–kings–john-calipari–kentucky-195614697.html

    • He’s certainly struggling to get his vision on the court. If he doesn’t put Karl in charge and allow him to deal that big fat loser in the middle, I will be forced to consider the possibility that he’s an incompetent manager.

      • Tell me that didn’t hurt.

        I have no doubt Ranadive is a sharp, original thinker, but his experience with the NBA game and players and minds is marginal. He’s not going anywhere until he gets a good mind in charge and gives him full rein.

        Malone worked well with Cousins, no? Since he’s committed to Cousins, he should have stuck with him.

      • And of course Calipari denies any interest. Why would he give up the schtick he has? Unless he had assurance he would soon be head coach with FO power.

      • cosmicballoon

        $10 million/plus per year? That is ludicrous for any coach, let alone a rookie head coach. Calipari is not Kerr (and his NBA championship pedigree). If Ranadive and Co don’t understand that, too bad for them.

  81. GooseLosGatos

    Vivek rumored to have interest in Calipari as well as bringing in the Warriors Ast. GM Travis Schlink.

    Let the ‘Revolution’ begin FB!!!!!

  82. Zach Lowe looks at the bidding wars to come this season and the next few:

    Expect chaos.

    #4 looks most relevant to the Warriors. Teams with cap space might overpay for any player who looks good and might last a while, that they might be able to lock up for several years now, simply because he will be cheap compared to what he might draw the following seasons when the cap soars and the bidding wars explode.

    Which means there might not be any affordable midrange players for the Warriors. And now may be the best time to go after such players, but they are in poor position to do so. Nor do they have any players they might want to lock up themselves, even if it means tax the coming season, other than Green, of course.

    Except Barnes. If he has perceived value elsewhere, or if the Warriors think he will have perceived value elsewhere, they may want to renegotiate his contract now so they can keep him before the bidding wars start in earnest.

    Please understand I am talking about perceived values, perceptions of perceptions, and am looking through the eyes of our beloved FO.

    Note #5, about how teams might start devaluing nonscoring centers, thanks to the Warriors’ success this year. Which makes us wonder:

    1. Why our beloved FO is stocking up on nonscoring centers (except Speights).

    2. Whether Lee might not have value to other teams as a flexible, scoring 4-5. And maybe they would want to lock him up a few year after that at a possibly affordable contract, when they have money to spend?

    Assuming he has more years in him. We know nothing here, but his string of surgeries and injuries this year throw that into serious doubt. Odds are good teams will look at younger such players, with a more definite future.

    • cosmicballoon

      Nonscoring centers are valuable pieces. The Warriors regular season success is greatly due to Bogut’s defensive dominance. As has been detailed here and everywhere, the Warriors funneled drivers into Bogut all season long. This defensive strategy saved Curry’s bacon many times.

      The playoffs were a different story. And so be it. Draymond and undersized centers cannot take the pounding of the 82 game season, nor should they. Smallball should be unleashed in spurts, not for marathons. The Warriors are a prime example of this.

  83. This is what I think is going on in Sacramento behind the scenes: Cousins and his people probably never wanted to be in Sacramento, and have decided that now is the time to get him out of town, and onto the Lakers. They are agitating like hell, and there is literally nothing that Karl or Vivek can do about it, except try to control the process.

    The problem for the Kings is that Vivek has obviously panicked, and lost control of the process. I have always thought that he actually wanted to trade Cousins, but on his own timetable, and with maximum leverage. Now Cousins is flushing that timetable down the toilet, and Vivek is floundering.

    I don’t trust any of the news stories. This is the point in the game where are all the parties are leaking damaging stories to try to gain leverage. The bottom line is that Cousins wants out, and wants out now, to the Lakers. And while Vivek is looking very foolish in the process, these sorts of situations are never pretty. Webber on the Warriors, Shaq and Howard on the Magic, and Lakers, LeBron in Cleveland, etc.

    Also something to keep in mind: Vivek didn’t inherit Curry, Lee and the Monta trade asset, in the Bay Area. He inherited a pile of crap headlined by an immature and egotistical perennial loser, in the town where no one wants to come. And it’s year 2. Isn’t that the year that Joe Lacob hired Mark Jackson, and tanked for a 50% chance at Harrison Barnes?

    • I just don’t buy it. AW has good sources and does his homework. They have explored ways to oust Karl without losing money and must have put out feelers to bring Calipari on board, with promise of head coaching down the road soon. And Calipari refused, but the media caught wind of the efforts.

      This characterization might best fit Ranadive:

      “As one league official familiar with Ranadive’s mindset told Yahoo Sports, ‘He’s trying to find a magic button to push that’ll fix everything.'”

      From AW’s piece I linked above.

      The Webber comparison is ominous. I wouldn’t be surprised if they end up without Karl and Cousins. And have to start from scratch once again.

      Not denying the luck of the current owner, GSW, of course.

    • felt, exactly how I feel about Kings. They seriously lack talent to do anything and they can’t build talent over night. If they could, they should trade Rudy Gay for couple of role players, some NBA talent. If Cousins is gone, it may not be the worst thing for Kings.

    • GooseLosGatos

      Feltbot will never give Lacob the true credit he deserves. It’s not cool or sexy to praise owners but this guy (Lacob) made a lot of ‘right moves’ irrespective of the fact he’s a ‘self-made’ (research his story before commenting please) Venture Capitalist (which FB hates)….

      Of course, if the ‘brilliant’ Viveck had bought the Warriors we’d have won the Championship this year as well….. LOL

      • GooseLosGatos


        I’m already wagering Vlade and Karl will be GM and Coach of the Year in 2016.

        That Vivek is a damn genius……..

  84. moto (above)—

    David Brooks takes on the Confederate flag and preserving the memory of Gen’l Rob’t Lee in public places here:

    in the NY Times.

    I like Brooks. I’ve been reading him for decades, off and on.

  85. Nigeria responds to Iguodala’s MVP award:

    A few comments:

    Thank God he is neither Igbo nor Yoruba.
    No chest beating, no ass biting.

    Festus Ezeli, a FULL Nigerian is on the same team. The way both the bloggers and the OP are forgetting that dude is sad. Stop posting half-baked news here, even the Mod that put it on FP sef, una no dey read news? Seun you gats get better mods here. No be anyhow gist dem go dey post

    The rest of the conversation is entertaining.

  86. @86, the Ws are reported to be pursuing Bellinelli. Not a bad replacement for Holiday. Worse D, but better shooting and court vision.

    • cosmicballoon

      Belli is the kind of player who is just good enough to play minutes as a reserve, but just bad enough to miss important shots. I’m not really a fan of adding him back the squad. Why would the Spurs let him walk if he were an actual asset?

  87. New thread, bitte.

  88. Some rumblings in Portland. Batum is gone. Aldridge obviously gone. Afflalo probably gone. Matthews is maybe gone. They’ve added Henderson, Ma. Plumlee, Vonleh, and Aminu. National media thinks Portland is rebuilding, but I think this is a better team.

    Henderson is a non-shooter but never had a backcourt mate command serious defensive attention to free himself up. He does now. Aminu is a slight upgrade over Batum, as he is a marginally worse 3-point shooter but a much more versatile defender. Vonleh didn’t get much playing time but has potential. And with Aldridge gone, Stotts might have the guys run more pick-and-roll with Plumlee. What do you guys think?

    • they don’t appear to be a better team to me without matthews, one of the best two way wings in the west. they still have room under the cap to find a scorer who can create his own shot when the offense stalls, which is what they’re losing in aldridge.

    • They’re finished. Do they actually plan on playing Aminu?

      They let Dame Lilliard totally destroy their franchise, and now they’ll reap the whirlwind.

      • Hear, hear.

        Portland as we knew them in the last 3 years is done playing that way. Based on his contract, it’s Lillard’s team now, not Aldridge’s.

        But they do have some nice pieces, I think Myers Leonard is going to be completely AWESOME, and without Aldridge they have a lot more offensive and defensive flexibility. So maybe a step back. OK, probably a step back. But they’re moving in the right direction if they ever want to beat the World Champs.

    • In the West? I love Terry Stotts, but 35 wins tops.

  89. Tweeted by Chris Broussard:

    As reported last week, Indy targets Monta Ellis. Sources say sides to meet today in Indy. Larry Bird loves Ellis-PGeorge perimeter combo.

    • Happy to see Ellis get some respect, by two major teams now. You have to wonder who else he might have brought to the Warriors way back when had they used him in trades for players other than Bogut.

      • disposing ellis for bogut was not as history altering as mullin’s decision to draft the tar heel with the plastic shoulder rather than noah.

    • Ellis would be a nice addition to Indiana.

      All the best, Monta.

  90. Cousins and Aldridge sign with the Lakers? Who plays center? Oh, I forgot, Aldridge is a power forward.

    • Phx in negotiations with aldridge, with the recently signed chandler as part of the recruiting team. almost like a silent sales pitch, we won’t demand the same level of defense from you that popovich surely will.

      • Yeah, and maybe Pop insists Aldridge play substantial center minutes now that Splitter is traded.

        I can’t see Pop wanting Aldridge.

  91. Kyle Singler’s contract, 5 yrs. $25m, and Danny Green’s, 4 years $45m, give us a sense of how midrange contracts will shake out this summer. Maybe Green is more than midrange. I like him and hope he hasn’t peaked. I like Singler, too, but he hasn’t shown much yet. See Lowe’s piece linked @91.

    Also happy to hear our Green isn’t settling quietly.

    • d’mond and armstrong should look at butler’s deal from Chi or love’s from Cle as their benchmarks. Cle would actually find it easier to replace love at his $$ than Chi could for butler, who does more for them, with rose’s variable contributions, than thompson in GS.

    • Add Brandon Wright, 3 yrs. $18m with the Grizz. Maintenance will be expensive this year.

    • I think Draymond wants a 2+1 deal ala Parsons. Understandably, GSW hesitant to give him that. But they will have to eventually.

      • espn’s shelborne described disappointment from the green side bringing a halt to their negotiations, that GS wasn’t making offers to what other players (possibly including his teammate thompson) were getting.

      • Dray would be foolish not to hold out for a 5 year deal. His value will never be higher than it is right now.

        Pretty clear the Warriors have a strategy of matching the highest offer he gets. Now it’s on Dray and his agent BJ Armstrong to lure some suckers to the table.

        • word was, der kommissar silver was considered slapping a reprimand on lacob for being loud and obvious about their intentions to match any offer. once aldridge is signed, the market will change again in green’s favor.

        • Ordinarily I’d agree with you, but because players’ salaries are about to explode, right now it’s not a slam-dunk decision to go for a lengthy contract.

          The best possible contract for Dray would be for 5 years, with a player option after 2. That’s not possible under the current CBA, so it’s a toss-up whether he’ll go short or long. I’m guessing short if he can get it. I’m also guessing that public drunkenness didn’t win him a sure-thing long-term commitment from management. So Dray will probably end up with 2 years guaranteed.

          • most of the younger or mid career free agents are getting four or five year deals. word was, some agents were cautioning their players about the risk of a lock out in the summer of ’17. the second big bump in the salary cap is due to arrive then, which otherwise would make two year deals now quite attractive. with a lockout however, players without a contract would be stuck, knowing a partial season like the last lock out remains in play.

    • Now add Shumpert to the mix—4 years, $40m. Man oh man. I saw a SI Mannix tweet somewhere that Lee’s contract might look affordable the way things are shaking down.

  92. Memphis signing B. Wright for
    $6 million per year a steal. Shooting
    65 percent from field a rare commodity.

  93. GooseLosGatos

    Can’t believe the contracts some of these guys are getting……

    Shumpert for 4 years at 40 Mil….


  94. I like the Shumpert contract for Cleveland, about $1m/yr less than Danny Green got from the Spurs.

    Shumpert is one of the best and most versatile defenders in the league. Just look at what he did to Klay in the finals, playing with one arm.

    Worth bearing in mind that the player we saw in the Finals was nothing close to healthy, playing through both shoulder and groin injuries.

    • He’s probably a good indicator of what a player of this quality will cost now. Lowe’s speculation, again, was that teams will try to lock up such players in long contracts, overpaying them, because in a few years these salaries will look cheap. Which leads to, again—


      How much the Warriors will pay Barnes and for how long. I’ve read speculation they want to renegotiate his contract for the same reason. Surely something similar.

      • GooseLosGatos

        Anybody have any thoughts on Kristaps Porzingas?

        I like Phil as a talent evaluator so I’m curious how he’ll pan out irrespective of the Euro Bust label…..

        • I watched his draft express video is all. He looked real quick, great hops, can shoot, and what, 7′-1″? I think he’ll be a star.

    • Warriors could simply leave Shumpert and three other Cavs open to guard Lebron. Green woulda killed with those open looks. Good defender but need to hit enough to stay on the floor.

  95. FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

    It is official Draymond Green is resigning with the Warriors for 5 years and $85 million.

    • GooseLosGatos

      Being reported at 80 mil but either way seems like a great deal as it’s being reported there are no opt-outs as the new CBA will be drastically increasing the salary cap.

    • Fuck, he’s quitting?

      • a misspelling so common that most brains don’t even register it as such, in part because of the conventional pairing with specific prepositions with either the ‘res’ or ‘re-s’ prefixes, ‘from’ vs. ‘with’, respectively.

    • For $85M, Draymond will have to take whatever the physical punishment. Hope his body holds up to the extent he can continue to perform at last seasons functions and level for another 5 years.

  96. GooseLosGatos

    Kings just gave away Stauskis to the Sixers. First Thomas Robinson (who will improve) and now Stauskis who I think will have a long career.

    Am I missing something about Vivek’s brilliance???

    • Wan’t he the guy Malone wouldn’t play, one of the reasons he got fired?

      • GooseLosGatos

        Stauskis was drafted just last year and Karl had him in the rotation at the end of the season. He’s only twenty, hasn’t filled out but by all accounts despite a rough first season has great shooting form, high BB IQ and Larry Riley had him highly rated in last years draft.

        Either the Kings can’t evaluate talent or they give up on guys way too early. How you give up on a 20 year old #8 pick after 13 months is beyond me – to clear cap space BTW. In Robinson’s case they dispatched him after 4 months in the league. Let the Vivek revolution begin!!!!!

    • GooseLosGatos


      Robinson #4 Pick

      Stauskis #8 Pick

      • ranadive replaced the brains behind the recent draft picks and deals, whether it was d’allesandro, mullin, or malone involved. he’s at ground zero again with divac and karl.

    • Apparently they’re clearing cap space for Rondo?

      Cousins, Rondo, Karl stuck with those two—takes your breath away doesn’t it? I predict an about face from our boss.

      • GooseLosGatos


        I wouldn’t hold your breath on that one.

      • GooseLosGatos

        BTW Rgg,

        this Kings team is becoming earily similar to the Isiah Knicks – overpriced guys who aren’t team players and will have extremely difficult to move contracts at some point with the ‘team cancer’ label attached to them.

        • GooseLosGatos

          I don’t dispute Vivek is a smart guy – he’s a self-made Billionaire which is much harder than being a VC in my opinion (throwing you a bone here FB). However, his business acumen has not translated into the sports management field where as Lacob was able to make that transition…..

      • the rumours say that rondo will only be offered a one year contract from Sac. karl will need some veteran hands on board for the reconstruction phase, and the market for the better lead guards with experience is highly competitive. one reason livingston was signed last summer, which they won’t admit, he was in high demand.

  97. Hmmm…could have sworn I read in the comments before the season that management was too cheap or too stupid to pay Draymond.

    • Lacob offered $70M. Green and Armsrtong cut off negotiations at that point. What forced Lacob’s hand is what Tristan Thompson and others got. It was market forces got Green $85M, not Lacob’s smarts or generosity.

      • we should thank marcus thompson II, that he hasn’t gone completely soft-sell with lacob as many in the media have done ; he was the only source for the low-ball initial offers at the negotiating counter. marcus t. also took the contrarian position on lee, raising the possible positive outcomes from keeping him another season.

      • You don’t actually believe they valued Draymond at not a penny more than 70 million, right? You know about terms like “negotiation” and “leverage” and how they relate to Draymond’s status as a restricted free agent, correct?

        You all are very lucky to have this bubble of a blog where your views are never challenged as long as they support an overarching narrative. Reminds me of (the comment section, not Feltbot’s work).

        • LaCob is not bad guy, not by any means. I like and respect the guy, from his interviews. I’m just stating what actually happened. If you’re a LaCob fan, that’s OK.

          • You can play dumb like all you were doing was stating that Draymond’s final number was catalyzed by Thompson’s contract (which is true). But given the context that you were directly replying to my statement about management being too cheap/stupid, it’s pretty hard not to think you’re implying that the FO idiotically undervalued Draymond by opening with 70 million and the market taught them something they didn’t know. There’s not a chance in hell the front office thought Dray was only worth 5 years and 70 million. But as they understand, it’s not about what you are worth it’s about what you have the leverage to negotiate. The fact that people here need to warp a standard negotiation process into a criticism of the front office is absurd.

            I’m not a huge fan of Lacob. Hate that he’s moving the team. I don’t let that get in my way of evaluating his outstanding performance as the owner of the Warriors.

          • Maybe I’m used to the tone around here, but I can’t find any real criticism of Lacob needing you to rush to his defense, Jerry.

            Try reading the LA sports press. Even the pro writers alternate between fawning and knifing, and the comments sections are pure flame wars.

          • Green is comparatively worth $82M over 5 years, mostly due to market forces. IMO, the market for NBA players is bananas, a bubble.

            From what I read, the Warriors could have gone up to $93M on a 5 year contract for Green, and another team could have offered Green $69M on a 4 year contract. These numbers show the Warriors were successful reducing the maximum via negotiations from $17.25M/season to $16.4M/season, a savings of almost $5M to the Warriors.

    • +1. The other narrative by many here is how somehow Barnes impending free agency which is not even in the same year would factor into signing Green and how Lacob and co prefer Barnes over Green.

  98. Don’t think Stauskis a good player. A three-
    point shooter whose sub-par and possessing
    no other gifts.

  99. another Balkan big will probably be playing in the west. Den likely to sign Nikola Jokic, standing reach of 9’3 who shot .34 of his 3’s. Den would welcome a revival under malone and we’ll see how far Dal or Por or Phx will fall.

  100. I’ve been on an NBA news fast but the Aminu signing makes Caitlynn Jenner look halfway appealing. If the Warriors inked this deal I wouldn’t be happy. I don’t care how good his D supposedly is. The blazers are full on rebuilding now
    Kyle Singer for 25 million was also a head scratcher for me. That actually makes me feel SLivs deal was a steal. And Shumpert at 10 mill a year? Playing with LeBron really raises a guys value. He was more of a 2-3 million a yr player with the Knicks. He’s got an oddly passive offensive game
    Greg Monroe’s a decent player. Imagine him on the Warriors. But Steph and crew make other guys look good, like Bron
    Makes you wonder what the Falcon thinks he’s worth. Maybe he’ll price himself out of town :)

    Looney looks like he’s got a little Durant in him. I like this pick at 30.

    Your ordinary shlub can go apply for employment with the organization of his choice. Why can’t a BBall player? Just bypass the draft, and show up at the training facility for a try out and interview. I realize the ruling cabal wouldn’t look upon this favorably, but I’m kinda surprised this hasn’t been challenged yet.

    • we discussed this a bit up in (76). apparently, you skipped reading the boring chapters in pro sports history about challenges to the ‘reserve clause’ (the term traditionally applied, as in rights to a player’s services reserved exclusively to one team entity). the biggest legal challenges to the system in modern times (the precedents cited usually included the Dred Scott decision et. al.) are associated with curt flood in beisbol (traded from st.l, he refused to go to the other team and asserted his right to choose his workplace) and later messerschmidt, a pitcher with the same surname as the aviation designer/engineer. free agency before those legal cases was like the sanity clause in the marx bros film. in hoops, the watershed lawsuit was associated with oscar robinson, though none other than rick barry did even more of the heavy lifting, without being credited for it.

      reduced to simplest terms, the legal system doesn’t like dictating to private enterprise (our equivalent of the church in the middle ages), but had to concede that no free agency at all was the same as indentured servitude. thus the compromised systems of free agency eventually gained by players after a period of service to masters who have exclusive rights over them.

      the robertson case represents the most significant legacy of the rival hoops league, the a.b.a., other than providing the n.b.a. an opportunity to expand to Ind, SA, NJ, Den. robertson testified in court that having a competing major league was the only way the players’ compensation would be part of a free market system. the legal system considered their decision a compromise, but the result favored the n.b.a. in two major aspects — the a.b.a. dissolved into oblivion (none of its records or results are part of the official n.b.a. book), and numerous limits and restrictions on free agency, principal among them the draft as you noted.

  101. After reviewing the draft and free agency, I don’t see any major shifts of power. Because everyone loves premature predictions, I’m gonna list the likely 8 WC playoff teams for next season, in rough but basic order

    LA – Paul Pierce. Yawn.
    The Gentry crew
    Utahs my blind dart toss. There’s as good a venture as the rest

    I don’t think it matters where Aldridge signs. It won’t make any major changes to the pecking order. If Jordan bails on the clips that will hurt them a bit, however

    Cleveland’s atop the East. Way atop
    DLee is a valuable card to be holding. I hope the team plays him wisely and doesn’t just give him away to save a few bux

    • to answer your previous question directly, why players don’t decline entry into the draft pool, and then negotiate and try out for teams as free agents : the teams have a monopoly on the roster spots in the n.b.a., which is why anti-trust legalities almost always get involved in the court cases. the teams want to have the exclusive rights on players that the draft gives them, and just as important, the fixed rookie contract scale. they’ll almost always pay the rookie free agents less than the drafted ones, to maintain the incentive for the players to enter the draft.

      some overseas players drafted or not can have an advantage as far as their n.b.a. rookie pay if they’ve established a level of compensation with a euro team. that is partly why NN and kuzmic were given rookie deals immediately after getting drafted, rather than letting them develop overseas. if they were as good as their hype and became well paid abroad, they would become more expensive to buy out their euro team contracts and to induce them to play for n.b.a. pay.

    • Do you include the Mavs, now that they lost Chandler and Ellis and signed Matthews and DAJordan? (Aldridge will now sign with the Mavs, knowing Jordan and not his prissyness will play center.)

    • “Curry would have been one of those assets.”

      Highly unlikely.

  102. “Chasson Randle, Stanford’s all-time leading scorer, and David Kravish, Cal’s all-time leader in blocked shots, have agreed to play on the Warriors’ summer-league team in Las Vegas.”

    Don’t know Kravish, but Randle was a good no-draft acquisition. “Only” 6’1″, but quick, great handle, decent shooter, decent D, solid citizen, confident guy. If he can adapt to the NBA 3-pt line, he’s an NBA player. A good under-the-radar get by Myers.

    • SA still in its own league in the vegas summer league : russian olympic star becky hammon to become the first woman head coach for an n.b.a. summer team. a great way for some of the neophyte professionals to be initiated.

  103. Speaking of owners—

    Has Ballmer done anything than sponsor a logo and unis no one likes, pick up Pierce, and watch Jordan go? I haven’t kept up and don’t know their cap picture, but with their big three and a few fresh faces the Clippers would still be contenders.

    • With two players (Blake and CP3) taking up $40M in salary it’s tough to maneuver.

      • It’s been explained on ESPN and Yahoo. Apparently they offered him all they could. And apparently they didn’t have a plan B?

        • The team environment in LA (both teams) is toxic. Can’t blame Jordan for wanting another start elsewhere.

    • Maui Nellie

      And continuing to speak still more of owners: “Shrewd contract decisions keep Warriors competitive”

      So, does this credit go to GM Lacob or GM Myers?

      • Maui Nellie

        And then there’s that owner in Sactown (aka Dysfunction Junction)

      • Just think where the franchise would have been had they gone after Melo:

        -Q: Can you get involved in the Carmelo Anthony deal?

        -LACOB: We’ve had discussions with Denver. And I think it’s possible.

        -Q: You think you could put together a deal that would satisfy Denver, though?

        -LACOB: I don’t know for a fact if that’s true. They’re not clear. But we certainly… let’s put it this way, we think we have better assets to go after someone like him, that caliber, than most of the teams out there that are being talked about.

        -Q: Including the team he wants to go to…

        -LACOB: I think so.

        -Q: That’s a major deal to be discussing. That’s four or five of your best guys. That’s a lot. Could you do this for another player or is he the only one?

        -LACOB: I think there are a few players out there of the caliber that would be transformative for the franchise. And if we have a chance to make a move to transform the franchise to another level of success, we’ll do it.

        Curry would have been one of those assets.

        • “Curry would have been one of those assets.”

          HIGHLY unlikely.

        • at that time, lacob and underlings facing off with ujiri and karl at the trade counter was as much a mismatch as the preacher going against popovich.

          lacob’s pursuit of howard and love told us plenty about his fondness for glittery surfaces.

          • Comparisons among owners are being made, and this came to mind. Bad decisions can derail an organization, and just imagine if the Warriors had picked up Carmelo. In this same interview, Ellis is highly rated and Lacob is clear he’d trade either one. Curry’s lesser contract may have saved the day and Melo wasn’t available.

            I’m just not interested in owners, but in basketball, unless the owner gets involved or embarrasses us in some way. Lacob has been involved and has revealed his understanding that has carried up until this season: build a team around stars, hire an agent as GM to haul them in, and move the team to a glamorous city to attract them. And their idea of the game, with West’s help was to go big and play an inside out game with the guards based on a dominant center. Strategic thinking, however, was not a priority until this season. I don’t think Rondo was ever available, but he better fit the mold of the way they saw a point guard and may have been desired.

            Instead, the Warriors’ success has depended on three under the radar players: Curry, Thompson, and Green. No one knew what they had with Curry. It’s impossible to imagine the team’s success without him. Tell me Myers saw Green playing starting 4 and even center when he drafted him.

            I do fell fortunate, however, these players have remained and we found coaches who knew how to use them.

            To some—I see the Predator has joined us—it’s important to give them credit. I’m not interested in credit, either, but in minds, abilities, and performance. But sure, give them credit. Lay palm leaves at their feet. Light a picture at their altar. I know the focus and desire here. Again, it just doesn’t interest me.

          • Last par.—i.e. give the owners credit first and foremost.

        • Maui Nellie

          Sustained success in business/pro sports always starts at the top, if you don’t have hard working, bright, and innovative minds in management the chances of any success that will stand the test of time is very small, if not completely impossible. The Warriors have hard working, bright, and innovative minds leading the way and as a result this franchise has never been “healthier” nor better prepared to respond to the future challenges of an ever changing NBA, both on and off the court.

          When Joe Lacob first bought the Warriors he was like a kid in a candy store, exuberant and full of bold and ambitious ideas and goals, which included turning GSW into a championship caliber team within 5 years. Ask LeBron how all that turned out.

          Yes, mistakes were made but you can’t win the lottery if you don’t buy a ticket. The Dubs tried to sign Tyson Chandler but at that time the Knicks weren’t Sacramento East and the Warriors were just another struggling team in the West = easy choice for Chandler. Today? He’d be here in the proverbial NY minute.

          The Warriors also signed DeAndre Jordan to a 4 yr $43 million offer sheet which was matched by the Clippers. Would the Warriors have been in good shape these last 4 years with Jordan as their center?

          The point is that although the Warriors were rebuffed on a number of their early attempts to improve the team their thinking and evaluation process was neither way off the mark nor misguided. They were headed in the right direction, they just needed to continue to make sound decisions while following their general gameplan. They also needed to get lucky at the right times.

          How important is “luck” when it comes to building championship teams and great franchises? It might not be everything but it’s damn close. How lucky were the Boston Celtics of the ’80’s to have the poor, incompetent Warriors (management) around to wheel and deal with?

          “Heading into the 1980 NBA draft, the Boston Celtics (who already had small forward Larry Bird ready to start his second NBA season) held the number one overall pick. In a pre-draft trade, Celtics President Red Auerbach dealt the top pick and an additional first-round pick to the Warriors for Parish and the Warriors’ first-round pick, the third overall. With that pick, the Celtics chose Kevin McHale. The Warriors then selected Joe Barry Carroll with the first pick, whose career eventually was shortened by injuries, and whose perceived laziness earned him the moniker “Joe Barely Cares”.

          The Celtics now had an imposing frontcourt consisting of Bird, Parish, Cedric Maxwell, and McHale. Parish compared his transition from Golden State to Boston in a televised quote where he jokingly said it was like going from an outhouse to a penthouse. Playing 14 years with the Celtics from 1980 to 1994, Parish won three NBA titles (1981, 1984 and 1986) teaming with Bird and power forward McHale. Parish, Bird and McHale came to be known as “The Big Three”. All three were named by the NBA to the NBA’s 50th Anniversary All-Time Team and are regarded as one of the greatest frontcourts in NBA history.”

          And how lucky were the Spurs to have fallen into the lottery back in 1997 when Tim Duncan was coming out of college? If they don’t “luck-into” the #1 pick how many NBA title trophies do they have today? BTW, here’s another “what if?” angle from that very draft in regards the Spurs, Duncan, and Popovich.

          Yes, you better work hard, you better be smart, you better be innovative, and you better be talented, but maybe more than any other factor, you’d better be lucky if you want to win championships. If there’s anything to the thought that you make a great degree of your own luck then that’s just one more notch in the belt of the Joe Lacob-led ownership group circa 2015. Yes, I DO care about the owners.

          BTW, did I mention it’s great being a fan of the NBA champion Golden State Warriors?

          • Thanks for you response, Maui, measured and thoughtful as your other comments. But for me it always begins and ends on the court and you hope the guys at the top don’t screw up.

            Put Lacob aside and think about other owners. I can’t think of many other fields where people with so little experience and knowledge can take control.

            Except politics, of course.

          • The Ws WOULD have been in good shape with Jordan at C. He’s a terrific rim protector and completely unstoppable in motion to the hoop on O. Also far more consistently available than Bogut, more mobile, younger, more athletic, and uninjured.

            For that matter, the Ws could have made Howard work, and K. Love would have been no worse than a mixed blessing if the team could have held onto Thompson. He’d certainly have contributed more than Lee did this year (no fault of Lee’s, but true nevertheless. Love would have gotten more PT).

          • hat, maybe one of howard’s hobbies escaped your notice. some guys with too much discretionary income collect vintage motorcycles, or cars, or have their own private jet. howard collects firearms including artillery pieces. in the great state of Tejas there are even places he can fire them up and blow up stuff. just a much better fit for him down there.

  104. Drats, the Blazers signed Ed Davis, good move.

    If DLee is traded or bought out, that leaves Barnes as the back-up 4, which worked well this past season.

    That means Green, Barnes, Livingston, and Iguodala are due to share a lot of minutes next season.

  105. Hard truths. Hope management realizes
    the Warriors were lucky to meet two
    depleted teams to become NBA
    champions. Not sure they do. Paid
    way too much got Green.

    • There you go worrying about Lacob’s wallet again.

      The Ws gave Dray a “max level” contract, but not a “max contract” tied to team revenue. They paid the going rate for a guy making his contribution. Don’t you think he’s better than Tristan Thompson? Everyone else does. He was paid accordingly, not overpaid. Over the next 2 years his contract will look more and more like a bargain.

    • Reggie Jackson just got 5 years, $80M. And you’re talking about Draymond’s contract?

      • cosmicballoon

        +1, EZ.

        That said, Reggie put up some very solid numbers after the trade. He might be a fantasy sleeper heading into next season (If you are inclined to play fantasy hoops, of course).

        • Not sure, Reggie Jackson and Josh Smith are different players in that both are selfish, shoot first and think later kind of players. You paid money to get rid of one and then paid money to keep another.

          This move is going to come back to haunt SVG, might even get fired if this doesn’t work out. He had three bigs to start last year, and left with one while losing two of them for nothing. I think SVG will be fired next summer unless team shows lot of improvement.

    • Warriors beat depleted teams, so what ? I would say warriors beat every team depleted or not.

      But there is a lesson there, for warriors team staying healthy again may be good enough to win another ring, something other teams failed to do so, i.e. staying healthy and becoming depleted.

  106. With O’Quinn going to the Knicks and Hibbert to the Lakers, I guess chances of Lee going to either have gone. And I assume the team won’t and can’t do anything significant until Lee is moved, unless they move another player, highly unlikely.

    This author reviews six possible destinations for Lee:

    The first paragraph is completely off. He merely repeats received bias:

    “but his ball-dominating play in the post and lackluster defense won’t fly in the Warriors’ system that emphasizes movement and versatility”

    He is only looking at the way Kerr played Lee this past season, not previous seasons. “Ball-dominating play”—it was Kerr who stuck him in the post without options. There’s plenty of evidence before about how he could run with the team.

    But you have to wonder what the other teams believe about Lee now.

  107. moto @112

    Speaking of the subject of arms, the military, and our culture, I just ran across this today:

    I know the author. I’m sure she’d appreciated a comment from you if you are so disposed.

    • thank you rgg. enjoyed reading it, she covered a spread of notions and topics, stayed coherent, minimal rhetoric. will send her a comment when enough brain cells align to push me over the activation threshold.

    • I think her discussion of exhilaration is a more accurate description of American behavior than “fun”. And “fun”, as she points out, is a particularly American word. I don’t relate to “fun”. I fully relate to exhilaration. Driving a high torque producing, light car, like a 2014-2015 Corvette Stingray, is for me an exhilarating experience.

      Another more suitable concept is socialability. I think successful social interaction is what is really meant by “fun”.

      • Marc our so-called common tongue english is an amalgam of many languages (mostly but not exclusively Indo-aryan), and you have chosen a benign, optimistic application of ‘fun’. to your credit, and maybe an indication of an underlying optimism. acc. to Oxford, however, the word is frequently used in the context of amusement at another’s expense, as in ‘poke fun’. when young lads torture smaller organisms, which of course can be a symptom of sociopathy, they’d say they were having fun, or amusing themselves.

        what you describe as exhilaration could be called ‘rapture’, feelings sometimes associated with sex or intoxicants of the stimulant sort. the behaviorists might not draw a hard line between the various stimuli or experiences that trigger pleasure in an organism’s brain — if certain parts of that soft, nerve suffused tissue get the microvolts, the macro-organism feels pleasure (anthony burgess, “A Clockwork Orange”). the underlying menace to the killing games is (at least) two fold : the commingling of thanatos and eros, and the presumption than the operant of the gaming device can maintain the distinction between video images and the real organic beings those images are modeled from. many paths lead to objectifying fellow creatures to our ego’s needs, dehumanizing our fellow humanoids.

    • “she’d appreciate”

      That war has become a video game has been noted in many places, what with our technology and means of surveillance. I must confess I question the sensitivity of those who criticize video games and I know I would have been hooked on CoD when I was younger. But the numbers are staggering. There can’t be any question that games are rewiring us, and the virtual battlefields provide many with their greatest exposure to the world, its present, past, and future. Less than three weeks after Black Ops, one version of Call of Duty, was released, the kill count exceeded 6.9 billion, or the population of the world.

      “An amazing 138 billion shots have been fired in the game, and a disturbing — or successful, depending on your point of view — 561 million have been instant-killing headshots. About 51 million headshots have been delivered execution-style, while a player was alive but lying wounded.

      “And if all that isn’t impressive enough, consider this: gamers have cumulatively spent more than 8,000 years playing ‘Call of Duty: Black Ops’ online.”

      And it’s not just kids. Adults play as well. Frank Underwood, in one episode of House of Cards, plays obsessively.

      moto’s comment above and running across Diane’s piece got me started, and I watched American Sniper a few days ago.

      • Interestingly, Clint Eastwood said he made American Sniper as an anti-war film. That has obviously been misconstrued by many.

        Thanks for the interesting stats re CoD, rgg!

        As a once-upon-a-time Atari employee, my job for a few months was to play, and then spec, video games for transfer to different media. They’d wheel arcade machines into my cubicle, I’d master them, and then detail the the various levels of play for replication in different systems. To this day I remain the world’s foremost authority on Dig Dug and several other then-popular games.

        I learned a few things about video games in general, not just the specifics of game play. Foremost, video games are isolating. Antisocial. That’s especially true for FPS (first person shooter) games. Every minute spent blasting a [fill-in-the-blank] is time not spent on the intricacies of social interaction. You can absolutely master a game while remaining a loser in real life. In fact, it’s almost guaranteed.

        Secondly, FPS games in particular absolutely do change your world view. Blast away for 8 hours, then go home and try to chat over dinner. You reflexively leap for the butter before anyone else can acquire the asset. It’s… disorienting.

        Thirdly, games are designed to compel more play. And today’s games are very involving and compulsive. They’re addictive. We have all known that for over 30 years.

        I have absolutely no doubt that Dylann Roof played video games. That’s not to say that I think video games should be regulated, or game play should be restricted, but that Roof’s friends/family/associates abandoned him – surely with his own insistence – to a thought-free, morals-free fantasy world in which human beings must be categorized as either scenery or targets. In Roof’s case, the functional result was a psychopath.

        And yes, today’s wars are fought as video games. Psychopathic, sociopathic, deadly. Free of any value except kill ratio. A general’s dream, but not what any sane person wants for a neighbor.

        Most of my friends and family play FPS games. I can’t. Most of my friends and family love the violence and danger of football. I hate it.

        Playing video games for a living, all those years ago, must have ruined me for the (un)real world of today.

  108. GooseLosGatos

    After the Spurs signing of Aldridge & West we’ll see what this Warriors team is truly made of next year.

    My money is not on the Warriors……

    • cosmicballoon

      Two non-three point shooters. In fact, both these guys like to shoot long jumpers. We’ll see if the Spurs offense is as potent as years past.

      • Aldridge shot > 100 3pta last season. It was his first relatively high volume 3pt shooting season.

        He’s only going to take more, right?

      • GooseLosGatos

        The inside game isn’t dead – the league goes through all kinds of shifts and changes.

      • west’s low post skills will be very compatible for the SA offense ; he’s probably a more suitable stand in for duncan than splitter was. they use less low post stuff when diaw plays center and obviously retain that option.

    • I suppose Pop figures he can change LMA. Good luck Pop.

  109. “Sources said the Cleveland Cavaliers, Golden State Warriors and Washington Wizards all offered West more money, but he’s made it clear in recent days his desire to join a contender.”

    Hmmmm. . . .

    • Interesting. Is that a diss of Steve Kerr’s coaching sans Gentry?

      • in SA the reserves and veterans get structured roles, top notch medical and training care, and preemptive rest when they need it. kerr’s methods seemed to resemble the preacher’s in some ways, expecting the players to figure things out with mix and match lineups. iguodala was very capable of it, while speights relied a lot on green to set up plays for him and yell out assignments when he got confused. lee did not thrive.

    • Whew, glad West choose another team. Guess David Lee stays after all. Hope he recovers his health.

      • They can always buy him out. This way they save whatever salary another team pays to pick him up, plus tax on that amount, right?

        Seems like a waste, but the way Lee was played last year there’s not much loss. But the Warriors don’t have reliable front court scorers or real depth at 4. Hard to believe there aren’t ways to make use of him, but we won’t see that.

        • FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

          According to Mark Stein of ESPN the Boston Celtics just acquired David Lee for Gerald Wallace. Wallace is in the last year of a deal that pays him 10.1 Million this season.

  110. warriorfaithful

    DLee has been traded to the Celtics for Gerald Wallace

    • cosmicballoon

      So much for solid “basketball” decision-making. Didn’t Lacob promise that earlier in the week?

      • warriorsablaze

        Probably should wait until all the details before judgement is made. There were mixed reports about what else may or may not be involved in the deal… also, I have a feeling Wallace may be moved again in another deal before the end of the summer.

        • if the rules necessitate another player bundled with wallace for the trade, the rules also suspend his status as a trade commodity for a period. a re-trade won’t be permitted in your time frame unless wallace is packaged solo.

          • moto, do the rules allow Wallace to be packaged with a 2nd round pick for executing a trade prior to starting camp?

          • should have been more explicit, wallace has to be packaged solo by Bos going to GS, for him to be eligible for an immediate re-trade. we have to see what/who exactly comes in for d.lee’s contract. even with the waiting period, there’s no big rush to trade wallace as far as the lux tax, because the team’s budget isn’t calculated for tax purposes for another six months or so.

  111. [details are on] Scott Roth was one of nelson’s favorite assistants who worked with the young nowitski in Dal, and other noted n.b.a. bigs like gasol. he was brought to oaktown in nelson’s final season and lived in nelson’s apartment.

    roth is probably looking for an n.b.a. job currently, but his last big man student was none other than the new NY lottery pick Kristaps Portzingis, who will have an opportunity to add to the illustrious Latvian hoops legacy largely founded by biedrins. roth and portzingis both worked for the worst team in the top Spanish league, roth unable to obtain a coaching license and forced to leave at midseason, but becoming friends with the future lottery pick.

  112. So what does the Lee trade accomplish, other than save $5m plus tax?

    What’s his health? Wallace, a 15 year vet, played 32 games for Boston last season, averaging 9 minutes. He had arthroscopic surgery on his knee and ankle in 2014.

    He averaged 4 and 2 boards pg his two seasons with the Celtics and 5 and 1 points.

    And why, Feltbot, do you think the Warriors can and will deal him?

    • Saved 30-35 mils, not 5.

    • Gave Lee a chance to revive his career.

      Gained another mid-sized wing defender to add to the mix.

      Swapped a tough-sale asset for a slightly more trade-able one, if that’s the direction the team wants to go. I like Wallace, a tough SOB, but he’s not a fit for the Ws offense. Perhaps even a worse fit than Livingston. So FB may be right about the Ws trading him again before the season, though it doesn’t have to be for financial reasons, as FB assumes. Wallace would be less useful than another backup gunner.

      Have no doubt: Lee NEEDED to be moved. He was perfectly professional about his demotion last year, but a 2nd year on the bench would have been very tough to swallow. It’s debatable whether he or his agent would have allowed it.

      • Don’t think Wallace would ever play though. You can waive his contract using stretch provision.

      • warriorsablaze

        I’m happy Lee went to a decent organization with some good young players and solid coach… and not a dumpster fire like Vivik ‘Genius’ Ranadive’s Kings.

        If healthy, he’ll get minutes and make a solid contribution like he always has…

        Doubt Wallace is much of a factor for us on the floor … just gives us more flexibility with the roster going forward.

  113. Getting Wallace at first blush
    is a down grade. Is he healthy?
    Did save some money after
    overspending on Green.
    Anyone see him getting playing

    • Frank, lacob just hired another high priced lobbyist/development consultant for his xanadu project. is that what you want to preserve his money for ?

  114. Jacob Rosen ‏@WFNYJacob 7m7 minutes ago
    With David Lee, Warriors at almost $100M in salaries. Without Lee and stretching Wallace, closer to $86M. Saves about $30-34M in taxes.

  115. I’m happy for Lee.

  116. Tribute to David Lee, vs. LBJ’s Heat:

    13-17 for 32 points, 14 boards 3 assists

  117. This is it? The still warm carcass of Gerald Wallace?
    I know “we’re” saving millions of dollars but this is disappointing. I guess Devean George wasn’t available

    I don’t entirely get DLees way of thinking. If you feel you have a certain amount left in the tank why not contribute to and be part of a potential back-to-back champ? Maybe he really was blackballed, though this just doesn’t make sense. Now he’ll play a few more minutes for a team that doesn’t have realistic title aspirations

    Watching the warriors almost beat the Clippers two years ago told me all I needed to know about Deandre Jordan. He’s a specimen but not a great center. I’m sure he’ll put up big numbers for the Mavs but certainly won’t lead them to the finals without more help.
    I wouldn’t kick him off the Dubs for eating crackers in the shower, but he’d be the 5th best player on the team at best

    • Hope springs eternal. I think David is pleased with a change, any change. I hope his core and legs will recover this off season. I think another year of David on the Warriors bench would have been disruptive.

    • cosmicballoon

      DLee is a true professional. He wants to earn his money. I’m sure it killed him sitting the bench all season when he knew he could have contributed more to this championship team. Additionally, taking a season off must have rejuvenated his legs to some degree. If he gets his cardio up and that 10-15 foot jumper back, he could be an all star in the East.

    • if you are d.lee, how much would you trust kerr to work you into the rotation sharing the court with green and/or curry. perhaps why a vet like west plays in SA for less $$ rather than the champions, because popovich spelled it out for him what they need and his role, and is trusted at his word.

      • Trust factor comes in after and if Kerr makes any false promises to Lee. It was clear that he communicated Lee very clearly about Lee’s role with the team. Lee was just not a fit especially with his outside jumper deserting him.

  118. The Warriors need a guy like Wallace to spell Green, defending Griffin, Randolph, West, TThompson, Diaw, etc, although there ought to be a less expensive alternative.

    • I was just hoping they’d get something useful for Lee. If not (and they didn’t) they should’ve kept him and not worried about his feelings. He’ll be free in a year.
      What if Andrew and Festus are hobbled? DLees expendable but we’re keeping Onions? And Mo Buckets is probably stuffing himself this very instant

      • $35M is kind of a big deal. I don’t begrudge Lacob for wanting to save that kind of money. It’s silly to spend that for a few minutes of David Lee per game.

        • If next year it’s our turn to be less than fortunate with the injuries, he could actually be worth a large chunk of that sum. Just like LeBron, Steph is a great player. And I wouldn’t want to see one of Stephs prime years squandered, like LBJs latest, because of injuries and lack of support. Lee could’ve hedged against this a bit.
          But maybe the breach was irreparable.

          I really don’t care too much about Lacobs bank account. Didn’t the Warriors make oodles this year off merchandising anyway? Some of that goes in his wallet I bet. I spent 160$ to go to one game at Oracle this yr, drink one beer and scarf down one 23$sandwich. Maybe he should overpay for something

          • Lee would never be worth big chunk of 35-45 mils.

          • Money is never an object for me when I root on the Warriors. Especially when it’s some rich guys and not mine

          • rzz,

            Like your stance that money is not the object for you in rooting for players. That goes for me too. That said, I also recognize how money would factor into decision and the cap restrictions that follow makes it a wiser decision especially when the savings are 30-34 millions. In theory you can get like 3 to 4 players of Lee’s productivity for that sum, may be younger prospects too. I see Lee as the victim of capology, no more than that.

      • Keeping Onions is mystifying to me. And MoS has got to come into camp with his weight down, and his conditioning up.

    • Wallace isn’t spelling anyone. He’s done.

    • re-signing kuzmic, taking speights’ option wasn’t exactly a low budget decision. they’re probably expected to play center backing ezeli on defense while green does the handling and passing for the position on offense. we might see mcadoo with more minutes at the four, or their prized rookie draft pick. barnes’ minutes were not that heavy last season, and it would be very simple to shift a larger portion of those to the four, with many options at the wings. in many match ups he’s just an average wing.

      • How are Kuzmic and Mo’s signings not low budget, how is that ?

        • the total of those two contracts exceeds $5 m., and as you will see when the abacus keeps clicking away at the lux tax penalties, the cost will probably be higher after the penalty. if the lacobites truly were budget conscious, both of them are liberated into free agency, with the roster filled during or after training camp with minimum salary players. until he demonstrates otherwise, kuzmic is a d league player being paid at a draft pick’s scale. last season his cost was the equivalent of such a player, but not this season when there’s a c.b.a. raise in his salary plus the potential lux tax.

          there are almost always vet free agents willing to work for the vet minimum. if they didn’t like speights enough to possibly pay tax on his contract, they’d wait to see what other veterans are unemployed and willing to work for less. barbosa re-signed for more than the minimum, but his deal is still > $1 m. under speights’ salary.

          • Speights is a productive big averaging double digits in pts and was early runner for sixth man. If not for depth, he might even have won it. His contract is cheap and trade able. Lee’s contract was really bad and no one really wanted him. So, it ended up warriors having to take Wallace in return so in essence celts got Lee for only 4-5 mils given Wallace is not even playable. Lee would have cost 45 mils to warriors and only 4 mils to celts.

      • Expensive, too, moto, in that it’s hard to imagine that Speights or Kuzmic will be with the team the season after next, thus lost as well is development time with the team that could pay off later and the Warriors will have to start afresh with someone else. Nor is it likely either will have much, if any, trade value in the event they want to make an in season adjustment.

        Maybe Speights’ stock has risen with his scoring last season, maybe he can keep it up the coming. Staying in shape will be an issue. His main value is that with his shot he helps keep Livingston on the floor without Curry, but Cleveland adjusted quickly and shut him down.

        So many limitations in the backups, most in offense and court IQ. It’s hard to see McAdoo panning out, and with Looney we’ll just have to wait and see, but at best he’s years off.

        Then of course there is das wunderkind.

  119. Trading halted on the NYSE. The CNBC Wall St shills are playing it up as a “technical glitch”. My aching ass.

    What I think happened was a sudden down-draft from DJIA -175 to -235 on heavy volume. The SEC or the Treasury called the NYSE and directed them to close it down.

    • sorry, illiterate in this stuff, what does your acronym djia represent.

      alternate hypothesis — the Chinese market has seen significant unfavorable turbulence recently, with attempts by their govt to slow trading down. slowing down the NY exchange couldn’t hurt. n.korea, minor league in comparison, hacked a major corporation after all.

    • Marc,

      If you have money in the stock market, move it out ASAP if it won’t hurt you to do so.

      The carefully unspecified “technical glitch” the NYSE admits, in all probability refers to automatic trading on firms invested heavily in the Chinese stock market, which has dropped over 30% in the last week. That is friggin’ HUGE.

      This is another Big One. It’s probably not going to be quite as devastating as the last one, but it may or may not be managed as well as the last one either.

      It is no coincidence that E. Warren has just now introduced a bill to re-start Glass-Steagall, preventing retail banks from investing in the stock market.

      Note The Hat’s record on predictions.

      Take care, friend.

      • Thanx hat. Been out of the stock market since summer of 2005. Valid thought on Chinese positions unwinding. I think a major top is near and another bear market, worse than 2007-2009, is maybe already started. And let’s hope Glass-Seagal is re-enacted.

        (Warren for President)

  120. Hope Lacob cuts Wallace and if
    willing to go over cap,-attempt to
    improve the roster.

    • “and if
      willing to go over cap,”

      What are you smoking?

      They are already WAAAY over the cap dude. Sigh.

    • In a perfect world, Ty Lawson wouldn’t have permitted a photo of him with his lips on a bong to hit social media.

      Then the Ws could have traded Lee for him, saved money on salary, and strengthened the team.

    • It is other team’s job to chase the champs now. Warriors can sit tight and assess roster requirements 3 months into season. They have that luxury.

      • I don’t think the Warriors are done. And now the cap is raised.

        • Doesn’t matter to warriors, they are still over the cap. Not sure about the situation with exceptions, but other than that only changes I can see are through vet minimums and trades. Warriors have trade assets to fill the need if they identify a need later at the time when many teams like Mavs will commit to tanking.

  121. FeltbotsFakeGirlfriend

    Jordan just changed his mind. He is no longer signing with Mavs instead is going to resign with the Clippers. That is just wacky.

  122. Tweet from AW, Yahoo Sports:

    “Suns made it very close, but second meeting w/Popovich was immense to closing deal. Aldridge pushed further w/questions, got his answers.”

    Aldridge: Will I ever have to play Center?

    Popovich: No, never, you’re a perimeter guy. We picked up West for Center, or I’ll bring Boris in.

    • Don’t think Pop will get a player who is not flexible.

      • LMA has been totally inflexible regarding the center position. On an interview he said “I’m a power forward”, when asked about playing the center position. He clearly would not discuss the matter further.

        Obviously, I don’t know what Pop might have said, and obviously Pop is satisfied with the signing.

        I’m biased, because Aldridge reminds me so much of Chris Webber.

        • “Aldridge reminds me so much of Chris Webber.”

          Yup. I suspect Pop will play “center-less” with LMA quite often. It would be not quite a deception, while moving Aldridge into defending the paint more than a “true” PF.

        • Pops will play LMA at C without calling him one. It is the reality of current NBA, every PF in the league will have to play C. Pops will start LMA at PF but after that, he will change the line up according to the game. LMA will fall in line for Pops, everyone does.

        • I suppose a double post, similar to Divac and Webber on the Kings.

  123. Ballmer is just as oily in some ways as his predecessor with the Clips. But he deserves credit as a wheedler, I suppose. I lost my money but not my greed on the market in 2000 and continued to follow the tech stocks. He collected paychex for a decade from Microsoft as new product after new product fizzled. Windows made Microsoft, not vice-versa, and Steve got to take a nice long ride and leave with sack fulls of cash. Now he owns the Clips and Deandre. He sounded like a boor as a CEO and I hate his dancing. He makes LaCob highly palatable and I feel sympathetic with Cuban

    This is actually more of an ad-hominem directed at abogados. I’m sure the lawyers are gleefully huddling up and consulting as they lick their lips over this whole Jordan affair. There’s blood in the water and this is their raison d’être. I work in a field where sums of $ are floating around unclaimed and it’s incredible how slimy they can be. It’s been profitable (and satisfying) for us because we’ve caught a couple red-handed bilking people out of their estates/assets. Lawyers are always the first to demand their (generous) piece of the pie, but often seem to need written “reminders” before they cut a check to someone else. My boss is thinking about attempting to pass the Bar himself so we don’t have to deal with so many vultures

    I don’t want to slander all lawyers. There some honest ones out there. Somewhere. I’m happy that deandre is back in LA because I want to see the Warriors take teams best shots next year

    • Apparently there is precedent for this, and it’s within the NBA rules—who has legal say here? Besides, what’s the point in going to court to get Jordan to play for the Mavs against his will? But could somebody be sued for damages? Look at what this has done to Dallas, who looked funky with Jordan anyway. And isn’t Matthews coming back off ACL surgery? How do they know he’s going to be able to play?

    • I faced Ballmer years ago in a contract negotiation. Boor doesn’t even begin to describe his style. He was crude, abusive and even (attempted) threatening. Luckily for me, I worked for ITT at the time. My company balls were bigger than his, he knew it, and we were able to work out a mutually beneficial deal.

      Ballmer is a doofus. He was Microsoft’s Blunt Instrument, not a creative thinker at all, absolutely not a professional people person manager.

      I don’t really know if Ballmer mellowed since those long ago days, I guess most people do over time. I do know that Doc does not want to meet the Ballmer I met.

      Part of me kinda-sorta wants Ballmer to step up and be the Ballsymer Beast of old. Doc has A LOT of terrible GM work to answer for. Ballmer is so NOT a nice man you can’t even see nice from where he’s coming from.

    • I don’t know Ballmer personally so my attack was unfair in that regard. His dancings atrocious, though

      I didn’t have much experience with lawyers until I started working for my brother and his best friend the Boss 3 years ago. We need legal representation because without a shark watching our back all the other sharks would rip us to shreds. It’s not the fact they want a piece of the pie that’s slimy- that’s human nature. It’s the rates they charge relative to the work they do. They know they have you by the Huevos and some of them seem to take great pleasure in this. I admit I’m biased. And I don’t like a lot of em

  124. Don’t think Mavericks have lawsuit
    Against Jrdan as he signed no contract.
    Might have lawsuit if they lost a big
    they were negotiating with until
    Jordan made a verbal commitment
    that can be proved to be a ruse
    from the get go?

    If the Warriors are over the cap
    What is the Warriors luxury tax if
    they release Wallace right now?

    • You can only stretch his contract for three years, splitting his salary to 3 mils per year. They will be over cap even with stretch.

  125. Think if we all go over to Feltbot’s place, sweet talk him, put a chair on the door, and stay with him all night we might get another post?

    • Yes! An Intervention! Count me in!

      Let’s threaten his dog, poop on his carpet, throw horse heads around the living room! Etc.!

  126. cosmicballoon

    Justin Holiday signed with the Hawks, who now have to Warriors castoffs: Baze and Holiday.

    • On one hand: Aaaargh. I’d have taken Holiday over Rush any day.

      On the other hand, if Atlanta thinks castoffs are viable NBA players, then too bad for Atlanta. Are they prepping for the regular season or the playoffs? Baze and Holiday are fine people and small-time contributors in the regular season. In the playoffs, not.

      • budenholzer had a lengthy tenure with popovich, learning how to develop undervalued perimeter players like and p.mills, then d.carroll when he was the boss coach. bazemore appeared to take the next step when korver and sefalosha’s injuries knocked them out. their defense might even improve if some other younger projects come through, like the 7’3 tavares (cape verdes, 7’9 arm span).

        • Budenholzer is collecting Wings — Stefolosa, Jenkins, Hardaway, Bazemore, Korver, Holiday, Milsap (Milsap starts at the 3?).

          And he collected a couple good centers too — Splitter and Tavares (Hartford starts at the 4?).

  127. Maui Nellie

    Vlade Divac talks Karl, Cousins, and the coming season for the Kings on The Jim Rome Show.

  128. Maui Nellie

    The TK Show podcast (Kawakami interviews Nelli just before the playoffs started)

  129. May fave bball quote of the day, from Robert Horry:

    “I actually have five NBA titles thanks to the Lakers. Three from playing with the team, and two from them showing me the door.”

  130. 30 points for Seth Curry in NOP summer league win tonight. Think Gentry will figure out something to do with him?

    • From NO Times Picayune:

      Though it’s only one game, combo guard Seth Curry appears comfortable in Alvin Gentry’s up-tempo offense.

      Pushing at an accelerated pace, Curry was able to put up quick shots and he showed ability to penetrate the lane and get to the free-throw line in Friday’s opening game of the Samsung NBA Summer League at UNLV.

      Pelicans lead assistant Darren Erman, who is the head coach of the summer league team, paired Curry in the starting backcourt with Larry Drew II and they turned the game into an excelerated up-tempo race. The Pelicans had more sprinters than the Bucks.

      ”I think Seth and Larry are NBA players, they just need the right opportunity,” Erman said. “I’m glad they had a great game. Seth made some good shots and good decisions. If you play fast and the defense is not set, you can get some early 3s. It’s not just taking a lot of 3s, it is playing fast and take the best shot we get.”

      I’m being sentimental, of course. I like Currys. But when you see all the guards who have come and gone with the Warriors, it seems to me they’d experiment with one who might fit in with their up tempo system. Think we’ll ever see Aaron Craft on the floor?

  131. GooseLosGatos

    I was watching Wimbledon today and started to wonder the % of NBA players who use some form of PEDS. The reason I say this is that I know a few folks involved in the ATP and from all accounts ‘doping’ is prevalent on tour – FB has even opined on this site that Jordan used steroids during the last Bulls Championship Run. However, out of site out of mind…..

    Keep in mind PEDS and bulk are not synonymous – EPO type drugs will not make you bigger but will tremendously increase stamina in the fourth quarter & speed recovery time. It’s well known (outside of 99% of the public that nearly all position players in the NFL are using a multitude of PEDS).

    Curious as to your thoughts on PEDS in the NBA…. I suspect it’s way way way more prevalent than we know and or want to believe..

    • the reason there’s talk about drug use on the atp, they have regular testing and the players get suspended. their union does not have the clout that the n.b.a. players’ union does (or m.l.b. players for that matter), so we’re not likely to see the suspensions in hoops that we do in the tennis tour. the team sport mentality is quite a bit different, too, because an individual getting an edge through chemistry helps an entire organization succeed and make $$ ; as you know there’s only $$ in tennis if you win 1 on 1 matches (less $$ in doubles, but even so just 2 vs 2) so the players have more at stake over enforcement.

      hingis left the tour in part due to drug violations, but she is through to two doubles finals this Wimbledon.

    • I suspect that most of the drug mis-use in the NBA is from plain old bad medicine, in an attempt by team doctors to keep players on the court at all costs.

      Among others in the NBA, Grant Hill has gone public on his mistreatment by team doctors, which not only cost him productive playing years, but almost killed him. In football, I recommend Slow Getting Up by Nate Jackson. It’s a six-year journal of bad medicine – misdiagnosis, cheap-and-quick mistreatment, and massive amounts of painkillers and anti-inflammatories.

      Of course you’re right GLG, steroids and HGH are rampant in the NFL. It’s actually difficult for many players to keep their size UP to competitive playing weight, and if you track player weights from the 60s to now, it’s obvious that there’s some seriously bad stuff going on.

      But PED use is always a partnership between players, teams, and a sport’s governing body. You can’t expect Type A competitors – Professionals! – to NOT use every edge available, not voluntarily. A serious drug testing program, as in UCI and Olympic sports, is the only preventative. And no US major league sport has a serious drug testing program. You’d have to be a complete screwup to get caught. Nowadays the NBA mostly catches just recreational drug users. Screwups.

      In bike racing, they do year-round random drug tests. All pro bike racers are required to inform the drug testers of their whereabouts at all times. And now they even keep “biological profiles” of racers, so they can detect changes in a racer’s biology even if they can’t identify the drugs used.

      There’s very little drug use in the pro peloton now because it’s impossible to explain away unnatural changes to a racer’s biology. Race speeds have even dropped! FWIW, the biological profiling is how they brought down Lance, the most accomplished druggie in the history of sport.

      I’d like to see the NBA (NFL, MLB) protect its athletes health better, by instituting honestly effective drug testing. But I’m not holding my breath. There’s too much money in Bigger, Faster, Stronger, etc., and no cash at all in safety.

  132. Let me guess Felt, you’re in a group putting together a new hedge fund.

  133. Luke Walton may replace Gentry, which I assume is why he’s coaching summer league.


    Nothing of substance. Vague. Not at all sure Pop and Duncan can get LMA line & grade.

  135. GooseLosGatos

    Watched the Knicks first Summer League game today.

    That Kristaps kid is going to be special…..

    Had a minutes restriction due to a hip tightness but most skilled & athletic 7′ footer (and growing) I’ve ever seen.

    Played hard, smart and had a high energy level. By all accounts has a superior work ethic & loves the game unlike most Big Men.

    Ain’t gonna be no Darko or Bargnarni. In a couple years this kid could be a ‘monster’.

    • ‘most Big Men’, you might be relying on the post-70s woeyr bigs for a sample, like carroll, webber, washburn, dampier. but for any of those you could consider instead russell, chamberlain, thurmond, c.lee, m.malone, robinson, duncan, olajuwon, sarbonis

    • Sounds like an Anglo KG. I’m looking forward to seeing him when the Knicks try their luck with the Dubs this year

      Anthony Randolph was the summer league MVP his second season. He also impressed with his skills, size, and athleticism…

      I remember a certain Warrior coach raving about Marco Bellineli’s future after his flashy July debut.

      As rgg pointed out, Seth Curry just dropped an impressive 30 points. I don’t think the Warriors would’ve let him walk if he was actually Steph lite. But all this stuff seems to work itself out come the regular season

      • GooseLosGatos

        The key for Porzingis will be getting stronger.

        He fights hard for position but often either can’t get deep enough inside on offense or blocked out on rebounds that if he were stronger he’d get.

        However, showed a lot of heart in fighting through screens and did not shy away from contact one bit. Had a strong defensive impact as well and showed good instincts – not mechanical.

        Super skilled for 19 – as skilled as any big man I’ve seen at his age and as I said before is a ‘gym rat’ and a good kid from a nice family (both his parents and his brother played professional BB).

        He won’t have a standout rookie season due to the strength issue but give him a couple of years and barring injury – LOOKOUT!!!!!

  136. Seth Curry legit. Tweaked his shooting
    form and now more in line with his brother.

    • Seth’s problem is seeing the rim while he’s guarded by guys like Klay and Shump. He’s no Steph in creating his own shot (who is) and the sides of the highways are littered with the bodies of great-shooting 6’2″ guards who don’t do anything particularily well except nail shots when defended by D leaguers.

      A few years back the Warriors drafted a 7ft Euro similar to Onions, and his name just popped into my head- Kosta Perovic. Huge, balky, and lacking NBA skills

      • Bigs especially can have their way in summer and d league (see Randoph, A, and Kuzmic). And shooters will get their shots. Gentry, however, seems to be experimenting seriously with Seth. Look at the YouTube @140. He is scoring in many different ways, in part to compensate for his size and athleticism, like his brother. And like his brother, he is skilled and determined enough to improve.

        It’s a matter of which experiment you want to perform, just in case. The Warriors keep trying guards with limited shooting, so-so playmaking abilities, and, really, in the NBA, limited ability to drive, who aren’t great defenders, though all that was their billing, none of whom can stay on the court long, none of whom have panned out. Livingston can’t stay on the floor more than a few minutes without Curry and in effect has become a 2 guard.

        Seth can be a combo guard with playmaking abilities. Put him on the floor with other playmakers—Green, Thompson, Iguodala, who should help compensate for Seth’s defensive weaknesses. And with the outside threat from Seth and the others, they should be able to spread the court and open up shots or the lane for everyone. It would also be a unit who could run and push the tempo.

        • From

          From the moment Alvin Gentry was named new head coach of the New Orleans Pelicans, it was easy to begin daydreaming about the impact Gentry’s turbo-charged system may have on Anthony Davis. . . . But three months before Davis will next hit the hardwood in a Pelicans uniform, Gentry’s aggressive philosophy also seems to be a hit with a group of players who possess much smaller national profiles than the two-time All-Star.

          “I think we’ve played well,” said Curry, younger brother of Stephen Curry, the NBA’s reigning MVP. “For the most part, we’re aggressive defensively, getting out on the break. Scoring easily, in transition ways, is how Coach Gentry wants us to play. Get the tempo fast.”

          “Seth has been exactly what I thought he could be, a scorer in this league,” Gentry echoed. “I think to me the most pleasant thing he’s done is that defensively he’s been really engaged and done a good job there. I don’t think he shot the ball exceptionally well (Saturday), but he found a way to score 25 points. So to me that was really, really encouraging.”

  137. JMM is the only NBA ready guy on the summer league squad, and he’s marginal at best.

    The Warriors ought to give up on Kuzmic.

    Seems like to me something wrong with Looney. He don’t get up in the air well and looks like to me he’s favoring one side, kind of a hitch in the way he moves.

    My guess is he’s still injured.

  138. My favorite summer league quote, from Jahlil Okafor:

    When asked how his role might change in the wake of the Embiid [injury] news, Okafor was quick to note that it doesn’t. “My role is to dominate,” he said.

    I love this kid already.

  139. Congrats to Steph on his new daughter!

    Now let’s start working on that son.

  140. razmark: you don’t have a clue
    regarding Seth Curry. If you
    watch him shoot you’ll
    see he has a great vertical plus
    excellent form a quick release
    although as quick as his brother.,
    Plus he appears taller than his
    brother. D-league, NBA, no
    Problem if you can shoot. Ask
    Anthony Morrow.

    • why do you think warriors let Seth Curry walk ? And, why was he not drafted and not signed by any other team.

  141. Given the Warriors the benefit of
    the doubt, I suspect that Seth did
    not have his current shooting
    form and the Warrioes staff did not
    know how to tweak it to what he
    now does on jump shot. Left foot
    back, right foot forward, he
    dips before going into jump shot,
    legs bent, eyes hoop when ball at
    waist, body turned left, right shoulder
    forward, right hand at right eye, and
    release of ball just before he reaches
    pinacle of jump shot, beautiful
    follow thru. I repeat, flawless. If
    he has step back like his brother
    And create separation when necessary,
    and keeps his balance, he’ll be a compete
    and deadly jump shooter who
    can’t be defended.

    • Sounds like a drunken ‘Twister’ game

      I went back to #140 and watched the hilites. Sure, seth looks good. But keep it in context.

      Remember how hard it was for Steph to get off shots come the playoffs, when the intensity was ratcheted up? All of a sudden, Seth’s new form has put him on a level with his brother, the league MVP? Sorry but I’m skeptical Frank.

    • I agree with Gentry that Seth’s a scorer.
      Moreover, with the advent of the
      step-back and defenses rarely guarding
      the three point line and players often
      left wide open and getting open
      off the dribble, creating separation is not
      that difficult. If a team wants to double
      team a perimeter player they create other
      problems for their defense..

  142. I’m teaching that form to high
    school now. Fully expect most
    kids who use such form to
    shoot close to 50 percent on three’s
    in the not to distant future.

    • You’re like a modern day Dr Frankenstein, creating a new race of pimply-faces assassins

  143. En attendant Feltbot. . .

  144. Rzzmark: we’re talking basketball. and Seth Curry. Try to focus.

    • ESPN has Stephen Curry listed at 6’3″, and Seth at 6’2″.

      The knock on Seth has been size and speed, or lack thereof. You’ve got to play D half the time, after all. No one wants another Jimmer Fredette.

      Oh wait. NO has Jimmer. He got zero minutes in the playoffs, so I forgot.

    • Seth looks taller.

  145. Actually you’re right rzzmark. As
    One of the kids is such a good
    shooter the press refers to him
    as the “quiet assassin.” Made third
    team all-state as a junior. And he’s
    free of pimples. .

  146. I work with great athletes. One
    now ranked 76th in USA. But
    think what you want. So negative.

  147. Article, I found familiar.

    “While critics contend that the two-time All-Star could get overwhelmed by bigger, stronger opponents inside, Bird believes the two-time all-NBA defensive player will hold up just fine and will actually be a more productive player.

    “I weighed 225 pounds and I’m still walking around,” Bird said. “I think it [the size factor] is overrated.””

    • Interesting. George didn’t seem too warm to the idea. Maybe George lost a step after surgery.

      Bird deploying Nellie ball.

      • Bird going small after he lost West, that is what he is saying.

        • The Pacers lost West AND Hibbert AND Scola, and brought on Monta. Think they want to step up the pace a little?

          • affirmative :-)

            They let Hibbert and Scola go but they were shocked that West left.

          • I don’t know about that. I don’t think Indy’s management was shocked by West’s departure, nor terribly disappointed.

            Bird is a brilliant bball mind.

            West is a huge, powerful – and awfully slow – ballplayer who’s past his prime. I’d guess he got Larry’s blessing to leave.

            It’s time for Indy to re-tool. I doubt a Monta-centric team is the ulitmate goal, but he’s a step in the direction the team is heading. Indy won’t look at all the same next year.

            Re SA and their suddenly huge lineup, I’m sure Pop has a few wrinkles but he hasn’t exactly abandoned a fast-paced offensive attack. They’ll still be among the league’s worst in offensive rebounds, by design. They’ll still be Tony Parker-centric. They’ll still need Manu to be Manu, to be able to have any impact on the league. They’re in transition too, just like Indy.

        • I like Bird’s idea of playing George some at the 4. George is OK with it, but not for 30 min/game, according to the article. And did the injury affect George’s ability to defend wings?

  148. (141) appendix, note — martina hingis resuming a career after interruptions from a drug suspension, retirement, and induction into her sport’s international hall of fame, won two more grand slam doubles titles last weekend at ‘the championships’. in mixed doubles her partner is leander paes, the best and smartest volleyer in doubles since mcenroe. they are two throwbacks and the last of the old school players at the very top, relying on smarts, control, position, placement and not power.

    • Perhaps the bigger story is the partner in women’s double for Hingis is the first ever woman to win women’s doubles grand slam championship from India, Sania Mirza.

      About best volleyer, the one I ever saw was also from India, Ramesh Krishnan, most he could make were 4th round of grand slams but was fun to watch. Apparently, his father was even better but never got to watch. I have watched Tennis in 80s until I got bored with the domination one player dominating the the tournaments. My favorite tennis player to watch was Boris Becker though I also loved watching McEnroe and Agassi.

      • the father Ramanathan was an extraordinary touch player. the competition and playing surfaces were considerably different in their respective eras, as the son played in the open era of professionalism with more events on hard, paved surfaces. the one major left on grass made a radical change in turf after the son’s career, so even there the surface plays more uniformly and similar to hard courts than it did for most of its history. for the players like the father who didn’t win one of the grand slams, there were only unofficial ‘amateur’ rankings (a number of the best players were barred from the majors because they openly played for prize $$), and he was considered a top ten.

        as you know the Davis cup was still considered a fifth major in the son’s time. the top team facing India during the father’s career was Australia, coached by the legendary harry hopkins (mcenroe’s principal schoolboy mentor because hopkins had by that time established an academy in NY), and ramanathan’s resume includes memorable matches vs. laver before he turned pro, both at Wimbledon and in Davis cup matches. the top national team in the son’s era was the Swedish squad that included wilander, edberg, nystrom.

        the (socially) controversial career of Sania Mirza has been before us for some time ; she attained career high singles rankings in the 30s (roughly comparable to ramesh krishnan’s highest) back in ’05 and ’07. for media interviews she used to wear a t shirt that said ‘well behaved women rarely make history’. by some Muslim conventions she dresses improperly, and she married a Pakistani. she’s no rebel though in one important aspect — her father encouraged her tennis as her coach since early childhood, when they first played on a court formed from compressed cow dung. he also provided her an elite, modern schooling. and as tragically backward India is in many social indices, as a major democracy they’re ahead of the u.s. in one thing. they’ve had a woman head of state.

  149. Sources told that USAB has extended invitations to Chicago’s Jimmy Butler, Memphis ‘ Mike Conley, Golden State’s Draymond Green and Harrison Barnes, Orlando’s Tobias Harris and Victor Oladipo and Utah’s Trey Burke to its Aug. 11-13 camp on the campus of UNLV.

    • Cool.

      I wonder how long it will take Draymond to take control of the team.

      • The selection means, not just warriors fans but NBA circles also seeing Green and Barnes as promising prospects.

        Curious to see how Barnes extension will pan out. Too much of crazy money handed over so far, like Reggie Jackson getting 80 mils, Tobias Harris getting 70 mils, just crazy.

        • “…NBA circles also seeing Green and Barnes as promising NBA prospects”.

          I’m guessing the “NBA circles” see Green as quite a more promising prospect than Barnes. Heck, I would even venture to say Green is beyond the prospect stage.

          And if Barnes is so highly regarded in the NBA, that’s great, he can bring in a lot more in trade.

          • What is wrong with you ? Of course Green is better prospect, runner up for DPOY. I haven’t said otherwise.

          • one of our constituents/contributors here seems to feel d’mond was overpaid, and he likes to mention green’s ordinary looking shooting stats. as iguodala likes to remind his son, the scorers usually get paid more than defenders. a number of teams would probably consider green at least as valuable as, whose new contract was reported to be nearly $30 m. greater than green’s over the same five years, with an average annual salary around 22 m. and it’s very likely iguodala will be proven right, if love stays healthy and the fans and pundits point to his expected 20+ pts. per game with his normal boards as verification of his value.

            the combined averages green put up in the post season in the non scoring categories, i.e., assists, boards, steals, blocked shots, have only been posted by one other player in playoff history, bird.

          • Green is well past the prospect stage. Barnes isn’t, he’s still very much a prospect.

          • cosmicballoon

            Great point, Moto, about Love and Green’s contracts.

            Didn’t LeBron just put up numbers like Greens in this postseason?

          • cosmicballoon, l-b-j surpassed d’mond in postseason boards and assists. green however was the only guy in the top six assist-wise who wasn’t his team’s primary ball handler. the blocked shots and steals put green into the bird comparison, and watching him is essential to appreciating it, because he rarely compromises his primary defensive assignment while impeding the opponents all over the floor.

          • cosmicballoon

            Lebron’s 2015 playoffs: 1.1 blocks, 1.7 stls.
            Green’s 2015 playoffs: 1.2 blocks, 1.8 stls.

            Virtually the same. I’d put LeBron in the same category.

  150. moto,

    Green deserves every penny he got, he was 2 nd best player whole season including playoffs for championship team.


    You know, you can like Green without hating on Barnes. Green and Barnes are prospects for national team. National team invitees consists of current all stars and the young players who are on rise and with good character. Barnes certainly not invited because of an interview. If you want to trade him, that is your opinion as you must think warriors won’t win championship with him.

    • Yes, I want to see Barnes traded if he is over valued. I don’t think Green is over valued. I think Green’s contract is probably at market value, though the valuations are very high, perhaps bubble high.

      Let’s see what Barnes can command in the market place, then we’ll know better.

      What salary do you think Barnes is worth harry? I think he’s average at best. I don’t cell that assessment hating.

      • I care much for what he is worth in the market, a player’s value has very little to do with his salary going by what he is getting.

        Don’t get overvalue part ? No one cried foul when he didn’t get selected for all star. He is an up coming player in rookie contract who helped his team win championship. Well, it is clear that USAB thinks so. What he will become, nobody knows but I don’t mind the current version of Barnes as role player. For god sake, we won a championship and he played a big role. You can’t possibly have all stars in every position, no team ever had.

        He was awful in his sophomore year and bounced back last year, take the blinders off to see that. He may or may not be a warrior beyond this year but he will help which ever team he will be on. If he leaves, will leave a big hole as he is complimenting Green SF/PF and giving team many options to go with different line ups, Green at PF, Green at C, Iguodala at PF etc..

        Gosh, mere mention of Barnes gets some people going here.

        • Barnes performed what the Warriors wanted of him.

          This try-out invitation will increase his market value.

          I agree with you. Look at what Jackson got. Amazing.

  151. this was the third consecutive summer that rivers hoped to find reinforcements at the wings and replace barnes as a starter. barnes is now gone, with stephenson, pierce, j.smith coming in, a.rivers getting a scholarship. pierce and smith likely to see plenty of minutes at the 4., who carried Ind when healthy, expressed doubts he’d play thirty minutes per game at the 4, and bird made a typically prickly retort. they sure know how to make their players feel wanted in Ind, not a particularly attractive place overall for most n.b.a. players.

    Ind bears some similarities to other n.b.a. outposts that need to be successful both to attract players and remain economically competitive in the bidding wars for premium players. to different degrees, Mil, Por, Sac, UT, Minn have similar handicaps, and was probably a factor in Minn giving garnett an ambassador-like status. OK avoided that category from drafting durant(while in Sea), westbrook, and harden. d.cousins probably isn’t glancing at the exits as much if his home dates were in LA, a big eastern city, the southeast or southwest.